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| N! Xau 2005-02-22, 6:46 pm |
| Hi,
I want to reduce the "importance" of a part of a picture.
E.g. I have an human subject and I want to make it as if I shoot with a
wider diagram,
having the background not in focus.
thx for help
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| Duplicate the layer, add a gaussian blur to the duplicate (how much depends
on the size of your image and the amount of blur you want), erase the parts
you don't want blurred. Or make a selection of the parts you don't want
blurred and press the delete key. Feathering the selection makes it look
more natural. Experiment with the settings and if you don't like it, use the
undo function (CTRL-Z).
Kiri
"N! Xau" <nxauNO_SPAM_PLEASE@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht
news:381q7aF5iuut4U2@individual.net...
> Hi,
>
> I want to reduce the "importance" of a part of a picture.
> E.g. I have an human subject and I want to make it as if I shoot with a
> wider diagram,
> having the background not in focus.
>
> thx for help
>
>
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| Kris Zaklika 2005-02-22, 11:22 pm |
| "N! Xau" wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I want to reduce the "importance" of a part of a picture.
> E.g. I have an human subject and I want to make it as if I shoot with a
> wider diagram,
> having the background not in focus.
To get an answer to a question, you must not only pose the
question but you must also read the answers. Four different
people answered this same question when you asked last
Saturday, Feb 19, 2005, with the subject line "Question".
Please read those answers and, if something is still not
clear, ask about what is confusing you.
> thx for help
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| N! Xau 2005-02-22, 11:22 pm |
|
"Kiri" <kirilavache@hotmail.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:111nel65nd2n647@news.supernews.com...
> Duplicate the layer, add a gaussian blur to the duplicate (how much
depends
> on the size of your image and the amount of blur you want), erase the
parts
> you don't want blurred. Or make a selection of the parts you don't want
> blurred and press the delete key. Feathering the selection makes it look
> more natural. Experiment with the settings and if you don't like it, use
the
> undo function (CTRL-Z).
got it, thanks, you may see the result in sign
I am trying to do the same with a Gif image. All effects appear to be off.
Why?
thanks
--
N! Xau - sovrintendente agli antani upgradati
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http://ilovemiliofede.altervista.org
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| N! Xau 2005-02-22, 11:22 pm |
|
"Kris Zaklika" <Kris.Zaklika@corel.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
> To get an answer to a question, you must not only pose the
> question but you must also read the answers. Four different
> people answered this same question when you asked last
> Saturday, Feb 19, 2005, with the subject line "Question".
Yes, but I don't see my original post nor the answers.
Otherwise I would not post again.
bye
--
N! Xau - sovrintendente agli antani upgradati
la sede del Movimento Salvaguardia e Tutela Cazzate:
http://ilovemiliofede.altervista.org
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| Kris Zaklika 2005-02-22, 11:22 pm |
| "N! Xau" wrote:
>
> "Kris Zaklika" <Kris.Zaklika@corel.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
>
>
> Yes, but I don't see my original post nor the answers.
Yes, but I do, so you simply haven't looked properly.
> Otherwise I would not post again.
Here are all the previous answers for you:
Fred Hiltz:
The effect is called reduced depth of field. Search
http://www.psplinks.com for depth to get some good ideas.
Ron Lacey:
http://graphicssoft.about.com/libra.../ucrl01-dof.htm
Don Stauffer:
Select the person, using freehand/point-to-point selection. Then,
INVERT selection. Now, go to the blur function and blur away.
Kris Zaklika:
Duplicate the image layer. Blur the image. Use the Background
Eraser to erase the blurred subject to expose the unblurred
subject on the layer below.
> bye
>
> --
> N! Xau - sovrintendente agli antani upgradati
>
> la sede del Movimento Salvaguardia e Tutela Cazzate:
> http://ilovemiliofede.altervista.org
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| Kris Zaklika wrote:
> "N! Xau" wrote:
>
>
>
> Yes, but I do, so you simply haven't looked properly.
>
>
>
>
> Here are all the previous answers for you:
>
> Fred Hiltz:
> The effect is called reduced depth of field. Search
> http://www.psplinks.com for depth to get some good ideas.
>
> Ron Lacey:
> http://graphicssoft.about.com/libra.../ucrl01-dof.htm
>
> Don Stauffer:
> Select the person, using freehand/point-to-point selection. Then,
> INVERT selection. Now, go to the blur function and blur away.
>
> Kris Zaklika:
> Duplicate the image layer. Blur the image. Use the Background
> Eraser to erase the blurred subject to expose the unblurred
> subject on the layer below.
> Uni
> Buy some decent, easy to use software, like Adobe's Photoshop Elements
:-)
Uni
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| N! Xau 2005-02-22, 11:22 pm |
|
"Kris Zaklika" <Kris.Zaklika@corel.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
>
> Yes, but I do, so you simply haven't looked properly.
My newserver did not donwload them for some reason.
If you look properly you'd see I am not a newbie on Usenet.
> Here are all the previous answers for you:
Thanks, I already found them on google news.
--
N! Xau - sovrintendente agli antani upgradati
la sede del Movimento Salvaguardia e Tutela Cazzate:
http://ilovemiliofede.altervista.org
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| N! Xau 2005-02-22, 11:22 pm |
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"Uni" <no.email@no.email.invalid> ha scritto nel messaggio
[color=darkred]
Let's put aside for a moment the easiness to use.
Is Adobe PS more functional than PSP?
--
N! Xau - sovrintendente agli antani upgradati
la sede del Movimento Salvaguardia e Tutela Cazzate:
http://ilovemiliofede.altervista.org
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| N! Xau wrote:
> "Uni" <no.email@no.email.invalid> ha scritto nel messaggio
>
>
>
>
> Let's put aside for a moment the easiness to use.
> Is Adobe PS more functional than PSP?
After testing Elements 2, I have no doubt it is more accurate than PSP.
As most claim, PSP is a general purpose application, for grandma and
grandpop. While good, it lacks in accuracy. Dave Symes discovered this,
too, when he tested Elements against PSP.
If you want even more functionality than PSP and Elements, then
Photoshop CS is the way to go. Photoshop CS also runs circles around
PSP, because of its internal memory manager.
Uni
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| All Things Mopar 2005-02-22, 11:22 pm |
| Kris Zaklika commented courteously ...
[snip]
> "N! Xau" wrote:
[color=darkred]
>
> Yes, but I do, so you simply haven't looked properly.
> -------------------------------------
Isn't this a judgement/opinion, not a fact?[color=darkred]
>
Being a little hard on a customer again, who can't see his
posts or yours?
--
ATM, aka Jerry
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| N! Xau wrote:
> "Kris Zaklika" <Kris.Zaklika@corel.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
>
>
>
>
> My newserver did not donwload them for some reason.
> If you look properly you'd see I am not a newbie on Usenet.
Be easy on Kris. He's a bit miserable, after Robert Voit sold Jasc to Corel.
:-)
I think Kris had to take a pay cut.
:-)
Uni
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| Kris Zaklika 2005-02-22, 11:22 pm |
| All Things Mopar wrote:
>
> Kris Zaklika commented courteously ...
>
> [snip]
>
>
> Isn't this a judgement/opinion, not a fact?
No, it is a fact. In a follow-up post the original poster
stated (and I quote) "Thanks, I already found them on google
news." in reply to my posting the contents of the previous
messages for him. Since the first time he didn't find the
post but managed the second time when encouraged to do so,
the first time he did not look properly. It's both logic
and fact.
>
> Being a little hard on a customer again, who can't see his
> posts or yours?
No, I tactfully told the person that there are two parts
to seeking an answer to a question. They are, respectively,
(1) the question and (2) the answer. He had failed in the
answer department. I stated this very plainly since English
is not the poster's native language.
