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Hi there! I'm new here ;)

Luzmina

2006-02-16, 7:32 pm

Hi everybody!

My name is Luzmina, I'm new over here.... I'm using PSP8... trying to learn how to create with vectors... need to understand that thing about 600DPI images to print...and re-size them without blurring... and no idea!... any free tuts around you know?

Thanks a lot for your help! :D

Hugs

Meena's Crafts & Graphics
www.meenasgraphics.com
Also, take a peek of my other sites:
www.meenascrafts.net
http://theprimcat.homemadebymoms.com
www.homemadebymoms.com
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Spandex Rutabaga

2006-02-16, 7:32 pm

> Luzmina wrote:
>
> Hi everybody!

Hi! But please, please turn off the HTML and the animations. This
is a newsgroup, not a stationery forum. Also, please be so kind as
to post to only one group. The sort of people who can answer your
questions properly and reliably skim all the PSP groups anyway.

> My name is Luzmina, I'm new over here.... I'm using PSP8... trying to
> learn how to create with vectors... need to understand that thing
> about 600DPI images to print...

What thing? It's hard for me to understand how, given the properties
of human vision, one would want an image resolution higher than 300
pixels per inch. However, you are using the expression dots per inch,
which might be something to do with your printer driver. In the latter
case you need to set the highest quality possible in order to get the
finest lines along with accurate color. If you are talking about image
resolution then you need to explain what exactly you are talking about
and where you got these ideas from.

> and re-size them without blurring...

In Image > Resize, set Resample Using to Smart Size and leave it there.
You can't make large changes in the size of an image without impact
on its appearance. If you make the image smaller you are throwing away
pixels, the information-carrying units of an image. If you've thrown
some away then there won't be as much information, right? If you are
making an image bigger, you should realize that resizing just makes
things bigger and doesn't magically add detail that would have been
there if the image had originally been created at a larger size.
Nonetheless there are additional things one can do to create the
impression of a more detailed image when resizing. Perhaps you could
explain exactly what you are trying to do and what goes wrong when
you do it. That way we can give you some specific and relevant advice.

> and no idea!...

I don't know how to teach you to have ideas and be creative.

> any free tuts around you know?

There are about 14,000 here http://www.psplinks.com. Use the search
engine to find what you want or go to a subject category and use your
browser's Find feature to locate something specific in that category.

> Thanks a lot for your help! :D
>
> Hugs

Don't hug me - you don't know where I've been. I'm only a dirty
vegetable anyway.

Luzmina

2006-02-16, 7:32 pm

oouch!

I don't know how my message went to both groups... I'm so sorry... I have
turn off HTML now.... well, this was my first time using newsgroup... :(
.....learning sometimes hurts LOL

Better, I may take newsgroup off since I don't know how to manage it.. I
think is good idea to learn it first... *o*

Thanks a lot to be so kind to reply my questions.. ;)... I will check the
link you sent.

Bye

Luzmina

"Spandex Rutabaga" <SpRu@agabatur.xednaps> escribió en el mensaje
news:43F273F6.FE36C8D2@agabatur.xednaps...
>
>
> Hi! But please, please turn off the HTML and the animations. This
> is a newsgroup, not a stationery forum. Also, please be so kind as
> to post to only one group. The sort of people who can answer your
> questions properly and reliably skim all the PSP groups anyway.
>
>
> What thing? It's hard for me to understand how, given the properties
> of human vision, one would want an image resolution higher than 300
> pixels per inch. However, you are using the expression dots per inch,
> which might be something to do with your printer driver. In the latter
> case you need to set the highest quality possible in order to get the
> finest lines along with accurate color. If you are talking about image
> resolution then you need to explain what exactly you are talking about
> and where you got these ideas from.
>
>
> In Image > Resize, set Resample Using to Smart Size and leave it there.
> You can't make large changes in the size of an image without impact
> on its appearance. If you make the image smaller you are throwing away
> pixels, the information-carrying units of an image. If you've thrown
> some away then there won't be as much information, right? If you are
> making an image bigger, you should realize that resizing just makes
> things bigger and doesn't magically add detail that would have been
> there if the image had originally been created at a larger size.
> Nonetheless there are additional things one can do to create the
> impression of a more detailed image when resizing. Perhaps you could
> explain exactly what you are trying to do and what goes wrong when
> you do it. That way we can give you some specific and relevant advice.
>
>
> I don't know how to teach you to have ideas and be creative.
>
>
> There are about 14,000 here http://www.psplinks.com. Use the search
> engine to find what you want or go to a subject category and use your
> browser's Find feature to locate something specific in that category.
>
>
> Don't hug me - you don't know where I've been. I'm only a dirty
> vegetable anyway.
>

