Paint Shop Pro support

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PLine32

Dave Symes

2006-12-06, 7:59 pm

Okay DJJ, we've traded a few choice words in fun, but now I have a couple
of serious questions... And I am quite serious, no shit about this at all.

I've just reinstalled PL32 Version 13.02 and am again having a play with
it to see how I find it.

Previously I'd installed it (twice) and only had a cursory play with it,
this time I'm being serious. :-)

Q1 Is there a configuration option that I can set, to control the Browser
and allow the image being worked on the display in front of it (The
browser)?

Q2) Is there an option like in PSP to configure the toolbars... To put
tools in the particular order that I like them in, or remove them from a
toolbar?

Q3) How do I get the browser to display PSP(image) thumbnails, as probably
80 percent of my stored images are in the PSPImage format. (We are talking
a large number of thousands, so converting is not an option.

Q4) In the help is says there is a "Healing brush" where is it hiding, I
cannot find any Healing brush?

Q5) Where's the background eraser, I can neither fird reference to it, or
the actual tool?

Cheers
Dave S

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RonV

2006-12-06, 7:59 pm

On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 19:54:51 +0000 (GMT), Dave Symes
<dfs@ukgateway.net> wrote:

>Okay DJJ, we've traded a few choice words in fun, but now I have a couple
>of serious questions... And I am quite serious, no shit about this at all.

I'm not DJJ, but perhaps I can help with a few things.
>
>I've just reinstalled PL32 Version 13.02 and am again having a play with
>it to see how I find it.
>
>Previously I'd installed it (twice) and only had a cursory play with it,
>this time I'm being serious. :-)
>
>Q1 Is there a configuration option that I can set, to control the Browser
>and allow the image being worked on the display in front of it (The
>browser)?

I don't think you can control the Browser overlaying the current
images, but you can set an option to control the Browser when you open
an image. File>Options>Browse>Settings and select one of the 'Action
after Opening' selections. One of the options is to minimize after
opening an image.

>Q2) Is there an option like in PSP to configure the toolbars... To put
>tools in the particular order that I like them in, or remove them from a
>toolbar?
I've been looking for this, myself.

>Q3) How do I get the browser to display PSP(image) thumbnails, as probably
>80 percent of my stored images are in the PSPImage format. (We are talking
>a large number of thousands, so converting is not an option.

I don't think that PL supports the PSP image format at all. You'll
need to convert to a supported image format.

>Q4) In the help is says there is a "Healing brush" where is it hiding, I
>cannot find any Healing brush?

Paired with the 'Copy Brush' (clone).

>Q5) Where's the background eraser, I can neither fird reference to it, or
>the actual tool?

Use help to find "Autorubber".

>
>Cheers
>Dave S

It's an interesting program, and has many features that I'd wish in
PSP or PS. It's still a little clunky in the UI, and definitely needs
a better English translation and descriptions, but quite nice
otherwise. (in spite of how one views DJJ)

Ron

Dave Symes

2006-12-06, 7:59 pm

In article <04ajm2toq3kb6cccmihqd5ir5s7abui917@4ax.com>,
RonV <RonVick@Nospam.com> wrote:

[Snippy]

> It's an interesting program, and has many features that I'd wish in
> PSP or PS. It's still a little clunky in the UI, and definitely needs
> a better English translation and descriptions, but quite nice
> otherwise. (in spite of how one views DJJ)

> Ron

Thanks for those notes Ron, I'll have a play later.

Cheers
Dave S

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DJJohnson

2006-12-06, 7:59 pm

"Dave Symes" <dfs@ukgateway.net> wrote in message
news:4e8b77bc93dfs@ukgateway.net...
> Okay DJJ, we've traded a few choice words in fun, but now I have a
> couple
> of serious questions... And I am quite serious, no shit about this
> at all.
>
> I've just reinstalled PL32 Version 13.02 and am again having a play
> with
> it to see how I find it.
>
> Previously I'd installed it (twice) and only had a cursory play with
> it,
> this time I'm being serious. :-)
>
>
> Q2) Is there an option like in PSP to configure the toolbars... To
> put
> tools in the particular order that I like them in, or remove them
> from a
> toolbar?
>

Been away, busy life.

