PainShop Pro Graphics - Re.Re. ...at the general store

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Re.Re. ...at the general store

2006-05-26, 7:27 pm

I think along with all of the included comments on David's or anyone's art
work one must ask if they indeed want critiques.

I always keep in mind the now hackneyed phrase "eye of the beholder." If I
am happy with what I see in my work or anyone else's, then I don't consider
there to be a problem.

I am a devotee of Lautrec's work, but I do not like everything he did.
However he may have thought those I don't like were his best work.

David may have requested comments on what he did, I did not see the original
post. But for most of us this is a way to relax and we all can't be masters.

ab

Virtual Painter and Buzz Pro are filters or plugins, they are not
part of PSP but you can use them within PSP.

Let me invite you to take a second look :-) The mistake viewers of
paint effects on photos tend to make is this: a scene, the photo,
may remind of a painting. In this case, a scene that could have been
painted by Norman Rockwell. But a scene is just the props or the
settings - there are no paint effects and styles involved yet.

A plugin, Paint Shop Pro, or even a skilled hand or all together,
are what apply the paint effect to the photo or scene. Since this
group is about graphics and not photos, and graphics include
painting, this is where comments about the applied techniques come
in. Are they convincing, were they applied well, do they
successfully overlay and transform the photo so that it becomes a
graphic work.

My constructive comments to David are in that latter area. However
nice the photographed scene is, David is aiming at a painting. It's
not just about how something looks at first glance, it's about how
it holds up at second glance - and in this case, the photo shines
through and that does not match well with the painted areas.
Besides, though David himself did not say this is an imitation of
Rockwell's painting style, it is not how Rockwell applied his brush.

David does some very appealing work on other scenes with Buzz Pro,
so I'm sure he is after the best effect. Maybe you too, if you look
again, can see that his image is open to more work to make it more
convincing and appealing.

Joske
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Spandex Rutabaga

2006-05-26, 7:27 pm

AB wrote:
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> I think along with all of the included comments on David's or anyone's art
> work one must ask if they indeed want critiques.

This is a newsgroup. You can't control the behavior of other posters.
I'm afraid the only way to avoid receiving opinions from others,
whether you asked for them or not, is not to post anything. If you
put something out in front of the public expect everything from
vigorous applause to spirited heckling. This is the magic nature of
newsgroups. Be thankful that the participants here are polite, well
intentioned and knowledgeable, and not the abusive collection of
ill-informed and brainless sociopaths found in the real world. Be
grateful the Corel groups aren't moderated by Jerry Springer.

Joske

2006-05-27, 7:08 pm

AB wrote:
> Joske wrote [snipped for brevity]

> I think along with all of the included comments on David's or
> anyone's art work one must ask if they indeed want critiques.

> I always keep in mind the now hackneyed phrase "eye of the
> beholder." If I am happy with what I see in my work or anyone
> else's, then I don't consider there to be a problem.

> I am a devotee of Lautrec's work, but I do not like everything he
> did. However he may have thought those I don't like were his best
> work.

> David may have requested comments on what he did, I did not see
> the original post. But for most of us this is a way to relax and
> we all can't be masters.

Hi Ab, I would definitely agree with you if this were a different
group. There are a lot of PSP user groups (MSN, Annexcafe, Yahoo)
where people prefer to just relax by showcasing their graphics and
limiting themselves to compliments.

But this group here is not solely or mainly for posting graphics. As
in the other C groups, things are asked, learned, offered. In my
mind that's as it should be. Here's what C says about their groups:
http://tinyurl.com/cfstg

Joske
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$Mr.$ Adriaan Barel

2006-05-27, 7:08 pm

"Joske" <j.backer@home.nl> wrote in message news:447862ca$1_1@cnews
> AB wrote:
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> Hi Ab, I would definitely agree with you if this were a different
> group. There are a lot of PSP user groups (MSN, Annexcafe, Yahoo)
> where people prefer to just relax by showcasing their graphics and
> limiting themselves to compliments.
>
> But this group here is not solely or mainly for posting graphics. As
> in the other C groups, things are asked, learned, offered. In my
> mind that's as it should be. Here's what C says about their groups:
> http://tinyurl.com/cfstg
>
> Joske

This group seems to have gone to the other extreme, all talk and little
action. Just my opinion.

--
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Adriaan Barel

Joske

2006-05-27, 7:08 pm

(Mr.) Adriaan Barel wrote:
> "Joske" wrote
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> This group seems to have gone to the other extreme, all talk and
> little action. Just my opinion.

