Adobe Illustrator - is someone here ACE certified?

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is someone here ACE certified?

vitopod

2004-09-02, 11:14 pm

what can you tell me about this Adobe certification?
Do people need to have this certification to get a good job?
thanks
Gianni P.

Yitz

2004-09-03, 4:14 am

If you have a great portfolio then it can't hurt but won't necessarily make
a difference. If you don't have a great portfolio yet, then it's a waste of
money.

Yitz

"vitopod" <vitopod@xxxx.com> wrote in message
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> what can you tell me about this Adobe certification?
> Do people need to have this certification to get a good job?
> thanks
> Gianni P.

Orchid

2004-09-03, 4:14 am

vitopod <vitopod@xxxx.com> wrote:

> what can you tell me about this Adobe certification?
> Do people need to have this certification to get a good job?

I am ACE certified (in Photoshop) but I can't say if it'll help you get
a good job since I didn't use it to find a job but rather to prove to my
current employer that I am skillful. I work in Japan and certificates
and dimplomas and such mean something more here than demonstration of
skill. Japanese employers do not have a system in place to evaluate
employees' capabilities since they have lifetime employement (for the
most part) and evaluate you based on seniority, not skill level.

I think it depends on the kind of job you're looking for. For instance,
if you want to get work doing training or handling "mechanical" aspects
of a job (preparing publications for printing, photo retouching, layout
jocky work) rather than serious creative or artistic work, it may be
helpful in showing you know what you're doing.

I have a friend who has worked as a copy editor among a variety of
publishers for about 2 decades (mainly Hearst but others as well) and
she told me it's not uncommon for people to profess proficiency in
applications that they certainly do not possess. If you come across an
employer who has been burned by someone like that, you may find it'll
set you ahead of the pack.

When I told her I was certfied, her reaction was that it wouldn't get
you a job but it may help you in a situation where all other things were
equal and the other applicant wasn't certified.

If nothing else, preparing for the test is an excellent way to truly
understand the programs in depth and a worthwhile endeavor. You find
that you develop a deeper understanding which will increase your
capacity to accomplish your goals better.

I've found most people in these newsgroups are quite negative about the
topic of certification but I think it really depends on the type of job
you're looking for. Not every job dealing with Adobe applications is
going to include the vigorous exercise of creativity or demonstration of
supreme artistic talent.

Orchid

Orchid

2004-09-08, 7:14 am

Donald Link

2005-01-06, 12:14 pm

Not worth a damm unless you have a resume to go with it. Still have
to start at the bottom and it may help you.

On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 20:53:26 GMT, vitopod <vitopod@xxxx.com> wrote:

>what can you tell me about this Adobe certification?
>Do people need to have this certification to get a good job?
>thanks
>Gianni P.

formerly known as 'cat arranger'

2005-01-08, 4:14 am

"Donald Link" <linkd@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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: Not worth a damm unless you have a resume to go with it. Still have
: to start at the bottom and it may help you.
:
: On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 20:53:26 GMT, vitopod <vitopod@xxxx.com> wrote:
:
: >what can you tell me about this Adobe certification?
: >Do people need to have this certification to get a good job?
: >thanks
: >Gianni P.

Wouldn't you say a portfolio is more than a resume?
Maybe both.

Hecate

2005-01-08, 11:14 pm

On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 20:42:49 -0800, "formerly known as 'cat arranger'"
<goodidea1950SPAM-SPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>"Donald Link" <linkd@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>news:h63qt0dlsi71tfdndv58h9c7me9at3o8hj@4ax.com...
>: Not worth a damm unless you have a resume to go with it. Still have
>: to start at the bottom and it may help you.
>:
>: On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 20:53:26 GMT, vitopod <vitopod@xxxx.com> wrote:
>:
>: >what can you tell me about this Adobe certification?
>: >Do people need to have this certification to get a good job?
>: >thanks
>: >Gianni P.
>
>Wouldn't you say a portfolio is more than a resume?
>Maybe both.
>
Agree. But for an artist of any kind, a portfolio *is* the resume ;-)

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Brooklyn NYC

2005-01-08, 11:14 pm

"Hecate" <hecate@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 20:42:49 -0800, "formerly known as 'cat arranger'"
> <goodidea1950SPAM-SPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Agree. But for an artist of any kind, a portfolio *is* the resume ;-)
>
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100% agreee!!!!

All the certification means is that you know how to use the product it is
NOT a testimonial to an artist's creativity. Anyone who passes the exam can
knows where to find the Gaussian blur, etc. That doesn't mean in any way
that the person knows how to apply it properly. Give me a strong portfolio
and an excellent knowledge of pre-press over someone with an ACE anyday.

Orchid

2005-01-11, 11:14 pm

Brooklyn NYC <brooklyn@newyork.com> wrote:

> "Hecate" <hecate@newsguy.com> wrote in message
> news:luq0u0de0h44e7h09th47fg2ot5p5pi5dj@4ax.com...
>
> 100% agreee!!!!
>
> All the certification means is that you know how to use the product it is
> NOT a testimonial to an artist's creativity. Anyone who passes the exam can
> knows where to find the Gaussian blur, etc. That doesn't mean in any way
> that the person knows how to apply it properly. Give me a strong portfolio
> and an excellent knowledge of pre-press over someone with an ACE anyday.

