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| Adriaan Barel 2007-01-10, 8:47 pm |
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| Joëlle 2007-01-10, 8:47 pm |
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"Adriaan Barel" <NoSpam@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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> I used Bryce 6 for the waterfall; rendered in Vue 6 Infinite. with a
> little postwork in PSP.
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> ----oooOOOooo----
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> Adriaan Barel
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Hmmm, the background looks more convincing that the waterfall, which looks
like a curtain the way it's draped in a sheet.
You might benefit from Googling for some waterfalls to see how they fall.
The sides are rarely this straight.
Also the way the waterfall plops into the water below needs to be more
frothy.
The water itself is a bit more convincing.
More Bryce and Vue6 than PSP...
:-)
Joëlle
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| Joëlle 2007-01-10, 8:47 pm |
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"Joëlle" <frogsnwmail-ng@yahoo.dot.co.dot.uk> wrote in message
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> "Adriaan Barel" <NoSpam@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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> Hmmm, the background looks more convincing that the waterfall, which looks
> like a curtain the way it's draped in a sheet.
> You might benefit from Googling for some waterfalls to see how they fall.
> The sides are rarely this straight.
> Also the way the waterfall plops into the water below needs to be more
> frothy.
> The water itself is a bit more convincing.
>
> More Bryce and Vue6 than PSP...
>
> :-)
> Joëlle
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oops that should read 'than' the waterfall, not 'that'..
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| Carrie Osmo 2007-01-10, 8:47 pm |
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| Joëlle 2007-01-10, 8:47 pm |
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That's an improvement!
:-)
Joëlle
"Carrie Osmo" <c_osmo@NOspamcop.net> wrote in message
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> Ta Adriaan
> I am learning a lot here playing your 3D & with PSP
> To change the water in your waterfall I just added
> monochrome noise and then did a a motion blur -
> river, corner, fall done seperately. And a contrast
> adjustment (diff on each of them). Then I did a little
> with the warp brush up top. Merged the three of
> them and cleaned up using soften brush and clone.
> heaps of white scribble down the bottom of the falls
> and some warp brush then erasor, under the falls -
> running out of ideas I did some ripples then I added
> a soft light layer and filled it with mid grey were I
> wanted it darker used darker than mid grey up to
> near black - lighter and light greys and white. Started
> doing the mist in this layer but it was not working
> too well so set up a new layer and painted the mist
> on in white and reduced the opacity.
> The actual water in the waterfall may be an improvement
> the rest is just me having fun over the top :o))
> carrie
>
> Joëlle wrote:
> :: "Joëlle" <frogsnwmail-ng@yahoo.dot.co.dot.uk> wrote in message
> :: news:457c29ee_3@cnews...
> :::
> :::
> ::: "Adriaan Barel" <NoSpam@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> ::: news:457be646_3@cnews...
> ::::
> :::: I used Bryce 6 for the waterfall; rendered in Vue 6 Infinite. with
> :::: a little postwork in PSP.
> ::::
> ::::
> :::: ----oooOOOooo----
> ::::
> :::: Adriaan Barel
> ::::
> ::::
> :::
> :::
> ::: Hmmm, the background looks more convincing that the waterfall,
> ::: which looks like a curtain the way it's draped in a sheet.
> ::: You might benefit from Googling for some waterfalls to see how they
> ::: fall. The sides are rarely this straight.
> ::: Also the way the waterfall plops into the water below needs to be
> ::: more frothy.
> ::: The water itself is a bit more convincing.
> :::
> ::: More Bryce and Vue6 than PSP...
> :::
> ::: :-)
> ::: Joëlle
> :::
> :::
> :::
> ::
> :: oops that should read 'than' the waterfall, not 'that'..
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On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 03:42:03 +1100, "Carrie Osmo"
<c_osmo@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
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>Ta Adriaan
>I am learning a lot here playing your 3D & with PSP
Yet t6here are thiose that tell us that such images aren't appropriate
here, because we're only using PSP to fix them up.
