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| hamshar 2005-09-28, 6:14 pm |
| As soon as I get my trademarks registered for my tiny, tiny, tiny business I
want to get a great logo, name, et al designed. This is for a musical
group. I thought I could ask for submissions in a couple of forums, let
all interested submit, and then only pay the one I accept. Can someone
suggest where I might do this besides the two usenet groups I am posting
this to??
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| Well I think I'll look for a blow job and let only the best, spit.
How's that sound?
Drew
hamshar wrote:
> As soon as I get my trademarks registered for my tiny, tiny, tiny business I
> want to get a great logo, name, et al designed. This is for a musical
> group. I thought I could ask for submissions in a couple of forums, let
> all interested submit, and then only pay the one I accept. Can someone
> suggest where I might do this besides the two usenet groups I am posting
> this to??
>
>
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| woods 2005-09-28, 10:14 pm |
| In article <oDD_e.6429$il4.2340@trnddc04>,
"hamshar" <hamshar@verizon.net> wrote:
> I thought I could ask for submissions in a couple of forums, let
> all interested submit, and then only pay the one I accept.
that's called a contest and we do not approve of such methods.
>Can someone
> suggest where I might do this besides the two usenet groups I am posting
> this to??
google graphic design. god knows there are thousands of us about. your
task is to find one you like and work with and pay him/her what they are
worth.
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| iehsmith 2005-09-29, 3:14 am |
| On 9/28/05 4:08 PM, hamshar uttered:
> As soon as I get my trademarks registered for my tiny, tiny, tiny business I
> want to get a great logo, name, et al designed. This is for a musical
> group. I thought I could ask for submissions in a couple of forums, let
> all interested submit, and then only pay the one I accept. Can someone
> suggest where I might do this besides the two usenet groups I am posting
> this to??
http://www.creativelatitude.com/art...r_dcontest.html
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| Davémon 2005-09-29, 6:14 pm |
| hamshar wrote:
> As soon as I get my trademarks registered for my tiny, tiny, tiny business I
> want to get a great logo, name, et al designed. This is for a musical
> group. I thought I could ask for submissions in a couple of forums, let
> all interested submit, and then only pay the one I accept. Can someone
> suggest where I might do this besides the two usenet groups I am posting
> this to??
You might try your local design college, a tutor might set it as a
'live' project if your project was interesting enough and the terms were
good, you'd probably get about 20 designs to choose from. I certainly
did projects like that, not sure what the college charged the clients tho'.
--
Davémon
http://www.nightsoil.co.uk
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"Davémon" <nospam@nowhere.no> wrote in message
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| hamshar wrote:
| > As soon as I get my trademarks registered for my tiny, tiny, tiny
business I
| > want to get a great logo, name, et al designed. This is for a
musical
| > group. I thought I could ask for submissions in a couple of forums,
let
| > all interested submit, and then only pay the one I accept. Can
someone
| > suggest where I might do this besides the two usenet groups I am
posting
| > this to??
|
| You might try your local design college, a tutor might set it as a
| 'live' project if your project was interesting enough and the terms were
| good, you'd probably get about 20 designs to choose from. I certainly
| did projects like that, not sure what the college charged the clients
tho'.
Any school that does things that way is cheating their students in many
ways.
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| hamshar 2005-10-07, 10:14 pm |
| Not to be impolite, but most of what I got back was horse shit. one guy
told me 10-15000 dollars would be on the low side. kiss my low side. I am
through paying good money for things I can't use. I can go to the junior
colleges or the junior high schools to get what I need. I can go homeless
people with a pen and paper and get what I need for 20 dollar balloon of
smack. I need a picture ( ta-da!) of what I WANT a picture of -- not any
crap that pops into somebody's head ( I know -- "we NEVER work to 'speck'
" ) Wwell, first of all it's SPEC you illiterate moron. A SPECK is what you
get on your glasses. SPEC is short for SPEC-ification. I don't need to
tell someone my company is named wishing well something or other and get
back a picture of a troll or Bambi's rear end because that's what it made
you 'feel'. IF my company was wishing well then I want a drawing of a GOD
DAMN WELL.
What I asked for was suggestions on where I could post information about a
CONTEST. Not a bunch of people telling me THEY don't do that. That's a
good example of how your brain works. Your answers, just like your expensive
art has no relation to the request. If I wanted a lofo for a gay dance club
you would probably draw me a naked woman, becuase YOU don't like other men.
