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Adriaan Barel

2006-06-03, 7:29 pm

underprocessable

Joske

2006-06-03, 7:29 pm

Adriaan Barel wrote:

> After some help form Joske; this is my final go.

See how much difference a little highlight in the eyes makes :-) I
think the top fits well, but also that it could have been a little
less blurry, especially the straps. Seen from the same distance, one
material will as a rule be as sharp as the other (here: skin and
top).

Do these models come on a transparent background, Adriaan? If they
did, it would be easy to 'wrap' things like hair and clothes around
them by layers above and below. In this image, it looks as if you
lifted the model off some background (by erasing), judging by the
white pixels around her hair.

Joske
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Adriaan Barel

2006-06-03, 7:29 pm

"Joske" <j.backer@home.nl> wrote in message news:448025bc$1_2@cnews
> Adriaan Barel wrote:
>
>
> See how much difference a little highlight in the eyes makes :-) I
> think the top fits well, but also that it could have been a little
> less blurry, especially the straps. Seen from the same distance, one
> material will as a rule be as sharp as the other (here: skin and
> top).
>
> Do these models come on a transparent background, Adriaan? If they
> did, it would be easy to 'wrap' things like hair and clothes around
> them by layers above and below. In this image, it looks as if you
> lifted the model off some background (by erasing), judging by the
> white pixels around her hair.
>
> Joske

I saved the figure (Miki) in the "PNG" file formate so there is no
surrounding background. It's then a simple matter of using the clone tool to
put it onto a new background form the saved image. I think the blurring on
the bikini top was cause by using the distortion tool so that I streched the
material to make it fit. I thought that it might give it a round shap, but I
don't think it worked to well.
Thanks for the comments, much appreciated

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Adriaan Barel

Adriaan Barel

2006-06-03, 7:29 pm

"Adriaan Barel" <apbarel@REMOVEbigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:44802a26_3@cnews
> "Joske" <j.backer@home.nl> wrote in message news:448025bc$1_2@cnews
>
> I saved the figure (Miki) in the "PNG" file formate so there is no
> surrounding background. It's then a simple matter of using the clone
> tool to put it onto a new background form the saved image. I think
> the blurring on the bikini top was cause by using the distortion tool
> so that I streched the material to make it fit. I thought that it
> might give it a round shap, but I don't think it worked to well.
> Thanks for the comments, much appreciated

P.S. Saving the figure file in PNG format can make an absolute mess of the
hair as the background shows through. This can be seen in my next post; the
hair of Jessie is a mess. I had two goes at it and gave up and posted the
result. Where the hair is light I'll have to think of saving the file in a
different format. Trouble is PSP is not an available file formate in my 3D
programs.

Regards,
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Adriaan Barel

Joske

2006-06-03, 7:29 pm

Adriaan Barel wrote:
> "Adriaan Barel" wrote
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> P.S. Saving the figure file in PNG format can make an absolute
> mess of the hair as the background shows through. This can be
> seen in my next post; the hair of Jessie is a mess. I had two
> goes at it and gave up and posted the result. Where the hair is
> light I'll have to think of saving the file in a different
> format. Trouble is PSP is not an available file formate in my 3D
> programs.

On this page
http://www.sweetdreamsdigital.com/HairTut1.html
for PSP 7 it says

"A bald Poser lady - If you want to use the same image as the one I
have used in this tutorial, you can download it here - just unzip to
wherever you'll know where it is to work with it. If you create your
own, save the render as a .tiff, open it in PSP, promote the
background to a layer, load the alpha channel, invert the selection
and delete the background, then save as a .psp file. (Whew!)"

And there seem to be more detailed directions here:
http://www.nerd3d.com/modules.php?n...=showpage&pid=9

I gather you have to save to tiff or psd format which you can open
in PSP to then do something with an alpha channel. As I don't have
Poser, I can't check this, but I hope you can.

But if I were you I'd become a member of
http://www.renderosity.com/. I'm sure they could tell you a way to
import figures retaining transparency. They have a multitude of
forums, tutorials, free files.

Joske

Joske

2006-06-03, 7:29 pm

Adriaan Barel wrote:[color=darkred]

I have a hunch you may not see all my replies, Adriaan. I posted
several, a while back in an earlier thread as well, and they may
well have gone missing for you. Just so you know I do reply.