bjeanneb

2006-02-16, 7:32 pm

> oouch!
>
> I don't know how my message went to both groups... I'm so sorry... I have
> turn off HTML now.... well, this was my first time using newsgroup... :(
> ....learning sometimes hurts LOL
>
> Better, I may take newsgroup off since I don't know how to manage it.. I
> think is good idea to learn it first... *o*
>
> Thanks a lot to be so kind to reply my questions.. ;)... I will check the
> link you sent.
>
> Bye
>
> Luzmina

Don't go away. You just got here. We're all here to learn. Making a
mistake and having it corrected is a good way to learn. Lurking a while
before you post is even better. Each newsgroup has a personality and
certain conventions. Everybody will be happier if you blend in rather than
jump in without a clue about what is expected in this particular
environment. Some of us are very straightforward but no one here is
mean-spirited. You will learn a lot and have a good time if you stick
around. Furthermore, we will enjoy seeing your graphics.

Jeanne

Jerry Rivers

2006-02-16, 7:32 pm

It isn't at all nice to post to an NNTP NG using Rich Text. Unless readers of your posts are using outhouse depressed, it is likely they don't see anything but HTML gibberish.

-- Jerry
"Luzmina" <news@homemadebymoms.com> wrote in message news:43f2656e_3@cnews...
Hi everybody!

My name is Luzmina, I'm new over here.... I'm using PSP8... trying to learn how to create with vectors... need to understand that thing about 600DPI images to print...and re-size them without blurring... and no idea!... any free tuts around you know?

Thanks a lot for your help! :D

Hugs

Meena's Crafts & Graphics
www.meenasgraphics.com
Also, take a peek of my other sites:
www.meenascrafts.net
http://theprimcat.homemadebymoms.com
www.homemadebymoms.com
SigTag By Me :-}
***

Carrie Osmo

2006-02-16, 7:32 pm

ROFL

"Jerry Rivers" <usenetMAPS123@comcast.net> wrote in message news:43f2db32_3@cnews...
It isn't at all nice to post to an NNTP NG using Rich Text. Unless readers of your posts are using outhouse depressed, it is likely
they don't see anything but HTML gibberish.

-- Jerry
"Luzmina" <news@homemadebymoms.com> wrote in message news:43f2656e_3@cnews...
Hi everybody!

My name is Luzmina, I'm new over here.... I'm using PSP8... trying to learn how to create with vectors... need to understand that
thing about 600DPI images to print...and re-size them without blurring... and no idea!... any free tuts around you know?

Thanks a lot for your help! :D

Hugs

Meena's Crafts & Graphics
www.meenasgraphics.com
Also, take a peek of my other sites:
www.meenascrafts.net
http://theprimcat.homemadebymoms.com
www.homemadebymoms.com
SigTag By Me :-}
***

Sally Beacham

2006-02-16, 7:32 pm

"Jerry Rivers" <usenetMAPS123@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:43f2db32_3@cnews...
It isn't at all nice to post to an NNTP NG using Rich Text. Unless readers
of your posts are using outhouse depressed, it is likely they don't see
anything but HTML gibberish.

Ergo, it isn't that nice to reply to it in the same format, either.

--
Sally Beacham
www.dizteq.com / www.lvsonline.com
Paint Shop Pro 8 Zero to Hero
Digital Scrapbooking (Course Technology)

-- Jerry
"Luzmina" <news@homemadebymoms.com> wrote in message
news:43f2656e_3@cnews...
Hi everybody!

My name is Luzmina, I'm new over here.... I'm using PSP8... trying to learn
how to create with vectors... need to understand that thing about 600DPI
images to print...and re-size them without blurring... and no idea!... any
free tuts around you know?

Thanks a lot for your help! :D

Hugs

Meena's Crafts & Graphics
www.meenasgraphics.com
Also, take a peek of my other sites:
www.meenascrafts.net
http://theprimcat.homemadebymoms.com
www.homemadebymoms.com
SigTag By Me :-}
***

Jerry Rivers

2006-02-16, 7:32 pm

"Carrie Osmo" <c_osmo@NOspamcop.net> wrote in message
news:43f310a2_3@cnews...
>
> ROFL

I was making a point. I never personally post to Usenet or
CNews with HTML, Carrie.

