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| todwdw@googlemail.com 2007-06-12, 6:14 am |
| Hi I'm a relative newbie trying to reproduce and old , thirty year ,
photo which has little definitio of the face of the subject. I've
tried adding saturation, but not much better. Is there any other
technique i can use to try and beef up the face resolution?
thanks DW
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| ronviers@gmail.com 2007-06-12, 6:14 pm |
| On Jun 12, 5:09 am, "tod...@googlemail.com" <tod...@googlemail.com>
wrote:
Hi Dw,
With these kinds of questions it can be very helpful if you can post a
picture for people to take a look at.
Brgds,
Ron
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| On 12 Jun, 12:11, "ronvi...@XXXXXXXXXX" <ronvi...@XXXXXXXXXX> wrote:
> On Jun 12, 5:09 am, "tod...@googlemail.com" <tod...@googlemail.com>
> wrote:
> Hi Dw,
> With these kinds of questions it can be very helpful if you can post a
> picture for people to take a look at.
>
> Brgds,
> Ron
How do i add a photo Ron?
cheers
DW
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| Peter Wollenberg 2007-06-12, 6:14 pm |
| dw <fordavidw@googlemail.com> wrote:
>On 12 Jun, 12:11, "ronvi...@XXXXXXXXXX" <ronvi...@XXXXXXXXXX> wrote:
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>How do i add a photo Ron?
Please do not post binaries to this newsgroup. Use a provider of free
webspace like flickr and post a link
Peter
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| Esther & Fester Bestertester 2007-06-12, 6:14 pm |
| > Hi I'm a relative newbie trying to reproduce and old , thirty year ,
> photo which has little definitio of the face of the subject. I've
> tried adding saturation, but not much better. Is there any other
> technique i can use to try and beef up the face resolution?
> thanks DW
You cannot get more clarity in the photo than is in the original. That is
impossible. Doing so requires the use of magic.
FBt
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<todwdw@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi I'm a relative newbie trying to reproduce and old , thirty year ,
> photo which has little definitio of the face of the subject. I've
> tried adding saturation, but not much better. Is there any other
> technique i can use to try and beef up the face resolution?
> thanks DW
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Excuse me, but all things are relative.
My first exhibition Print was accepted into a Salon in 1963.
It is still in excellent condition, even if the mount Board is a little worn
at the edges.
That is more than 30 years old.
Your problem is that you are working with a poor quality print, it was
almost certainly poor quality when it was brand new, and if the processing
quality was also poor, it will have got worse.
You know the Computer truism "Rubbish In - Rubbish Out". A lot of skillful
drawing with brushes and the pencil tool might help a bit, BUT............
Roy G
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| Mike Russell 2007-06-12, 6:14 pm |
| <todwdw@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi I'm a relative newbie trying to reproduce and old , thirty year ,
> photo which has little definitio of the face of the subject. I've
> tried adding saturation, but not much better. Is there any other
> technique i can use to try and beef up the face resolution?
Hi DW,
As Ron suggests, post the image to a free image host service like
www.flickr.com or www.dgrin.com and post a link to it. Post a 100 percent
crop of the face if you prefer not to post the entire image.
It will probably be possible to improve the image, within limits.
Increasing saturation can improve the color, but it also tends to remove
detail. I'd suggest converting to Lab mode and sharpening and/or curving
the Lightness channel. If the image contains noise as well as detail, there
are ways to remove the noise while increasing detail to improve things.
--
Mike Russell - www.curvemeister.com
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| On 12 Jun, 16:54, "Mike Russell" <RE-MOVEm...@Curvemeister.comRE-MOVE>
wrote:
> <tod...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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> news:1181642960.615767.156400@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
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> Hi DW,
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> As Ron suggests, post the image to a free image host service likewww.flickr.comorwww.dgrin.comand post a link to it. Post a 100 percent
> crop of the face if you prefer not to post the entire image.
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> It will probably be possible to improve the image, within limits.
> Increasing saturation can improve the color, but it also tends to remove
> detail. I'd suggest converting to Lab mode and sharpening and/or curving
> the Lightness channel. If the image contains noise as well as detail, there
> are ways to remove the noise while increasing detail to improve things.
> --
> Mike Russell -www.curvemeister.com
Photo posted to: http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/...sueanddavid.jpg
Thanks for all the help thus far - even the 'magic' jibe - although
it's not quite true that you can't add detail that wasn't in an
original. One can extrapolate from what is there as to what probabaly
was there - but anyway, i just want to try and improve it.
cheers
DW
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| KatWoman 2007-06-12, 6:14 pm |
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"dw" <fordavidw@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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> On 12 Jun, 16:54, "Mike Russell" <RE-MOVEm...@Curvemeister.comRE-MOVE>
> wrote:
> Photo posted to:
> http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/...sueanddavid.jpg
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> Thanks for all the help thus far - even the 'magic' jibe - although
> it's not quite true that you can't add detail that wasn't in an
> original. One can extrapolate from what is there as to what probabaly
> was there - but anyway, i just want to try and improve it.
> cheers
> DW
OK the problem here is that you are a newbie and this is a job for an
advanced restoration artist
saturation will not sharpen or bring up the features, just muckup the colors
as advised it may even require an artist to DRAW in some details
we could give you advice but if you are not at least intermediate in PS
tools and techniques I would not try
a free easy picture host is
http://xs.to
you can post picture files and get the links to them
then post the link to your shot here like this
http://xs116.xs.to/xs116/07235/Kat-BELt.png
binary groups do not allow attached images
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| Mike Russell 2007-06-12, 6:14 pm |
| From: "dw" <fordavidw@googlemail.com>
[re restoration of image]
> Photo posted to:
> http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/...sueanddavid.jpg
Just a quick response after looking at the image. I'm guessing that this
was scanned on a relatively inexpensive scanner, resulting in horizontal
streaking that will be fairly challenging to remove. If the original is a
slide, these can be a headache to scan without getting noise in the dark
areas.
