Adobe Illustrator - CS2 question

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CS2 question

steggy

2005-10-14, 6:22 pm

OK I made an ad. Simple: logo and text, full color. So I
converted the only Pantone into CMYK.

The Illustrator logo is placed in Indesign. Black text in it
on a (Indesign) colored background. The black pops up in
every plate when printing separations......I tried
everything, I succeeded to get the black to overprint, but I
do not want a 10 points text to be on all CMYK-plates! Gives
the printing people the creeps...and me:)

It happens both in the C=0,M=0,Y=0, K=100 as in the
Greyscale 100% black mode. Never had this before. I feel the
way black is treated in CS2 is complicated anyway.

Through Bridge all the Adobe software has the same color
settings. I would prefer to always have black to overprint
and NOT in separate plates (as if it was rich black).

Anybody? I think it must be an Illustrator thing, but not
sure of course.
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steg

Waldo

2005-10-14, 6:22 pm

steggy wrote:
> OK I made an ad. Simple: logo and text, full color. So I
> converted the only Pantone into CMYK.
>
> The Illustrator logo is placed in Indesign. Black text in it
> on a (Indesign) colored background. The black pops up in
> every plate when printing separations......I tried
> everything, I succeeded to get the black to overprint, but I
> do not want a 10 points text to be on all CMYK-plates! Gives
> the printing people the creeps...and me:)
>
> It happens both in the C=0,M=0,Y=0, K=100 as in the
> Greyscale 100% black mode. Never had this before. I feel the
> way black is treated in CS2 is complicated anyway.
>
> Through Bridge all the Adobe software has the same color
> settings. I would prefer to always have black to overprint
> and NOT in separate plates (as if it was rich black).
>
> Anybody? I think it must be an Illustrator thing, but not
> sure of course.

Did I understand it right that the Illustrator file contains also black
text and a logo with a pantone color? In that case, it might be that
Illustrator already "converted" the black into a rich black color :-(

Waldo

iehsmith

2005-10-14, 6:22 pm

On 10/14/05 7:57 AM, Waldo uttered:
[color=darkred]
> steggy wrote:

Hiya Steg!

Well, you know I don't have ID and only have old AI 9.0.2, but I think I'm
missing something.

You have 0-0-0-100K text on a "color" background, black set to overprint. So
in that text area would not the K and the the CMY values of the background
show up in their respective plates?

Is it a single process color background, like 20%-C, where you would expect
it to only show up on C & K plates? Or, is the black showing on all for
plates when over 0/white background.

On a color background I would rarely want black to knockout.

inez

Alexgirl

2005-10-14, 6:22 pm

Are you printing from Indesign or from Illy? Do the plates separate
correctly in Illy without the Indesign background? I know nothing about ID,
but I would start with a process of elimination to determine which is
causing the problem or if it is only when the two graphics are put together.

"iehsmith" <inezhsmithspammenot@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:BF7533BA.3DCAB%inezhsmithspammenot@earthlink.net...
> On 10/14/05 7:57 AM, Waldo uttered:
>
>
> Hiya Steg!
>
> Well, you know I don't have ID and only have old AI 9.0.2, but I think I'm
> missing something.
>
> You have 0-0-0-100K text on a "color" background, black set to overprint.
> So
> in that text area would not the K and the the CMY values of the background
> show up in their respective plates?
>
> Is it a single process color background, like 20%-C, where you would
> expect
> it to only show up on C & K plates? Or, is the black showing on all for
> plates when over 0/white background.
>
> On a color background I would rarely want black to knockout.
>
> inez
>

Brian

2005-10-14, 6:22 pm

_+arrooke

2005-10-14, 6:22 pm

"steggy" <steggy2001@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:434FA17C.DE9A0756@hotmail.com...
> OK I made an ad. Simple: logo and text, full color. So I
> converted the only Pantone into CMYK.
>
The easiest fix is to reset your black logo text in InDesign.
To fix in Illustrator would involve me opening Illustrator to double check
and I'm on my way out the door. Obviously when you converted the pantone,
the whole thing converted. But you know that. Is the black text in Illy on
it's own layer?
Keith.

steggy

2005-10-15, 6:14 pm

Deducting is the way, I agree. I do not know how the black
acts in Illustrator.

I just know that in ID it turns out as 100%C, 100% M, 100%Y
and 100%K. Which is not fun at all fore the printing people:)

I also know you have the ability to choose for "rich black"
or "regular black" in ID and in Illy. But all settings pop
up with the same problem.

steg

Alexgirl wrote:[color=darkred]
>
> Are you printing from Indesign or from Illy? Do the plates separate
> correctly in Illy without the Indesign background? I know nothing about ID,
> but I would start with a process of elimination to determine which is
> causing the problem or if it is only when the two graphics are put together.
>
> "iehsmith" <inezhsmithspammenot@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:BF7533BA.3DCAB%inezhsmithspammenot@earthlink.net...

steggy

2005-10-15, 6:14 pm

iehsmith wrote:
>
> On 10/14/05 7:57 AM, Waldo uttered:
>
>
> Hiya Steg!

Hey there Inez!
>
> Well, you know I don't have ID and only have old AI 9.0.2, but I think I'm
> missing something.
>
> You have 0-0-0-100K text on a "color" background, black set to overprint. So
> in that text area would not the K and the the CMY values of the background
> show up in their respective plates?

0 = 0 I would say. I do not expect the yellow plate to be 100.
>
> Is it a single process color background, like 20%-C, where you would expect
> it to only show up on C & K plates? Or, is the black showing on all for
> plates when over 0/white background.
>
> On a color background I would rarely want black to knockout.
>
> inez

I do not want the knockout either and like I said: that was
no problem, it does not knockout. But it does give me 10
point text on 4 plates........

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steg