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Need help creating a "Click absolutely ANYWHERE on this page" link for an HTML

STILL LEARNING

2007-02-07, 6:24 pm

I'm not sure if this can even be done, but what prompts the question
is my desire to be able to create an "Uber Link" script/code of some
sort, such that even if the html page contains nothing but a
background image -or- a background color -- in other words, the page
has neither content nor placed images -- any click, ANYWHERE, will
launch the URL in your browser.

I realize I can make traditional text links and graphics links; what
I'm looking for is to be paroled from these . . . and making the
entire page, whether empty or not, one big CLICK.

Thanks.

SL

Michael Vilain

2007-02-07, 6:24 pm

In article <1170888049.305499.93770@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com>,
"STILL LEARNING" <byte.this@usa.net> wrote:

> I'm not sure if this can even be done, but what prompts the question
> is my desire to be able to create an "Uber Link" script/code of some
> sort, such that even if the html page contains nothing but a
> background image -or- a background color -- in other words, the page
> has neither content nor placed images -- any click, ANYWHERE, will
> launch the URL in your browser.
>
> I realize I can make traditional text links and graphics links; what
> I'm looking for is to be paroled from these . . . and making the
> entire page, whether empty or not, one big CLICK.
>
> Thanks.
>
> SL

Don't think you can do this. A link must be associated with an object.
Usually that's text. If you did something like this, it would *NOT* go
over well with most visitors to your site.

Rethink your approach. This one isn't going to fly and if it did,
people won't like it.

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Benjamin Niemann

2007-02-07, 6:24 pm

Hello,

STILL LEARNING wrote:

> I'm not sure if this can even be done, but what prompts the question
> is my desire to be able to create an "Uber Link" script/code of some
> sort, such that even if the html page contains nothing but a
> background image -or- a background color -- in other words, the page
> has neither content nor placed images -- any click, ANYWHERE, will
> launch the URL in your browser.
>
> I realize I can make traditional text links and graphics links; what
> I'm looking for is to be paroled from these . . . and making the
> entire page, whether empty or not, one big CLICK.

Can't image a good usecase for this, but feel free to enlighten me...

You could place a link (preferably with meaningful text for users
non-graphic browsers, i.e. where the user does not "click" or there is
not "entire page") on the page.

<a id="biglink" href="..">Let strange things happen</a>

Then apply the following CSS

#biglink {
display: block;
width: 100%;
height: 100%;
text-indent: -2000px; /* to move the text out of the visible area */
}

you'll also need

html, body {
height: 100%; /* or the height property above will not work */
margin: 0; /* to avoid scrollbars */
padding: 0;
}

HTH

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Randy Webb

2007-02-07, 10:16 pm

STILL LEARNING said the following on 2/7/2007 5:40 PM:

[Followup-To set to comp.lang.javascript]

> I'm not sure if this can even be done, but what prompts the question
> is my desire to be able to create an "Uber Link" script/code of some
> sort, such that even if the html page contains nothing but a
> background image -or- a background color -- in other words, the page
> has neither content nor placed images -- any click, ANYWHERE, will
> launch the URL in your browser.
>
> I realize I can make traditional text links and graphics links; what
> I'm looking for is to be paroled from these . . . and making the
> entire page, whether empty or not, one big CLICK.

<body onclick="goThere('someURL')">

function goThere(URL){
alert('This is going to be really ANNOYING');
document.location.href = URL;
}

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dorayme

2007-02-07, 10:16 pm

In article
<1170888049.305499.93770@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com>,
"STILL LEARNING" <byte.this@usa.net> wrote:

> I realize I can make traditional text links and graphics links; what
> I'm looking for is to be paroled from these . . . and making the
> entire page, whether empty or not, one big CLICK.

What does paroled mean here? You can make a clear gif and set the
width and height of it in the css to 100% and it can be a link.
Is this parolling?

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dorayme

STILL LEARNING

2007-02-07, 10:16 pm

On Feb 7, 4:42 pm, dorayme <doraymeRidT...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> You can make a clear gif and set the width and height of it in the
> css to 100% and it can be a link.