-- Jerry

Joëlle

2006-02-16, 7:33 pm

"Spandex Rutabaga" <SpRu@agabatur.xednaps> wrote in message
news:43F273F6.FE36C8D2@agabatur.xednaps...
>
<snip>

> Don't hug me - you don't know where I've been. I'm only a dirty
> vegetable anyway.
>

The 'hug' a complete stranger is a North American phenomenon, I see it other
forums too.
There is a lot of hugging going on.

On this side of the pond people don't 'hug'. They barely kiss, unless you're
French of course, but then it takes a while before you get more than one.

It has taken the Brits years to become less suspicious of this kissing
melarky :-)

Joëlle

Tim K

2006-02-16, 7:33 pm

Luzmina;

Now that everyone has told you what not to do I thought I would offer this
link. You can find just about anything you want here.
And do come back.

Tim K

http://www.psplinks.com/

Marvin

2006-02-16, 7:33 pm

Luzmina wrote:
> Hi everybody!
>
> My name is Luzmina, I'm new over here.... I'm using PSP8... trying to
> learn how to create with vectors... need to understand that thing about
> 600DPI images to print...and re-size them without blurring... and no
> idea!... any free tuts around you know?
>
> Thanks a lot for your help! :D
>
> Hugs
>
Now that you've had so many responses about netiquette, I'll
tackle your questions. A good source of clear directions
for PSP operations is www.campratty.com. The 600 dpi for
printing usualy is a requirement by printers(i.e., people
who print). It makes some sense for printing of the highest
quality on glossy paper, such as in a good art book. If you
have a 300 ppi image, you can resize it with PSP to satisfy
the printer.

Chuck

2006-02-16, 7:33 pm

The funny thing about your post is you replied in the format that you said
not to use - sheesh - lighten up.

--
Chuck

"Jerry Rivers" <usenetMAPS123@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:43f31aac_3@cnews...
>
>
> "Carrie Osmo" <c_osmo@NOspamcop.net> wrote in message
> news:43f310a2_3@cnews...
>
> I was making a point. I never personally post to Usenet or CNews with
> HTML, Carrie.
>
> -- Jerry
>
>

Joske

2006-02-16, 7:33 pm

"Luzmina" wrote

> Hi everybody!

> My name is Luzmina, I'm new over here.... I'm using
> PSP8... trying to learn how to create with vectors...
> need to understand that thing about 600DPI images
> to print...and re-size them without blurring... and no
> idea!... any free tuts around you know?

>Thanks a lot for your help! :D

Welcome to the group Luzmina. Ah, you're into pixel painting. I like
how some create the most wonderful figures and even whole villages
with it - especially the Japanese seem to be very good at it.

You've already been given links and some advice. Do stay around. I
know my share of vector, but explaining it from the start would be a
lot of work and probably not make you much wiser. Specific questions
would be good... like, how do I give my vector flower a different
color, or make it bigger, or an outline. It's the parts where you
get stuck where others can help best.

Joske

Fred Hiltz

2006-02-16, 7:33 pm

Spandex Rutabaga wrote:
> Luzmina wrote:
[snip][color=darkred]
> There are about 14,000 here http://www.psplinks.com. Use
> the search engine to find what you want or go to a subject
> category and use your browser's Find feature to locate
> something specific in that category.

Among all those tutorials, I would like to recommend a personal
favorite, http://ronstoons.com/part1.htm. It may not be the best
match for everyone, but it got me started with vectors and remains
my sentimental pick.
--
Fred Hiltz, fhiltz at yahoo dot com

Joëlle

2006-02-16, 7:33 pm

"Fred Hiltz" <not@home.ca> wrote in message news:43f3b517$1_3@cnews...
>
> Spandex Rutabaga wrote:
> [snip]
>
> Among all those tutorials, I would like to recommend a personal
> favorite, http://ronstoons.com/part1.htm. It may not be the best
> match for everyone, but it got me started with vectors and remains
> my sentimental pick.
> --
> Fred Hiltz, fhiltz at yahoo dot com
>
>
>

I second that!

:-)
Joëlle

Tim

2006-02-16, 7:33 pm

Marvin wrote:
> Luzmina wrote:
> Now that you've had so many responses about netiquette, I'll
> tackle your questions. A good source of clear directions
> for PSP operations is www.campratty.com. The 600 dpi for
> printing usualy is a requirement by printers(i.e., people
> who print). It makes some sense for printing of the highest
> quality on glossy paper, such as in a good art book. If you
> have a 300 ppi image, you can resize it with PSP to satisfy
> the printer.

