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can i make a multi-page document in Illustrator CS2?
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| RC_Moonpie 2007-02-26, 6:14 pm |
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I'm fairly new to CS2 and some new stuff has me really scratching my
head.
Now I cannot figure out how to do the simplest of things, I want to
add a second page to my document.
Anybody know how to do this? I cant find a Pages pallette or command
to add pages or anything.
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| On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:30:29 -0500, RC_Moonpie
<rc_moonpies@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>I'm fairly new to CS2 and some new stuff has me really scratching my
>head.
>
>Now I cannot figure out how to do the simplest of things, I want to
>add a second page to my document.
>
>Anybody know how to do this? I cant find a Pages pallette or command
>to add pages or anything.
>
>
Don't think of yourself as working on a "document" so much but as art
work on a single artboard.
You of course can work with individual text documents and I know of at
least 1 plugin, Hotdoor muiltipage, that will allow you to have
"multiple pages" within a single Illustrator document.
jbl
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| jbl wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:30:29 -0500, RC_Moonpie
> <rc_moonpies@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Don't think of yourself as working on a "document" so much but as art
> work on a single artboard.
>
> You of course can work with individual text documents and I know of at
> least 1 plugin, Hotdoor muiltipage, that will allow you to have
> "multiple pages" within a single Illustrator document.
>
> jbl
Hmm... I don't have CS2, but I was under the distinct impression that
Adobe had added the multipage function into Illy (as Freehand has had
for a long time). Don't like the idea of using either Illy or Freehand
as a document layout app, but in Freehand I used multiple pages at
different sizes to design small identity packages; business card,
letterhead, envelope; all viewable on the same artboard.
inez
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| RC_Moonpie 2007-02-27, 6:14 pm |
| On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 05:12:31 GMT, inez <nezmyth@or.fact> wrote:
>jbl wrote:
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>Hmm... I don't have CS2, but I was under the distinct impression that
>Adobe had added the multipage function into Illy (as Freehand has had
>for a long time).
I cant find it anywhere in the menu. I had earlier versions of
Illustrator and I'm pretty sure I remember they did have it. Its like
they removed it sometime ago. Or maybe I imagined it all along.
>Don't like the idea of using either Illy or Freehand
>as a document layout app,
me neither, and this is a rarity, but I'm having to set up a template
in Illustrator, for some two page documents orginally done in Quark,
for a foreign client who doesnt have Quark or InDesign.
I guess I'll just give them separate docs, one for the front, one for
the back, and let them figure it out.
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| ST.D.AL 2007-02-27, 6:14 pm |
| On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:30:29 -0500, RC_Moonpie in alt.graphics.illustrator wrote:
>I'm fairly new to CS2 and some new stuff has me really scratching my
>head.
>Now I cannot figure out how to do the simplest of things, I want to
>add a second page to my document.
>Anybody know how to do this? I cant find a Pages pallette or command
>to add pages or anything.
You can't. You're using the wrong tool. Use Adobe InDesign and continue
to use Illustrator to create vector graphics.
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| steggy 2007-02-27, 6:14 pm |
| RC_Moonpie wrote:
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> me neither, and this is a rarity, but I'm having to set up a template
> in Illustrator, for some two page documents orginally done in Quark,
> for a foreign client who doesnt have Quark or InDesign.
>
> I guess I'll just give them separate docs, one for the front, one for
> the back, and let them figure it out.
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Maybe this is omething you can use?
http://www.sketchpad.net/multipage.htm
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| On 2/27/07 4:28 PM, steggy commented:
> RC_Moonpie wrote:
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> Maybe this is omething you can use?
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> http://www.sketchpad.net/multipage.htm
Yup, I found this method a few times in search. Aparat from that, jbl was
right about the plugin: http://www.hotdoor.com/multipage/index.php
I forgot to mention another nice thing about multiple pages, to be able to
create multpile versions of a graphic or design and see/print them all in
the same doc.
inez
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| ST.D.AL 2007-02-28, 6:14 pm |
| On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:56:02 -0600, jbl in alt.graphics.illustrator wrote:
>On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:30:29 -0500, RC_Moonpie
><rc_moonpies@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Don't think of yourself as working on a "document" so much but as art
>work on a single artboard.
