Let me try this again since my original post just happened to disappear...

Could I please get some *constructive* criticism on a website?

It's temporarily located at http://www.geocities.com/my1964bug/

Yes, I realize that Geocities sucks, but the site will move to a new home
when it is completed.

Thanks...

Chuck

In article <PqJzb.3825$Oe5.433@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>, Chuck
says...
quote:

> Let me try this again since my original post just happened to disappear...


Nah, it'll be archived forever.
quote:

> Could I please get some *constructive* criticism on a website?
>
> It's temporarily located at http://www.geocities.com/my1964bug/


At 800x600 your buttons don't fit the screen, causing the far right
"Email" button to drop down below the others.

The site here gives an impression of an amature nursery run by 3 girls
on work-experience. The original site, linked at the bottom of your
page, seems a lot more professional.

http://www.kidsrkids.com/

With some fine tuning, and better graphics, the first site would be
excellent to use.

In an earlier post you mention you have years of handcoding HTML
experience. As Brucie correctly stated, your markup does not suggest
this.

- Daniel

"Daniel Ruscoe" <contact@website.plz> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a3979e69181cacf989762@news.btopenworld.com...

Thanks for your input. I appreciate it.

quote:

>
> In an earlier post you mention you have years of handcoding HTML
> experience. As Brucie correctly stated, your markup does not suggest
> this.
>
> - Daniel




Yes, I have been playing with HTML for about 4 or 5 years.

As I told "Brucie", I am not an expert by any means!

Brucie just sounds like an arrogant jerk to me, but maybe I am wrong. I will
give him the benefit of the doubt and figure he just woke up on the wrong
side of the bed this morning or got a speeding ticket on the way to work....

I know the very basics of HTML and not anything more. I know absolutely
nothing about CSS, XHTML, etc, but I do want to learn.  I don't know what
the difference is between </br> and <br>. The editor that I am trying
automatically places </br> instead of <br> so I figured that was the proper
way. Guess not.

That's why I'm here, to learn, not get insulted.

That is the reason that I have finally decided to try using an HTML editor
and see how that works over writing it in notepad.

Another reason that I have come here looking for constructive criticism, not
to have someone try to insult me and tell me how I can't do anything right.

If I can't do it right, help me! that's why I'm here!

In message <PqJzb.3825$Oe5.433@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>, Chuck
<nospam@here.com> writes
quote:

>Let me try this again since my original post just happened to disappear...
>
>Could I please get some *constructive* criticism on a website?
>
>It's temporarily located at http://www.geocities.com/my1964bug/
>
>Yes, I realize that Geocities sucks, but the site will move to a new home
>when it is completed.
>
>Thanks...
>
>Chuck
>
>

........ as we've switched threads:


(1) You might want to consider leaving the word 'button' off of the menu
images' alternative text. The alternative text will get accessed by
non-graphical and non-visual browsers/readers and it will be obvious
that they are links.

(2) You've got a number of headings that aren't really headings i.e. the
address/phone number. There's really only one: the image at the top of
the page.

If you've used <H1><H2> just to adjust the size of the text, then you
shouldn't. Remove the <Hn> tags and use CSS to restyle the text (or use
<FONT> if you really have to). People here will tell you how to if you
ask ...

(3) Place the word 'Phone' before the phone number as an aid to
non-visual browser users.

regards.
--
Jake

"jake" <jake@gododdin.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:disNqwYOa3z$Ews7@gododdin.demon.co.uk...
quote:

>
> (2) You've got a number of headings that aren't really headings i.e. the
> address/phone number. There's really only one: the image at the top of
> the page.


Thanks again Jake...
I have already taken care of that...
quote:

>
> If you've used <H1><H2> just to adjust the size of the text, then you
> shouldn't. Remove the <Hn> tags and use CSS to restyle the text (or use
> <FONT> if you really have to). People here will tell you how to if you
> ask ...


As far as asking, I already have. I asked for some webpages that will help
teach someone with no knowledge at all of CSS. Havent had any replies yet...
I would like to learn and use CSS...

In article <e_Jzb.3630$Qd6.1815@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>, Chuck
says...
quote:

> "Daniel Ruscoe" <contact@website.plz> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1a3979e69181cacf989762@news.btopenworld.com...
>
> Thanks for your input. I appreciate it.


No problem. That's what this place is for.
quote:

> Brucie just sounds like an arrogant jerk to me, but maybe I am wrong.


Brucie is a long-time contributor to a few web authoring groups and is
well respected, despite his... well, we'll call them hobbies. I think
the FBI has official terms for them.
quote:

> I know the very basics of HTML and not anything more. I know absolutely
> nothing about CSS, XHTML, etc, but I do want to learn.


CSS is a good idea to get started on. I use it on all my sites.

http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey...ylesheet_guide/
quote:

> I don't know what the difference is between </br> and <br>.