Incidently, a waterfall is perhaps one of the most difficult images to
do in graphics, and even photos of waterfalls don't look quite 'Right'
because we expect to see movement. I like the changes you made, but
I'd suggest even more post processing.
The better photos of waterfalls I've seen were those with long
exposures, which created a blur of the moving water.
Interesting render, Adriaan. Nice colors, and an ambitious
undertaking. Did you model from imagination or an actual location?
I think I'd use the clipping function on the landscape4 to prevent the
ecol fill of trees from filling to or past the edge of the cliff, if I
were doing it. (make a dup of the terrain, then use the terrain edit,
bottom clip at the bottom of the terrain editor, and populate the dup,
and make the dup transparent.)
Ron
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| Adriaan Barel 2007-01-10, 8:48 pm |
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"Carrie Osmo" <c_osmo@NOspamcop.net> wrote in message
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> Ta Adriaan
> I am learning a lot here playing your 3D & with PSP
> To change the water in your waterfall I just added
> monochrome noise and then did a a motion blur -
> river, corner, fall done seperately. And a contrast
> adjustment (diff on each of them). Then I did a little
> with the warp brush up top. Merged the three of
> them and cleaned up using soften brush and clone.
> heaps of white scribble down the bottom of the falls
> and some warp brush then erasor, under the falls -
> running out of ideas I did some ripples then I added
> a soft light layer and filled it with mid grey were I
> wanted it darker used darker than mid grey up to
> near black - lighter and light greys and white. Started
> doing the mist in this layer but it was not working
> too well so set up a new layer and painted the mist
> on in white and reduced the opacity.
> The actual water in the waterfall may be an improvement
> the rest is just me having fun over the top :o))
> carrie
>
> Joëlle wrote:
You did a good job on it Carrie. Please feel free to work on my images as
often and as much as you like. :-)
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Adriaan Barel
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| Adriaan Barel 2007-01-10, 8:48 pm |
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"RonV" <ron_vick@earthlinky.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 03:42:03 +1100, "Carrie Osmo"
> <c_osmo@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> Yet t6here are thiose that tell us that such images aren't appropriate
> here, because we're only using PSP to fix them up.
>
> Incidently, a waterfall is perhaps one of the most difficult images to
> do in graphics, and even photos of waterfalls don't look quite 'Right'
> because we expect to see movement. I like the changes you made, but
> I'd suggest even more post processing.
>
> The better photos of waterfalls I've seen were those with long
> exposures, which created a blur of the moving water.
>
> Interesting render, Adriaan. Nice colors, and an ambitious
> undertaking. Did you model from imagination or an actual location?
>
> I think I'd use the clipping function on the landscape4 to prevent the
> ecol fill of trees from filling to or past the edge of the cliff, if I
> were doing it. (make a dup of the terrain, then use the terrain edit,
> bottom clip at the bottom of the terrain editor, and populate the dup,
> and make the dup transparent.)
>
> Ron
Hi Ron,
Thanks for the comments. I used to live very close to a waterfall as a child
(about 12) and did a lot of camping there with my friends. My parents even
let as stay there overnight. Something I wouldn't let my kids do these days.
The plants were supposed to represent small ferns that would grow out of the
edge of the cliff; taking in the spray of the water.
Unfortunatly I don't have any ferns amongst the plants that I've got.
I've been busy these last few days with computer problems. I downloaded some
windows updates/security fixes and Poser 6 crashed every time I tried to run
it. The only way I could fix it was to uninstall Poser and reinstall without
the Poser service release patches. :-(
Regards,
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Adriaan Barel
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| Adriaan Barel 2007-01-10, 8:48 pm |
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On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:17:47 +1000, "Adriaan Barel"
<NoSpam@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>Thanks for the comments. I used to live very close to a waterfall as a child
>(about 12) and did a lot of camping there with my friends. My parents even
>let as stay there overnight. Something I wouldn't let my kids do these days.
>The plants were supposed to represent small ferns that would grow out of the
>edge of the cliff; taking in the spray of the water.