Joske
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Adriaan Barel

2006-06-03, 7:29 pm

"Joske" <j.backer@home.nl> wrote in message news:44803945$1_3@cnews
> Adriaan Barel wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> On this page
> http://www.sweetdreamsdigital.com/HairTut1.html
> for PSP 7 it says
>
> "A bald Poser lady - If you want to use the same image as the one I
> have used in this tutorial, you can download it here - just unzip to
> wherever you'll know where it is to work with it. If you create your
> own, save the render as a .tiff, open it in PSP, promote the
> background to a layer, load the alpha channel, invert the selection
> and delete the background, then save as a .psp file. (Whew!)"
>
> And there seem to be more detailed directions here:
> http://www.nerd3d.com/modules.php?n...=showpage&pid=9
>
> I gather you have to save to tiff or psd format which you can open
> in PSP to then do something with an alpha channel. As I don't have
> Poser, I can't check this, but I hope you can.
>
> But if I were you I'd become a member of
> http://www.renderosity.com/. I'm sure they could tell you a way to
> import figures retaining transparency. They have a multitude of
> forums, tutorials, free files.
>
> Joske

Thanks Joske I got the one before and tried saving in the "tiff" format and
saving an alpha channel. It's definately better than the "Png" format but I
still have to experiment further to get the maximum benifit out of it.
Thanks for investigating all this for me.

Regards,

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Adriaan Barel

Adriaan Barel

2006-06-03, 7:29 pm

"Joske" <j.backer@home.nl> wrote in message news:44816f45$2_3@cnews
> Adriaan Barel wrote:
>
> I have a hunch you may not see all my replies, Adriaan. I posted
> several, a while back in an earlier thread as well, and they may
> well have gone missing for you. Just so you know I do reply.
>
> Joske

LOL. I just replied to the wrong message (Your earlier one.) :-) I have been
a member of renderosity for a while now and have to do a lot more reading of
that site to get the maximum benifit out of it. Yes "tiff" is much better
than "Png" but still a lot to learn. :-)

Regards,

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Adriaan Barel

McGrandpa

2006-06-11, 4:11 am

"Adriaan Barel" <apbarel@REMOVEbigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:44802a26_3@cnews...
>
> "Joske" <j.backer@home.nl> wrote in message news:448025bc$1_2@cnews
>
> I saved the figure (Miki) in the "PNG" file formate so there is no
> surrounding background. It's then a simple matter of using the clone tool
> to put it onto a new background form the saved image. I think the blurring
> on the bikini top was cause by using the distortion tool so that I
> streched the material to make it fit. I thought that it might give it a
> round shap, but I don't think it worked to well.
> Thanks for the comments, much appreciated
>
> --
> ----oooOOOooo----
>
> Adriaan Barel
>
>
In PSP, once the png file is loaded (if it's got transparency), then just
copy to clipboard and paste as new layer over the new backdrop. clone tool
not needed :)
McG.

McGrandpa

2006-06-11, 4:11 am

"Adriaan Barel" <apbarel@REMOVEbigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:4481ab33$1_2@cnews...
>
> "Joske" <j.backer@home.nl> wrote in message news:44816f45$2_3@cnews
>
> LOL. I just replied to the wrong message (Your earlier one.) :-) I have
> been a member of renderosity for a while now and have to do a lot more
> reading of that site to get the maximum benifit out of it. Yes "tiff" is
> much better than "Png" but still a lot to learn. :-)
>
> Regards,
>
>
> --
> ----oooOOOooo----
>
> Adriaan Barel
>
Adriaan, the .PSD (photoshop) format is better, it can save alpha channel
and transparency info in that. PSP can read the PSD format.
HTH,
McG.

Joske

2006-06-27, 9:04 pm

McGrandpa wrote:
> "Adriaan Barel" wrote
[snips]
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> Adriaan, the .PSD (photoshop) format is better, it can save alpha
> channel and transparency info in that. PSP can read the PSD
> format.

Thanks for this McGrandpa. It's useful to know, I couldn't find this
info myself easily on a search. Maybe if Adriaan has a (nekkid :-))
Poser lady on transparancy in this format, I might ask him for it
and see for myself how PSP techniques of bg's and dressing can be
matched to the style.

