I designed my site with your help, (www.stevegibons.com) and now I'm
working on a second site for an artist friend of mine. All criticism
appreciated.

http://www.jovansart.com

thanks,

steve

Steve Gibons wrote:
> I designed my site with your help, (www.stevegibons.com) and now I'm
> working on a second site for an artist friend of mine. All criticism
> appreciated.
>
> http://www.jovansart.com

Who will sit through the whole slide show?  Why don't you give
the visitor thumbnail/enlargement pairs to click through.  That way
viewers can choose what they want to see instead of being presented
things in the  order _you_ want them to see the images. Less waiting
will be required, and people without javascript won't be stuck with
only one image.

Upkeep will be easier if you get rid of all the spans
(spanitis) and put classes or ids in a separate style sheet.
If you decide you just have to keep all that javascript, that
should be shoved out to a separate file as well.  The reason for
all this is that once you get past this need to do everything
on a single page, all of the pages will be able to access the
common style and js files, making upkeep much easier.
--
mbstevens
http://www.mbstevens.com/howtothumb/

mbstevens  wrote:
> Steve Gibons wrote: 
>
> Who will sit through the whole slide show?  Why don't you give
> the visitor thumbnail/enlargement pairs to click through.

There're a couple of text links at the top of the page to do that.
Evidentally that's not clear.

> Upkeep will be easier if you get rid of all the spans
> (spanitis) and put classes or ids in a separate style sheet.

Of course I'll do that.

I guess a server-side script would be the thing, eh?

steve

Steve Gibons wrote:
> mbstevens  wrote:
> 
>
>
> There're a couple of text links at the top of the page to do that.
> Evidentally that's not clear.

Good, you do have a thumbnail gallery.  I didn't see those at all.
Maybe you should get the links out of a centered paragraph and make
them contrast with the background more.   Saying "click" is usually
a bad idea.  The text in the links should be enough.

> 
>
>
> Of course I'll do that.
>
> I guess a server-side script would be the thing, eh?

To do what?  I'm not sure what you're asking here.

mbstevens wrote:
> Steve Gibons wrote: 
[...]>>> Upkeep will be easier if you get rid of all the spans 
>
> To do what?  I'm not sure what you're asking here.

To do the slide show without javascript.

There are some potential HTML issues in the page that you might want to
fix/address:
[url]http://online.htmlvalidator.com/php/onlinevallite.php?url=www.stevegibons.com[/url
]

For example, there's no "body" tag. It's a good idea to use one even though
it may not technically be required.

--
Albert Wiersch


"Steve Gibons" <ChicagoZouave@XXXXXXXXXX> wrote in message
news:0BBSf.5502$Bj7.4796@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>I designed my site with your help, (www.stevegibons.com) and now I'm
>working on a second site for an artist friend of mine. All criticism
>appreciated.
>
> http://www.jovansart.com
>
> thanks,
>
> steve

Steve Gibons wrote:

> To do the slide show without javascript.

[url]http://cgi.resourceindex.com/Programs_and_Scripts/Perl/Image_Display/Slide_Shows/[
/url]
...and there is a similar site for PHP.

...however, I don't really object to using javascript to do it so
long as you have a clear way to get to the thumbnail pages you
already have written.  I would make the links more visible.
Are you sure the slide show _actually_ adds anything to the site?

Steve Gibons wrote:

> I designed my site with your help, (www.stevegibons.com) and now I'm
> working on a second site for an artist friend of mine. All criticism
> appreciated.
>
> http://www.jovansart.com
>
> thanks,
>
> steve

Steve,

Here goes...

Again I like it.  You do have artistic talent.  There are some small
technical issues that you may want to address.

1. The initial font size is somewhat small, so I enlarged it and text
started to flow all over the place.  Your title block at the top appears to
be a set size.  As the font grows, the text flows onto the picture and the
about the artist sections.

2. The 2005 works and 2004 and earlier works links could use a little more
contrast to make them easier to see.  The light grey makes them stand out -
initially as a couple of holes in the black text.  Upon looking at the
holes, then I saw the links.

3. I like the slide show.  Do the paintings have names?  If so, can they be
inserted as a caption along with a title for the art.  That could make it
more accessible for visually impaired viewers.

