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"Jeff" <jeff@naol.com> wrote in news:464ba96b$1_2@cnews:
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> http://www.orthohelp.com/photo/1960s.jpg
> This is a badly bleached photo from the 1960s. I believe it was once in
> color.
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> Is it retrievable? How?
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> Thanks.
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> Jeff
If you mean is it possible to bring back the original colors that may
have been in the image, then I'd have to say no.
The yellow color cast can be removed easily, and then the image is
retrievable if you're happy to get a black and white from it. And, as a
black and white, you can then recolor if you wish. So we'd need to know
what you mean by "retrievable", and what you'd be willing to settle
with..
Regards,
JoeB
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"JoeB" <mymail@myserver.com> wrote in message
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> "Jeff" <jeff@naol.com> wrote in news:464ba96b$1_2@cnews:
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> If you mean is it possible to bring back the original colors that may
> have been in the image, then I'd have to say no.
>
> The yellow color cast can be removed easily, and then the image is
> retrievable if you're happy to get a black and white from it. And, as
> a
> black and white, you can then recolor if you wish. So we'd need to
> know
> what you mean by "retrievable", and what you'd be willing to settle
> with..
>
> Regards,
>
> JoeB
>
As a newbie I meant "get the colors back" but then what do I know! I
thought you guys could do magic.
I am not sure what you mean by "recolor if you wish". I played with the
recolor controls and all that does is add a color cast to everything.
Maybe there is more to this than I think.
By getting a black and white do you mean just clicking on grayscale and
then using the "one step photo fix" to improve contrast, etc.? Or, is
there a better way?
Thanks.
Jeff
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| Keith Hailey 2007-05-18, 6:16 am |
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We can do magic. But the idea is for you to learn, grahs hoppa. . . .
Lesson 1- one step photo fix is not an option. (There is no magic button for
restoration)
lesson 2- Clean your scanner bed really good and make sure you get all the
lint off. I use the cloths made for cleaning eyeglasses and lens cleaner but
any lint free cloth should work.
Lesson 3- Match your scan resolution to your printer resolution, or at least
the resolution that you will be using to print. (Mine is 600 dpi for best,
I do a lot at 300dpi, though. Depends on the situation)
Now you have your nice big canvas ready to work with.
Before you start on the recoloring, you need to clean up all the trash, all
the lines and marks, damaged areas and so forth. Your main weapons will be
the scratch remover and the clone tool, soften brush, etc. as well as
learning to use layers.
( http://jpkabala.com/paranormal/layers.html ) And you'll find yourself
zooming in and out quite a bit, a wheel mouse helps considerably with this.
JoeB was right. Remove the color cast first using the automatic color
balance. Try the different settings to see what difference that they make.
It will also help you understand the white balance settings on your camera
and relationship of the different light temperatures and color.
Then, going to greyscale, you can use the "greyscaleinplace" script that
came with PSP. It keeps your color depth at 16 million colors instead of
taking you to 256 shades of grey.
You can use the one step photo fix if you really want to. I like to go
through steps manually for better control.
Then, Colorizing. There is no magic button for that one, either. There are
several ways to do it, though.
Here's links to a couple. . .
http://www.worth1000.com/tutorial.asp?sid=161015
http://www.worth1000.com/tutorial.asp?sid=161018
And here is a forum you might look at, too
http://retouchpro.com
And there is only a ba-zillion tutorials all over the internet. (beware of
overdoses of "Cuteness". If I see another teddy bear or sparkly fairy, I
might get sick)
For learning to use the tools available to you in PSP, the best mentors are
right here in these news groups. Read all the old posts that pertain to the
tools you are learning and ask and someone will help.
But as far as being hopeless, that depends on how much time and effort that
the image is worth to you. If you give up, it's hopeless.
Take care and don't worry, I'm a "Grahs Hoppa", too. And PSP has been an
adventure in learning.
Keith
"Jeff" <jeff@naol.com> wrote in message news:464bcd61$1_2@cnews...
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> "JoeB" <mymail@myserver.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9933D59CD69D3JoeB@216.191.232.194...
> As a newbie I meant "get the colors back" but then what do I know! I
> thought you guys could do magic.
>
> I am not sure what you mean by "recolor if you wish". I played with the
> recolor controls and all that does is add a color cast to everything.
> Maybe there is more to this than I think.
