Peter Heckert wrote:
>
> I cannot use my trial version anymore, because it says "trial period
> expired". (Normal expiry would have been at 1. january)
> So I am very unhappy now...
>

Ok, now it is activated. (Online activation)
Obviously the server was really unavailable.

Puuuuh ;-)

regards,

Peter

Peter Heckert wrote:
> Peter Heckert wrote: 
>
> Ok, now it is activated. (Online activation)
> Obviously the server was really unavailable.

Yes, probably DeActivation on its M$ operating system took it offline
arbitrarily until Adobe could telephone during business hours and
ReActivate the server.

(The above scenario is, AFAIK, just wishful thinking on my part. Their
server O/S probably doesn't use DeActivation [although it's surely just
a matter of time] - retail XP certainly does[1], and is subject to all
the hassles that implies[2]. On the other hand, they might have chosen
BSD or Linux.)

I still fail to understand why customers continue to pay large amounts
of money for products that can be run on a purely discretionary basis.
The case against Activation has been made in detail many times yet no
case FOR it has ever been made (apart from potential ways to screw
customers - forced upgrades, etc). Piracy? Don't make me laugh.

No clear thinking purchaser could persuade themselves that DeActivation
is going to work all the time, or forever; and it's seriously pissing
off legitimate users[3]. So let's have a little guessing game on how
long a CS2 license will actually last. Two years? Three? Five? More
than five? How long does a Photoshop 7 license last?

[1]
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/...activation.mspx
[2] http://www.infoworld.com/article/03.../07gripe_1.html
http://www.gripe2ed.com/scoop/story...10/11/030/82390
[3] http://www.aquick.org/blog/2005/06/...etter-to-adobe/

>
> Puuuuh ;-)
>
> regards,
>
> Peter

Hi toby,

toby wrote:
> Peter Heckert wrote:
> 
>
>
> Yes, probably DeActivation on its M$ operating system took it offline
> arbitrarily until Adobe could telephone during business hours and
> ReActivate the server.
>
> (The above scenario is, AFAIK, just wishful thinking on my part. Their
> server O/S probably doesn't use DeActivation [although it's surely jus
t
> a matter of time] - retail XP certainly does[1], and is subject to all
> the hassles that implies[2]. On the other hand, they might have chosen
> BSD or Linux.)
>
I dont believe in remote deactivation. Even Microsoft doesnt say this.
The only thing they will deactivate according to [1] is access to
upgrades, if a system has no proper license.

My case was a special case.
I tried the english version for cs2. Then I did not nothing for some
months and so the trial period expired. Then I installed german cs2 and
I had a trial period of 30 days again, until january.

Then I decided to purchase and install cs2 as english version. Because
my english trial version was expired, I had no grace period anymore.

So far I know, microsoft has a minimum grace period of 3 days and this
would have solved the problem.

I use only 20% of the full potential of photoshop. The only reason, why
I want and need it, is 16 Bit editing and -filters, color-space
conversions without errors (which would add digital noise).
I dont need all this stuff such as stock photos or pdf editing, I use
Openoffice to make my pdf's. I just need a capable 16 bit editor for
techinical image improvement and filtering.

So possibly within 5 years I can use gimp or cinepaint or Krita and
Linux again, then I would sell the photoshop license and the license for
all upgrades I had puchased in the meantime.

regards,

Peter

Peter,

my opinion as well (at least partly):

'I use only 20% of the full potential of photoshop. The only reason,
why I want and need it, is 16 Bit editing and -filters, color-space
conversions without errors (which would add digital noise).
I dont need all this stuff such as stock photos or pdf editing, I use
Openoffice to make my pdf's. I just need a capable 16 bit editor for
techinical image improvement and filtering.'

I'm still using PhS7. Nothing missing. RAW photos are level-adjusted,
converted to 16 bpc by Nikon Capture, and then converted as soon
as possible by PhS to 8bpc.
Digital noise for RGB-->CMYK is IMO a fairy tale.
The following rasterizing process (imagesetter, platesetter or RIP)
will mix up everything anyway.

Tested for offset and large format printing.

Best regards --Gernot Hoffmann

Peter Heckert wrote:
> Hi toby,
>
> toby wrote: 
> I dont believe in remote deactivation. Even Microsoft doesnt say this.
> The only thing they will deactivate according to [1] is access to
> upgrades, if a system has no proper license.
>
> My case was a special case.
> I tried the english version for cs2. Then I did not nothing for some
> months and so the trial period expired. Then I installed german cs2 and
> I had a trial period of 30 days again, until january.
>
> Then I decided to purchase and install cs2 as english version. Because
> my english trial version was expired, I had no grace period anymore.
>
> So far I know, microsoft has a minimum grace period of 3 days and this
> would have solved the problem.
>
> I use only 20% of the full potential of photoshop. The only reason, why
> I want and need it, is 16 Bit editing and -filters, color-space
> conversions without errors (which would add digital noise).
> I dont need all this stuff such as stock photos or pdf editing, I use
> Openoffice to make my pdf's. I just need a capable 16 bit editor for
> techinical image improvement and filtering.
>
> So possibly within 5 years I can use gimp or cinepaint or Krita and
> Linux again, then I would sell the photoshop license and the license for
> all upgrades I had puchased in the meantime.

I hope it's still worth something then.

>
> regards,
>
> Peter

toby wrote:
> Peter Heckert wrote:
 
>
>
> I hope it's still worth something then.
>

I hope I am still alive and have a job then....
I am 51 and I need this stuff /NOW/ *;-/*

peter