Since you're addressing me... I used to post my work here from the
start of this group. What I (can) do with PSP can be seen on my
site. And not only in my case it's not just a matter of all talk and
nothing to show :-) Spandex for instance has a wealth of knowledge
freely shared for us to improve techniques, others teach,
experiment, or write tutorials. That is what makes this group
different, as I wrote above.

For you, I regret RonV has been absent for a while so you two cannot
share your enthusiasm for Poser and Bryce. I could comment on your
posts, but unfortunately I'm not a great fan of what these programs
do (the looks), so my comments would probably be of little use in
your view.

If it's any consolation to you, I have posted images from scratch
that may not have been recognizable (as nice, good, interesting,
whatever) to the majority of posters who feel most comfortable with
photo 'manips'. I know there are alternatives for you where you can
share your level of interest in your programs - it's different for
PSP.

Joske
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$Mr.$ Adriaan Barel

2006-05-27, 7:08 pm

"Joske" <j.backer@home.nl> wrote in message news:44786e40$1_2@cnews
> (Mr.) Adriaan Barel wrote:
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> Since you're addressing me... I used to post my work here from the
> start of this group. What I (can) do with PSP can be seen on my
> site. And not only in my case it's not just a matter of all talk and
> nothing to show :-) Spandex for instance has a wealth of knowledge
> freely shared for us to improve techniques, others teach,
> experiment, or write tutorials. That is what makes this group
> different, as I wrote above.
>
> For you, I regret RonV has been absent for a while so you two cannot
> share your enthusiasm for Poser and Bryce. I could comment on your
> posts, but unfortunately I'm not a great fan of what these programs
> do (the looks), so my comments would probably be of little use in
> your view.
>
> If it's any consolation to you, I have posted images from scratch
> that may not have been recognizable (as nice, good, interesting,
> whatever) to the majority of posters who feel most comfortable with
> photo 'manips'. I know there are alternatives for you where you can
> share your level of interest in your programs - it's different for
> PSP.
>
> Joske

Thanks very much for your comments Joske and you're almost 100 percent
right; I do miss Ron very much. But Paint Shop Pro. is more than just
working on photos. The problem as I see it is that there is a real danger
that Corel will reduce the actual graphics potential of Paint Shop Pro.
there are already plenty of programs on the market that work on just photos;
correct me if you feel I'm wrong.

Regards,
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Adriaan Barel

$Mr.$ Adriaan Barel

2006-05-27, 7:08 pm

PS.

I do value yours and anybody elses opinion and it seems to me that unless I
submit a photo I've worked nobody is inerested.

Regards,
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Adriaan Barel

$Mr.$ Adriaan Barel

2006-05-27, 7:08 pm

"(Mr.) Adriaan Barel" <apbarel@REMOVEbigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:44787966_2@cnews
> "Joske" <j.backer@home.nl> wrote in message news:44786e40$1_2@cnews
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> Thanks very much for your comments Joske and you're almost 100 percent
> right; I do miss Ron very much. But Paint Shop Pro. is more than just
> working on photos. The problem as I see it is that there is a real
> danger that Corel will reduce the actual graphics potential of Paint
> Shop Pro. there are already plenty of programs on the market that
> work on just photos; correct me if you feel I'm wrong.
>
> Regards,
> ----oooOOOooo----
>
> Adriaan Barel
Sorry for my poor communication skill, but I'm sitting at home on my own and
it's 3 am (I have a problem sleeping) lol.

I like photography and allways will but where I live there is little scope
for that interest. There are few birds and places of interest. i.e. no
waterfalls, lakes or landscapes all I have is a beach a Pub and a hanfull of
shops. There is only so many times you can photograph a beach and an old
house. I've done table top photography, pets, and portraits you name it. But
with no car and limited finances ( can't afford US$300- lenses) I'm very
limited in that area so decided on 3D art. Joske you are wrong when you say
that there are other avenues for displaying 3D graphics in fact there are
very few.

ps. I enjoyed your website Joske particularly the mini dancers with music.

Regards,

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Adriaan Barel

AuntySpam

2006-05-27, 7:08 pm

A few times I have posted images I created hoping to get a bit of critique.
I don't mind constructive criticism and would like to see more of that here.
Joske, you have never been lax in telling others exactly what you think. I
truly appreciate your honesty as well as your willingness to share your
knowledge.

