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Tony Cortese




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Old Post  08-25-04 - 09:34 AM  

I would like to receive some constructive critique for this site in terms
of proper browser rendering, layout, user interface & navigation, clear
unambigious content, ease of use ... etc.

http://www.big-discount-hosting.com



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Old Post  08-25-04 - 09:34 AM  
Tony Cortese <bigdiscounthosting@gmaildotcom> wrote:

> http://www.big-discount-hosting.com

100 errors, some severe.
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=h...w.big-discount-
hosting.com%2F

FOR EXAMPLE:
end tag for element "TR" which is not open <- SEVERE ERROR

The visual design is every bit as bad due to the poor font choices and
misspellings.

You desperately need both a spellchecker and a page validator.

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Old Post  08-25-04 - 09:34 AM  
On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 14:01:37 -0400, Neal wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:45:38 -0700, Tony Cortese
> <bigdiscounthosting@gmaildotcom> wrote:
> 
>
> The "html stuff" affects what the user sees, hmm? Some of the errors can
> cause your site to fail for some users. Some reduce usability. Really,
> start there. There's no sense in painting a broken chair. Fix the chair
> first, then we make it pretty. Function before form.
> 
>
> Randomly chosen:
>
> .text-8 {
> FONT-SIZE: 8px;
> FONT-FAMILY: Verdana,Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
> color: #000;
> }
>
> Never set font-size in pixels. Especially this small, which is illegible
> for many. IE cannot resize it. Therefore, people cannot read the content,
> and you lose business.
>
> Use % for font-size units, and think carefully about going below 100% as
> if the user has set their preference, that'd be it.

I'll experiment with that. Although using pixels is very common.


>
> Verdana is not a good choice for general text unless you use a large fnt
> size. What if Verdana is not available? Experiment: try uninstalling
> Verdana from your machine, or stripping it out of the CSS temporarily. See
> how it gets rendered with the second choice Arial.

That's why there's a font family with different fonts. I am not specifying
verdana only. The site looks very similar under arial and sans serif. I use
Windows so I don't have helvetica

>
> http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbpoley/webmatters/verdana.html for more detail on
> the unsuitability of Verdana for most WWW use.

That's debatable.


In general, the site will be improved but right now it's a new design and
wanted the site out and I am targetting the general population. Overtime,
the little stuff will come in, better usability for the visually impaired
and such.


It seems many people here are hung up in html detail only. I would like to
get feedback in user usability. Is it easy to navigate?  Do you have a
frustrating experience..why?
If you're looking for a web hosting company or already a customer for a
host, does the content in my site offer the kind of information you need?
Is something missing?

Stuff that you read in Neilson's books and books like "don't make me think'
and the likes?
Maybe I am in the wrong NG, is this NG specific to html only? I know it's
under alt.html. Any recommendations to where "usability experts" hang out?
:)


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Old Post  08-25-04 - 09:34 AM  
On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 07:07:00 -0700, Tony Cortese
<bigdiscounthosting@gmaildotcom> wrote:

>
>
> I would like to receive some constructive critique for this site in terms
> of proper browser rendering, layout, user interface & navigation, clear
> unambigious content, ease of use ... etc.
>
> http://www.big-discount-hosting.com


See
[url]http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.big-discount-hosting.com%2F[/ur
l]
. You need to fix 100 errors before anyone can meaningfully check your
code.


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Old Post  08-25-04 - 09:34 AM  
On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 14:45:47 GMT, The Doormouse wrote:

> Tony Cortese <bigdiscounthosting@gmaildotcom> wrote:
> 
>
> 100 errors, some severe.
> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=h...w.big-discount-
> hosting.com%2F
>
> FOR EXAMPLE:
> end tag for element "TR" which is not open <- SEVERE ERROR
>
> The visual design is every bit as bad due to the poor font choices and
> misspellings.
>
> You desperately need both a spellchecker and a page validator.

I am more interested in the user experience and what a human eye sees. I
will fix the html stuff later.