For 20,000 dollars in advance, please.
Thank you to the two people that actually sent meaningful responses.
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| woods 2005-10-07, 10:14 pm |
| In article <05E1f.4925$Tn5.3322@trnddc08>,
"hamshar" <hamshar@verizon.net> wrote:
> Not to be impolite, but most of what I got back was horse shit. one guy
> told me 10-15000 dollars would be on the low side. kiss my low side. I am
> through paying good money for things I can't use. I can go to the junior
> colleges or the junior high schools to get what I need. I can go homeless
> people with a pen and paper and get what I need for 20 dollar balloon of
> smack. I need a picture ( ta-da!) of what I WANT a picture of -- not any
> crap that pops into somebody's head ( I know -- "we NEVER work to 'speck'
> " ) Wwell, first of all it's SPEC you illiterate moron. A SPECK is what you
> get on your glasses. SPEC is short for SPEC-ification. I don't need to
> tell someone my company is named wishing well something or other and get
> back a picture of a troll or Bambi's rear end because that's what it made
> you 'feel'. IF my company was wishing well then I want a drawing of a GOD
> DAMN WELL.
>
> What I asked for was suggestions on where I could post information about a
> CONTEST. Not a bunch of people telling me THEY don't do that. That's a
> good example of how your brain works. Your answers, just like your expensive
> art has no relation to the request. If I wanted a lofo for a gay dance club
> you would probably draw me a naked woman, becuase YOU don't like other men.
> For 20,000 dollars in advance, please.
>
> Thank you to the two people that actually sent meaningful responses.
you'd sound like a great person to work for.
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|
| "woods"
|
| > Not to be impolite, but most of what I got back was horse shit. one
guy
| > told me 10-15000 dollars would be on the low side. kiss my low side.
I am
| > through paying good money for things I can't use. I can go to the
junior
| > colleges or the junior high schools to get what I need. I can go
homeless
| > people with a pen and paper and get what I need for 20 dollar balloon of
| > smack. I need a picture ( ta-da!) of what I WANT a picture of -- not
any
| > crap that pops into somebody's head ( I know -- "we NEVER work to
'speck'
| > " ) Wwell, first of all it's SPEC you illiterate moron. A SPECK is what
you
| > get on your glasses. SPEC is short for SPEC-ification. I don't need to
| > tell someone my company is named wishing well something or other and get
| > back a picture of a troll or Bambi's rear end because that's what it
made
| > you 'feel'. IF my company was wishing well then I want a drawing of a
GOD
| > DAMN WELL.
| >
| > What I asked for was suggestions on where I could post information
about a
| > CONTEST. Not a bunch of people telling me THEY don't do that. That's
a
| > good example of how your brain works. Your answers, just like your
expensive
| > art has no relation to the request. If I wanted a lofo for a gay dance
club
| > you would probably draw me a naked woman, becuase YOU don't like other
men.
| > For 20,000 dollars in advance, please.
| >
| > Thank you to the two people that actually sent meaningful responses.
|
| you'd sound like a great person to work for.
ROFLM*O ouch that had to hurt.
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| iehsmith 2005-10-08, 3:14 am |
| On 10/7/05 7:07 PM, hamshar uttered:
> SPEC is short for SPEC-ification.
That's what SPEC is in printing and other things. But when it comes to 'you
may or may not get paid for you work' it's work on SPECulation.
I don't google, I dogpile (so watch where you step); go here:
http://www.designcontest.net/
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| "hamshar"
| Not to be impolite, but most of what I got back was horse shit. one guy
| told me 10-15000 dollars would be on the low side. kiss my low side. I
| am through paying good money for things I can't use.
If you can't use *it* why are you shoping in the first place?
As to the price might be right for his work product and his studio. I can't
speak for his equipment, staff or overhead. At one time we had high rent
studio space but no longer yet we have *raised* our fees regardless. Why?
because we deliver what our clients want at what they see as a fair price.
Perhaps it's because we deliver work product that both saves and makes them
money. Obviously you're not in that class of client.
You might get a Church choir soloist to perform at your kids 13th birthday
for $100 but I doubt if Ringo Star would return your phone call for 100X
that amount.
| I can go to the junior
| colleges or the junior high schools to get what I need. I can go homeless
| people with a pen and paper and get what I need for 20 dollar balloon of
| smack. I need a picture ( ta-da!) of what I WANT a picture of -- not any
| crap that pops into somebody's head ( I know -- "we NEVER work to 'speck'
| " ) Wwell, first of all it's SPEC you illiterate moron. A SPECK is what
| you get on your glasses. SPEC is short for SPEC-ification.