>
> By getting a black and white do you mean just clicking on grayscale and
> then using the "one step photo fix" to improve contrast, etc.? Or, is
> there a better way?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jeff
>
>
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"Mac53" <Mac53@aapt.net.au> wrote in news:464c4250$1_1@cnews:
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> "> http://www.worth1000.com/tutorial.asp?sid=161015
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I'm[color=darkred]
> I've done all up to Page 3: Blush it.
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> "in PSP, go to masks>edit; in PS click the mask icon in the layer
> palette"
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> I can't find masks>edit even when I click on the mask icon in the
> Layer Palette.
> I'm using PSP XI, maybe Masks>edit is in a different place??? I
can't
> find it, please help.
>
> Mac53
A quick look at Page 3 indicates that all you are going to do is flood
fill the mask layer. In PSP, I believe all you have to do is click on
that mask layer in the layers palette. That will show you the
greyscale colors in the Materials Palette. Try just doing the flood
fill from that point.
Regards,
JoeB
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| Spandex Rutabaga 2007-05-18, 10:17 pm |
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Jeff wrote:
>
> http://www.orthohelp.com/photo/1960s.jpg
> This is a badly bleached photo from the 1960s. I believe it was once in
> color.
>
> Is it retrievable? How?
You are going to have to colorize by hand and not use some magic
photo fixer. Here's why. The hair on the woman's head (which was
presumably blonde) has an highlight region with RGB 236, 210, 135.
Meanwhile, a region of the face, which was a healthy pink has RGB
234, 203, 130. These are virtually identical colors. We can
manipulate your image as a whole to make the hair blond or the
face pink. However, we can't simultaneously make the original
color blonde in one place and pink in another. To make the same
color different in different places you need to tell PSP what is
needed by painting the color on or by filling selections. This is
called colorizing. The general recipe is to greyscale your image,
get its contrast right, convert to 16 million colors, add a
new layer for each region you want to colorize, set the blend
mode of the added layer to Color (Legacy) and to paint on it
with the appropriate hue and saturation. The lightness in such
a situation will be taken from your grey image.
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"JoeB" <mymail@myserver.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9934638369B74JoeB@216.191.232.194...
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> "Mac53" <Mac53@aapt.net.au> wrote in news:464c4250$1_1@cnews:
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> I'm
> can't
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> A quick look at Page 3 indicates that all you are going to do is flood
> fill the mask layer. In PSP, I believe all you have to do is click on
> that mask layer in the layers palette. That will show you the
> greyscale colors in the Materials Palette. Try just doing the flood
> fill from that point.
>
> Regards,
>
> JoeB
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Thanks JoeB,
so what's this Masks>Edit ? Is it a Photoshop menu item not to be found in
PSP XI?
Btw, that Photoshop magnetic lasso would be a cool feature for a future PSP.
Regards back to ya!
Mac53
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"Mac53" <Mac53@aapt.net.au> wrote in news:464d0df7_3@cnews:
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> "JoeB" <mymail@myserver.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9934638369B74JoeB@216.191.232.194...
> Thanks JoeB,
> so what's this Masks>Edit ? Is it a Photoshop menu item not to be
> found in PSP XI?
As far as I know it's not in PSP. You can change some of the
properties of a mask in PSP by right-clicking the mask layer and
selecting Properties from the context menu, but Edit isn't one of
them. For the tut you were following it likely wasn't necessary.
Regards,
JoeB
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| Spandex Rutabaga 2007-05-19, 3:17 am |
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JoeB wrote:
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> "Mac53" <Mac53@aapt.net.au> wrote in news:464d0df7_3@cnews:
Whatever it's supposed to be, it just means you paint white,
black or shades of grey on a mask. In PSP 8 or later masks
are individual layers which you make active in the Layer
Palette and paint just like any other layer (except for
being restricted to greyscale). You don't need a Mask > Edit
item in consequence. Where the mask layer is white the image
is opaque. Where the mask layer is black the image is
transparent. Where the mask layer is an intermediate shade
of grey the image is partly transparent.
[color=darkred]
> As far as I know it's not in PSP. You can change some of the
> properties of a mask in PSP by right-clicking the mask layer and
> selecting Properties from the context menu, but Edit isn't one of
> them. For the tut you were following it likely wasn't necessary.
In PSP 7 and earlier masks weren't exposed as mask layers.
Instead you made a mask with the Mask > New menu item and then
went into (and out of) mask editing mode with Mask > Edit.