This post shows that you've never taken the ACE test. It's not that cut
and dry. Part of it may include things like looking at a picture and
being asked what was done to it or what channel a greyscale image
represents. Those who do well on the test will have a depth of knowledge
of the technology and mechanics that go far beyond rote memorization of
the controls.

That doesn't mean that it makes you a better artist. It does mean you
are likely very capable of getting what you want out of Photoshop or
Illustrator or whatever you're certified in. It means you know the tool
better than most.

Orchid

Hecate

2005-01-12, 7:14 pm

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:11:19 +0900, orchid@somewhere.net (Orchid)
wrote:

>That doesn't mean that it makes you a better artist. It does mean you
>are likely very capable of getting what you want out of Photoshop or
>Illustrator or whatever you're certified in. It means you know the tool
>better than most.
>
No, it means you have passed the ACE exam and satisfied that exam's
particular requirements. It doesn't require ACE certification to be
able to be very capable of getting what you want out of PS or
Illustrator or whatever. It doesn't even mean you know the tool
better than most. It means you know the toll insofar as the exam
covers it's operation. Nothing more. And I wonder how many people
who've passed the ACE exam would be able to pass it again to the same
level, or at all a year later...

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formerly known as 'cat arranger'

2005-01-12, 11:14 pm

"Hecate" <hecate@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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: On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:11:19 +0900, orchid@somewhere.net (Orchid)
: wrote:
:
:
: >That doesn't mean that it makes you a better artist. It does mean you
: >are likely very capable of getting what you want out of Photoshop or
: >Illustrator or whatever you're certified in. It means you know the tool
: >better than most.

: No, it means you have passed the ACE exam and satisfied that exam's
: particular requirements. It doesn't require ACE certification to be
: able to be very capable of getting what you want out of PS or
: Illustrator or whatever. It doesn't even mean you know the tool
: better than most. It means you know the toll insofar as the exam
: covers it's operation. Nothing more. And I wonder how many people
: who've passed the ACE exam would be able to pass it again to the same
: level, or at all a year later...

He didn't say that it requires an ACE approval to get what you want
out of a program. He said that if you pass you have demonstrated that
you are likely to be able to get what you want out of it.

If I say I have an electric lawn mower and that means I can cut my
grass isn't the same as saying that your gas mower won't do the job
or maybe even do it better. It does make sense though to hire a
guy with a contractor's license when you want something done that
is more complicated. However, Adobe sucks, and I wouldn't pay
those numb nuts $20 to approve of my work. Not until they let Acrobat
3.0 users have an upgrade path, cheap bastards. Oh yeah, and through
in the bs about PageMaker not being able to print bitmaps to a non-
postscript printer...

Hecate

2005-01-13, 7:14 pm

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:39:18 -0800, "formerly known as 'cat arranger'"
<goodidea1950SPAM-SPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>"Hecate" <hecate@newsguy.com> wrote in message
>news:4b8bu0hii70p0n89gimmdeemq9kubq4f6t@4ax.com...
>: On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:11:19 +0900, orchid@somewhere.net (Orchid)
>: wrote:
>:
>:
>: >That doesn't mean that it makes you a better artist. It does mean you
>: >are likely very capable of getting what you want out of Photoshop or
>: >Illustrator or whatever you're certified in. It means you know the tool
>: >better than most.
>
>: No, it means you have passed the ACE exam and satisfied that exam's
>: particular requirements. It doesn't require ACE certification to be
>: able to be very capable of getting what you want out of PS or
>: Illustrator or whatever. It doesn't even mean you know the tool
>: better than most. It means you know the toll insofar as the exam
>: covers it's operation. Nothing more. And I wonder how many people
>: who've passed the ACE exam would be able to pass it again to the same
>: level, or at all a year later...
>
>He didn't say that it requires an ACE approval to get what you want
>out of a program. He said that if you pass you have demonstrated that
>you are likely to be able to get what you want out of it.

And I'm disagreeing. Passing an exam just tells me you can pass an
exam which answers *the particular questions contained in it*. I have
a degree in biochemistry - doesn't mean I can find a cure for AIDS...

>If I say I have an electric lawn mower and that means I can cut my
>grass isn't the same as saying that your gas mower won't do the job
>or maybe even do it better. It does make sense though to hire a
>guy with a contractor's license when you want something done that
>is more complicated. However, Adobe sucks, and I wouldn't pay
>those numb nuts $20 to approve of my work. Not until they let Acrobat
>3.0 users have an upgrade path, cheap bastards. Oh yeah, and through
>in the bs about PageMaker not being able to print bitmaps to a non-
>postscript printer...
>
LOL!

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2005-01-15, 4:14 am

Orchid

2005-01-15, 12:14 pm