Try getting an engineer to design on spec-ification (I know I've been one
for years and have the patents to prove it and a successful business model
won't allow it.) And while we're at it would you want to ride in a airliner
designed by an undergraduate (aka student) engineer?
I run a business. Like the old trucker's joke. ' A**, Grass or Cash, nobody
rides for free' and since you're obviously not my type and I don't do drugs
the only thing left is CASH. And like they say in Texas: Money Talks and
Bull Sh|t walks. Am I to understand you've got your hiking boots on?
As to the quality of the work product: Do you want the oats before or after
they've been though the horse? Both price points are available, the
selection is up to you.
As to student work. Many do very fine work, for a student, but have you any
understanding why they are called *students*? Your choice: source from
someone who is studying how its done or from someone that's been making a
living by doing what the student is trying to learn.
| I don't need to tell someone my company is named wishing well something or
| other and get back a picture of a troll or Bambi's rear end because that's
| what it made you 'feel'. IF my company was wishing well then I want a
| drawing of a GOD DAMN WELL.
Might/might not be the best for your corporate/product ID. Many of us have
been in this a long time and some for a *very* long time so I guess we don't
know WTF we're doing regardless.
ToysRus has Crayola brand (the really good stuff) and craft paper. Knock
yourself out and buy the 64 pack professional kit. (but be sure to file the
copy right -- you don't what to chance that one of those here might steal
your work product.) Hint those that know what we're doing can do the deed
with three colors (four if it's an off set crayon box)
| What I asked for was suggestions on where I could post information about
a CONTEST. Not a bunch of people telling me THEY don't do that. That's a
| good example of how your brain works. Your answers, just like your
expensive art has no relation to the request. If I wanted a lofo for a gay
dance club you would probably draw me a naked woman, because YOU don't like
other men. For 20,000 dollars in advance, please.
So you've never heard of Transvestite Bars and Drag Queens? Best stay out
of parts of the French Quarter (New Orleans) as you won't find out what
you've got till you get back to the hotel ... your date will be packing and
not a gun. And before you go off on that comment I'm straight but have more
than a few good friends who are gay.
Legitimate contest are few and far between. 99.99% of the post to these ng
(and other venues) with regard to contest are nothing more than fishing
expeditions hoping someone will bite and provide fee art work. (See Texas
comment above)
But them we don't enter so we can't win contest. While our studio is not
famous for anything we are well known for quality work product. We are
profitable (which means we don't work for free or for glory) and by that
measure we are successful.
Your business plan OTOH apparently can't afford to pay for what you need to
do the job.
alt.micro-give-a-sh|t news group is ===> that way.
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| "hamshar"
| Not to be impolite, but most of what I got back was horse shit. one guy
| told me 10-15000 dollars would be on the low side. kiss my low side. I
| am through paying good money for things I can't use.
If you can't use *it* why are you shoping in the first place?
As to the price might be right for his work product and his studio. I can't
speak for his equipment, staff or overhead. At one time we had high rent
studio space but no longer yet we have *raised* our fees regardless. Why?
because we deliver what our clients want at what they see as a fair price.
Perhaps it's because we deliver work product that both saves and makes them
money. Obviously you're not in that class of client.
You might get a Church choir soloist to perform at your kids 13th birthday
for $100 but I doubt if Ringo Star would return your phone call for 100X
that amount.
| I can go to the junior
| colleges or the junior high schools to get what I need. I can go homeless
| people with a pen and paper and get what I need for 20 dollar balloon of
| smack. I need a picture ( ta-da!) of what I WANT a picture of -- not any
| crap that pops into somebody's head ( I know -- "we NEVER work to 'speck'
| " ) Wwell, first of all it's SPEC you illiterate moron. A SPECK is what
| you get on your glasses. SPEC is short for SPEC-ification.
Try getting an engineer to design on spec-ulation (I know I've been one for
years and have the patents to prove it and a successful business model
doesn't allow it.) And while we're at it would you want to ride in a
airliner designed by an undergraduate (aka student) engineer?
I run a business. Like the old trucker's joke. ' A**, Grass or Cash, nobody
rides for free' and since you're obviously not my type and I don't do drugs
the only thing left is CASH. And like they say in Texas: Money Talks and
Bull Sh|t walks. Am I to understand you've got your hiking boots on?