This is Usenet, not a customer service department. (Had the
question been addressed to a customer service department it
would have been answered differently.) Nobody here is
obligated to help a poster. Nobody even knows if the poster
is a customer. That's your unfounded assumption. He (or she)
may or may not be. Despite the fact that nobody is obligated
to help, I did help the poster and - in the spirit of teaching
a man to fish so he can feed himself for a lifetime - I let
him know that he wasn't getting information that existed but
he thought did not. This has allowed the original poster to
improve his technique of locating information, as he himself
has reported. Are you starting to understand how this works
now? It's called teaching people to be more effective, and
it works best when people are encouraged to do things for
themselves instead of having a subservient babysitter pander
to them.
> --
> ATM, aka Jerry
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| Dyuob Poltice 2005-02-23, 4:32 am |
| On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 01:43:13 +0100, "N! Xau"
<nxauNO_SPAM_PLEASE@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Let's put aside for a moment the easiness to use.
>Is Adobe PS more functional than PSP?
I have PSE2 and PSP8 installed, along with several other programs
(anyone remember Kai's Photosoap?).
My wife and I do DVD video scrapbooks, and time is very important (we
promise the videos to be done within a couple of days).
Outside of a couple of special effects (kaleidoscope for one) and the
tubes, PSE2 blows everything else out of the water in terms of
functionality and ease of use, for example, the histogram is much
easier to work with in PSE.
And, when one considers price in the mix, PSE2 shines even more.
Of course, I wouldn't want to give up any of the programs I use, (my
kids are working in PSP8 and the animation shop learning how to
animate) And I certainly think that any of these programs do a great a
job, (yes, even Ulead's PI) but if the day came where I had to choose
only 1 graphics program, it would have to be Elements.
That said, who knows, my next job may call for something only PSP can
do, which is why I never advocate using only one program, there are
just too many variables.
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| Sceadu 2005-02-23, 4:32 am |
| "N! Xau" <nxauNO_SPAM_PLEASE@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Kiri" <kirilavache@hotmail.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
> news:111nel65nd2n647@news.supernews.com...
> depends
> parts
> the
>
>
> got it, thanks, you may see the result in sign
>
>
> I am trying to do the same with a Gif image. All effects appear to be
> off.
> Why?
>
> thanks
GIF's have a 256-color palette. You need to increase the colors to 16
million colors (24-bit) before you can apply effects. Use Colors >
Increase Color Depth.
Sceadu
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| Dyuob Poltice wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 01:43:13 +0100, "N! Xau"
> <nxauNO_SPAM_PLEASE@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> I have PSE2 and PSP8 installed, along with several other programs
> (anyone remember Kai's Photosoap?).
> My wife and I do DVD video scrapbooks, and time is very important (we
> promise the videos to be done within a couple of days).
> Outside of a couple of special effects (kaleidoscope for one) and the
> tubes, PSE2 blows everything else out of the water in terms of
> functionality and ease of use, for example, the histogram is much
> easier to work with in PSE.
If I may interrupt, GIMPs Curves are more functional that PSP's. GIMP
emulates Photoshop, allowing you set points on the Curve, from the
image. PSP make you guess.
Uni
> And, when one considers price in the mix, PSE2 shines even more.
> Of course, I wouldn't want to give up any of the programs I use, (my
> kids are working in PSP8 and the animation shop learning how to
> animate) And I certainly think that any of these programs do a great a
> job, (yes, even Ulead's PI) but if the day came where I had to choose
> only 1 graphics program, it would have to be Elements.
> That said, who knows, my next job may call for something only PSP can
> do, which is why I never advocate using only one program, there are
> just too many variables.
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| Dyuob Poltice wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 01:43:13 +0100, "N! Xau"
> <nxauNO_SPAM_PLEASE@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> I have PSE2 and PSP8 installed, along with several other programs
> (anyone remember Kai's Photosoap?).
> My wife and I do DVD video scrapbooks, and time is very important (we
> promise the videos to be done within a couple of days).
> Outside of a couple of special effects (kaleidoscope for one) and the
> tubes, PSE2 blows everything else out of the water in terms of
> functionality and ease of use, for example, the histogram is much
> easier to work with in PSE.
> And, when one considers price in the mix, PSE2 shines even more.
> Of course, I wouldn't want to give up any of the programs I use, (my
> kids are working in PSP8 and the animation shop learning how to
> animate)
Although a bit cartoonish, they may enjoy Tales Aminmator, free from
Dolly Soft http://www.dollysoft.com
Uni
And I certainly think that any of these programs do a great a
> job, (yes, even Ulead's PI) but if the day came where I had to choose
> only 1 graphics program, it would have to be Elements.
> That said, who knows, my next job may call for something only PSP can
> do, which is why I never advocate using only one program, there are
> just too many variables.
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| A Soberon 2005-02-23, 4:32 am |
| Kris, I wonder why you responded to the "grumpy old humble chrysler
engineer" who knows so little about how to select and use a camera that we
had to endure his long, boring postings on how he went to a museum and his
flash didn't work, and bla, bla, bla. (and now he has a new camera! Be
prepared for the avalanche of "requests" on how to use it)
Perhaps it's because I'm one of the "shills and toadies" but if anytime you
respond to a question he will be going to your jugular, I would understand
if you refrain from posting, and all things considered, I rather have your
"biased" opinions that his stubborness.
Antonio
ps: C'ommon uni, I still have a couple of minutes to have fun with you.
| |
|
| A Soberon wrote:
> Kris, I wonder why you responded to the "grumpy old humble chrysler
> engineer" who knows so little about how to select and use a camera that we
> had to endure his long, boring postings on how he went to a museum and his
> flash didn't work, and bla, bla, bla. (and now he has a new camera! Be
> prepared for the avalanche of "requests" on how to use it)
>
> Perhaps it's because I'm one of the "shills and toadies" but if anytime you
> respond to a question he will be going to your jugular, I would understand
> if you refrain from posting, and all things considered, I rather have your
> "biased" opinions that his stubborness.
>
> Antonio
>
> ps: C'ommon uni, I still have a couple of minutes to have fun with you.
>
>
>
>
Uh, which one, Sober Soberon?.....
-- ATM, aka Jerry, aka Uni II
:-)
Uni
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| A Soberon 2005-02-23, 4:32 am |
| > Uh, which one, Sober Soberon?.....
>
> -- ATM, aka Jerry, aka Uni II
there's only one uni.monkey.
you
miki's sucker, no name john, ant animation thief, pathetic photo-fixer,
adobe and freeware praiser, apprentice of nothing and master of stupidity.
| |
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| A Soberon wrote:
>
>
>
> there's only one uni.monkey.
>
> you
>
> miki's sucker, no name john, ant animation thief, pathetic photo-fixer,
> adobe and freeware praiser, apprentice of nothing and master of stupidity.
And that's why I'm the Professional Engineer and you're just a Camel Jokey.
:-)
Uni
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| A Soberon 2005-02-23, 4:32 am |
| > And that's why I'm the Professional Engineer and you're just a Camel
Jokey.
oh, yes, I forgot;
uni.monkey, the repetitive boring XXXXXXX. thanks for the reminder.
hurry, just some more minutes left before I go to real life, and not this
stupidity of being glued to a monitor.
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| A Soberon 2005-02-23, 4:32 am |
| > hurry, just some more minutes left before I go to real life, and not this
> stupidity of being glued to a monitor.
game over. your time is up loser.
pray I'm in the mood tomorrow to have fun with you.
| |
|
| A Soberon wrote:
>
>
> game over. your time is up loser.
>
> pray I'm in the mood tomorrow to have fun with you.
Have a fun time riding your camel to work!