4. Server timed out when I tried to view 2005 gallery.  You might need to
get a host with a little more oomph.

5. 2004 gallery - Nice layout, although I don't normally like frames.  What
about a background behind the artwork on the right?  Pick a colour that
shows off the are like any good frame does.  It should be fairly easy to
have a fancier frame as well, not just a grey, green, or white background.

6. 2005 Gallery worked this time.  2004 was a nicer layout, even with the
frames.  When clicking on a thumbnail it leads to a plain white page with
the artwork onthe left side of the screen.  This could use a bunch more
artistic thought.

7.  Back to the front.   Very few people need to be told to click on a link.
Bringing the two galleries out into a 'menu' might make these options a
little easier to find and use.

8. Consider replacing some of the spans with headers <h1> and other
appropriate tags.  The tags not only specify an alternate visual appearance
for portions of the content, but they are also used be aural browsers to
change the emphasis when reading.  They can also be used for indexing and
related purposes - if they are used.

That is about it for now.

Carolyn
--
Carolyn Marenger

In news:0BBSf.5502$Bj7.4796@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net,
Steve Gibons had this to say:

My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:

> I designed my site with your help, (www.stevegibons.com) and now I'm
> working on a second site for an artist friend of mine. All criticism
> appreciated.
>
> http://www.jovansart.com
>
> thanks,
>
> steve

Again, I like it. Depending on your hosting company you may well have an
option to install one of several image galleries with just a couple of
clicks and then customize them as much as you'd like to build the entire
site based on that. Coupled with one of the (also potentially click>install
scripts) cart processing tools they could even sell prints online fairly
simply. If your control panel has Fantastico (or something similar) then you
can probably find all sorts of fun things to do in there.

For an artistic site, assuming work is still being created, then a
newsletter might also be interesting. Maybe keeping them in touch with their
potential fans and/or clients.

The use of JavaScript to code the slideshow is okay and the images loaded
quick enough for my taste. Maybe an option to stop the slideshow? Maybe even
an option to click on the images in the slideshow if wanted to see them
larger.

The jump in colors/style at the guestbook is astonishing and hurts my eyes.
I went ahead and tested the script though... Erf... It really hurt my
eyeballs. There is no link to the home page at the guestbook either. Back
and URL trimming works just fine but people seem (for the most part) more
inclined to use the mouse.

There's no evidence of price for prints, lithographs, etc...

Going to the earlier works page we again have an eyeball ruining experience.
The layout there isn't consistent with the layout for the 2005 works.
Consistency is, to me at any rate, a good thing meaning that when I go to
another section that's containing the same type of content I expect to be
able to navigate it in the same manner as all the other sections that
contain that same style of content. I'm pretty sure there's no standard
defining that but it's just what I personally like to see.

All-in-all it's fairly nice from my views though I can't really be
considered an expert at such things.

Galen
--
http://www.whathostingshould.be - We are what hosting SHOULD be.

Steve Gibons wrote:
> I designed my site with your help, (www.stevegibons.com) and now I'm
> working on a second site for an artist friend of mine. All criticism
> appreciated.
>
> http://www.jovansart.com
>
Does not validate because of character set conflicts. It helps to add
something like this to the <head> section:
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
Change "charset" to suit.

I personally do not like blinky things. So I would have preferred a link
to a slide show rather than needing to click on something to stop it.
"Click here". <sigh>

The text contrast is rather low. The background is too dark.
The text almost completely disappears on mouseover.
The body text size is set to 80% of my preference. If you want to view
smaller text, set it smaller on *your* display, not mine.
The .banner1 is set to a fixed size. When I enlarge the font size so it
is comfortable to me, the text in the banner flows into the images and
text below it. Use ems to set the height.
Fixed width design.
Unnecessary use of absolute positioning.
There are a few places where you recreate HTML markup: the <hx>
elements. In the header "" should be <h1>, not
'<div class="banner2"><p class=center><span style="font-size: 201%;">'.
The same applies to "About the Artist": <h2> is appropriate.

2005 gallery:
The visual style of the gallery is not the same as the Home page.
There are ways to layout a gallery without tables. They have the
advantage that the rows wrap to fit the size of the viewport.

2004 gallery:
The "Return to Jovans..." link opens a new window. Why?


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