As to the quality of the work product: Do you want the oats before or after
they've been though the horse? Both price points are available, the
selection is up to you.
As to student work. Many do very fine work, for a student, but have you any
understanding why they are called *students*? Your choice: source from
someone who is studying how its done or from someone that's been making a
living by doing what the student is trying to learn.
| I don't need to tell someone my company is named wishing well something or
| other and get back a picture of a troll or Bambi's rear end because that's
| what it made you 'feel'. IF my company was wishing well then I want a
| drawing of a GOD DAMN WELL.
Might/might not be the best for your corporate/product ID. Many of us have
been in this a long time and some for a *very* long time so I guess we don't
know WTF we're doing regardless.
ToysRus has Crayola brand (the really good stuff) and craft paper. Knock
yourself out and buy the 64 pack professional kit. (but be sure to file the
copy right -- you don't what to chance that one of those here might steal
your work product.) Hint those that know what we're doing can do the deed
with three colors (four if it's an off set crayon box)
| What I asked for was suggestions on where I could post information about
a CONTEST. Not a bunch of people telling me THEY don't do that. That's a
| good example of how your brain works. Your answers, just like your
expensive art has no relation to the request. If I wanted a lofo for a gay
dance club you would probably draw me a naked woman, because YOU don't like
other men. For 20,000 dollars in advance, please.
So you've never heard of Transvestite Bars and Drag Queens? Best stay out
of parts of the French Quarter (New Orleans) as you won't find out what
you've got till you get back to the hotel ... your date will be packing and
not a gun. And before you go off on that comment I'm straight but have more
than a few good friends who are gay.
Legitimate contest are few and far between. 99.99% of the post to these ng
(and other venues) with regard to contest are nothing more than fishing
expeditions hoping someone will bite and provide fee art work. (See Texas
comment above)
But them we don't enter so we can't win contest. While our studio is not
famous for anything we are well known for quality work product. We are
profitable (which means we don't work for free or for glory) and by that
measure we are successful.
Your business plan OTOH apparently can't afford to pay for what you need to
do the job.
alt.micro-give-a-sh|t news group is ===> that way.
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| Constance Pierce 2005-10-08, 6:14 pm |
| In article <oDD_e.6429$il4.2340@trnddc04>,
"hamshar" <hamshar@verizon.net> wrote:
> As soon as I get my trademarks registered for my tiny, tiny, tiny business I
> want to get a great logo, name, et al designed. This is for a musical
> group. I thought I could ask for submissions in a couple of forums, let
> all interested submit, and then only pay the one I accept. Can someone
> suggest where I might do this besides the two usenet groups I am posting
> this to??
At the risk of further inflaming this subject, it was really bad form to
ask a group comprised of professional designers to work on spec
(speculation). Not only is that not the safe way for a designer to do
business, the Graphic Arts Guild won't support us if we make the
occasional exception to do it. It's unethical and rather insulting.
We're not performing animals to jump and do tricks, praying for a treat
from you. You're asking a designer to take time away from other
projects, other marketing opps, or just time that they could have spent
with their friends or family, all for the privilege of performing for
you and risking rejection (by having designers compete for your dubious
attentions, all but one WILL be rejected). The risks, in a venture like
this, outweigh the benefits, IMHO.
And you know you WERE asking just that. If you REALLY wanted to find a
good place to post a contest, a simple search of google would have given
you scads of answers. "Design Contest" would have brought up hundreds,
I'm sure.
Too, you mentioned being able to go to a local college and finding
someone to create your logo for cheaper than a few quoted you. If that
is the case, I recommend you do it. We are talented, skilled
professionals, and we charge as such. Bargain basement pricing is
discouraged here, and as you can see, we tend to back each other. An
insult to one seems to be, as far as I have seen in my few days here, an
insult to all.
Perhaps I'm being hard on you. But you brought it on yourself by
critising the prices set by the professionals who responded to your ad.
They have every right to price their work as they see fit, just as you
have every right to price out your band's gigs. If you quote a nudie bar
$1000 for a single night's performance, you have that right. Just as
they have the right to say "No thanks, I can't afford that."
But again, if you are looking for bargain basement pricing, I suggest
you either google for "design contest" or visit your local high school
or community college. Or even try a site like Contracted Work or eLance.