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| Spandex Rutabaga 2007-05-19, 3:17 am |
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Mac53 wrote:
> Btw, that Photoshop magnetic lasso would be a cool feature for a future PSP.
That magnetic lasso is patented by Adobe. It's based on something
called intelligent scissors.
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Thank you so much for all the pointers. Very helpful.
Jeff
"Keith Hailey" <hkhailey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:464c23e6$1_1@cnews...
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> We can do magic. But the idea is for you to learn, grahs hoppa. . . .
>
> Lesson 1- one step photo fix is not an option. (There is no magic
> button for
> restoration)
>
> lesson 2- Clean your scanner bed really good and make sure you get all
> the
> lint off. I use the cloths made for cleaning eyeglasses and lens
> cleaner but
> any lint free cloth should work.
>
> Lesson 3- Match your scan resolution to your printer resolution, or at
> least
> the resolution that you will be using to print. (Mine is 600 dpi for
> best,
> I do a lot at 300dpi, though. Depends on the situation)
>
> Now you have your nice big canvas ready to work with.
>
> Before you start on the recoloring, you need to clean up all the
> trash, all
> the lines and marks, damaged areas and so forth. Your main weapons
> will be
> the scratch remover and the clone tool, soften brush, etc. as well as
> learning to use layers.
> ( http://jpkabala.com/paranormal/layers.html ) And you'll find
> yourself
> zooming in and out quite a bit, a wheel mouse helps considerably with
> this.
>
> JoeB was right. Remove the color cast first using the automatic color
> balance. Try the different settings to see what difference that they
> make.
> It will also help you understand the white balance settings on your
> camera
> and relationship of the different light temperatures and color.
>
>
> Then, going to greyscale, you can use the "greyscaleinplace" script
> that
> came with PSP. It keeps your color depth at 16 million colors instead
> of
> taking you to 256 shades of grey.
>
> You can use the one step photo fix if you really want to. I like to go
> through steps manually for better control.
>
> Then, Colorizing. There is no magic button for that one, either.
> There are
> several ways to do it, though.
>
> Here's links to a couple. . .
>
> http://www.worth1000.com/tutorial.asp?sid=161015
> http://www.worth1000.com/tutorial.asp?sid=161018
>
> And here is a forum you might look at, too
> http://retouchpro.com
>
> And there is only a ba-zillion tutorials all over the internet.
> (beware of
> overdoses of "Cuteness". If I see another teddy bear or sparkly fairy,
> I
> might get sick)
>
> For learning to use the tools available to you in PSP, the best
> mentors are
> right here in these news groups. Read all the old posts that pertain
> to the
> tools you are learning and ask and someone will help.
>
> But as far as being hopeless, that depends on how much time and effort
> that
> the image is worth to you. If you give up, it's hopeless.
>
> Take care and don't worry, I'm a "Grahs Hoppa", too. And PSP has been
> an
> adventure in learning.
> Keith
>
>
>
>
> "Jeff" <jeff@naol.com> wrote in message news:464bcd61$1_2@cnews...
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"Spandex Rutabaga" <SpRu@agabatur.xednaps> wrote in message
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> Jeff wrote:
>
> You are going to have to colorize by hand and not use some magic
> photo fixer. Here's why. The hair on the woman's head (which was
> presumably blonde) has an highlight region with RGB 236, 210, 135.
> Meanwhile, a region of the face, which was a healthy pink has RGB
> 234, 203, 130. These are virtually identical colors. We can
> manipulate your image as a whole to make the hair blond or the
> face pink. However, we can't simultaneously make the original
> color blonde in one place and pink in another. To make the same
> color different in different places you need to tell PSP what is
> needed by painting the color on or by filling selections. This is
> called colorizing. The general recipe is to greyscale your image,
> get its contrast right, convert to 16 million colors, add a
> new layer for each region you want to colorize, set the blend
> mode of the added layer to Color (Legacy) and to paint on it
> with the appropriate hue and saturation. The lightness in such
> a situation will be taken from your grey image.
Thank you very much. I'm starting to understand.
I thought that hunting for a possible old negative of the photo in my
basement was going to be too time consuming but I'm starting to see that
it might both yield the best results and be quicker in the long run.
But, I would not have learned all the techniques that I am getting a
"glimpse" of from you experts. Thanks!
Jeff
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