I would like to hear from folks using Publisher for their websites,
especially commercial websites who are dissatisfied.  I am in contact
with a law firm pursuing  a class action lawsuit  over
misrepresentations concerning the use of Publisher for generating
html.

Thanks

Syd H. Levine
analog@logwell.com

What is the basis of your complaint? Lack of imagination?


--
Don
--------
Vancouver, USA - One of the great cities in one of the 45+ countries in the
Americas!


<analog@logwell.com> wrote in message
news:19bkb0t1iee2rr365gk3h7ksbqcfd94d86@4ax.com...
> I would like to hear from folks using Publisher for their websites,
> especially commercial websites who are dissatisfied.  I am in contact
> with a law firm pursuing  a class action lawsuit  over
> misrepresentations concerning the use of Publisher for generating
> html.
>
> Thanks
>
> Syd H. Levine
> analog@logwell.com

Yeah, that's it.

Actually, I have coaxed Publisher into doing lots of stuff.  But in
the end, it is fundamentally unfit for a purpose it is advertised to
handle.  The newer versions produce html that is so bloated as to be
impractical in the real world for anything but a very small website.

Worse yet is persistent representations that it can do web sites well.
Publisher 2002 even included a claim that html is now a "native
language", an outright lie.  It cannot even handle the html generated
by its predecessor program.  Nor can it truly handle the .pub files
produced in Publisher 2000.

The above is just the tip of the iceberg with respect to problems with
Publisher as a web design program.  I fuly expect to be flamed in a
group of Publisher webpage users (of which I am one), but in tuth the
best advice to anyone trying to use Publisher as a website tool is GET
OUT NOW before it winds up costing you a tremendous amount of time
when you finally have to graduate to another program!



On Sun, 30 May 2004 13:41:12 -0700, "Don Schmidt" <Retired
Engineer@PNB.usa> wrote:

>What is the basis of your complaint? Lack of imagination?

I'm ready to get out!  I'll go to MS Frontpage, (unless someone can give me 
advice on a "better" program) and use publisher for desktop publishing, regr
etfully I don't have any money now and so I'm stuck.  To bad the only person
 that can save us is David
Bartosik, (how do you get any work done saving the world from Publisher's ma
ddness?)  Dave, Publisher is incredibly easy to use but but is unforgiving t
o those of us that have to earn a living instead of trying to solve all the 
problems that MS codes into
their programs, so "lack of imagination" isn't always the issue.  Some compa
sion for us lesser beings, please.

In news:2CBE2947-555E-484D-9E49-3D5A501FFE9A@microsoft.com,
damzish <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> posted:
> I'm ready to get out!  I'll go to MS Frontpage, (unless someone can
> give me advice on a "better" program) and use publisher for desktop
> publishing, regretfully I don't have any money now and so I'm stuck.
> To bad the only person that can save us is David Bartosik, (how do
> you get any work done saving the world from Publisher's maddness?)
> Dave, Publisher is incredibly easy to use but but is unforgiving to
> those of us that have to earn a living instead of trying to solve all
> the problems that MS codes into their programs, so "lack of
> imagination" isn't always the issue.  Some compasion for us lesser
> beings, please.

I recommend you run (not walk) to FrontPage for your web design. Publisher
is perfectly capable of producing fine websites (1-3 page little sites), but
learn FrontPage so you have room to grow.
--
Brian Kvalheim
Microsoft Publisher MVP
http://www.publishermvps.com

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
confers no rights.

Show me where M$ admits that anywhere.  The retail box still suggests
that Publisher will do it all for a small business.  Publisher is not
fit for even a small website, if your standard of fitness is the
generation of even reasonably standard html.
>
>I recommend you run (not walk) to FrontPage for your web design. Publisher
>is perfectly capable of producing fine websites (1-3 page little sites), bu
t
>learn FrontPage so you have room to grow.

In news:ncrmb0dbgua9of0gfu61sbpqoahrtbi0t4@4ax.com,
analog@logwell.com <analog@logwell.com> posted:
> Show me where M$ admits that anywhere.  The retail box still suggests
> that Publisher will do it all for a small business.  Publisher is not
> fit for even a small website, if your standard of fitness is the
> generation of even reasonably standard html. 

MS sells FrontPage along side Publisher in their Office Suite :-). And, yes,
Publisher can (has..and continues to do so) "do it all" for a small
business.
--
Brian Kvalheim
Microsoft Publisher MVP
http://www.publishermvps.com

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
confers no rights.

That is a bald faced lie.  A small business relying on Publisher to do
it all will soon wind up wasting countless hours fixing the problems
created.  That is the essence of my gripe.  Do you imagine a small
business will have a one or two page website?  Check the IRS
definition of small business before you come back with some silly
retort.

On Mon, 31 May 2004 18:57:47 -0500, "Brian Kvalheim - [MS MVP]"
<publisher@mvps.org> wrote:

>In news:ncrmb0dbgua9of0gfu61sbpqoahrtbi0t4@4ax.com,
>analog@logwell.com <analog@logwell.com> posted: 
>
>MS sells FrontPage along side Publisher in their Office Suite :-). And, yes
,
>Publisher can (has..and continues to do so) "do it all" for a small
>business.

I wouyldnt say it "does it all". it doesnt even have built in frames, and ma
ny other things that are uselful and visually appealing to websites. so then
 soemone says to code it in .. well I thought you could do it all on a WYSWY
G program? some it can do..
"ALL" def not!

I hate frames.  By "does it all", I only mean that I expected to be
able to do a reasonable website.  Problem is, subsequent versions of
Publisher cannot do even that.  Users are effectively orphaned in
Publisher 2000.  That may be passable for the moment, but experience
shows that M$ will eventually abandon it.  The present service pack is
likely the last, and there are unresolved bugs past service packs
introduced, among other problems.

On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 02:31:09 -0700, "shannon"
<anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>I wouyldnt say it "does it all". it doesnt even have built in frames, and many othe
r things that are uselful and visually appealing to websites. so then soemone says t
o code it in .. well I thought you could do it all on a WYSWYG program? some it can 
do.
. "ALL" def not!