There's more than enough desperate, starving artists there to fit your
needs. If you were intelligent enough to find this (and the other forums
you've posted to) newsgroup, you should be intelligent enough to google
for freelancers.
--
Constance Pierce
principal/designer
pierceDESIGN
www.pierceillus.com
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|
|
"Constance Pierce"
<snip>
| But again, if you are looking for bargain basement pricing, I suggest
| you either google for "design contest" or visit your local high school
| or community college. Or even try a site like Contracted Work or eLance.
| There's more than enough desperate, starving artists there to fit your
| needs. If you were intelligent enough to find this (and the other forums
| you've posted to) newsgroup, you should be intelligent enough to google
| for freelancers.
All good comments. I would add a caution when dealing with non
professionals (and some professionals) best to watch the copy right issues
as you may wind up buying someone else's property (the Brooklyn Bridge is
available even today). Some are mistakes of not knowing better others (as
exampled by previous post on this and other news groups) are deliberate.
The problem is performing a due diligence search to make the determination
is *very* expensive.
The complication with abuse of copy right 'I didn't know' is not a defense
and statuary penalties start at $100K.
| |
| Constance Pierce 2005-10-08, 10:14 pm |
| In article <0gS1f.4796$dO5.1879@fe07.lga>, "NotMe" <me@privacy.net>
wrote:
> "Constance Pierce"
> <snip>
>
> | But again, if you are looking for bargain basement pricing, I suggest
> | you either google for "design contest" or visit your local high school
> | or community college. Or even try a site like Contracted Work or eLance.
> | There's more than enough desperate, starving artists there to fit your
> | needs. If you were intelligent enough to find this (and the other forums
> | you've posted to) newsgroup, you should be intelligent enough to google
> | for freelancers.
>
> All good comments. I would add a caution when dealing with non
> professionals (and some professionals) best to watch the copy right issues
> as you may wind up buying someone else's property (the Brooklyn Bridge is
> available even today). Some are mistakes of not knowing better others (as
> exampled by previous post on this and other news groups) are deliberate.
> The problem is performing a due diligence search to make the determination
> is *very* expensive.
>
> The complication with abuse of copy right 'I didn't know' is not a defense
> and statuary penalties start at $100K.
Yes, I know . . . I was just very irritated and honestly wasn't very
concerned about whether or not his future lies in Civil court. (-: I
went off on a bit of a rant! To those that I offended or embarrassed,
pls accept my apologies. Except the original poster, of course! (-;
--
Constance Pierce
principal/designer
pierceDESIGN
www.pierceillus.com
| |
| NotMe 2005-10-08, 10:14 pm |
|
"Constance Pierce"
| >
| > | But again, if you are looking for bargain basement pricing, I suggest
| > | you either google for "design contest" or visit your local high school
| > | or community college. Or even try a site like Contracted Work or
eLance.
| > | There's more than enough desperate, starving artists there to fit your
| > | needs. If you were intelligent enough to find this (and the other
forums
| > | you've posted to) newsgroup, you should be intelligent enough to
google
| > | for freelancers.
| >
| > All good comments. I would add a caution when dealing with non
| > professionals (and some professionals) best to watch the copy right
issues
| > as you may wind up buying someone else's property (the Brooklyn Bridge
is
| > available even today). Some are mistakes of not knowing better others
(as
| > exampled by previous post on this and other news groups) are deliberate.
| > The problem is performing a due diligence search to make the
determination
| > is *very* expensive.
| >
| > The complication with abuse of copy right 'I didn't know' is not a
defense
| > and statuary penalties start at $100K.
|
| Yes, I know . . . I was just very irritated and honestly wasn't very
| concerned about whether or not his future lies in Civil court. (-: I
| went off on a bit of a rant! To those that I offended or embarrassed,
| pls accept my apologies. Except the original poster, of course! (-;
I was not taking any issue (in fact I am vrey much in agreed) with your
comments. My point too was to give the OP and anyone else a heads up on
what to watch for in the arena of copy right abuse.
| |
| Constance Pierce 2005-10-09, 6:15 pm |
| In article <05E1f.4925$Tn5.3322@trnddc08>,
"hamshar" <hamshar@verizon.net> wrote:
> Wwell, first of all it's SPEC you illiterate moron. A SPECK is what you
> get on your glasses. SPEC is short for SPEC-ification. I don't need to
> tell someone my company is named wishing well something or other and get
> back a picture of a troll or Bambi's rear end because that's what it made
> you 'feel'. IF my company was wishing well then I want a drawing of a GOD
> DAMN WELL.