Joske
--
http://members.home.nl/j.a.c.backer/

McGrandpa

2006-06-27, 9:05 pm

"Joske" <j.backer@home.nl> wrote in message news:448c16d0_1@cnews...
>
> McGrandpa wrote:
> [snips]
>
>
>
> Thanks for this McGrandpa. It's useful to know, I couldn't find this
> info myself easily on a search. Maybe if Adriaan has a (nekkid :-))
> Poser lady on transparancy in this format, I might ask him for it
> and see for myself how PSP techniques of bg's and dressing can be
> matched to the style.
>
> Joske
> --
> http://members.home.nl/j.a.c.backer/
>
>
>
I think Mr. Adriaan and myself must have got into 'poser' around the same
time. He and I are both newbies to the poser world. I learned quickly
that Poser 6 is not the be-all-do-all tool I thought when I purchased it.
It's actually one of the end stage tools for 3D work with figures, models
and scenes. It's the beginning and middle parts that I was wanting to
actually work with and in. However, one does absolutely need a staging
platform to actually use the stuff. Poser 6 is huge stuff for staging and
rendering full scenes, including all the lighting and animation as well if
desired. So I didn't go wrong by this purchase. I simply also purchased
Hexagon 2 and Carrara 5, downloaded all the 'free' content available, bought
a little more contene, and now begin the process of learning how to use all
this stuff. One tool I already have that will be vital is PSP. I've bought
pretty much every version from 5 thru X. So I'm well able to do any of the
painting needs for these.
One thing I can see just from what I've done playing with these is that most
folks don't seem to grasp right away just how important the Lighting is
while they're setting up a scene for rendering. Mr. Adriaan seems to
definitely be getting that part now :) You and others are right, the
lighting is something the vast majority of posers don't pay attention to.
And it makes scenes look bad.
I think Adriaan will come to be one of the better Poser artists. The whole
look of a scene does matter to him.
So, meanwhile, let me get back into reading the manuals and practicing the
tutorials for these three big packages! It's really good stuff, this 3D
realm RonVick got me interested in!
McG.

Joske

2006-06-27, 9:05 pm

McGrandpa wrote:
> "Joske" <j.backer@home.nl> wrote
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[color=darkred]
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> I think Mr. Adriaan and myself must have got into 'poser' around
> the same time. He and I are both newbies to the poser world. I
> learned quickly that Poser 6 is not the be-all-do-all tool I
> thought when I purchased it. It's actually one of the end stage
> tools for 3D work with figures, models and scenes. It's the
> beginning and middle parts that I was wanting to actually work
> with and in. However, one does absolutely need a staging
> platform to actually use the stuff. Poser 6 is huge stuff for
> staging and rendering full scenes, including all the lighting and
> animation as well if desired. So I didn't go wrong by this
> purchase. I simply also purchased Hexagon 2 and Carrara 5,
> downloaded all the 'free' content available, bought a little more
> contene, and now begin the process of learning how to use all
> this stuff. One tool I already have that will be vital is PSP.
> I've bought pretty much every version from 5 thru X. So I'm well
> able to do any of the painting needs for these.

Yes, the painting part (at least for making 2D images) is definitely
attractive. You must have gathered I'm not a Bryce/Poser fan, but I
do find myself on more than one occasion very tempted to paint on
figures I see posted.

> One thing I can see just from what I've done playing with these
> is that most folks don't seem to grasp right away just how
> important the Lighting is while they're setting up a scene for
> rendering. Mr. Adriaan seems to definitely be getting that part
> now :) You and others are right, the lighting is something the
> vast majority of posers don't pay attention to. And it makes
> scenes look bad.

But I see so many models with the light coming from below, as if
they were in front of a campfire. So are these personal/amateur
works? Maybe one maker copying the lighting style of another?

However, seeing these models are far from realistic anyway
(plastic-ish skin, for example), I would say the lighting doesn't
have to be that exact either.

> I think Adriaan will come to be one of the better Poser artists.
> The whole look of a scene does matter to him.
> So, meanwhile, let me get back into reading the manuals and
> practicing the tutorials for these three big packages! It's
> really good stuff, this 3D realm RonVick got me interested in!
> McG.

Have fun learning and creating.