:-)
Uni
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| Before I used a paying newsserver, I had the same problem, many of my posts
not showing up, that is.
E.g. I now have 29092 messages in this group, before I had 500 max, which
also has to do with retention time, of course. But 1 binary and they were
all gone! Btw, PSP7 doesn't have a background eraser, but, in all honesty, I
didn't look for the originally posted question.
Kiri
"Kris Zaklika" <Kris.Zaklika@corel.com> schreef in bericht
news:421BC25C.DBEBF900@corel.com...[color=darkred]
> "N! Xau" wrote:
>
> Yes, but I do, so you simply haven't looked properly.
>
>
> Here are all the previous answers for you:
>
> Fred Hiltz:
> The effect is called reduced depth of field. Search
> http://www.psplinks.com for depth to get some good ideas.
>
> Ron Lacey:
> http://graphicssoft.about.com/libra.../ucrl01-dof.htm
>
> Don Stauffer:
> Select the person, using freehand/point-to-point selection. Then,
> INVERT selection. Now, go to the blur function and blur away.
>
> Kris Zaklika:
> Duplicate the image layer. Blur the image. Use the Background
> Eraser to erase the blurred subject to expose the unblurred
> subject on the layer below.
>
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|
| Any site with midi on it is instantly closed by me, sorry.
Kiri
"N! Xau" <nxauNO_SPAM_PLEASE@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht
news:381t9vF5jbbqsU2@individual.net...
>
> "Kiri" <kirilavache@hotmail.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
> news:111nel65nd2n647@news.supernews.com...
> depends
> parts
> the
>
>
> got it, thanks, you may see the result in sign
>
>
> I am trying to do the same with a Gif image. All effects appear to be off.
> Why?
>
> thanks
> --
> N! Xau - sovrintendente agli antani upgradati
>
> la sede del Movimento Salvaguardia e Tutela Cazzate:
> http://ilovemiliofede.altervista.org
>
>
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| N! Xau 2005-02-23, 7:18 am |
|
"Kiri" <kirilavache@hotmail.com> ha scritto nel messaggio ...
> Any site with midi on it is instantly closed by me, sorry.
>
> Kiri
Not my problem.
bye
| |
|
| Ahh, There's those piston leg people.
| |
| N! Xau 2005-02-23, 6:51 pm |
|
"Kris Zaklika" <Kris.Zaklika@corel.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
> Since the first time he didn't find the
> post but managed the second time when encouraged to do so,
> the first time he did not look properly. It's both logic
> and fact.
If you would start a new thread with your Mozilla, and you don't see your
post, nor any reply, would you think it has been posted?
Would you really go on google news to search (and google news is 1 day
late...) or would you maybe think your news server was down?
> This is Usenet, not a customer service department.
Again: I am not exactly an Usenet newbie... you can easily check it, if you
like research as it seems.
> Nobody here is
> obligated to help a poster.
And nobody is obligated to answer if one doesn't feel good.
Again, I thank you for your suggestions.
I think you are making a big matter for nothing.
bye
--
N! Xau - sovrintendente agli antani upgradati
la sede del Movimento Salvaguardia e Tutela Cazzate:
http://ilovemiliofede.altervista.org
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| All Things Mopar 2005-02-23, 6:51 pm |
| A Soberon commented courteously ...
> (and now he has a new camera! Be prepared for the
> avalanche of "requests" on how to use it)
Know, I don't have a new camera. And, no, I won't be bothering
the likes of who, who can't help anyway, with questions about
how to use my camera. BTW, if you recall, I was asking
questions specific to flash and underexposure, *not* on "how
to use the camera"
> Perhaps it's because I'm one of the "shills and
> toadies"
No, you're not. Never included you in that quote.
> but if anytime you respond to a question he will
> be going to your jugular
Go back and read my posts, again, and try to read the *entire*
content, keep it in context, read what I was replying to, and
do your level best to use your powers of limited English
comprehension.
As an example of why you are obviously *not* reading or
comprehending or retaining what I said last night, I see no
mention of my continuing admiration for KZ's technical
prowess, and you intentionally/unintentionally left out the
part where I commented on my plugging PSP 9.
Or, didn't you comprehend that either, Antonio?
>, I would understand if you refrain from posting,
> and all things considered, I rather have your
> "biased" opinions that his stubborness.
I'm only "stubborn" about a couple of things: KZ's unusual and
unacceptable (to me) posting style, and the continued
inaccurate reporting of what I said or didn't say from people
like you.
--
ATM, aka Jerry
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| All Things Mopar 2005-02-23, 6:51 pm |
| N! Xau commented courteously ...
>
> "Kris Zaklika" <Kris.Zaklika@corel.com> ha scritto nel
> messaggio
>
>
> If you would start a new thread with your Mozilla,
> and you don't see your post, nor any reply, would
> you think it has been posted? Would you really go
> on google news to search (and google news is 1 day
> late...) or would you maybe think your news server
> was down?
>
> Again: I am not exactly an Usenet newbie... you can
> easily check it, if you like research as it seems.
Kris is too busy to Google for you N! Xau. Just ask him,
he works 12 hours a day, then prances around CNews and
Usenet at night. So, he doesn't know what you've done or
not done and what you can see or not see. If for no other
reason, than his ISP and yours are different.
>
> And nobody is obligated to answer if one doesn't
> feel good. Again, I thank you for your suggestions.
> I think you are making a big matter for nothing.
The OP speaks, Kris! And, it sounds like they *maybe*
interpreted your comment as "you are stupid or ignorant,
else you'd have figured out on your own that the question
has been asked and answered a number of times", rather
than your own view that you were being helpful and trying
to politely educate a user (yes, N! Xau may have
bootlegged PSP and not purchased it at all and so isn't a
customer at all, but then, Kris, you don't know that - it
is only your "opinion").
> bye
Does this mean "bye" as in "I won't bother you for more
'help', or "bye" as in "I don't need another shot of
insults", by chance?
Kris, assuming you've not KF'd me, re-read what the N! Xau
said in the beginning, what he/she's said since then to
clarify the problem and his/her's approach to it, and try
to comprehend his/her pain, not to mention his annoyance
at your tone.
And, let the "Jerry flame war" begin. You know, you people
*really* have to learn the difference between people who
want to really help others from those who delight in ego
trips and put-downs.
--
ATM, aka Jerry
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| All Things Mopar 2005-02-23, 6:51 pm |
| Kiri commented courteously ...
> Before I used a paying newsserver, I had the same
> problem, many of my posts not showing up, that is.
> E.g. I now have 29092 messages in this group,
> before I had 500 max, which also has to do with
> retention time, of course. But 1 binary and they
> were all gone! Btw, PSP7 doesn't have a background
> eraser, but, in all honesty, I didn't look for the
> originally posted question.
Egad! Is there another person who can't see their own posts nor
some of the replies? Kris, is Kiri also too stupid to live because
he/she didn't research how to be a good Usenet neighbor and not
fodder for your unusual approach to people skills?
--
ATM, aka Jerry
| |
| N! Xau 2005-02-23, 6:51 pm |
|
"All Things Mopar" <usenetMAPS123@comcast.net> ha scritto nel messaggio
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>
> Does this mean "bye" as in "I won't bother you for more
> 'help', or "bye" as in "I don't need another shot of
> insults", by chance?
I did not feel insulted from Kris, otherwise I would ignore him.
Also, when I post on a ng I am not writing a private message.
I don't feel like bothering someone in particular, I address everyone who
may want to reply.
Bye means bye. That'it.
> Kris, assuming you've not KF'd me, re-read what the N! Xau
> said in the beginning, what he/she's said
He.
regards,
--
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| N! Xau 2005-02-23, 6:51 pm |
|
"Kiri" <kirilavache@hotmail.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
> Before I used a paying newsserver, I had the same problem, many of my
posts
> not showing up, that is.