HAMMY ~
BTW, DOOFUS, "Spec" is a term we use in graphic design . . . damn nigh
every GD I know uses that term. It's part of our lingo. And BTW, if you
hadn't noticed YOU moron, you're in a bloody GD newsgroup!! If you were
sitting in a Medical NG, would you assume that MRI was a misspelling?
Probably . . .
We have two "Spec" (s) that we use in this industry ~ SPEC-ification
(detail or parameter used in a job description; and SPEC-ulation, which
is essentially, auditioning for a job with no assurances of completion.
And I know of NO designers who design outside of what the client needs.
You're thinking of FINE art, not GRAPHIC art. Part of our education is
marketing, knowing what elements inspire/imply certain qualities that
will enhance the client's image. If the client's company name is
"Wishing Well," then we might create a stylized or photorealistic
wishing well as part of the logo. But I know of no designers who would
create a logotype of a deer's arse for a company named "Wishing Well."
Unless, of course, it was perhaps a portrait of the owner (meaning YOU).
Unfortunately, people skills and good communication skills are vital on
both sides of the fence ~ not only the GD needs them, but the client,
too. In your case, I would highly suggest that you employ someone to act
on your behalf. Because, you, sir, are an anti-social idiot. I see
extreme psycho-therapy in your future, possibly involving electric shock?
NOT ME ~ You are being amazingly generous being concerned whether or not
this horse's arse is ever in a copyright infringement suit. That is
extremely professional of you, and completely undeserved on HAMMY's
behalf. (-;
--
Constance Pierce
principal/designer
pierceDESIGN
www.pierceillus.com
| |
|
| "Constance Pierce"
| NOT ME ~ You are being amazingly generous being concerned whether or not
| this horse's arse is ever in a copyright infringement suit. That is
| extremely professional of you, and completely undeserved on HAMMY's
| behalf. (-;
I've an option on the I TOLD YOU SO (TM) and just wanted to validate my
rights to the opportunity. <g>
Interesting part just because one of *us* mentioned it I would expect him to
get himself nailed just for spite.
Not that the unlettered have an monopoly on stupidity. I was just told by a
big fish (potential) client's in house attorney that they were going to use
a previous GA (copy righted) work product in our project even though their
company did not have the rights. (they had stiffed the original GA ... his
words not mine)
We were well along in the preliminary stages but we're sending them a
certified letter resigning the project and outlining the reasons in detail.
We're also waving the earned fees to date and requesting they destroy all
copies of the comps we've submitted. There is a formal request for an
acknowledgement confirming the destruction over a corporate officers
signature.
Unlikely we'll get that but we do have a record of the request.
As an aside: while warning Hammy is likely a waste of time anyone else
reading the warning might proceed more carefully and deal properly with
others copy rights.
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| iehsmith 2005-10-09, 6:15 pm |
| Kind of a side issue to this...
I'm wondering how legality is established when a client wants a look-a-like
logo; close typography style, shapes, colors; to basically hitch a ride from
a well-known identity. How far can they go with this sort of thing? I've
read marketing stuff saying that it can sometimes be a good strategy, but it
sounds down right scary to me and I don't know that I'd want to do this for
a client.
inez
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"iehsmith" <inezhsmithspammenot@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:BF6EE71D.3D909%inezhsmithspammenot@earthlink.net...
| Kind of a side issue to this...
|
| I'm wondering how legality is established when a client wants a
look-a-like
| logo; close typography style, shapes, colors; to basically hitch a ride
from
| a well-known identity. How far can they go with this sort of thing? I've
| read marketing stuff saying that it can sometimes be a good strategy, but
it
| sounds down right scary to me and I don't know that I'd want to do this
for
| a client.
Put something similar to the whole harmless clause posted previously in the
contract (it's in the packet I sent you a while back). As for our shop we
don't touch anything that is that dicey as while we can deal with the legal
side we can't afford the exposure to bad publicity. Then too any client that
would stoop to that level would likely stick it to us in a heart beat. Some
folk you are better off to hand them a $20 bill, shake their hand and sent
them down the road for the grief doing business with them will likely bring.
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| zenboom 2005-10-09, 10:14 pm |
|
"NotMe" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:7Ed2f.10102$Ue7.1010@fe03.lga...