You actually don't need to do that at all. There is no direct
relationship between the pixels per inch resolution of the image and the
dots per inch resolution of the printer, and absolutely no need to send
the image to the printer at any particular resolution. For photos, as
long as the image has a resolution of 200 ppi or higher it will print
just fine, and the printer driver will happily convert any image sent to
it to the correct instructions to lay down the right dots of ink on the
page.
The image resolution is a very misunderstood thing. Many people believe
that if you increase the resolution from 300 ppi to 600 ppi that you'll
somehow reveal new information from somewhere in the depths of the file.
You won't.
The image resolution is only a simple conversion factor that tells the
printer driver what size you want your image to print. So if your image
is 2400 pixels by 1800 pixels and the resolution is 300ppi, the printer
driver will know that you want the image printed at a size of 2400/300 =
8 inches by 1800/300 = 6 inches. If you change the resolution to 600 ppi
without resampling the image will now print at a size of 2400/600 = 4
inches by 1800/600 = 3 inches. If you increase the image to 600 ppi with
resampling the image will now be 4800 pixels by 3600 pixels, but 75% of
the pixels have been created out of thin air by averaging the original
pixels, and when it prints it will be 4800/600 = 8 inches by 3600/600 =
6 inches and look essentially the same as the 2400 x 1800 and 300ppi
version. Because of the errors and approximations introduced by the
resampling it will most likely look slightly worse than the original.
So forget about resolution. In the print dialog of PSP, or in Print
Layout, you can set the size to be anything you want without bothering
with changing the resolution. This introduces scaling into the equation,
which like resolution doesn't alter the image at all, but just adds a
little bit more arithmetic to the work of the printer driver. For
instance if you wanted to print your original 2400 by 1800 pixel and
300ppi image at 4 inches by 3 inches, you make sure that after you click
"Print", that "Fit to page" isn't selected and you enter 4 inches as the
width and the height will change to 3 inches and the scaling will become
50%. The printer driver will print at 2400/300 x 50% = 4 inches by
1800/300 x 50% = 3 inches.
Also forget about 600 dpi for printers. All you can do is choose a
quality from the print driver, and these days 600dpi would be lower than
the best quality (which is what you want to choose) and won't be
available in Epson printers, which work in multiples of 360dpi rather
than the multiples of 300 dpi that Hewlett Packard, for instance, uses.
Especially forget about resolution for images that are to be viewed
onscreen or on the web. It is completely and utterly irrelevant, and
anyone that tells you that web images must be 72ppi is talking through
their hat.

--
Tim Morrison
C-Tech volunteer

Spandex Rutabaga

2006-02-16, 7:33 pm

Marvin wrote:

> The 600 dpi for
> printing usualy is a requirement by printers(i.e., people
> who print). It makes some sense for printing of the highest
> quality on glossy paper, such as in a good art book.

Assuming that an art book is going to be offset printed, it won't
be printed with better than a 250 line/inch screen. Sampling theory
says your image should be sampled at twice that, which would be 500
samples per inch or 500 pixels per inch. Allowing a little overkill
as a safety factor would give you 600 pixel per inch. However, I can
guarantee you that the original poster is not talking about offset
printing and could not explain what it was if you asked. Even if
offset printing were intended it would be done at magazine or book
quality and would need 150 line/inch screen or a print resolution
no better than 400 pixels per inch. The "600 dpi" mentioned by the
poster is misinformation she was given. It is either a wild
overestimate (by a factor of two or better) of the print resolution
required to get a good quality print of an image under conditions
where this resolution is used to determine the size of the printed
image. Alternatively, it is a wild underestimate (by a factor of
more than three) of the resolution of the printer (in terms of the
addressability of ink dots) that should be selected in the driver
for the highest quality prints. Personally I'd like to help the
poster sort this out but that's impossible in the absence of real
information or answers to my follow-up questions.

> If you
> have a 300 ppi image, you can resize it with PSP to satisfy
> the printer.

If by "resize" you mean change the pixel size by resampling this
would be silly since you can't create information from nothing. If
you mean change the print resolution stored in the image from 300
to 600, this is pointless. The 600 pixel per inch image will simply
print at half the size of the 300 ppi image. You can just tell the
printer at what size to print the image. It is safer to do so too
since the printing software may ignore the stored resolution and
some image formats don't store any resolution anyway.