Using which Tags? (sorry, I don't do much CSS and I don't understand
how this is different from simply creating a graphic that links)

SL

dorayme

2007-02-07, 10:16 pm

In article
<1170899347.918264.86020@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
"STILL LEARNING" <byte.this@usa.net> wrote:

> On Feb 7, 4:42 pm, dorayme <doraymeRidT...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> Using which Tags? (sorry, I don't do much CSS and I don't understand
> how this is different from simply creating a graphic that links)

<http://members.optushome.com.au/dro...AsBigCanBe.html>

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pcx99

2007-02-08, 6:21 pm

STILL LEARNING wrote:
> I'm not sure if this can even be done, but what prompts the question
> is my desire to be able to create an "Uber Link" script/code of some
> sort, such that even if the html page contains nothing but a
> background image -or- a background color -- in other words, the page
> has neither content nor placed images -- any click, ANYWHERE, will
> launch the URL in your browser.
>
> I realize I can make traditional text links and graphics links; what
> I'm looking for is to be paroled from these . . . and making the
> entire page, whether empty or not, one big CLICK.
>
> Thanks.
>
> SL
>

document.onclick=function () {
document.location.href="http://someurl.com"; }

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Harlan Messinger

2007-02-08, 6:21 pm

STILL LEARNING wrote:
> I'm not sure if this can even be done, but what prompts the question
> is my desire to be able to create an "Uber Link" script/code of some
> sort, such that even if the html page contains nothing but a
> background image -or- a background color -- in other words, the page
> has neither content nor placed images -- any click, ANYWHERE, will
> launch the URL in your browser.
>
> I realize I can make traditional text links and graphics links; what
> I'm looking for is to be paroled from these . . . and making the
> entire page, whether empty or not, one big CLICK.

By being "paroled" from text and graphics links, your must be intent on
moving to the next step: guesswork and psychic phenomena. The percentage
of your users who will figure out that they're supposed to click on an
empty area of the page to proceed to the place you want them to go will
be vastly smaller than the percentage who will be completely perplexed,
figure your page is broken or that there *is* nothing else on your site,
and will leave.

STILL LEARNING

2007-02-08, 6:21 pm

On Feb 7, 7:15 pm, dorayme <doraymeRidT...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> <http://members.optushome.com.au/dro...AsBigCanBe.html>

dorayme (and anyone else reading this thread) this is precisely the
effect I was looking for. I have another question about the
"clear.gif" that we're using in this example:

I want to be able to specify which of my directories this little image
will be in, as opposed to being dependent on "the image is relative to
the location" option -- in other words, I want to be free to assign a
different directory at my discretion. Right now, the anchor reads
simply

<a href="somewhere.html"><img id="bigAsBigCanBe" src="clear.gif"
alt="nothing much at all"></a>

so if I wanted to specify a particular directory, could I do so
modifying just this one line? or would I have to add additional
line(s) referencing clear.gif's directory location? Example (and
please note I've modified the alt text language ;) . . .

<a href="somewhere.html"><img id="bigAsBigCanBe" src="http://
www.MYHOMEPAGE/ONEofmyDIRECTORIES/T...ctory/clear.gif"
alt="Click Absolutely ANYWHERE On This Page To Visit My Homepage!"></
a>

Thanks again dorayme (I just figured out your nickname hee hee,
cute ;)

SL'in

STILL LEARNING

2007-02-08, 6:21 pm

On Feb 8, 6:15 am, "Kevin" <kbd...@XXXXXXXXXX> wrote:
> Sample solution: (tested on firefox/linux, should work on other
> browsers)

Kevin, thank you for this solution, very nice. The only drawback I
can see here is if someone (inadvertently or deliberately, go figure)
turned OFF their Java, this wouldn't work. I think you can agree,
it's best to keep this solution as cross-browser + HTML _durable_ (and
simple) as we can make it.

Otherwise, a very nice solution.