Joske
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http://members.home.nl/j.a.c.backer/

McGrandpa

2006-06-27, 9:05 pm

"Joske" <j.backer@home.nl> wrote in message news:448d8876_3@cnews...
>
> McGrandpa wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Yes, the painting part (at least for making 2D images) is definitely
> attractive. You must have gathered I'm not a Bryce/Poser fan, but I
> do find myself on more than one occasion very tempted to paint on
> figures I see posted.
>
>
> But I see so many models with the light coming from below, as if
> they were in front of a campfire. So are these personal/amateur
> works? Maybe one maker copying the lighting style of another?
>
> However, seeing these models are far from realistic anyway
> (plastic-ish skin, for example), I would say the lighting doesn't
> have to be that exact either.
>
>
> Have fun learning and creating.
>
> Joske
> --
> http://members.home.nl/j.a.c.backer/
>
>
Thanks Joske! Just playing around with a standard model I think very
realistic renders can be had from Poser 6. We'll see soon ehough :)
McG.

Adriaan Barel

2006-06-27, 9:05 pm

"Joske" <j.backer@home.nl> wrote in message news:448d8876_3@cnews
> McGrandpa wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Yes, the painting part (at least for making 2D images) is definitely
> attractive. You must have gathered I'm not a Bryce/Poser fan, but I
> do find myself on more than one occasion very tempted to paint on
> figures I see posted.
>
>
> But I see so many models with the light coming from below, as if
> they were in front of a campfire. So are these personal/amateur
> works? Maybe one maker copying the lighting style of another?
>
> However, seeing these models are far from realistic anyway
> (plastic-ish skin, for example), I would say the lighting doesn't
> have to be that exact either.
>
>
> Have fun learning and creating.
>
> Joske

I agree with some of what you say Joske but you know it would be completely
impossible for Poser figures to be that perfect that they look like a photo.
A lot can be achieved with the control of lighting in the program and if my
figures look like plastic then that would be just my inexperience. A lot can
be achieved in the post render work in Paint Shop Pro. as you have taught
me.

Regards.

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Adriaan Barel

Adriaan Barel

2006-06-27, 9:05 pm

"Joske" <j.backer@home.nl> wrote in message news:448c16d0_1@cnews
> McGrandpa wrote:
> [snips]
>
>
>
> Thanks for this McGrandpa. It's useful to know, I couldn't find this
> info myself easily on a search. Maybe if Adriaan has a (nekkid :-))
> Poser lady on transparancy in this format, I might ask him for it
> and see for myself how PSP techniques of bg's and dressing can be
> matched to the style.
>
> Joske

I can send you a model Joske, but I think the best file format to send it in
would be in Paintshop Pro. No matter which image format is used for Poser
figures I would still need to erase the background to make it transperant. I
can send the file as an attachment to a post even though it can't be opened
as an image on this server (I think).

Regards,

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Adriaan Barel

Adriaan Barel

2006-06-27, 9:05 pm

On second thoughts it might be better to e-mail it to you. I don't want to
be banned from posting here for sending naughty pictures. LOL

Regards,

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Adriaan Barel

McGrandpa

2006-06-27, 9:05 pm

"Adriaan Barel" <apbarel@REMOVEbigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:448e2851_1@cnews...
>
> "Joske" <j.backer@home.nl> wrote in message news:448c16d0_1@cnews
>
> I can send you a model Joske, but I think the best file format to send it
> in would be in Paintshop Pro. No matter which image format is used for
> Poser figures I would still need to erase the background to make it
> transperant. I can send the file as an attachment to a post even though it
> can't be opened as an image on this server (I think).
>
> Regards,
>
>
> --
> ----oooOOOooo----
>
> Adriaan Barel
>
One thing Joske could do, since it's free, is to download the DAZStudio
(beta) version, then send or upload a zipped file of a simple poser scene
with just the stock background and the model. Just a thought.
McG.

Adriaan Barel

2006-06-27, 9:05 pm

"McGrandpa" <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote in message
news:448e3cd7$1_1@cnews
> "Adriaan Barel" <apbarel@REMOVEbigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> news:448e2851_1@cnews...
> One thing Joske could do, since it's free, is to download the
> DAZStudio (beta) version, then send or upload a zipped file of a
> simple poser scene with just the stock background and the model. Just a
> thought. McG.