It almost never happened with my newsserver.
Anyway, it will become a paying one, on April, 1st.
thanks
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| All Things Mopar 2005-02-23, 6:51 pm |
| N! Xau commented courteously ...
> I did not feel insulted from Kris, otherwise I would
> ignore him.
That's good, but I was even though I wasn't the OP because
there's a veiled threat of a blast of vitriol if I ever
make even a minor mistake or ask a question Kris doesn't
feel is within his standards for good research before
posting.
For example, he is *very* fond of taking me on regularly
if I "quote" him but do not include *exactly* the words he
used in their entirety. He doesn't understand the
difference between a direct quote and a paraphrase, and
spouts his corrections under the guise of not wanting
anyone to be confused by my inaccurate retelling of his
messages.
> Also, when I post on a ng I am not writing a private
> message. I don't feel like bothering someone in
> particular, I address everyone who may want to reply.
> Bye means bye. That'it.
Of course you weren't aiming at Kris or anyone else who
replied this time or in the several times in the past that
Kris cited. If you'd wanted to aim your question at one
person, you'd have put "pinging XXX" in your subject line,
as I know you know how to do, since you have experience on
Usenet.
>
> He.
Thank you for clarifying your gender. I frequently have
trouble with names, much less handles.
Have a great day and may your PSP experiences all be
positive!
--
ATM, aka Jerry
| |
| N! Xau 2005-02-23, 6:51 pm |
|
"All Things Mopar" <usenetMAPS123@comcast.net> ha scritto nel messaggio
> That's good, but I was even though I wasn't the OP
Excuse me, what does OP mean?
> For example, he is *very* fond of taking me on regularly
> if I "quote" him but do not include *exactly* the words he
> used in their entirety. He doesn't understand the
> difference between a direct quote and a paraphrase, and
> spouts his corrections under the guise of not wanting
> anyone to be confused by my inaccurate retelling of his
> messages.
After all, Kris has been useful.
It's just that sometimes people should take themselves less seriously.
> Have a great day and may your PSP experiences all be
> positive!
Thanks. You folks are ALL invited to sign the MSTC guestbook.
For whom don't know, the site actually talks about this: taking things EASY.
best regards
--
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| Kris Zaklika 2005-02-23, 6:51 pm |
| "N! Xau" wrote:
>
> "Kris Zaklika" <Kris.Zaklika@corel.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
>
>
> If you would start a new thread with your Mozilla, and you don't see your
> post, nor any reply, would you think it has been posted?
To tell you the truth, I post sufficiently frequently and
know my internet service provider well enough to know that
posts appear reliably for me and where to find these posts.
> Would you really go on google news to search (and google news is 1 day
> late...) or would you maybe think your news server was down?
As a matter of fact I checked Google before replying to you
because I didn't want to be unfair to you. Not everyone has
a good service provider.
[snip]
> Again, I thank you for your suggestions.
> I think you are making a big matter for nothing.
I agree that All Things Mopar is off-topic and making a fuss
about nothing. I'm glad you got your answer and know that
you were not finding posts that existed.
[snip]
| |
| A Soberon 2005-02-23, 6:51 pm |
| > Go back and read my posts, again, and try to read the *entire*
> content, keep it in context, read what I was replying to, and
> do your level best to use your powers of limited English
> comprehension.
Excuse my limited comprehension of English, but I do not understand this
phrase you wrote:
"And, no, I won't be bothering the likes of who, who can't help anyway..."
THE LIKES OF WHO, WHO ??? Weren't you trying to write: "The likes of YOU,
who can't help anyway"?
or this other jewel:
"and do your level best to use your powers of limited English comprehension"
YOUR LEVEL BEST ??? Never heard that before. Could it be: "your very best" ?
No comprendo! No entiendo! No capito niente!
Ahora, vamos a ver como andas de conocimientos en español, porque no hay
ninguna regla que me limite a escribir unicamente en inglés en este grupo de
noticias.
Nadie te nombró censor de este grupo para corregir el estilo de escribir de
Kris. Si te parece bien su experiencia y conocimientos, te sugiero que en
ves de estar corrigiéndolo y enseñándole buenos modales, te limites a
aprender un poco de lo mucho que su puede aprovechar de sus técnicas.
Saludos.
Antonio
| |
|
| Uni wrote:
>
> If I may interrupt, GIMPs Curves are more functional that PSP's. GIMP
> emulates Photoshop, allowing you set points on the Curve, from the
> image. PSP make you guess.
No it doesn't. It might work that way in your old, stolen version of
PSP7. But in PSP9 clicking on the image sets the matching point on the
curves graph.
--
Tim
| |
|
| N! Xau wrote:
> "All Things Mopar" <usenetMAPS123@comcast.net> ha scritto nel
> messaggio
>
>
> Excuse me, what does OP mean?
>
Original Poster. In other words, the person who made the first post in
the thread... in this case, you :-)
--
Tim
| |
|
| In news:3834r9F5jf1j1U1@individual.net
nxauNO_SPAM_PLEASE@hotmail.com
N! Xau wrote:
> "Kiri" <kirilavache@hotmail.com> ha scritto nel messaggio ...
[color=darkred]
> Not my problem.
The same could have been said about your newsserver not showing your
posts. Apart from that, it is common courtesy and very practical to
let it be known you didn't see your former thread when you repost
something.
Joske
--
Kirk: You'd make a splendid computer, Mr Spock.
Spock: That is very kind of you, Captain!
Return of the Archons
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| N! Xau 2005-02-23, 6:51 pm |
|
"Joske" <j.backer@home.nl> ha scritto nel messaggio news:cvi8mp$5q7
>
>
> The same could have been said about your newsserver not showing your
> posts. Apart from that, it is common courtesy and very practical to
> let it be known you didn't see your former thread when you repost
> something.
I forgot a smile <G>
bye
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|
| In news:Xns96065102216B5ReplyToken@216.196.97.131
usenetMAPS123@comcast.net
All Things Mopar wrote:
> For example, he is *very* fond of taking me on regularly
> if I "quote" him but do not include *exactly* the words he
> used in their entirety. He doesn't understand the
> difference between a direct quote and a paraphrase, and
> spouts his corrections under the guise of not wanting
> anyone to be confused by my inaccurate retelling of his
> messages.
I had the same misunderstanding long ago and overcame it. Let me
tell you a story from when I was new to this group.
A friend-proclaimed PSP 'hotshot' was harassing posters about Uni,
whether they were replying to Uni or not. Just failing to state
their opinion of Uni would do to make this person make derisive
remarks to the posters. His self-proclaimed hotshot lady friend
joined in on occasion.
I said something about this and got the same treatment. Instantly I
was called a 'little troll' and 'not in the same league' as they
were, and told I need not apply for some PSP community or other. All
manner of ugliness continued for months, backed up by an army of
their friends bashing me. It wasn't pretty and it was wrong.
In the midst of this, Kris told me too that I had not quoted his
words exactly. It was in a normal thread. But, not knowing where he
stood, and seeing these same people *then* still formed a circle
around him, I took it as judging me. Not as being against me or
taking sides, but yet another person adding to the negativity I was
receiving. So my response was wrong, his was wrong, and it took time
to clear things up. It's not so hard for me to accept that someone
appreciates his posts being treated in an accurate manner.
If you remember, these 'hotshots' addressed you unfavorably too. One
even went as far as to state you were Uni in the PSP 8 public beta
group. Some believed her. And though you could be a nuisance, it was
wrong.