SL'in

STILL LEARNING

2007-02-08, 6:21 pm

On Feb 8, 6:36 am, pcx99 <x...@x.com> wrote:
>
> document.onclick=function () {
> document.location.href="http://someurl.com"; }

pcx99, forgive my ignorance but . . . what is this? Javascript? It's
quite elegant and I like it, but I'm not sure where it would go or if
it might be fussy (eg cross-browser compatible).

Very elegant, and this is easily the best solution -- both for
simplicity and size -- but only if it is not fussy. Could you
elaborate a bit? Does this go BEFORE the </HEAD> -or- AFTER the
<BODY> tag? Thank you pcx99. :)

SL'in

STILL LEARNING

2007-02-08, 6:21 pm

Oh and, I forgot to add . . . this solution has got to work with
frames in IEx. I remember years ago when I designed a custom page
counter I had a devil of a time with Explorer's frames.

SL'in

John

2007-02-08, 6:21 pm

"STILL LEARNING" <byte.this@usa.net> wrote in message
news:1170947960.533878.199830@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com...

> Kevin, thank you for this solution, very nice. The only drawback I
> can see here is if someone (inadvertently or deliberately, go figure)
> turned OFF their Java, this wouldn't work. I think you can agree,
> it's best to keep this solution as cross-browser + HTML _durable_ (and
> simple) as we can make it.
>
> Otherwise, a very nice solution.

So if you don't want a JavaScript solution, why did you post to
c.a.javascript?

And BTW, Java is not the same as JavaScript, despite the shared letters.

--
John

pcx99

2007-02-08, 6:21 pm

STILL LEARNING wrote:
> On Feb 8, 6:36 am, pcx99 <x...@x.com> wrote:
>
> pcx99, forgive my ignorance but . . . what is this? Javascript? It's
> quite elegant and I like it, but I'm not sure where it would go or if
> it might be fussy (eg cross-browser compatible).
>
> Very elegant, and this is easily the best solution -- both for
> simplicity and size -- but only if it is not fussy. Could you
> elaborate a bit? Does this go BEFORE the </HEAD> -or- AFTER the
> <BODY> tag? Thank you pcx99. :)
>
> SL'in
>

Yes this is javascript. It can go anywhere on your page. Here's the
full text you'll need to insert.

<script type="text/javascript">
document.onclick=function ()
{document.location.href="http://someurl.com";}
</script>

This will over-ride any other links you would have on the page. If the
user clicks anywhere, regardless of where or what he or she clicks it
will call this script (unless the user has javascript disabled, in which
case nothing would happen).

Sorry for not being clearer in the original post. I had not noticed it
was cross-linked.

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Jonathan N. Little

2007-02-08, 6:21 pm

Harlan Messinger wrote:
> STILL LEARNING wrote:
>
> By being "paroled" from text and graphics links, your must be intent on
> moving to the next step: guesswork and psychic phenomena. The percentage
> of your users who will figure out that they're supposed to click on an
> empty area of the page to proceed to the place you want them to go will
> be vastly smaller than the percentage who will be completely perplexed,
> figure your page is broken or that there *is* nothing else on your site,
> and will leave.

Agree! Most folks don;t like playing "...and behind door number 3..."
with links. Sounds like an awful idea.

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Jonathan
-------------------
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http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

STILL LEARNING

2007-02-08, 6:21 pm

On Feb 8, 7:47 am, "John" <J...@Hosking.name> wrote:
>
> So if you don't want a JavaScript solution, why did you post to
> c.a.javascript?
>
> And BTW, Java is not the same as JavaScript, despite the shared letters.

Well, to be perfectly frank I find the level of creativity in this
forum quite robust. As the length of this thread indicates, there is
more than one way to approach this objective (although I confess I
didn't fully think through the cross-browser + "friendly" issues
before first diving in). In any event, I think I can be forgiven
acknowledging the native creativity of the Javascript forum. Anything
you might lose to conspiratorial impulses you more than make up for in
knowledge ha ha.

Folks, no one is trying to hack (anyone, anywhere) with this request.
This is about emailing my 96-year old grandmother a (stock) graphic
that says "I've got new pictures Nana, click ANYWHERE in this window
and it will send you to the latest installment." She's not exactly
steady with a mouse, so this is a (somewhat) forgiving method of
giving her a wwwwwiiiiidddddeeeee berth to click.