What's wrong with the font choices?
A spellchecker was used during the creation of each page. I will use a site
checker to see what other errors are.


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On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:45:38 -0700, Tony Cortese
<bigdiscounthosting@gmaildotcom> wrote:

> I am more interested in the user experience and what a human eye sees. I
> will fix the html stuff later.

The "html stuff" affects what the user sees, hmm? Some of the errors can
cause your site to fail for some users. Some reduce usability. Really,
start there. There's no sense in painting a broken chair. Fix the chair
first, then we make it pretty. Function before form.

> What's wrong with the font choices?

Randomly chosen:

.text-8 {
FONT-SIZE: 8px;
FONT-FAMILY: Verdana,Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
color: #000;
}

Never set font-size in pixels. Especially this small, which is illegible
for many. IE cannot resize it. Therefore, people cannot read the content,
and you lose business.

Use % for font-size units, and think carefully about going below 100% as
if the user has set their preference, that'd be it.

Verdana is not a good choice for general text unless you use a large fnt
size. What if Verdana is not available? Experiment: try uninstalling
Verdana from your machine, or stripping it out of the CSS temporarily. See
how it gets rendered with the second choice Arial.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbpoley/webmatters/verdana.html for more detail on
the unsuitability of Verdana for most WWW use.


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Neal




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Old Post  08-25-04 - 09:34 AM  
On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 15:17:14 -0700, Tony Cortese
<bigdiscounthosting@gmaildotcom> wrote:

> On 19 Aug 2004 19:28:23 GMT, Els wrote:
> 
>
> I guess it should have said I have missing quotes upfront. Thanks for the
> catch.

It can't tell you exactly what to do. It simply reports when it notices a
problem. The lack of quotes didn't cause an error until that point later
on.

While most validation errors are easy to figure out, this is an example of
where the thing that causes the error can't be seen by the validator.


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On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 14:01:37 -0400, Neal <neal413@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:45:38 -0700, Tony Cortese
> <bigdiscounthosting@gmaildotcom> wrote:
> 
>
> The "html stuff" affects what the user sees, hmm? Some of the errors can
> cause your site to fail for some users. Some reduce usability. Really,
> start there. There's no sense in painting a broken chair. Fix the chair
> first, then we make it pretty. Function before form.

I forget to add: you specifically requested advice on "proper browser
rendering". Invalid HTML will cause rendering problems, so it's always
wise to correct that first.


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Tony Cortese




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On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 14:04:35 -0400, Neal wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 14:01:37 -0400, Neal <neal413@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>
> I forget to add: you specifically requested advice on "proper browser
> rendering". Invalid HTML will cause rendering problems, so it's always
> wise to correct that first.

I have tested the page under a few browsers and it worked fine (with the
broken html).
What you suggest is valid but I came across situations where a valid html
caused the page to render differently and sometimes very broken. Sometimes
you need to twist an html to make it render well on many browsers.
I would rather have some broken html that renders well everywhere than
valid html that doesn't render well everywhere.. in situations where it
can't be fixed other way.


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Old Post  08-25-04 - 09:34 AM  
Tony Cortese wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 13:33:18 -0400, Neal wrote:
> 
>
>
> Not every error it reports is valid. It reports errors on
> dynamic javascript simply because it's not "smart". Plus
> it's reporting errors that I can'd find like a </head> that
> has no corresponding opening tag. I have a <head> and a
> </head> so I am not sure what it's complaining about.
>
> Please ignore the html validation part. I mean I can find
> this stuff myself. There are tons of html validators out
> there.

Yep, but as you just stated, you don't understand the errors
it comes up with. Also, this group is called
alt.html.critique. This means it is to critique html. Not
design as such :-)

For instance the error of the meta that can't go there and the
<head> that had a missing tag: that's because you didn't put
quotes on the values of type and rel in the <link> element.

> I am really interested in the human experience. If you, as
> a human, is affected by an html error, yes then it's a
> problem.

Only a matter of time before your code starts to effect humans
;-)

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