Very upset about this - the flash downlaod page should be for flash only - a
nd
not the yahoo toolbar.  Please please please - idealy - REMOVE the yahoo
toolbar - if this is not possable then make the default selection for flash
player only.  This is WRONG having this toolbar on the player download, as a
flash developer I am developing and promoting FLASH not YAHOO.  I am very up
set
that Macromedia would stoop so low as to promote Yahoo through the 'back doo
r'.
How many customers i know who simply dont read download peages fully and wou
ld
install the toolbar unknowingly.... This is not on period.  And I bet Yahoo 
pay
a hansome sum for you to include the toolbar in the first place! And this as
ide
you are doubling the default download size.

norbit wrote:
> Very upset about this - the flash downlaod page should be for flash only -
 and
> not the yahoo toolbar.  Please please please - idealy - REMOVE the yahoo
> toolbar - if this is not possable then make the default selection for flas
h
> player only.  This is WRONG having this toolbar on the player download, as
 a
> flash developer I am developing and promoting FLASH not YAHOO.  I am very 
upset
> that Macromedia would stoop so low as to promote Yahoo through the 'back d
oor'.
> How many customers i know who simply dont read download peages fully and w
ould
> install the toolbar unknowingly.... This is not on period.  And I bet Yaho
o pay
> a hansome sum for you to include the toolbar in the first place! And this 
aside
> you are doubling the default download size.

Not flash player but I believe it is ShockWave Player ?
Shockwave as Director not Flash files.
True is , forcing junk from other companies is not nice but you know
the corporate world is full of cronies and all this other crap.



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<valent>
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</valent>

<urami>
http://www.Flashfugitive.com
</urami>

<web junk free>
http://www.firefox.com
</web junk free>

for what it is worth, I agree 100%... if the yahoo bar is what they want, it
should be the option and not the default when you pull up the download page.
I am totally disappointed.


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"norbit" <cel@web-engineer.co.uk> wrote in message
news:cv6jub$fkp$1@forums.macromedia.com...
> Very upset about this - the flash downlaod page should be for flash only -
and
> not the yahoo toolbar.  Please please please - idealy - REMOVE the yahoo
> toolbar - if this is not possable then make the default selection for
flash
> player only.  This is WRONG having this toolbar on the player download, as
a
> flash developer I am developing and promoting FLASH not YAHOO.  I am very
upset
> that Macromedia would stoop so low as to promote Yahoo through the 'back
door'.
> How many customers i know who simply dont read download peages fully and
would
> install the toolbar unknowingly.... This is not on period.  And I bet
Yahoo pay
> a hansome sum for you to include the toolbar in the first place! And this
aside
> you are doubling the default download size.
>

I think it is an option because when you download it at the bottom of the
window is a check box i think saying do you want to download the yahoo toolb
ar.
I hate yahoo i bhave the google toolbar which is much better any way. I did
that same mistike with the yahoo toolbar i got very very angry

right - it would work much better if the yahoo download was not the default
selection.

I also use the google toolbar - the yahoo one is far too cumbersome.  On
many of my sites I am trying to check for Flash 6 or 7 and redirect to
inform users to download the latest version - I wish there was a better
solution with this yahoo rubbish....perhaps a site just for webdev geeks to
direct their clients.

I hope that this yahoo thing goes away.  Anyone know whom I could direct
these comments to so that we can get rid of it?


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"Sebhughes" <info@sebhughes.com> wrote in message
news:cv7qtf$5ih$1@forums.macromedia.com...
> I think it is an option because when you download it at the bottom of the
> window is a check box i think saying do you want to download the yahoo
toolbar.
> I hate yahoo i bhave the google toolbar which is much better any way. I
did
> that same mistike with the yahoo toolbar i got very very angry
>

But wait, there's more. Perhaps they should offer a free subscription to
"READERS DIGEST" magazine with the download, as well as an unlimited supply
of spam from Nigerians who are "in the know" and "connected to" this or that
dictator who fled the country with millions that, if we only sent $25 to
them, they would cut us in on a major part of a million $$$?

Maybe I should apply for a job in their marketing department?

If MACR spent as much time listenening to their customers as they spend
listening to their gym-buff boys and lacquer-nailed girls in their marketing
department, this sort of thing would never happen. That, and if their
management spent some time seeking those with a talent for simplicity that
true engineering genius has, their products would sell themselves, and they
wouldn't have to stoop to this sort of thing.