And to answer the question burning in everyone's mind ("Why don't you
just make the graphic a link in the first place???"), I'm having
trouble getting it to send properly through my email client (or she's
got trouble on her end? damned if I know) because the graphic keeps
showing up on her end as an ATTACHMENT that she would have to open
separately.

So (sorry, this is kind of long lol) I tested another way to send this
"CLICK ANYWHERE" graphic -- as a >>BACKGROUND image -- and it sent
through my (old, I confess) email program just fine . . . but there's
just one little problem: I don't have any method through my email
program to control the purpose of that background image -- namely, to
make the entire thing One Big Click. It just sits there, you see.

Then we attempt "dorayme's" solution (it works a charm btw Do, a very
nice thing to have learned, thank you!) and . . . oh hell, here we go
again! :( The "clear.gif" is sent as an >>ATTACHMENT. Again, I'm
sorry this is such a soap opera but . . . well, don't read it if it's
too lengthy. I don't blame you; I'm ready to toss the whole project
lol.

Finally, if some of you are about to strongly recommend that I get a
new email program, I hear you. Unfortunately I just love the one I'm
using (it's "Calypso" not that anyone has ever heard it lol). This
being the one and only reason I would have need to change to a
different email program, I just have to weigh if it is that important
to me. I even tried dropping the html into Netscape and sending it to
myself to see if it would work, but I run into the same problem:
These email programs obviously alter (any) HTML in the course of
formatting something for email.

It's interesting because I've never realized this before, but . . . I
gather there IS no way to "Send" (email) an HTML page -- I mean, the
page itself, not a link referring to the page (or at least, I don't
know of any way to do it).

SL'in

Mumia W. (NOSPAM)

2007-02-08, 6:21 pm

On 02/08/2007 12:35 PM, STILL LEARNING wrote:
> [...] I even tried dropping the html into Netscape and sending it to
> myself to see if it would work, but I run into the same problem:
> These email programs obviously alter (any) HTML in the course of
> formatting something for email.
>
> It's interesting because I've never realized this before, but . . . I
> gather there IS no way to "Send" (email) an HTML page -- I mean, the
> page itself, not a link referring to the page (or at least, I don't
> know of any way to do it).
>
> SL'in
>

(Followups set to comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html)

Can you put the image on the web and create an IMG element that uses
that image? E.g.

<IMG src="http://my.homepages.example.com/~SLin/image.jpg" alt="Click
anywhere">

You would only send the HTML text in the e-mail, but the image would
reside on your website.

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Jonathan N. Little

2007-02-08, 6:21 pm

STILL LEARNING wrote:
<snip>
> Folks, no one is trying to hack (anyone, anywhere) with this request.
> This is about emailing my 96-year old grandmother a (stock) graphic
> that says "I've got new pictures Nana, click ANYWHERE in this window
> and it will send you to the latest installment." She's not exactly
> steady with a mouse, so this is a (somewhat) forgiving method of
> giving her a wwwwwiiiiidddddeeeee berth to click.
>
> And to answer the question burning in everyone's mind ("Why don't you
> just make the graphic a link in the first place???"), I'm having
> trouble getting it to send properly through my email client (or she's
> got trouble on her end? damned if I know) because the graphic keeps
> showing up on her end as an ATTACHMENT that she would have to open
> separately.

Whoa, right there! don't try to do this in an email. Put pics online,
even a free-server and send dear old Nana a link to the online source.
Aside of the security issues that may be blocking your effort here email
must encode your binary image data to transmit so images on any size
balloon in size...use a webserver and send via http.

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Jonathan
-------------------
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dorayme

2007-02-08, 6:21 pm

In article <530setF1puunuU1@mid.individual.net>,
Harlan Messinger <hmessinger.removethis@comcast.net> wrote:

> STILL LEARNING wrote:

>
> The percentage
> of your users who will figure out that they're supposed to click on an
> empty area of the page to proceed to the place you want them to go will
> be vastly smaller than the percentage who will be completely perplexed,
> figure your page is broken or that there *is* nothing else on your site,
> and will leave.