>You of course can work with individual text documents and I know of at
>least 1 plugin, Hotdoor muiltipage, that will allow you to have
>"multiple pages" within a single Illustrator document.
Yes but multipage cannot be done with vanilla Illustrator, Freehand can
though.
If one is doing this regularly then a plugin may be necessary. However
if one is doing this constantly then I see one using a full blown layout
application <ie> InDesign.
Really one has to think about sharing files as well -- If one doesn't
have the same plugin then they probably won't even be able to open the
file. Of course there is PDF.
If one is dealing with prepress, then handing off such a document
isn't really the way to go and will cause more problems then it's worth,
in my opinion.
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| ST.D.AL 2007-02-28, 6:14 pm |
| On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 05:12:31 GMT, inez in alt.graphics.illustrator wrote:
>Hmm... I don't have CS2, but I was under the distinct impression that
>Adobe had added the multipage function into Illy (as Freehand has had
>for a long time). Don't like the idea of using either Illy or Freehand
>as a document layout app, but in Freehand I used multiple pages at
>different sizes to design small identity packages; business card,
>letterhead, envelope; all viewable on the same artboard.
Freehand could, IllustratorCS2 cannot without a third party plugin.
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| ST.D.AL 2007-02-28, 6:14 pm |
| On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 23:28:50 +0100, steggy in alt.graphics.illustrator wrote:
>RC_Moonpie wrote:
[color=darkred]
>Maybe this is omething you can use?
>http://www.sketchpad.net/multipage.htm
If you're a designer for print, then I suggest you don't do stuff like
this, unless you wish to add to your prepress costs. How is a prepress
technician supposed to layout such a file?
If you're on your own then no probem, do whatever floats yer boat. :)
But in a managed workflow hacks like this are time wasters!
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| RC_Moonpie 2007-02-28, 6:14 pm |
| On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:56:45 -0600, inez <nezmyth@no.thank.you> wrote:
>On 2/27/07 4:28 PM, steggy commented:
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>Yup, I found this method a few times in search. Aparat from that, jbl was
>right about the plugin: http://www.hotdoor.com/multipage/index.php
>
>I forgot to mention another nice thing about multiple pages, to be able to
>create multpile versions of a graphic or design and see/print them all in
>the same doc.
>
>inez
thanks to all who posted... the plug in looked interesting, however, i
already finished the project... i just gave the end users two separate
Illustrator files, one for the front page and one for the back. They
can do with them what they will.
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| RC_Moonpie 2007-02-28, 6:14 pm |
| On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:18:26 -0500, "ST.D.AL" <marathon@linux.ca>
wrote:
>On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:56:02 -0600, jbl in alt.graphics.illustrator wrote:
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>Yes but multipage cannot be done with vanilla Illustrator, Freehand can
>though.
>
>If one is doing this regularly then a plugin may be necessary. However
>if one is doing this constantly then I see one using a full blown layout
>application <ie> InDesign.
>
>Really one has to think about sharing files as well -- If one doesn't
>have the same plugin then they probably won't even be able to open the
>file. Of course there is PDF.
>
>If one is dealing with prepress, then handing off such a document
>isn't really the way to go and will cause more problems then it's worth,
>in my opinion.
If you read my original post, this was a special case, a very unusual
scenario. I needed to convert a two page document originally done in
Quark 4, to Illustrator, for a foreign vendor. They didnt have Quark
or Freehand or InDesign; the only thing we had in common was
illustrator, and that's what they requested.