After all, you don't see IBM offering the YAHOO toolbar with their latest
supercomputer, do you? No. Does Sun Microsystems offer a toolbar with their
latest JAVA release? No. Does Microsoft include the YAHOO toolbar with their
latest dot-NET release? No.

Their products stand above, beyond, and distinct from the YAHOO toolbar.
Apparently, MACR's player doesn't, and needs a little help from YAHOO. I'm
reminded of the days when MACR actually had banner adds on their web
pages...sheesh, always thought that weird, sort of like McDonalds featuring
an ad for Wendy's restaurant, just in case you didn't like McDonald's food.

The shame is, if MACR had actually delivered on Flash 7, this sort of thing
(even if it was only for the gasping Director universe) would be beneath
them. They would have more market than they could deal with. I know I'm
delivering "Industrial Strength" product continuously, but it's in Flash 6,
not 7. My days and weeks are booked--I hardly get any time off just keeping
up with the demand for Flash 6 product, not 7. Wonder why not 7?

Perhaps I should offer a free YAHOO toolbar with my Flash 7 work? Think that
might make it pick up a bit? Would it turn Flash 7 from Zero to Hero?

Hmmm, maybe those gym-buff boys and lacquer-nailed girls in MACR's marketing
department know more than I do? Maybe there is something to be learned
professionally from those bench-pressing, dipilitating waxing, and
powerpoint sessions?

I'll have to think on that angle....

Meanwhile, let's turn back to page 6....page 7 is soiled and
unreadable.....and please apply your popup blocker....




"norbit" <cel@web-engineer.co.uk> wrote in message
news:cv6jub$fkp$1@forums.macromedia.com...
> Very upset about this - the flash downlaod page should be for flash only -
and
> not the yahoo toolbar.  Please please please - idealy - REMOVE the yahoo
> toolbar - if this is not possable then make the default selection for
flash
> player only.  This is WRONG having this toolbar on the player download, as
a
> flash developer I am developing and promoting FLASH not YAHOO.  I am very
upset
> that Macromedia would stoop so low as to promote Yahoo through the 'back
door'.
> How many customers i know who simply dont read download peages fully and
would
> install the toolbar unknowingly.... This is not on period.  And I bet
Yahoo pay
> a hansome sum for you to include the toolbar in the first place! And this
aside
> you are doubling the default download size.
>

Rob,
excellent points and I agree with you - makes no sense to me why they would
do this.  I'll have to re-think all my sites and stop pushing for flash 7.
I downloaded both of them on a different computer: Flash 7 with Yahoo
toolbar and Flash 7 without.  The version with the toolbar takes about
double the download time.

When people are told that they need to update their Flash player in order to
see a webpage properly and then see that stupid Yahoo toolbar - I can
guarantee that they are not happy.  I had some other users in my office go
in and update their player to version 7 - they told me that when they saw
this Yahoo thing come up they were turned off but only went ahead with the
upgrade because I told them to do so. Now, I asked them if they had have
been just surfing the net and saw a notice to upgrade - then saw this yahoo
thing come up - would they have still upgraded...each one of them said,
'probably not...' or 'no'.

I rest my case...this needs to go away MM.  I want to push people to v. 7
but won't with the yahoo on there. Who can I email?  Anyone have a feedback
url?


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"robW" <noSpam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:cv9957$2ld$1@forums.macromedia.com...
> But wait, there's more. Perhaps they should offer a free subscription to
> "READERS DIGEST" magazine with the download, as well as an unlimited
supply
> of spam from Nigerians who are "in the know" and "connected to" this or
that
> dictator who fled the country with millions that, if we only sent $25 to
> them, they would cut us in on a major part of a million $$$?
>
> Maybe I should apply for a job in their marketing department?
>
>
>

Well thanks for your support guys - i have contacted macro directly by way o
f a
support email....  Thank you for contacting Macromedia. This is an automatic
confirmation of your e-mail to us. We received your information on 2/18/2005
 at
9:55:55 PM PST. Please do not respond to this message.  Still no reply - do
your bit and email them too perhaps we can halt this madening decision befor
e
it gets worse!

what is the email address?


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"norbit" <cel@web-engineer.co.uk> wrote in message
news:cvg117$52e$1@forums.macromedia.com...
> Well thanks for your support guys - i have contacted macro directly by way
of a
> support email....  Thank you for contacting Macromedia. This is an
automatic
> confirmation of your e-mail to us. We received your information on
2/18/2005 at
> 9:55:55 PM PST. Please do not respond to this message.  Still no reply -
do
> your bit and email them too perhaps we can halt this madening decision
before
> it gets worse!
>