Maybe that is what is wanted by OP and you cannot know what his
or her intent or purpose is. Maybe it is only the minority you
imagine that is wanted by the OP to "go through" to wherever.

[btw, wanna a little side bet, Harlan, on the percentage? I
figure if people see a hand icon with finger pointing, more will
click than you might wager on and I will clean up. You can give
me odds if you still don't believe it.]

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STILL LEARNING

2007-02-08, 6:21 pm

On Feb 8, 12:55 pm, "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4...@centralva.net>
wrote:
>
> Whoa, right there! don't try to do this in an email. Put pics online,
> even a free-server and send dear old Nana a link to the online source.
> Aside of the security issues that may be blocking your effort here email
> must encode your binary image data to transmit so images on any size
> balloon in size...use a webserver and send via http.

Oh the pics are online alright, I just want to give her a super comfy
way to get to them. I've finally gotten her to the point where she
"gets" (understands) (uh, sort of heh) email. I'm just trying to
spare her having to land that naughty cursor with a shaky hand (a
problem compounded by her eyesight and arthritis). I take your point
about encoding the background graphic, but let's stay on the same page
here: It is the stock "Click Me Anywhere" graphic that would be
emailed (not my GIGANTIC pictures). The graphic that is emailed
doesn't need to be physically large, it just needs to H.O.G. the
entire screen (as dorayme has effectively demonstrated).

When she clicks it, THEN she gets over to the big stuff (resident in a
directory on my home page). Believe me, I would never email these
pictures. I do have some regard for bandwidth believe it or not
lol. ;)

SL'in

Sherm Pendley

2007-02-08, 6:21 pm

"STILL LEARNING" <byte.this@usa.net> writes:

> Oh the pics are online alright, I just want to give her a super comfy
> way to get to them. I've finally gotten her to the point where she
> "gets" (understands) (uh, sort of heh) email. I'm just trying to
> spare her having to land that naughty cursor with a shaky hand

Completely off-topic, but I hope it's forgivable since I'm trying to help
someone's arthritic grandma! :-)

Have you had her try using a trackball instead of a mouse? The reason being,
I've noticed that for a lot of older folks, the "click" motion isn't entirely
separated from the mouse-moving motion, and a click results in the pointer
moving a bit.

With a trackball you can lift your thumb (or whatever digit you're using)
from the ball to freeze the pointer in place while you're clicking the
button.

sherm--

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Jonathan N. Little

2007-02-08, 6:21 pm

STILL LEARNING wrote:
> On Feb 8, 12:55 pm, "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4...@centralva.net>
> wrote:
>
> Oh the pics are online alright, I just want to give her a super comfy
> way to get to them. I've finally gotten her to the point where she
> "gets" (understands) (uh, sort of heh) email. I'm just trying to
> spare her having to land that naughty cursor with a shaky hand (a
> problem compounded by her eyesight and arthritis). I take your point
> about encoding the background graphic, but let's stay on the same page
> here: It is the stock "Click Me Anywhere" graphic that would be
> emailed (not my GIGANTIC pictures). The graphic that is emailed
> doesn't need to be physically large, it just needs to H.O.G. the
> entire screen (as dorayme has effectively demonstrated).
>

Why should your email need to click at all? It is not a webpage. Either
attached more than one image per email and she can scroll via the good
old down-arrow key (or scroll wheels are nice) Or send here successive
emails with a picture in each and the good old 'n' key moves to the nest
email!

Your main problem is trying to use email as a webpage. Bad idea.

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Scott Bryce

2007-02-08, 10:17 pm

STILL LEARNING wrote:

> I'm just trying to
> spare her having to land that naughty cursor with a shaky hand (a
> problem compounded by her eyesight and arthritis).

Then you don't need the entire window clickable. You just need a big
target to click on. Since you are sending HTML anyway, why not style the
"click Here" to be big enough that she couldn't possibly miss?