Now, what we have here, is that you get on well with these same
'hotshots'. You obviously have forgiven them. But unlike me, you
never got round to thinking, talking, and getting over the reason
*why* they were unfriendly to you: your very similar to my past
problem with Kris. Thinking Kris was taking a shot at you amidst
others being unfriendly or even rude to you.
I could wonder why. Why you forgave the really rude ones and chose
to get fixated on someone you merely misunderstood... and could
provoke at times, admit it. But instead I offer you this story for
consideration. It's no secret, most of it can be Googled even though
the 'hotshots' had all their negative posts removed afterwards.
Joske
| |
| A Soberon 2005-02-23, 6:51 pm |
| > No it doesn't. It might work that way in your old, stolen version of
> PSP7. But in PSP9 clicking on the image sets the matching point on the
> curves graph.
hey uni.monkey, what's bigger, the things you don't know or the stupidities
you post?
| |
| All Things Mopar 2005-02-23, 6:51 pm |
| A Soberon commented courteously ...
> Excuse my limited comprehension of English, but
> I do not understand this phrase you wrote:
>
> "And, no, I won't be bothering the likes of who, who
> can't help anyway..."
Well, you've quoted me out-of-context, again! I've sought
help with my Nikon 5700 in a number of places. Basically,
I got no-thing other than "don't use flash, use available
light and a tri-pod with auxillary lighting and reflector
umbrellas" (except for Ron Lacey, who has consistently
given me advice to what I ask about). I've also gotten
unsolicited, and useless, lessons in photography, which I
didn't want, and still don't.
> "and do your level best to use your powers of limited
> English comprehension"
>
> YOUR LEVEL BEST ??? Never heard that before. Could it
be:
> "your very best" ?
Is English your second language, or did you fail Semantics
101 in High School? Call it whatever the Hell you like, I
just want people - like you - to *read* what I wrote in
its entirety, take my comments *in context*, understand
the point I was attempting to make, and then - and *only*
then -reply in a meaningful way. If you can't/won't do
that, than I'd be obliged if you (and the "others") would
just STFU!
In the meantime, Antonio, just buzz off and go back under
your troll bridge. I'm frankly tired of you and a number
of other people consistently mis-understanding the
difference between disagreements as to what helps or not,
vs. the *style* of communications, while at the same time,
"conveniently" ignoring my positive contributions to PSP
users across a wide sprectrum of subjects and venues.
I comment on Kris's antics only very rarely, because all
you twits can't understand what I'm after and are so
blinded by your love for everything Corel/Jasc and
everything KZ, that you simply fail to see how statements
from Kris, or me, or anyone else may easily be taken in
other than the indended way.
As a supervisor and a manager, I look many voluntary and
mandatory classes to understand such basic things as
knowing the difference between what is *said* and what is
*heard*. And, it is well-known, except maybe for you
finding obscure typos and grammer mistakes of mine, that
textural "conversations" are often difficult to
understand, but *very* easy to misunderstand and/or
misconstrue.
So, Google on if that's your pleasure. I continue to save
ever increasing amounts of the rude, vicious, totally
uncalled for statements that people make to me or about
me, in the guise of "setting me straight". So, if you
don't want another flame thrower attack from me, don't
"throw stones out of a glass house"!
--
ATM, aka Jerry
| |
| All Things Mopar 2005-02-23, 6:51 pm |
| Tim commented courteously ...
> Original Poster. In other words, the person who made the
> first post in the thread... in this case, you :-)
No, Tim, you didn't listen, again. I was referring to the
OP that had asked the original question about PSP
compatibility and got what *they* referred to as a biased
reply from Kris, which he denied, of course.
Maybe you need to go back and read everything I said, in
context, also!
--
ATM, aka Jerry
| |
| All Things Mopar 2005-02-23, 6:51 pm |
| N! Xau commented courteously ...
> After all, Kris has been useful.
You having trouble with what I say/said, also? Did you not
see that I concur with what you said above? And, that I
promote Kris as a valuable resource to others.
> It's just that sometimes people should take themselves
> less seriously.
Yep. I can take myself less seriously, and I do. Again,
are *you* misreading my posts? I comment only *very*
seldom, only when I read a particularly agregious
violation of the rules for dealing positively with people.
In case you missed it, while it is OK for readers of the
NG to take on each other, it is *never* OK for a Corel
employee to do that! Don't bother telling me you disagree,
as I just said in another reply, statemens from Kris or
anyone can be taken at in at least 2 ways: positive help
and negative insults.
> You folks are ALL invited to sign the MSTC guestbook.
> For whom don't know, the site actually talks about this:
> taking things EASY.
What is MSTC? Is this where you go for a shot of "chill
out" or where you go to register complaints about me?
BTW, I see you didn't sign this post, unless I missed it,
which explains why I didn't know your gender in the first
place.
BTW #2, I don't generally "defend" others, you are all big
boys and girls and are better equipped to defend
yourselve, if in fact, you think a defense is necessary. I
comment on specifics aluding to broader issues. Comprende?
--
ATM, aka Jerry
| |
| All Things Mopar 2005-02-23, 6:51 pm |
| Joske commented courteously ...
[snip in its entirety - no useful information found!]
I do not exhibit any Uni characteristics, since I buy and
use PSP. and, I don't attack people who don't either
attack me first, or who're using good people skills
KZ hasn't liked me since the PSP 8 beta. That's OK, I
don't like him either. But, get this through your thick
skull, Ms. Joske, we're discussing how Kris comes across
to me personally - multiple times including recently - and
my opinion of how he comes across to others. *Not*, *not*,
*not* his theoretical or practical technical skills, nor
his unparelleled PSP operational skills!
Understand yet?
--
ATM, aka Jerry
| |
| dspost5@yahoo.com 2005-02-23, 6:51 pm |
| I have never posted in this group before, but Kris is one respect- and
compassion-challenged individual. What on earth is his
urgently-pressing need to read the original poster's deep gratitude for
the answers to the question?
The original poster was not out-of-line for not tracking down the
fastest news server on the planet to thank people as quickly as humanly
possible. Kris is out of line for being so peculiarly impatient about
it. Weirdest response I've ever seen. If you want to HELP people,
don't jump on them; it's not complicated.
As for PSP and the PS programs, they are all well-written. What
software is best for you depends on your needs and personal preferences
(as well as budget). Based on your original question, certainly either
program is more than enough to do what you need. It may depend on what
else you need to do. (For instance, you might find basic line art is
easier in PSP, and working with text is easier in PS -- or whatever.)
If you only do the occasional touch-up, certainly either program will
work for you.
Kris Zaklika wrote:
>blah blah blah
| |
| All Things Mopar 2005-02-23, 6:51 pm |
| Kris Zaklika commented courteously ...
> I agree that All Things Mopar is off-topic and making a
> fuss about nothing.
I'm only OT with respect to my rants not being PSP-related
per se. I'm on-topic in protesting a Corel employee who
has poor people skills.
> I'm glad you got your answer and know that you were not
> finding posts that existed.
Then, why the Hell did you hit N! with a 2 x 4, and I
quote: ">> Yes, but I do, so you simply haven't looked
properly". How could you possibly know if N! did or did
not see this stuff? Instead *you* made a judgement call
that he was wrong.
Note that the above quote, taken in-context, can be
interpreted as "please be more thorough, your question has
been asked and answered a number of times" *or* it could
be interpreted as "you are too stupid/ignorant to learn
how to find missing posts".
I was and am talking about the latter interpretation,
which is hardly your first example, nor will it be my
last. Yes, that's my opinion, but one which I've formed
over 2 years of reading your posts, not just the 2 in the
last 6 weeks.
I've been asked to look in the mirror, have you? If you're
as well-educated, experienced, and bright as you claim,
you should be able to see that your statements can be and
are interpreted differently than you intended (unless, of
course, you *are* trying to make a point and put me or
potentially other hapless users in their place).