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"Joske" <j.backer@home.nl> wrote in message news:44786e40$1_2@cnews...
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> (Mr.) Adriaan Barel wrote:
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> Since you're addressing me... I used to post my work here from the
> start of this group. What I (can) do with PSP can be seen on my
> site. And not only in my case it's not just a matter of all talk and
> nothing to show :-) Spandex for instance has a wealth of knowledge
> freely shared for us to improve techniques, others teach,
> experiment, or write tutorials. That is what makes this group
> different, as I wrote above.
>
> For you, I regret RonV has been absent for a while so you two cannot
> share your enthusiasm for Poser and Bryce. I could comment on your
> posts, but unfortunately I'm not a great fan of what these programs
> do (the looks), so my comments would probably be of little use in
> your view.
>
> If it's any consolation to you, I have posted images from scratch
> that may not have been recognizable (as nice, good, interesting,
> whatever) to the majority of posters who feel most comfortable with
> photo 'manips'. I know there are alternatives for you where you can
> share your level of interest in your programs - it's different for
> PSP.
>
> Joske
> --
> http://members.home.nl/j.a.c.backer/
>
>
>
>

Joske

2006-05-28, 3:57 am

AuntySpam wrote:
"Joske" wrote

> A few times I have posted images I created hoping to get a bit of
> critique. I don't mind constructive criticism and would like to
> see more of that here.

It broadens our views, doesn't it. If we don't post our graphics
because we think someone else is 'better', or we only post them when
we are sure we will only get compliments, we miss out on experiences
that make our views (graphics) more interesting.

But I haven't seen you around much here or elsewhere lately anyway,
Aunty. I hope all is well with you.

> Joske, you have never been lax in telling
> others exactly what you think. I truly appreciate your honesty as
> well as your willingness to share your knowledge.

I in turn equally appreciate reading this.

Joske
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Joske

2006-05-28, 3:57 am

(Mr.) Adriaan Barel wrote:
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> Sorry for my poor communication skill, but I'm sitting at home on
> my own and it's 3 am (I have a problem sleeping) lol.

> I like photography and allways will but where I live there is
> little scope for that interest. There are few birds and places of
> interest. i.e. no waterfalls, lakes or landscapes all I have is a
> beach a Pub and a hanfull of shops. There is only so many times
> you can photograph a beach and an old house. I've done table top
> photography, pets, and portraits you name it. But with no car and
> limited finances ( can't afford US$300- lenses) I'm very limited
> in that area so decided on 3D art. Joske you are wrong when you
> say that there are other avenues for displaying 3D graphics in
> fact there are very few.

> ps. I enjoyed your website Joske particularly the mini dancers
> with music.

Thanks. They're dear to me even if they are very old and from a time
I knew much less than I do now about digital graphics.

I hope you caught up on sleep and rest. You should relax if you
can... as you have noticed by now, some feel equally strongly about
their input as you do (I am definitely including myself). Personally
I enjoy spirited exchanges about some subjects outside ourselves
(graphics in this case), because they can lead to fresh views and
inspiration. But there's also the risk of taking them too
personally, and responding as such, which too easily leads to all
sorts of attitudes that forever stop fruitful exchanges.

I live in The Netherlands. To me your part of the world looks very
different. Though I understand you cannot look through my eyes, I
wonder if you're right about there being nothing interesting in your
area from a non-native's point of view. For me it's easy to walk
through my centuries-old city looking through the eyes of a tourist
of course, but it's not just historic buildings or rare rock
formations that make a place interesting, you know. It is just as
often in the small and common things.

The keywords are 'wonder' and 'taking oneself seriously'. I know I
myself have both in abundance, even if nobody else (here) gets what
I post sometimes :-)) But these things can be learned, I am sure.
Maybe you should take a fresh look at your photos and see what you
can do with them in this group (the dreaded manips) or in the
photography group. Take a step back from them as if they weren't
yours.

I don't know if you read in the photography group, but the same
Spandex you feel uses many words here, has a real humourous and
interesting way with objects that most tend to overlook. Street
signs, shop windows, abandoned yards, that sort of thing. I don't
think Spandex would call him/herself very artistic, but s/he is good
in taking that step back, that wonder, I mention above. The photos
are appreciated.

When I enter words like Bryce forums or Poser forums or 3D in
Google, many (well-reputed) places come up.
http://www.renderosity.com/
http://www.daz3d.com/
http://www.3dcommune.com/
http://www.deviantart.com/

Joske
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