Jim Land

2007-02-08, 10:17 pm

Scott Bryce <sbryce@scottbryce.com> wrote in
news:Yd6dnVBvJvx8IVbYnZ2dnUVZ_vWtnZ2d@comcast.com:

> STILL LEARNING wrote:
>
>
> Then you don't need the entire window clickable. You just need a big
> target to click on. Since you are sending HTML anyway, why not style
the
> "click Here" to be big enough that she couldn't possibly miss?

If "Calypso" won't let you scale the text height big enough, fill the
email with a hundred links to your site. Good enough, eh?

STILL LEARNING

2007-02-09, 3:22 am

On Feb 8, 1:53 pm, Sherm Pendley <spamt...@dot-app.org> wrote:
> Completely off-topic, but I hope it's forgivable since I'm trying to help
> someone's arthritic grandma! :-)
>
> Have you had her try using a trackball instead of a mouse? The reason being,
> I've noticed that for a lot of older folks, the "click" motion isn't entirely
> separated from the mouse-moving motion, and a click results in the pointer
> moving a bit.
>
> With a trackball you can lift your thumb (or whatever digit you're using)
> from the ball to freeze the pointer in place while you're clicking the
> button.
>
> sherm--

Aww. Your mother must be proud of you honey! :) Yessir, I've only
got one Nana left, and she's an original.

She won't use a trackball. Don't even ask! She also will NOT use the
(she calls it the "Cripple" button -- meaning, the features that
ENLARGE type etc., thereby making life a lot easier for her long-
suffering granddaughter, amonst other people lol -- the icon with the
wheelchair thingy in the Control Panel) (she is herself of course in a
wheelchair ) (don't get me started lol).

Look folks, I just wanted to see if there was a way to "fill" the
available space of an email window with a solid graphic that I can
make that says, "Okay Nana, click ANYWHERE in this window -- don't
worry about fumbling with your cursor, just get it in the window
_somewhere_ and click that bad boy." I used to send her emails in
gigantic type size and got read the riot act for my trouble.

"I assure you I can READ young lady, you don't need to (snip) ~"

Sound familiar? Anyone else having loads of fun dealing with a feisty
90-Something? ha ha Yes, well. You'll be in your 90's too some day,
God willing!

But I am exploring something that looks intriguing:
Ace HTML Free has a feature that will let you (allegedly) -->>email
the BODY of an html document from within Ace. The key word here is
the BODY of the html is mailed, not merely sent as an attachment
(which I can already do right now).

It of course doesn't work (groan, what else is new) but I am
researching this. It may be looking for Outlook, which I don't use,
but we'll see. Honestly, if anyone knows of a program that can pull
raw HTML into an email client, display it, and then send it . . . I'd
appreciate knowing about it, since there is no apparent "Do It
Yourself" solution.

SL'in

STILL LEARNING

2007-02-09, 3:22 am

On Feb 8, 7:00 pm, Jim Land <RrrrFfffTttt(NO)@(SPAM)hotmail.com>
wrote:
> If "Calypso" won't let you scale the text height big enough, fill the
> email with a hundred links to your site. Good enough, eh?

ha ha. practical, NOT elegant.

I want elegant.

To be continued . . .

SL'in

Harlan Messinger

2007-02-09, 6:20 pm

dorayme wrote:
> Maybe that is what is wanted by OP and you cannot know what his
> or her intent or purpose is. Maybe it is only the minority you
> imagine that is wanted by the OP to "go through" to wherever.

I see. The worthy initiates, as it were. Those who grasp the Zen of it all.

>
> [btw, wanna a little side bet, Harlan, on the percentage? I
> figure if people see a hand icon with finger pointing, more will
> click than you might wager on and I will clean up. You can give
> me odds if you still don't believe it.]
>
An intriguing wager, but I'll decline. :-)

dorayme

2007-02-09, 6:20 pm

In article <533go2F1r5qnjU1@mid.individual.net>,
Harlan Messinger <hmessinger.removethis@comcast.net> wrote:

> dorayme wrote:
>
> I see. The worthy initiates, as it were. Those who grasp the Zen of it all.
>

Yes, you put it very well! The canonical dogma of this church is
that everything a website maker does should have the ultimate aim
of being as accessible as possible to the great unwashed masses,
that everything should be as clear as a bell, everything
transparent. If something is to be restricted, make it a login
directory, otherwise it's for every person and his dog. Bullshit!
Blessed is the obscurantist website maker. I say, let out the
lurking Buddhist in the html/css heart.