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| RC_Moonpie 2007-02-28, 6:14 pm |
| On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 11:27:43 -0500, RC_Moonpie
<rc_moonpies@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:18:26 -0500, "ST.D.AL" <marathon@linux.ca>
>wrote:
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>If you read my original post, this was a special case, a very unusual
>scenario. I needed to convert a two page document originally done in
>Quark 4, to Illustrator, for a foreign vendor. They didnt have Quark
>or Freehand or InDesign; the only thing we had in common was
>illustrator, and that's what they requested.
>
oh sorry, just realized, i didnt mention that on my original post, but
a subsequent one.
carry on then everyone and thanks for all the suggestions
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| steggy 2007-02-28, 6:14 pm |
| inez wrote:
> On 2/27/07 4:28 PM, steggy commented:
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> Yup, I found this method a few times in search. Aparat from that, jbl was
> right about the plugin: http://www.hotdoor.com/multipage/index.php
>
> I forgot to mention another nice thing about multiple pages, to be able to
> create multpile versions of a graphic or design and see/print them all in
> the same doc.
>
> inez
>
Yeah well Inez.......point is that ultimately that is the
reason for Indesign (OK OK OK OK Quark also, if they still
are alive).
And what about PDF? Ow and I will email you in a little while;)
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| On 2/28/07 3:27 PM, steggy commented:
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> Yeah well Inez.......point is that ultimately that is the
> reason for Indesign (OK OK OK OK Quark also, if they still
> are alive).
>
I wasn't talking about document layouts or final output. I'm talking about a
workflow option for versions for original graphics/llustrations/design or
packages where I initially like to see everything together. In Freehand I
can see/work on a business card, letterhead and envelope design all
together, which I find helpful. I still use it at times for planning out a
package. I don't encourage using graphics apps for layout OR layout apps for
graphics. I was referring to a workflow option I miss in Illustrator, though
it can be accomplished with workarounds. I miss it in Quark as well, as far
as the artboard option in concerned. Unless InDesign offers a different type
of artboard than Quark, you can't see and move around your different pages
for a single view as with Freehand.
http://imagessence.com/freehand_artboard.gif
It's not how I'd save or share the final files.
Trivia of my trivial life: I seem to remember (in the olden days) that many
forms printers preferred Freehand files, second choice was Pagemaker, and
they frequently wouldn't accept Quark at all. (This was pre PDF and
InDesign; gawd, I'm old...) Aside from business cards and letterheads, some
of my first layout/design work was in business forms.
Quark is still alive. . . for a while.
Can't wait for a chance to work in InDesign. I like having more than one
choice in applications. I bet it'll be quite a challenge adjusting from QXP
to Indy.
> And what about PDF? Ow and I will email you in a little while;)
As for PDF, I think the OP needed to send editable templates and PDF can be
bothersome to edit. RC's solution of saving separate pages was probably the
best idea.
Can't wait to hear from you, steg:)
inez
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| RC_Moonpie 2007-03-01, 6:14 pm |
| On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:53:40 -0600, inez <nezmyth@no.thank.you> wrote:
>Can't wait for a chance to work in InDesign. I like having more than one
>choice in applications. I bet it'll be quite a challenge adjusting from QXP
>to Indy.
not really. they're quite similar altho InDesign blows Quark away in
many areas. InDesign has a built in set of shortcuts that mimic Quark
so you dont have to learn any new ones. I bought a Deke McClelland
training video, moving from Quark to InDesign, watched it once, and
was off and running and never looked back.
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| On 3/1/07 7:30 AM, RC_Moonpie commented:
> On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:53:40 -0600, inez <nezmyth@no.thank.you> wrote:
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> not really. they're quite similar altho InDesign blows Quark away in
> many areas. InDesign has a built in set of shortcuts that mimic Quark
> so you dont have to learn any new ones. I bought a Deke McClelland
> training video, moving from Quark to InDesign, watched it once, and
> was off and running and never looked back.
That's good to know. I learned Quark "on the fly" and on the job, several
years ago. I found it simple and intuitive to learn, for the most part.
Admittedly, there are several things I still don't know in Quark since I've
never had a use for them. I only seem to learn by using.