You can drag and drop any toobars, dialogs, lists (View menu),
undocked or docked to any border of your workspace. Position your
mouse an any small empty area of any toolbar, usually the small space
at the top or left-edge. Or in the case of Lists and Dialogs then the
panel's title-bar. Click and drag, drop. Read the Help file for
information about keypresses to avoid them sticking where you did not
intend. (I don't have that problem and I'm not going to re-read the
whole help file for you, but I saw it mentioned.) All Dialogs and
Lists can be resized, even the drop-down panels, such as the color,
blend, patterns, panel.

Every (and I do mean every) function in the program, including your
own recorded "actions" and any plug-ins can be added to any toolbar
from Edit, Options, Usage, Toolbars. As well as Conext Menus and
Keyboard shortcut assignments.

Yes, the interface is a rough, I've never declared it wasn't. I look
at tools for what they can accomplish not how pretty they are. I'm
never swayed by cheap makeup and perfume. If I compare PL32 to
PhotoShop (let alone PSP), even if I already didn't like PhotoShop I'd
still pick PL32 for its capabilities above and beyond what PhotoShop
can ever do.

Nice to see that you are making the effort. And it does take some
effort with this one. The more you find out what PL32 can do, the more
you'll wonder why you haven't heard of it before. That cross-reference
list that I often post for others to refer to hasn't even begun to
start on the animation and multi-page document capabilities, let alone
charts and .... well, you get the hint. It's like a complex but
efficient Japanese Puzzle-box, each time you find something new hiding
on a new right-click or menu option you hadn't spotted or used before.

Read the help file. It'll make you want to go discover and try most
everything it mentions.

Dave Symes

2006-12-06, 7:59 pm

In article <12mq0oc8llt4t8d@corp.supernews.com>,
DJJohnson <myemail@myserver.com> wrote:

> "Dave Symes" <dfs@ukgateway.net> wrote in message
> news:4e8b77bc93dfs@ukgateway.net...
[color=darkred]
> Been away, busy life.

> You can drag and drop any toobars, dialogs, lists (View menu),
> undocked or docked to any border of your workspace. Position your
> mouse an any small empty area of any toolbar, usually the small space
> at the top or left-edge. Or in the case of Lists and Dialogs then the
> panel's title-bar. Click and drag, drop. Read the Help file for
> information about keypresses to avoid them sticking where you did not
> intend. (I don't have that problem and I'm not going to re-read the
> whole help file for you, but I saw it mentioned.) All Dialogs and
> Lists can be resized, even the drop-down panels, such as the color,
> blend, patterns, panel.

Okay.

> Every (and I do mean every) function in the program, including your
> own recorded "actions" and any plug-ins can be added to any toolbar
> from Edit, Options, Usage, Toolbars. As well as Conext Menus and
> Keyboard shortcut assignments.

Okay.

> Yes, the interface is a rough, I've never declared it wasn't. I look
> at tools for what they can accomplish not how pretty they are. I'm
> never swayed by cheap makeup and perfume. If I compare PL32 to
> PhotoShop (let alone PSP), even if I already didn't like PhotoShop I'd
> still pick PL32 for its capabilities above and beyond what PhotoShop
> can ever do.

Now that's plain silly, only a mad or sad person would say that PL32 was
anyway more capable than Photoshop.

> Nice to see that you are making the effort. And it does take some
> effort with this one. The more you find out what PL32 can do, the more
> you'll wonder why you haven't heard of it before. That cross-reference
> list that I often post for others to refer to hasn't even begun to
> start on the animation and multi-page document capabilities, let alone
> charts and .... well, you get the hint. It's like a complex but
> efficient Japanese Puzzle-box, each time you find something new hiding
> on a new right-click or menu option you hadn't spotted or used before.

Unfortunately, the more I use it the less I like it.

> Read the help file. It'll make you want to go discover and try most
> everything it mentions.

The help file is about as much use as a poke in the eye with a sherp stick.

There were a few questions I asked that remain unanswered.

Q1 Is there a configuration option that I can set, to control the Browser
and allow the image being worked on the display in front of it (The
browser)?
At present for lack of anything better I have it set to minimise when an
image is present for editing, but that's not what I want or need... The
browser must remain in screen and behind the working image.

Q3) How do I get the browser to display PSP(image) thumbnails, as probably
80 percent of my stored images are in the PSPImage format. (We are talking
a large number of thousands, so converting is *not* an option.