> An intriguing wager, but I'll decline. :-)

--
dorayme

STILL LEARNING

2007-02-10, 3:16 am

On Feb 9, 12:57 pm, dorayme <doraymeRidT...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> Yes, you put it very well! The canonical dogma of this church is
> that everything a website maker does should have the ultimate aim
> of being as accessible as possible to the great unwashed masses,
> that everything should be as clear as a bell, everything
> transparent. If something is to be restricted, make it a login
> directory, otherwise it's for every person and his dog. Bullshit!
> Blessed is the obscurantist website maker. I say, let out the
> lurking Buddhist in the html/css heart.

I was with you Do . . . up until "Bullshit!" Feel free to call me
corny, but I do think that for _some people_ (not me, not you,
probably not most of the folk reading this NG) anything COMPUTER has
to be dumbed down. And, really, I don't even like my choice of words
("dumbed" down) because it implies a value judgment. My gram was born
in a completely different era, but it's because I love her so much
that I will bend over backwards to make her computer screen act as
much like a television set as possible lol. Okay, you can laugh. Her
remote control is her mouse; her TV screen is her monitor.

IT WORKS ha ha.

But I didn't report back in for no reason guys, I actually found a
solution and I thought I'd pass it on.

I located a program called "HANDY MAILER" http://www.bulkemailsoft.com
and it is a lovely email program that not only works, for someone like
me who might send the staggering volume of nine HTML-EMAILS a year to
my grandmother, it generously allows me to use the program without
having to pay for it.

I put it through its paces and rifled off a dozen or so emails just to
assure myself that the HTML that I imported into Handy Mailer didn't
suffer a "sex change" upon being pulled into Calypso. They function
exactly as they would on an html page, and she has a big BEAUTIFUL
area to click on to get to me. :)

I'd better not hear a peep out of her dammit lol.

SL'in

dorayme

2007-02-10, 6:17 pm

In article
<1171081584.073908.98400@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"STILL LEARNING" <byte.this@usa.net> wrote:

> On Feb 9, 12:57 pm, dorayme <doraymeRidT...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> I was with you Do . . . up until "Bullshit!" Feel free to call me
> corny, but I do think that for _some people_ (not me, not you,
> probably not most of the folk reading this NG) anything COMPUTER has
> to be dumbed down. And, really, I don't even like my choice of words
> ("dumbed" down) because it implies a value judgment. My gram was born
> in a completely different era, but it's because I love her so much
> that I will bend over backwards to make her computer screen act as
> much like a television set as possible lol. Okay, you can laugh. Her
> remote control is her mouse; her TV screen is her monitor.

Lets get one thing clear, Still Learning, I am not laughing at
you. Even the most cynical of hearts could not find fault with
your sweet and thoughtful attempts at communication with your
grandma. And I am pleased at your solving the problem you started
with.

I am not sure what is wrong with value judgements? Personally, I
go in for them big time - like in this case where I give the
priesthood here a little friendly whack...

--
dorayme

Dr J R Stockton

2007-02-10, 6:17 pm

In comp.lang.javascript message <1170888049.305499.93770@j27g2000cwj.googleg
roups.com>, Wed, 7 Feb 2007 14:40:49, STILL LEARNING <byte.this@usa.net>
posted:

>I realize I can make traditional text links and graphics links; what
>I'm looking for is to be paroled from these . . . and making the
>entire page, whether empty or not, one big CLICK.

<body
onClick="window.location.href = 'http://www.jibbering.com/faq/index.html'">
XXX
</body>

might amaze the ancestor.

It's a good idea to read the newsgroup and its FAQ. See below.

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