That's handy to know McG. I put my Poser content into DAZ Studio but took it
back out when the Poser content played havoc with some of my DAZ content in
Studio.

Thanks again,

Regards,

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Adriaan Barel

Adriaan Barel

2006-06-27, 9:05 pm

One thing Joske could do, since it's free, is to download the DAZStudio
(beta) version, then send or upload a zipped file of a simple poser scene
with just the stock background and the model. Just a thought.
McG.

Sorry McG, that won't work unless you have the Poser content installed into
DAZ Studio. :-(

Regards,

----oooOOOooo----

Adriaan Barel

McGrandpa

2006-06-27, 9:05 pm

"Adriaan Barel" <apbarel@REMOVEbigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:448e4370_1@cnews...
>
> One thing Joske could do, since it's free, is to download the DAZStudio
> (beta) version, then send or upload a zipped file of a simple poser scene
> with just the stock background and the model. Just a thought.
> McG.
>
> Sorry McG, that won't work unless you have the Poser content installed
> into DAZ Studio. :-(
>
> Regards,
>
>
> ----oooOOOooo----
>
> Adriaan Barel
>
Ohhh. Right, I didn't even think about looking at that issue. I have them
all installed, and like you said, the content stuff got mangled up. I'm due
a wipe of the 3D stuff then reinstall all of it over again. But this time,
paying very careful attention to where all the content is installed :)
McG.

Adriaan Barel

2006-06-27, 9:05 pm

"McGrandpa" <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote in message
news:448e4503$1_3@cnews
> "Adriaan Barel" <apbarel@REMOVEbigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> news:448e4370_1@cnews...
> Ohhh. Right, I didn't even think about looking at that issue. I
> have them all installed, and like you said, the content stuff got
> mangled up. I'm due a wipe of the 3D stuff then reinstall all of it
> over again. But this time, paying very careful attention to where
> all the content is installed :) McG.

You have given me an idea though for Joske if she wants too; is to get DAZ
Studio and then some of the base figures like Victoria and Michael 3 (all
free). Then she can go to her hearts content , experiment and paint the
figures in Paint Shop Pro. Thats what I did before I bought Poser.

One question I have for you though. What does Carrara do?

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Adriaan Barel

Joske

2006-06-27, 9:05 pm

Adriaan Barel wrote:
> "McGrandpa" wrote
[color=darkred]
[color=darkred]
[color=darkred]
[color=darkred]
> You have given me an idea though for Joske if she wants too; is
> to get DAZ Studio and then some of the base figures like Victoria
> and Michael 3 (all free). Then she can go to her hearts content ,
> experiment and paint the figures in Paint Shop Pro. Thats what I
> did before I bought Poser.

Thanks very much gentlemen for the advice. I'm not that interested
though that I'd download and install these programs, hope you won't
feel offended? Ask RonV when he returns (to health and this group),
I'm really bad about them and always have something to say about the
outcomes :-))

But I'll also again say the exchanges about all this are enjoyable,
because they are about painting and techniques (shadow) and such.

Joske
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McGrandpa

2006-06-27, 9:05 pm

"Adriaan Barel" <apbarel@REMOVEbigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:448e4f66$1_2@cnews...
>
> "McGrandpa" <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:448e4503$1_3@cnews
>
> You have given me an idea though for Joske if she wants too; is to get DAZ
> Studio and then some of the base figures like Victoria and Michael 3 (all
> free). Then she can go to her hearts content , experiment and paint the
> figures in Paint Shop Pro. Thats what I did before I bought Poser.
>
> One question I have for you though. What does Carrara do?
>
>
Carrara builds models, skins and even scenes. And renders. It's a high
poly modeller, as is Hexagon 2. I'm not at all sure how to do posing and
animations with it, but it's supposed to do that too. If you would like to
see some of what Carrara can do, check this guys site out:
http://www.carrara3d.com/index.html
Me, I'm an absolute rookie. I'm going to take my time and learn all these
packages. I want to build some models of my own. MilkShape3D is pretty
good, but it's a low poly modeller. I can't get what I want to do in that.
So, I jumped on the Poser wagon and found that it wouldn't do that
either...but I've found it to be very valuable at interim and final stages
of work. Poser is about minipulate and render. hex2 and C5 are about
building, then render.
McG.