Ah, that's what threw me off. I was thinking that they were scrub
trees. I've done landscapes where I included a common man made
object, just as an indication of what the scale was.
I know what you mean about the camping. My wife and I went through a
period of several years where we camped at various locations. We can
still tell some humorous stories about some of the things that
happened. Favorite camping spots were Washington DC, Stone Mntn and
Mount Cheaha in Alabama, New Orleans, and many others. I told my wife
that we should try it again, now that we're retired, and she remarked
that she'd like to watch me tring to get up from a sleeping bag.
Ah well, guess from now on, our method of 'Roughing it', will be when
we stay in a Holiday Inn.
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>Unfortunatly I don't have any ferns amongst the plants that I've got.
Did you check the 3DCafe for a 3DS model? However, thinking about it,
I'm not sure that's really needed. Random surface, indistinct blobs
might work, if you put an actual tree in the scene to give a sense of
scale.
>
>I've been busy these last few days with computer problems. I downloaded some
>windows updates/security fixes and Poser 6 crashed every time I tried to run
>it. The only way I could fix it was to uninstall Poser and reinstall without
>the Poser service release patches. :-(
>
>Regards,
Incidently, Poser 7 is shipping. I understand it handles memory
better than previous versions, which would do mysterious crashes
without warning once ram was full.
Ron
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| Carrie Osmo 2007-01-10, 8:48 pm |
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Adriaan thanks for being do generous with your work
and I hope you have a happy silly season and survive all
the stress and fires or whatever.
carrie
Adriaan Barel wrote:
:: "Carrie Osmo" <c_osmo@NOspamcop.net> wrote in message
:: news:457c37fa_3@cnews
::: Ta Adriaan
::: I am learning a lot here playing your 3D & with PSP
::: To change the water in your waterfall I just added
::: monochrome noise and then did a a motion blur -
::: river, corner, fall done seperately. And a contrast
::: adjustment (diff on each of them). Then I did a little
::: with the warp brush up top. Merged the three of
::: them and cleaned up using soften brush and clone.
::: heaps of white scribble down the bottom of the falls
::: and some warp brush then erasor, under the falls -
::: running out of ideas I did some ripples then I added
::: a soft light layer and filled it with mid grey were I
::: wanted it darker used darker than mid grey up to
::: near black - lighter and light greys and white. Started
::: doing the mist in this layer but it was not working
::: too well so set up a new layer and painted the mist
::: on in white and reduced the opacity.
::: The actual water in the waterfall may be an improvement
::: the rest is just me having fun over the top :o))
::: carrie
:::
snip
::
:: You did a good job on it Carrie. Please feel free to work on my
:: images as often and as much as you like. :-)
::
:: --
:: ----oooOOOooo----
::
:: Adriaan Barel
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"Adriaan Barel" <NoSpam@bigpond.net.au> wrote in news:457e5771_1
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> "Joëlle" <frogsnwmail-ng@yahoo.dot.co.dot.uk> wrote in message
> news:457c29ee_3@cnews
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> Attached is a photo of a waterfall which I've had on my
computer for
> quite some time. Let me see you duplicating this useing a
graphics
> program.
> May I suggest that you put a little more thought into your
critiiques
> next
> time Joëlle ?
>
I saw your original post, and Carrie's re-do of it which you
liked, and everyone's comments and I fail to see where Joelle's
critique was off base in any way. Your tif is an example of
Joelle's comment that waterfalls rarely have straight edges.
Carrie's re-do made the water more frothy where it entered the
water, which was the other critique of the image mentioned by
Joelle. It sounds like an accurate critique to me.
Regards,
JoeB
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| Joëlle 2007-01-10, 8:48 pm |
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"JoeB" <myemail@myserver.com> wrote in message
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> "Adriaan Barel" <NoSpam@bigpond.net.au> wrote in news:457e5771_1
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> with a
> which
> they
> be
> computer for
> graphics
> critiiques
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> I saw your original post, and Carrie's re-do of it which you
> liked, and everyone's comments and I fail to see where Joelle's
> critique was off base in any way. Your tif is an example of
> Joelle's comment that waterfalls rarely have straight edges.