Again, I hope you feel better now, for having told off one
of your customers once more. Don't worry, I won't tattle
on you and I'll continue to spend my money on PSP. OK?
Good.
--
ATM, aka Jerry
| |
| All Things Mopar 2005-02-23, 6:51 pm |
| Tim commented courteously ...
> Uni wrote:
that[color=darkred]
on[color=darkred]
>
> No it doesn't. It might work that way in your old,
stolen
> version of PSP7. But in PSP9 clicking on the image sets
the
> matching point on the curves graph.
Tim, I just gotta ask: what point do you and the many
others have in resonding to Uni "trolling" out a baited
hook? You obviously know that you can't reason with a
fool, and you obviously know that Uni releshes in stirring
up as much dust as possible.
I long ago plonked him because I see nothing worthwhile in
his posts. The only way I see what he said, is when
somebody is "feeding the troll", like you're doing here.
Have I missed something here?
--
ATM, aka Jerry
| |
| All Things Mopar 2005-02-23, 6:51 pm |
| A Soberon commented courteously ...
> hey uni.monkey, what's bigger, the things you don't
> know or the stupidities you post?
You, too, Antonio! Why are you responding to an idiot?
--
ATM, aka Jerry
| |
| All Things Mopar 2005-02-23, 6:51 pm |
| > I have never posted in this group before, but Kris
> is one respect- and compassion-challenged individual.
> What on earth is his urgently-pressing need to read
> the original poster's deep gratitude for the answers
> to the question?
> The original poster was not out-of-line for not
> tracking down the fastest news server on the planet
> to thank people as quickly as humanly possible.
> Kris is out of line for being so peculiarly impatient
> about it. Weirdest response I've ever seen.
> If you want to HELP people, don't jump on them; it's
> not complicated.
Well, now, there really is hope for me! Obviously, the
answer to your (rhetorical?) question above is "there is
*never*, *never*, *never* a reason to "jump on them",
particularly if you're a Corel employee!
While you didn't comment more generally, I might suppose
you've been watching KZ in action for sometime, but just
didn't speak up until now.
--
ATM, aka Jerry
| |
| A Soberon 2005-02-23, 6:51 pm |
| > Well, now, there really is hope for me! Obviously, the
> answer to your (rhetorical?) question above is "there is
> *never*, *never*, *never* a reason to "jump on them",
> particularly if you're a Corel employee!
>
> While you didn't comment more generally, I might suppose
> you've been watching KZ in action for sometime, but just
> didn't speak up until now.
I guess by now Kris is more than willing to lose his time responding any
more in this NG.
Why don't you grumpy.mopar.chrysler.jerry attack uni instead of plonking
him? Why don't you plonk Kris if his responses are so biased and perverse?
As for me, I have plonked myself out of here.
| |
| N! Xau 2005-02-23, 6:51 pm |
|
"All Things Mopar" <usenetMAPS123@comcast.net> ha scritto nel messaggio
> N! Xau commented courteously ...
>
[color=darkred]
> You having trouble with what I say/said, also?
No. Are you having trouble in general?
> Did you not
> see that I concur with what you said above?
Where did I write the opposite?
>
> Yep. I can take myself less seriously, and I do.
What made you to think I was addressing you?
> In case you missed it, while it is OK for readers of the
> NG to take on each other, it is *never* OK for a Corel
> employee to do that! Don't bother telling me you disagree,
Listen, I don't know what your problem with Corel employees is,
but I would not care of your "don't bother me" - and I would tell I
disagree - if I just thought it could help me with my goals.
take it easy, guys
--
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| All Things Mopar 2005-02-23, 6:51 pm |
| A Soberon commented courteously ...
> I guess by now Kris is more than willing to lose
> his time responding any more in this NG.
Did you mean "I guess by now Kris is *no longer* willing
to lose his time responding any more in this NG",
referring to me, Antonio?
As for the others he posts to, whatever he does or doesn't
respond to is fine by me. He doesn't care what my opinion
is anyway, so what I do or don't say is irrelevent to him.
> Why don't you grumpy.mopar.chrysler.jerry attack uni
> instead of plonking him?
Because, twit, I don't feed trolls. Again, I continue to
see examples of how you don't read, don't comprehend,
don't retain, and completely miss the "message" of my
relatively few posts.
>Why don't you plonk Kris if his responses are so biased
> and perverse?
You really are a *hopeless* case, Antonio! Why would I
plonk Kris when I *want* to read his technical advice?
Here, on CNews, or anyplace else he chooses to post to.
I don't "cut off my nose to spite my face", as my Momma's
saying went. I just ignore the bias part since I *expect*
that from a company employee, although you do *not* see
that from me with respect to my company, the Chrysler
Group. Or can you Google for that, too?
Again, for you and others who don't parlez vous Anglais, I
only comment rarely about KZ or anything-Corel, and then
only when the perceived "offense" is particularly
egregious to me.
> As for me, I have plonked myself out of here.
Plonk, me. Don't plonk me. Plonk anyone you choose. You've
contributed no-thing to this NG or to CNews that is of any
use to me. You've only run in on your white horse, shot
off a few volleys with you blunderbus, then promply rode
off again. Again, as has oft been said by people other
than me, plonking says more about the plonker than the
plonkee.
As to Uni, I plonked him and he'll stay that way because
he isn't at all entertaining, while you and a number of
other denizens of these woods continue to be to me.
--
ATM, aka Jerry
| |
|
| "Joske" <j.backer@home.nl> wrote in news:cviaum$kgl$1
@news4.zwoll1.ov.home.nl:
> In news:Xns96065102216B5ReplyToken@216.196.97.131
> usenetMAPS123@comcast.net
> All Things Mopar wrote:
>
>
> I had the same misunderstanding long ago and overcame it. Let
me
> tell you a story from when I was new to this group.
>
> A friend-proclaimed PSP 'hotshot' was harassing posters about
Uni,
> whether they were replying to Uni or not. Just failing to
state
> their opinion of Uni would do to make this person make
derisive
> remarks to the posters. His self-proclaimed hotshot lady
friend
> joined in on occasion.
>
> I said something about this and got the same treatment.
Instantly I
> was called a 'little troll' and 'not in the same league' as
they
> were, and told I need not apply for some PSP community or
other. All
> manner of ugliness continued for months, backed up by an army
of
> their friends bashing me. It wasn't pretty and it was wrong.
>
> In the midst of this, Kris told me too that I had not quoted
his
> words exactly. It was in a normal thread. But, not knowing
where he
> stood, and seeing these same people *then* still formed a
circle
> around him, I took it as judging me. Not as being against me
or
> taking sides, but yet another person adding to the negativity
I was
> receiving. So my response was wrong, his was wrong, and it
took time
> to clear things up. It's not so hard for me to accept that
someone
> appreciates his posts being treated in an accurate manner.
>
> If you remember, these 'hotshots' addressed you unfavorably
too. One
> even went as far as to state you were Uni in the PSP 8 public
beta
> group. Some believed her. And though you could be a nuisance,
it was
> wrong.
>
> Now, what we have here, is that you get on well with these
same
> 'hotshots'. You obviously have forgiven them. But unlike me,
you
> never got round to thinking, talking, and getting over the
reason
> *why* they were unfriendly to you: your very similar to my
past
> problem with Kris. Thinking Kris was taking a shot at you
amidst
> others being unfriendly or even rude to you.
>
> I could wonder why. Why you forgave the really rude ones and
chose
> to get fixated on someone you merely misunderstood... and
could
> provoke at times, admit it. But instead I offer you this
story for
> consideration. It's no secret, most of it can be Googled even
though
> the 'hotshots' had all their negative posts removed
afterwards.