But ALL my apps are so old that I know I'm in for a learning curve.
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| RC_Moonpie 2007-03-01, 6:14 pm |
| On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 11:22:02 -0600, inez <nezmyth@no.thank.you> wrote:
>On 3/1/07 7:30 AM, RC_Moonpie commented:
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>That's good to know. I learned Quark "on the fly" and on the job, several
>years ago. I found it simple and intuitive to learn, for the most part.
>Admittedly, there are several things I still don't know in Quark since I've
>never had a use for them. I only seem to learn by using.
>
>But ALL my apps are so old that I know I'm in for a learning curve.
and sticker shock. I hadda buy the full retail version of CS2, couldnt
upgrade. 1200 bucks. ouch.
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| On 3/1/07 11:44 AM, RC_Moonpie commented:
> and sticker shock. I hadda buy the full retail version of CS2, couldnt
> upgrade. 1200 bucks. ouch.
Damn! Thought you could upgrade from any version of Photoshop (full
version), and maybe even ol' Pagemaker.
I can't do anything till I can atleast get an intermediate upgrade on my
equipment. I'm running on 350Mhz. *sigh* I'm thinking of changing my logo to
a tortoise;)
inez
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| On 3/1/07 2:47 PM, inez commented:
> On 3/1/07 11:44 AM, RC_Moonpie commented:
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> Damn! Thought you could upgrade from any version of Photoshop (full
> version), and maybe even ol' Pagemaker.
I also find it out-freaking-rageous that CS Standard doesn't include
Acrobat. That really sticks in my craw and I see it as a nasty sign of
things to come.
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| steggy 2007-03-01, 6:14 pm |
| inez wrote:
> On 3/1/07 2:47 PM, inez commented:
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> I also find it out-freaking-rageous that CS Standard doesn't include
> Acrobat. That really sticks in my craw and I see it as a nasty sign of
> things to come.
>
That's right. And Acrobat is essential nowadays in design
world. The full Acrobat that is. But hey, merchandising,
what can be better?
On the other hand: the Preflight in InDesign never ever let
me down. All mistakes (RGB instead of CMYK, wrong fonts, PMS
where it should be process) they were all detected.
A safe preflight in Acrobat afterwards for the PDF's? All
flawless.
And PitStop (Certified PDF), get away....
Now this asks for discussion:)
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| On 3/1/07 3:50 PM, steggy commented:
> And PitStop (Certified PDF), get away....
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> Now this asks for discussion:)
Well, I know I can't afford Pitstop, LOL. I've thought of Pitstop as a PDF
fixer/editor, but if you can catch the problems natively in InDesign, then
Acrobat, and have the original files, guess you can just go back and fix the
originals and re PDF. Suppose there could be glitches in the PDF process
though. It's always a little tougher when you have to deal with a variety of
printers and their workfllows. Guess that's a good reason to keep prepress
departments in place on the printers' end, gawd blessum;)
Believe it or not, we had NO form of prefilght at the newspaper I worked at.
I begged for it but never got it. Really stupid for such a deadline-oriented
operation.
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| ST.D.AL 2007-03-03, 6:14 pm |
| On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 11:27:43 -0500, RC_Moonpie in alt.graphics.illustrator wrote:
>On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:18:26 -0500, "ST.D.AL" <marathon@linux.ca>
>wrote:
[color=darkred]
>If you read my original post, this was a special case, a very unusual
>scenario. I needed to convert a two page document originally done in
>Quark 4, to Illustrator, for a foreign vendor. They didnt have Quark
>or Freehand or InDesign; the only thing we had in common was
>illustrator, and that's what they requested.
OK Sounds like your foreign vendor isn't up to speed with recent
applicatons and/or workflows. Sounds like outsourcing to South Asia or
Eastern Europe. I have seen terrible results presonally, going that
route. But I guess the savings are worth it to some people. <sigh>
Good Luck. Anyone that doesn't use PDF for this type of work is a little
different. I'd be wary of the final product. <shrug>
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