> Carrie's re-do made the water more frothy where it entered the
> water, which was the other critique of the image mentioned by
> Joelle. It sounds like an accurate critique to me.
>
> Regards,
>
> JoeB
>
Oh dear, have I done something wrong?
No problem, I won't again :-)
Joëlle
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| Adriaan Barel 2007-01-10, 8:48 pm |
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"JoeB" <myemail@myserver.com> wrote in message
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> "Adriaan Barel" <NoSpam@bigpond.net.au> wrote in news:457e5771_1
> @cnews:
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> I saw your original post, and Carrie's re-do of it which you
> liked, and everyone's comments and I fail to see where Joelle's
> critique was off base in any way. Your tif is an example of
> Joelle's comment that waterfalls rarely have straight edges.
> Carrie's re-do made the water more frothy where it entered the
> water, which was the other critique of the image mentioned by
> Joelle. It sounds like an accurate critique to me.
>
> Regards,
>
> JoeB
My gripe was that she suggested I look at some waterfall photos. I know full
well what a waterfall looks like and don't need a photo for that.
She seemed to have little appreciation of the difficulties involved.
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Adriaan Barel
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| Adriaan Barel 2007-01-10, 8:48 pm |
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"Skill" <skill@xs4all.nl> wrote in message news:457f1376_3@cnews
> Hello Adriaan,
> What about this waterfall.
> If I remember correctly I downloaded this from Poser somewhere not so
> long ago.
> I follow your submissions regularly and learn from it.
> Thank you.
> Hope you will submit more of your creations.
> And merry Xmas , happy New Year.
> Skill
Looks great Skill. I wish you could remember where you got it.
Merry christmas and happy new year to you too.
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Adriaan Barel
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| Adriaan Barel 2007-01-10, 8:48 pm |
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> Incidently, Poser 7 is shipping. I understand it handles memory
> better than previous versions, which would do mysterious crashes
> without warning once ram was full.
>
> Ron
I'm ahead of you there Ron; downloaded Poser 7 yesterday. So far so good as
they say in Australia. <g>
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Adriaan Barel
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"Adriaan Barel" <NoSpam@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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> I'm ahead of you there Ron; downloaded Poser 7 yesterday. So far so good
> as they say in Australia. <g>
>
I have not even tried yet
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| Lori Davis 2007-01-10, 8:48 pm |
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Adriaan Barel wrote:
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> I'm ahead of you there Ron; downloaded Poser 7 yesterday. So far so good as
> they say in Australia. <g>
>
I'm looking forward to multiple undo myself. And the new lighting stuff,
and the universal pose stuff. I'd preordered the boxed version, which
should arrive fairly soon. :)
Lori
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"Lori Davis" <loriweb@pair.com> wrote in message news:457f57ce$1_1@cnews...
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> Adriaan Barel wrote:
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> I'm looking forward to multiple undo myself. And the new lighting stuff,
> and the universal pose stuff. I'd preordered the boxed version, which
> should arrive fairly soon. :)
>
> Lori
Mine is marked as Backorder With no date
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| Lori Davis 2007-01-10, 8:48 pm |
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Trev wrote:
> "Lori Davis" <loriweb@pair.com> wrote in message news:457f57ce$1_1@cnews...
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> Mine is marked as Backorder With no date
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Yeah, they're shipping them in the order in which the orders were
received. I preordered pretty early; mine's on it's way as of yesterday.
Lori
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"Lori Davis" <loriweb@pair.com> wrote in message news:4580026a$1_3@cnews...
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> Trev wrote:
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> Yeah, they're shipping them in the order in which the orders were
> received. I preordered pretty early; mine's on it's way as of yesterday.
>
> Lori
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I did the upgrade to 6 plus Download for 7se Until I get ^ with its voucher
I cant download 7 And I ordered on the 28Th of last
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