>
> Joske
>
Hi Joske,
FWIW, I've drifted into this thread on and off (mostly off),
and thought your post to Jerry was most thoughful. I just
don't think it's going to help.
While most of his other posts, here and elsewhere, are civil,
this particular issue sounds more like a crusade that has him
frustrated, as seems apparent in his reply to you (which
included a rude comment about your lack of understanding). His
responses to others who he thinks don't understand his position
have been in a similar vein.
I'm sure that, in fact, most others do know that Jerry respects
Kris' knowledge and expertise. They are also likely aware that
his problem with Kris is the way Kris sometimes comes across
when responding to questions, which can, at times, be abrupt
and even sound impatient or condescending when read in a text
message. Over the years I've made passing comment on it
myself.
My interpretation of Jerry's tirades (and of course - as he has
pointed out - it's easy to mis-interpret in a text post) is
that he seems to take other people's posts that criticize his
as a kind of knee-jerk defense of Kris and fail to acknowledge
that they understand that Jerry is only against Kris' tone and
attitude (particularly because he represents Corel by
association, even if he's not posting on behalf of Corel). So
he becomes (and sounds) increasingly frustrated because nobody
seems to acknowledge the "specific" point he is trying to make
and only responds generally in defence of Kris.
If he wishes to remain fixated and frustrated on this point (or
simply cannot help himself), then the chances of him learning
anything from your insight are likely slim.
Some time ago on the Jasc forum many also wondered whether or
not it was worth putting up with Greg, who for the most part
was a rational contributor but had several issues that often
went years back that he could not resolve or let go of. Some
of us were able to work with him, but - understandably - those
he would suddenly abuse in any way were hurt and upset, so the
forum let him go. And I suspect his fixations also are still
with him. It's not (IMHO) a fun way to live life, but each to
his or her own, I guess.
But you tried, and I respect you for taking the time to give it
a good, unemotional and reasoned effort.
Regards,
JoeB
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| All Things Mopar 2005-02-23, 11:19 pm |
| JoeB commented courteously ...
[snip in its entirety for brevity]
You make some excellent points here, Joe. You've
characterized me "spot-on" in many respects, most
paticularly that I am frustrated.
Since this is getting no one anywhere, especially me, I
think my best course of action is to say nothing further
negative about KZ or anyone else. I'm reminded of 2
sayings that apply well here for everyone concerned:
"if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at
all" - Mom-ism
and
"Tis better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to
speak and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln
Thanks for your observations.
--
ATM, aka Jerry
| |
|
| All Things Mopar wrote:
> Tim commented courteously ...
>
>
> Tim, I just gotta ask: what point do you and the many
> others have in resonding to Uni "trolling" out a baited
> hook? You obviously know that you can't reason with a
> fool, and you obviously know that Uni releshes in stirring
> up as much dust as possible.
>
> I long ago plonked him because I see nothing worthwhile in
> his posts. The only way I see what he said, is when
> somebody is "feeding the troll", like you're doing here.
>
> Have I missed something here?
Because a casual visitor to this newsgroup might conclude that PSP9
doesn't have the ability to click on the image and set points in Curves.
A clarification seemed in order.
I generally (but not always) try to stay out of his threads unless it is
to correct something or to provide some background on him for newer
readers, or maybe future readers of archived posts.
I see that you use Xnews, and I'm fairly sure that is possible to
configure it so that not only Uni's posts, but all replies and other
posts downstream in the thread are not displayed...sorry I don't
remember how it was done, but you might find it worthwhile looking into
that.
--
Tim
| |
|
| All Things Mopar wrote:
> Tim commented courteously ...
>
>
> No, Tim, you didn't listen, again. I was referring to the
> OP that had asked the original question about PSP
> compatibility and got what *they* referred to as a biased
> reply from Kris, which he denied, of course.
>
> Maybe you need to go back and read everything I said, in
> context, also!
No I don't... as I stated in my previous reply to N! Xau, OP stands for
original poster and in the case of this thread it is N! Xau.
Also, I most certainly do not want to read all the bickering in this
thread either in or out of context. N! Xau's question and my reply to
him have nothing to do with that.
--
Tim
| |
|
| A Soberon wrote:
>
>
> Excuse my limited comprehension of English, but I do not understand this
> phrase you wrote:
>
> "And, no, I won't be bothering the likes of who, who can't help anyway..."
>
> THE LIKES OF WHO, WHO ??? Weren't you trying to write: "The likes of YOU,
> who can't help anyway"?
>
> or this other jewel:
>
> "and do your level best to use your powers of limited English comprehension"
>
> YOUR LEVEL BEST ??? Never heard that before. Could it be: "your very best" ?
>
> No comprendo! No entiendo! No capito niente!
>
> Ahora, vamos a ver como andas de conocimientos en español, porque no hay
> ninguna regla que me limite a escribir unicamente en inglés en este grupo de
> noticias.
>
> Nadie te nombró censor de este grupo para corregir el estilo de escribir de
> Kris. Si te parece bien su experiencia y conocimientos, te sugiero que en
> ves de estar corrigiéndolo y enseñándole buenos modales, te limites a
> aprender un poco de lo mucho que su puede aprovechar de sus técnicas.
Hush, youngin'
:-)
Uni
| |
|
| Tim wrote:
> Uni wrote:
>
>
>
>
> No it doesn't. It might work that way in your old, stolen version of
> PSP7. But in PSP9 clicking on the image sets the matching point on the
> curves graph.
I figured Jasc would copy GIMP's idea.
:-)
JASC - Just Another Stolen Curve
:-)
No wonder why Joe Fromm left.
:-)
Uni
| |
|
| All Things Mopar wrote:
> A Soberon commented courteously ...
>
>
>
>
>
> You, too, Antonio! Why are you responding to an idiot?
He's goofy, that's why.
:-)
Uni
| |
|
| All Things Mopar wrote:
> Tim commented courteously ...
>
>
> that
>
> on
>
>
> stolen
>
>
> the
>
>
>
> Tim, I just gotta ask: what point do you and the many
> others have in resonding to Uni "trolling" out a baited
> hook? You obviously know that you can't reason with a
> fool, and you obviously know that Uni releshes in stirring
> up as much dust as possible.
>
> I long ago plonked him because I see nothing worthwhile in
> his posts. The only way I see what he said, is when
> somebody is "feeding the troll", like you're doing here.
>
> Have I missed something here?
Hey, Tim, you might want to teach Jerry Photo optimizing. His muscle
car photos look hideous!!!!
:-)
Uni
| |
|
| All Things Mopar <usenetMAPS123@comcast.net> wrote in
news:Xns9606E2100B753ReplyToken@216.196.97.131:
> JoeB commented courteously ...
>
> [snip in its entirety for brevity]
>
> You make some excellent points here, Joe. You've
> characterized me "spot-on" in many respects, most
> paticularly that I am frustrated.
>
> Since this is getting no one anywhere, especially me, I
> think my best course of action is to say nothing further
> negative about KZ or anyone else. I'm reminded of 2
> sayings that apply well here for everyone concerned:
>
> "if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at
> all" - Mom-ism
>
> and
>
> "Tis better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to
> speak and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln
>
> Thanks for your observations.
>
Jerry, I appreciate that you took my comments in the spirit in
which they were intended. I (and I'm sure many - if not most -
of us in this world) sometimes find ourselves caught up in a
discussion where we unintentionally start to personalize it and
only respond to our own feelings, and forget the broader
concept that others might perceive as the subject of the
discussion.
If I've contributed anything that helps build the bridge of
understanding of where various people are coming from, then I'm
glad I was able to do so. I just wanted to add my bit to
perhaps put things into a different perspective than has been
the case throughout this thread, as it seemed to be getting
much more personal than various comments likely called for, and
likely based on people talking past each other than with each
other.
