I update a newspaper every month which is created in quark. (I'm an
adobe indesign person myself) When I cut and paste the text from quark I
have to first paste it into something like word. If I copy and paste
directly from quark to DW I get all these crazy code bits and can't
save. I get a message from DW 92004mx that states "the document's
current encoding can not correctly save all of the characters within the
document.l You may want to change to UTF-8 or an encoding that supports
the special characters in this document.

so I figured out the word route out of necessity, but then I pick up
crappy word extra code, <br>'s at the end of every line and so on, which
I have to go through and take out by hand.

Is there an easy way to import quark docs?  I'm sure it takes me at
least four hours more than it needs to each month.

thanks for any answers

L

> so I figured out the word route out of necessity, but then I pick up
> crappy word extra code, <br>'s at the end of every line and so on, which I
> have to go through and take out by hand.
>
> Is there an easy way to import quark docs?  I'm sure it takes me at least
> four hours more than it needs to each month.

For starters, don't paste into word...paste in to wordpad or textedit.

Secondly, you (or your newspaper) should not be authoring directly in
QuarkXPress. DTP apps like that should be 'end of line' formatting
stops...not content sources.

Ideally, you'd be creating content in a clean, semantic, style-free manner
then sending a copy of that to the DTP app and another copy to the web app.

In a pinch, get the authors to author their content in MS Word. Teach them
how to use proper word styles. Then use DW on the PC or HTMLTidy to strip
out all the bad MS Word HTML.

-Darrel

that's what I have been doing, but it still gives me <br>s at the end of
every line, even when there is no line break needed.

I'd love to skip the word part altogether, but am stuck with it if need
be.

Since you're an ACE adobe community expert, do you know when indesign
and DW will work together?


Murray *ACE* wrote:

> Paste from Quark into Word.  Paste from Word into DW.  It's pretty simple.
>

what is so different between word pad and word in this instance? Just
curious.

I just did a test on textedit app (I'm on mac) and it seems to work
reasonably well and I can turn off imbedded css.

I was hoping there was a way I could skip word and go right from quark...

the quark version is the version I receive for the web version, it's
what they layout the newspaper in. they receive the content from various
sources. My job is simply to take that and update a website monthly, not
to tell them  how to run their business, so it's a slippery slope when I
start to give them advice in that department.

My experience is that clean up word html doesn't capture much in DW.

thank you, it's great feedback

darrel wrote: 
>
>
> For starters, don't paste into word...paste in to wordpad or textedit.
>
> Secondly, you (or your newspaper) should not be authoring directly in
> QuarkXPress. DTP apps like that should be 'end of line' formatting
> stops...not content sources.
>
> Ideally, you'd be creating content in a clean, semantic, style-free manner
> then sending a copy of that to the DTP app and another copy to the web app
.
>
> In a pinch, get the authors to author their content in MS Word. Teach them
> how to use proper word styles. Then use DW on the PC or HTMLTidy to strip
> out all the bad MS Word HTML.
>
> -Darrel
>
>

> that's what I have been doing, but it still gives me <br>s at the end of
> every line, even when there is no line break needed.

That's because someone is editing the text in QuarkXpress and hitting return
manually most likely.

> Since you're an ACE adobe community expert, do you know when indesign and
> DW will work together?

Again, DTP apps should NOT be considered source apps. They are end-of-road
apps for formatting for a particular medium. The issue is a workflow issue
at your newspaper, not a softare issue.

-Darrel

thanks Darrel:

I don't know may graphic designers who rely on word for much these days.
I rarely do anything in word, and I don't know any other designers who
touch it. So while I understand your thinking, my feeling is that with
adobe suite apps being the standard for most of us, they are often used
as source apps too. We're just waiting until everything works together
nicely. (dream)

darrel wrote:
 
>
>
> That's because someone is editing the text in QuarkXpress and hitting retu
rn
> manually most likely.
>
> 
>
>
> Again, DTP apps should NOT be considered source apps. They are end-of-road
> apps for formatting for a particular medium. The issue is a workflow issue
> at your newspaper, not a softare issue.
>
> -Darrel
>
>

We're just waiting until everything works together
nicely. (dream)
Do you think that was even thought of in the merger?
Time will tell I'm sure.
Dave
"Louise" <Louise@NOSPAMwhitedogdesign.com> wrote in message
news:du0429$c3c$1@forums.macromedia.com...
> thanks Darrel:
>
> I don't know may graphic designers who rely on word for much these days.
> I rarely do anything in word, and I don't know any other designers who
> touch it. So while I understand your thinking, my feeling is that with
> adobe suite apps being the standard for most of us, they are often used
> as source apps too. We're just waiting until everything works together
> nicely. (dream)
>
> darrel wrote:
> 
return 
and 
end-of-road 
issue 

> I don't know may graphic designers who rely on word for much these days. I
> rarely do anything in word, and I don't know any other designers who touch
> it.

Graphic designers are writing the articles for the newspaper?

> So while I understand your thinking, my feeling is that with adobe suite
> apps being the standard for most of us, they are often used as source apps
> too. We're just waiting until everything works together nicely. (dream)

It's definitely a dream. ;o)

Seriously, though, this is typical newspaper workflow:

writers -> editors -> copyeditors -> typsetters -> paste up team

One shouldn't be using a DTP app until that final step...the 'paste up
team'...which for print, would be InDesign, for the web, in your case,
Dreamweaver.

PRIOR to those steps, the text should be text. Not put into any specific
format yet.

It's like trying to get your vinyl album into surround sound DVD. Both the
DVD and the vinyl are end-of-line formats. you want to source both media
from the raw original studio recordings. ;o)

-Darrel

> Do you think that was even thought of in the merger?

For the record, InDesign supposedly takes in XML just fine. In theory, you'd
be writing your content in some sort of content management system that could
then deliver XML to whoever needs it...be it the print layout artists using
InDesign, the web developers using DW, RSS feeds, or whatever...

-Darrel

> what is so different between word pad and word in this instance? Just
> curious.

A simple text editor will strip out everything that WORD has (well, except
line breaks). It's a cheap/dirty way to get clean, albeit completely
unformatted text from MS Word.

> I was hoping there was a way I could skip word and go right from quark...

Not anytime soon.

> the quark version is the version I receive for the web version, it's what
> they layout the newspaper in. they receive the content from various
> sources.

Tell them NOT to send you the XPress file, but the source files.

> My job is simply to take that and update a website monthly, not to tell
> them  how to run their business, so it's a slippery slope when I start to
> give them advice in that department.

Your job is probably to make it easy and less expensive for them. If they're
better off paying your hourly rate to reformat text then so be it.

Telling them 'the better way' to do it isn't telling them how to run their
business as much as you simply providing a service that they are paying you
for...web consulting.

-Darrel