> "Constance Pierce"
>
> | NOT ME ~ You are being amazingly generous being concerned whether or not
> | this horse's arse is ever in a copyright infringement suit. That is
> | extremely professional of you, and completely undeserved on HAMMY's
> | behalf. (-;
>
> I've an option on the I TOLD YOU SO (TM) and just wanted to validate my
> rights to the opportunity. <g>
>
> Interesting part just because one of *us* mentioned it I would expect him
to
> get himself nailed just for spite.
>
> Not that the unlettered have an monopoly on stupidity. I was just told by
a
> big fish (potential) client's in house attorney that they were going to
use
> a previous GA (copy righted) work product in our project even though their
> company did not have the rights. (they had stiffed the original GA ...
his
> words not mine)
>
> We were well along in the preliminary stages but we're sending them a
> certified letter resigning the project and outlining the reasons in
detail.
> We're also waving the earned fees to date and requesting they destroy all
> copies of the comps we've submitted. There is a formal request for an
> acknowledgement confirming the destruction over a corporate officers
> signature.
>
> Unlikely we'll get that but we do have a record of the request.
>
<snip>
hmph... why waive due payment, tho? did your contract cover this issue?
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| iehsmith 2005-10-09, 10:14 pm |
| On 10/9/05 4:00 PM, NotMe uttered:
>
> "iehsmith" <inezhsmithspammenot@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:BF6EE71D.3D909%inezhsmithspammenot@earthlink.net...
> | Kind of a side issue to this... | | I'm wondering how legality is
> established when a client wants a look-a-like | logo; close typography style,
> shapes, colors; to basically hitch a ride from | a well-known identity. How
> far can they go with this sort of thing? I've | read marketing stuff saying
> that it can sometimes be a good strategy, but it | sounds down right scary to
> me and I don't know that I'd want to do this for | a client.
> Some folk you are better off to hand them a $20 bill, shake their hand and
> sent them down the road for the grief doing business with them will likely
> bring.
Yeah, I tend to agree.
| |
| NotMe 2005-10-09, 10:14 pm |
| "zenboom"
| > | NOT ME ~ You are being amazingly generous being concerned whether or
not this horse's arse is ever in a copyright infringement suit. That is
| > | extremely professional of you, and completely undeserved on HAMMY's
| > | behalf. (-;
| >
| > I've an option on the I TOLD YOU SO (TM) and just wanted to validate my
| > rights to the opportunity. <g>
| >
| > Interesting part just because one of *us* mentioned it I would expect
him to get himself nailed just for spite.
| >
| > Not that the unlettered have an monopoly on stupidity. I was just told
by a big fish (potential) client's in house attorney that they were going to
| use a previous GA (copy righted) work product in our project even though
their company did not have the rights. (they had stiffed the original GA
....
| his words not mine)
| >
| > We were well along in the preliminary stages but we're sending them a
| > certified letter resigning the project and outlining the reasons in
| detail.
| > We're also waving the earned fees to date and requesting they destroy
all copies of the comps we've submitted. There is a formal request for an
| > acknowledgement confirming the destruction over a corporate officers
| > signature.
| >
| > Unlikely we'll get that but we do have a record of the request.
| >
| <snip>
|
| hmph... why waive due payment, tho? did your contract cover this issue?
Contract did in fact cover the issue but as they had clearly shown their
ethical colors we wanted to avoid any complication that where might try to
claim that they owned the work product. Learned long ago the least painful
cut was the first and best if it's clean.
That end game is in part the result of fair/consistent/profitable pricing
aka part of a good business plan.
| |
|
| Hamsher said
SPEC is short for SPEC-ification. I don't need to
> tell someone my company is named wishing well something or other and get
> back a picture of a troll or Bambi's rear end because that's what it made
> you 'feel'. IF my company was wishing well then I want a drawing of a GOD
> DAMN WELL.
>
> What I asked for was suggestions on where I could post information about a
> CONTEST. Not a bunch of people telling me THEY don't do that. That's a
> good example of how your brain works. Your answers, just like your expensive
> art has no relation to the request. If I wanted a lofo for a gay dance club
> you would probably draw me a naked woman, becuase YOU don't like other men.
> For 20,000 dollars in advance, please.
>
> Thank you to the two people that actually sent meaningful responses.
when you go to the restaurant, do you pay your bill?
Or do you say "Now I'm going to another restaurant and I'll pay only the
one I'like best"?
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