Q4) In the help is says there is a "Healing brush" where is it hiding, I
cannot find any Healing brush?

Q5) Where's the background eraser, I can neither find reference to it, or
the actual tool?

Cheers
Dave S

--

DJJohnson

2006-12-06, 7:59 pm

"Dave Symes" <dfs@ukgateway.net> wrote in message
news:4e8d83277adfs@ukgateway.net...
>
> Unfortunately, the more I use it the less I like it.
>

And yet, everyone puts up with PSP's incessant crashes, tool
limitations, waiting years for bug-fixes that never happen, on
ad-infinauseum. I guess it's all how one chooses to look at things.

>
> The help file is about as much use as a poke in the eye with a sherp
> stick.

I would think for someone like you, who doesn't like to read help
files, that you would finally find this one challenging enough to turn
it into another fun exercise in learning and trying to see things from
another's point of view. I had great fun with the help file. How come
you don't?

>
> There were a few questions I asked that remain unanswered.
>
> Q1 Is there a configuration option that I can set, to control the
> Browser
> and allow the image being worked on the display in front of it (The
> browser)?
> At present for lack of anything better I have it set to minimise
> when an
> image is present for editing, but that's not what I want or need...
> The
> browser must remain in screen and behind the working image.

Then at present that is your only option unless you use two montors
and put the browser in a separate view. I don't see why one MUST have
both the same size and available if one is only using one of them and
only one of them is visible anyway. But I gues someone who wants to
pick fault with the most meager of things in life would see things
differently. I'm not thus handicapped. I'd rather be productive and
learn new ways of doing things than insist I do things the old way yet
get nothing done.

>
> Q3) How do I get the browser to display PSP(image) thumbnails, as
> probably
> 80 percent of my stored images are in the PSPImage format. (We are
> talking
> a large number of thousands, so converting is *not* an option.

You shouldn't have started out by depending on such a propriatory
format as PSPimage file-types to begin with. But since that is not an
option, your foresight being at fault here, then you will need to
contact the authors of PL32. Others have requested that PL32 support
importing PSP filetypes, and I believe they were strongly considering
it. But last word was it wasn't that important to most of the advanced
users of PL32. I don't doubt though, that if others voiced their
opinions that it might still be considered a new feature. The author
is, after all, working on allowing importation of various programs'
"Tube" filetypes, due to recent requests.

>
> Q4) In the help is says there is a "Healing brush" where is it
> hiding, I
> cannot find any Healing brush?

First of all, make sure your Toolbox Toolbar is showing, the one with
all the lasso, brush, eraser, and other tools showing.

Second, make sure you are not in Vector or Text editing modes. The
ToolBox toolbar only presents those tools that are used for the type
of layer you are working on.

Third, Click and HOLD DOWN the mouse button on the Copy Brush tool.
Then slide your mouse over to the "Repairing Brush", release mouse
button. The Repairing Brush (a.k.a. Healing Brush) is now functioning.
Do not expect any of the tools to follow PSP nor PS tool naming
conventions. As the author once stated when asked this in the past,
"Who named them? God?" I whole hearedly agree with his reply.

When in doubt on what tools are equivalent names and functions, get
the cross-reference list from:

http://www.geocities.com/advanced_p...s_reference.htm

Study it long enough and you might find it easier to follow than some
sections of the help file. Using your familiarity with other software
to lead you to new ways.

>
> Q5) Where's the background eraser, I can neither find reference to
> it, or
> the actual tool?

Repeat steps First and Second above.

Third, Click and HOLD DOWN the mouse button on the Eraser tool.
(Recently renamed to the eraser tool, as it was previously called by
Eurpean conventions, the Rubber. Stop giggling, it's only humorous to
immature Americans. This is why it still appears in the help file as
the Rubber Tool.) Slide the mouse cursor over one icon to the
Auto-Erasor. Release mouse button.

See? This is why I'm really glad that most PSP fans don't like
PhotoLine 32. Can you imagine being inundated with request for silly
1st-grader help like this every day? Wow. Each and every one of these
things you could have found on your own by using the help file or by
at least trying things, instead of waiting around for someone else to
wipe your nose for you. (I would have referenced another body part in
that sentence but I'm being overly kind.)

I found all my answers to the very things you are asking by reading
the help file and trying different things in the program, on my own,
WITHOUT ANYONE'S HELP. Why can't you?