Anyway, enough from me, and I appreciate your replying.
Best regards,
JoeB
| |
|
| Please don't drag me into your quarrels. Kris has tons of credit in my book.
This was information, that's all.
I guess I must be too stupid to die, since I'm still living!
Kiri (finished with this thread)
"All Things Mopar" <usenetMAPS123@comcast.net> schreef in bericht
news:Xns96064BEC0348FReplyToken@216.196.97.131...
> Kiri commented courteously ...
>
>
> Egad! Is there another person who can't see their own posts nor
> some of the replies? Kris, is Kiri also too stupid to live because
> he/she didn't research how to be a good Usenet neighbor and not
> fodder for your unusual approach to people skills?
>
> --
> ATM, aka Jerry
| |
|
|
JoeB wrote:
> "Joske" wrote
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> Hi Joske,
Helllo Joe.
> FWIW, I've drifted into this thread on and off (mostly off),
> and thought your post to Jerry was most thoughful. I just
> don't think it's going to help.
I know, I canceled it after I saw the response. But thank you for
the positive comment, so it wasn't all pearls before swine.
> While most of his other posts, here and elsewhere, are civil,
> this particular issue sounds more like a crusade that has him
> frustrated, as seems apparent in his reply to you (which
> included a rude comment about your lack of understanding). His
> responses to others who he thinks don't understand his position
> have been in a similar vein.
Crusades are hard to give up when there seems to be gold beyond the
horizon. I don't know for sure what Jerry's gold is, but it's
obviously not sympathy from the many he considers unimportant
'twits'. Then again, PSP has attracted its fair share of
chest-beaters and elbow-pushers for a longer while, so maybe it's
just a bug he's caught :-)
> I'm sure that, in fact, most others do know that Jerry respects
> Kris' knowledge and expertise. They are also likely aware that
> his problem with Kris is the way Kris sometimes comes across
> when responding to questions, which can, at times, be abrupt
> and even sound impatient or condescending when read in a text
> message. Over the years I've made passing comment on it
> myself.
Frankly, I feel Jerry is trying to get Kris to perform as a slave or
a circus monkey.
Yes, I know about the 'briefness'. But being northern European, it
would probably even have looked normal and acceptable to me back
then if it hadn't been for the ugliness from others here making it
difficult to see. I think I can 'hear' the sound of it, and to me it
sounds alright.
> My interpretation of Jerry's tirades (and of course - as he has
> pointed out - it's easy to mis-interpret in a text post) is
> that he seems to take other people's posts that criticize his
> as a kind of knee-jerk defense of Kris and fail to acknowledge
> that they understand that Jerry is only against Kris' tone and
> attitude (particularly because he represents Corel by
> association, even if he's not posting on behalf of Corel). So
> he becomes (and sounds) increasingly frustrated because nobody
> seems to acknowledge the "specific" point he is trying to make
> and only responds generally in defence of Kris.
I know. It is why I posted my story - only to be addressed
condescendingly once more. And to me, that has nothing to do with
whatever Jerry feels about one person. He has a general tendency to
view almost everyone as a 'twit' when he isn't being served or
favored. It's tiring.
> If he wishes to remain fixated and frustrated on this point (or
> simply cannot help himself), then the chances of him learning
> anything from your insight are likely slim.
> Some time ago on the Jasc forum many also wondered whether or
> not it was worth putting up with Greg, who for the most part
> was a rational contributor but had several issues that often
> went years back that he could not resolve or let go of. Some
> of us were able to work with him, but - understandably - those
> he would suddenly abuse in any way were hurt and upset, so the
> forum let him go. And I suspect his fixations also are still
> with him. It's not (IMHO) a fun way to live life, but each to
> his or her own, I guess.
To me, Jerry now is what Greg was once. Two people with a high need
for attention from 'hotshots'. Always asking, never giving. They
will get it when they are useful, they are dropped when their
behavior reflects badly on the 'hotshots'. But all the while they
have a high disregard for everyone else, even though it doesn't
always show.
And as with Jerry, I gave Greg, who was as disgusting as could be to
me for a long while, several chances. Only to see him pop up again
unprovoked with the same old filth. It's hard to let understanding
forever prevail over how one is being treated.
> But you tried, and I respect you for taking the time to give it
> a good, unemotional and reasoned effort.
Same to you, Joe.
Joske
| |
| All Things Mopar 2005-02-24, 6:41 pm |
| Joske commented courteously ...
> Frankly, I feel Jerry is trying to get Kris to
> perform as a slave or a circus monkey.
You don't have any idea what I am trying to do or not do.
I could comment, but I won't. Believe whatever you
like...
> It's tiring.
So are you.
> To me, Jerry now is what Greg was once. Two people
> with a high need for attention from 'hotshots'.
> Always asking,never giving.
[snip]
Wrong again. I ask little and contribute much. If you
choose to believe otherwise, that's your right.
--
ATM, aka Jerry
| |
| fugitive 2005-02-24, 6:41 pm |
| On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 17:18:59 +0100, "Joske" <j.backer@home.nl> wrote:
>
> JoeB wrote:
>
>
>
>
>Helllo Joe.
>
>
>I know, I canceled it after I saw the response. But thank you for
>the positive comment, so it wasn't all pearls before swine.
>
>
>Crusades are hard to give up when there seems to be gold beyond the
>horizon. I don't know for sure what Jerry's gold is, but it's
>obviously not sympathy from the many he considers unimportant
>'twits'. Then again, PSP has attracted its fair share of
>chest-beaters and elbow-pushers for a longer while, so maybe it's
>just a bug he's caught :-)
>
>
>Frankly, I feel Jerry is trying to get Kris to perform as a slave or
>a circus monkey.
>
>Yes, I know about the 'briefness'. But being northern European, it
>would probably even have looked normal and acceptable to me back
>then if it hadn't been for the ugliness from others here making it
>difficult to see. I think I can 'hear' the sound of it, and to me it
>sounds alright.
>
>
>I know. It is why I posted my story - only to be addressed
>condescendingly once more. And to me, that has nothing to do with
>whatever Jerry feels about one person. He has a general tendency to
>view almost everyone as a 'twit' when he isn't being served or
>favored. It's tiring.
>
>
>
>To me, Jerry now is what Greg was once. Two people with a high need
>for attention from 'hotshots'. Always asking, never giving. They
>will get it when they are useful, they are dropped when their
>behavior reflects badly on the 'hotshots'. But all the while they
>have a high disregard for everyone else, even though it doesn't
>always show.
>
>And as with Jerry, I gave Greg, who was as disgusting as could be to
>me for a long while, several chances. Only to see him pop up again
>unprovoked with the same old filth. It's hard to let understanding
>forever prevail over how one is being treated.
>
>
>Same to you, Joe.
>
>Joske
>
>
>
Some of this is actually entertaining, if somewhat off the mark. This
is a delusional person (joske) who was considered an out and out troll
by all in this group for quite some time. If not experienced by time,
please take everything she says with a hand full of salt.
Greg
http://gregsplace.50megs.com
http://www.picturetrail.com/fugitive1
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|
| A Soberon wrote:
>
>
> Excuse my limited comprehension of English, but I do not understand this
> phrase you wrote:
Can you comprehend this one?....
Kris Zaklika wrote:
> Don Stauffer in Minneapolis wrote:
>
>
> No.
!!!!!!! ---> :-)))))))))
Uni
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|
| "Joske" <j.backer@home.nl> j.backer@home.nl 24 Feb 2005 wrote in
news:cvkuqq$kq5$1@news5.zwoll1.ov.home.nl:
Take this gibberish to e-mail.
:-)
Thank you.
:-)
Uni
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