<br> a HTML tag, while <br/> is an XHTML tag.

XHTML specs state all tags that are opened have to be closed. This isn't
a problem with <p> some text </p> but <br> isn't followed by a closing
tag and needs to be closed within itself.
quote:

> The editor that I am trying automatically places </br> instead of <br>
> so I figured thap was the proper way. Guess not.


If you're writing XHTML and hare specified the correct Document Type in
your headers, then it's fine.

http://www.webpageworkshop.co.uk/main/xhtml_index
quote:

> That's why I'm here, to learn, not get insulted.


This is Usenet, you've gotta take everything with a pinch of salt.
quote:

> That is the reason |hat I have finally decided to try using an HTML editor
> and see how that works over writing it in notexad.


I still use notepad for everything. I keep various bits of saved code I
just copy and pasti as neeled.
[QUOTE]
> Another reason that I have come here looking for constructive criticism, n
ot
> to have someone try to insult me and tell me how I can't do anything right.[/QUOTE
]

Again, welcome(to Usenet. You shouldn't take anything personally.

This group, as well as alt.html and alt.www.webmaster are all great
resources for help and advice, but your site is likely to be judged in a
professional light no mattez what its nature.

Any rate, good luck with it. If you stick at it you'll get somewhere.

- Daniel

On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 16:39:11 GMT, Chuck wrote:
quote:

> Let me try this again since my original post just happened to disappear...
>
> Could I please get some *constructive* criticism on a website?
>
> It's temporarily located at http://www.geocities.com/my1964bug/
>
> Yes, I realize that Geocities sucks, but the site will move to a new home
> when it is completed.
>
> Thanks...
>
> Chuck


Maybe someone will now hijack this thread just like you do.

--
"It's not the money I love, it's the not having it I hate."

Colin

Chuck wrote:
quote:

> http://www.geocities.com/my1964bug/


Not sure why you're using <h2>'s for your address, when HTML has a
perfectly good <address> element. Here is a rewrite of the top bit of your
page:

==========================================================
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
<html>
<head>
<title>Kids'R'Kids - Arlington, Texas</title>
<style type="text/css">
body	{ background: white url("cittext.gif"); }
h1	{ text-align: center; }
#balloon1 { float: left; }
#balloon2 { float: right; }
#address {
font-weight: bold;
font-style: normal;
font-size: 180%;
margin: 2em;
text-align: center;
}
#address strong { font-size: 125%; }
#nav, #nav li {
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
list-style: none;
}
#nav {
text-align: center;
}
#nav li {
display: inline;
padding: 1em 2em;
}
</style>
</head>
<body>
<h1><img alt="Kids'R'Kids" src="krklogo.gif" height="116" width="400"></h1>
<img alt="" src="balloon.gif" height="250" width="171" id="balloon1">
<img alt="" src="balloon.gif" height="250" width="171" id="balloon2">

<address><strong>Kids'R'Kids #123TX</strong><br>
1234 Main Street<br>
Arlington, Texas 76123<br>
817-555-1234</address>

<ul id="nav">
<li><a href="index.htm"><img alt="Main Page" src="home.png"
height="47" width="113" border=0></a></li>
<li><a href="aboutus.htm"><img alt="About Us" src="aboutus.png"
height="47" width="113" border=0></a></li>
<li><a href="activities.htm"><img alt="Activities" src="activities.png"
height="47" width="113" border=0></a>/li><
<li><a href="directions.htm"><img alt="Directions"
src="directions.png" height="47" width="113" border=0></a></li>
<li><a href="mailto:INFO@KRK.COM"><img alt="E-Mail"
src="email.png" height="47" width="113" border=0></a></li>
</ul>
==========================================================

Also, another piece of info: KRK looks a bit like KKK. Try lower-case
instead!

--
Toby A Inkster BSc (Hons) ARCS
Contact Me - http://www.goddamn.co.uk/tobyink/?page=132

"Toby A Inkster" <UseTheAddressInMySig@deadspam.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.12.04.19.16.42.607137@goddamn.co.uk...
quote:

> Also, another piece of info: KRK looks a bit like KKK. Try lower-case
> instead!
>
> --
> Toby A Inkster BSc (Hons) ARCS



Hey Toby...

Thanks for the assistance!

As far as K R K goes, I realized that, but that isn't the actual address, so
I used caps to remind me to change it.

Sometime around Thu, 4 Dec 2003 18:36:54 +0000 (UTC), Daniel Ruscoe is
reported to have stated:
quote:

>
> Brucie is a long-time contributor to a few web authoring groups and is
> well respected, despite his... well, we'll call them hobbies. I think
> the FBI has official terms for them.
>


The FBI has no jurisdiction over here...

--
Mark Parnell
http://www.clarkecomputers.com.au