If you are in a position to do so, I think you'll see significant
improvement in the detail and overall smoothness of the image if you have
the slide scanned at a local photo store. In my area Longs Drugs charges 29
cents per slide.
If I have time, I'll try filtering out the lines and post the result.
---
Mike Russell - www.curvemeister.com
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| Malcolm Smith 2007-06-12, 10:15 pm |
| The image has been poorly scanned - this needs to be worked on first.
Open the image in photoshop and duplicate the background layer and change
the blend mode to multiply. Drop opacity a bit - this will add a bit of
density
merge the two layers (background and multiply) and filter high pass with
radius about 50 on the new merged layerand change blend mode to Overlay.
this will help the face detail. you could try to adjust the opacity down a
bit and having a mask to allow only the face pixels from this layer to be
seen would probably be best.
Contrast ienhancement s what you need and that is what the above does.
Malcolm
<todwdw@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:1181642960.615767.156400@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> Hi I'm a relative newbie trying to reproduce and old , thirty year ,
> photo which has little definitio of the face of the subject. I've
> tried adding saturation, but not much better. Is there any other
> technique i can use to try and beef up the face resolution?
> thanks DW
>
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| Mike Russell 2007-06-16, 6:14 am |
| "Mike Russell" <RE-MOVEmike@Curvemeister.comRE-MOVE> wrote in message
news:1cBbi.18520$C96.5182@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net...[color=darkred]
> From: "dw" <fordavidw@googlemail.com>
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> [re restoration of image]
I've taken a crack at improving this image. Here's the result.
http://mike.russell-home.net/tmp/SueAndDavid/index.htm
I thought I'd see if the horizontal lines could be removed using FFT
procedures - I think I did pretty well but I did lose some detail, so
there's room to do better. The rest of the work was color correction using
Curvemeister, noise removal with NeatImage, and standard Photoshop tools.
As several people have said, there is more detail in the original print or
slide than appears in the image. If possible, I think a great improvement
would be achieved by rescanning with a different scanner.
--
Mike Russell - www.curvemeister.com
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| ronviers@gmail.com 2007-06-16, 6:14 pm |
| Nice work Mike. Too bad there was so little info to work with - much
of which was bad. I find this type of project mostly unrewarding. The
sentimental value of an old print can be tremendous but rarely does
the sentiment lie in the fidelity. I hope the OP is suitably impressed.
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| todwdw@googlemail.com 2007-06-16, 6:14 pm |
| What a pretentious post! What in plain English does the 'rarely does
the sentiment lie in the fidelity' mean? I have a degree in English
literature and a masters in Education - still can't follow this line
of thought- this kind of 'babblespeak' infuriates me'. Say what you
mean or don't say it.
I have emailed Mike peronally to thank him for his endeavours. I am
appreciative and I don't need reminding of the importance of good
manners.
This was an old print, taken with a poor lens and reproduced badly!
What on earth is wrong with hoping that thirty years later I can
improve upon a bad starting point.
Anyway Mike, in public this time - thank you for all your efforts -I
really do appreciate your work and your congeniality.
best wishes,
David
On 16 Jun, 12:37, "ronvi...@XXXXXXXXXX" <ronvi...@XXXXXXXXXX> wrote:
> Nice work Mike. Too bad there was so little info to work with - much
> of which was bad. I find this type of project mostly unrewarding. The
> sentimental value of an old print can be tremendous but rarely does
> the sentiment lie in the fidelity. I hope the OP is suitably impressed.
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| Mike Russell 2007-06-16, 6:14 pm |
| <todwdw@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:1182011072.855012.21280@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
[re ron's post]
> of thought- this kind of 'babblespeak' infuriates me'. Say what you
> mean or don't say it.
I'm confident he meant no offense by it, and would chalk this up to Intenert
miscommunication.
....
> Anyway Mike, in public this time - thank you for all your efforts -I
> really do appreciate your work and your congeniality.
> best wishes,
You are most welcome.
--
Mike Russell - www.curvemeister.com
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| John Boy 2007-06-16, 6:14 pm |
| todwdw@googlemail.com wrote:
> What a pretentious post! What in plain English does the 'rarely does
> the sentiment lie in the fidelity' mean? [...]
Permit a translation from this 7th grade drop-out.
"Appreciation of the original subject (sentimental value) survives
regardless of the shortcomings of the photographic technique or
technology when the photograph was made."
It was a benign statement. You might have degrees, but you may be
crippled due to the weight of the chips on your shoulder.
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| ronviers@gmail.com 2007-06-17, 6:14 am |
| Sorry
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| ronviers@gmail.com 2007-06-17, 6:14 am |
| Thanks
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| On 17 Jun, 08:52, "ronvi...@XXXXXXXXXX" <ronvi...@XXXXXXXXXX> wrote:
> Thanks
That's better I understood that!
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| tony cooper 2007-06-18, 3:14 am |
| On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 16:24:32 -0000, "todwdw@googlemail.com"
<todwdw@googlemail.com> wrote:
>What a pretentious post! What in plain English does the 'rarely does
>the sentiment lie in the fidelity' mean? I have a degree in English
>literature and a masters in Education - still can't follow this line
>of thought- this kind of 'babblespeak' infuriates me'. Say what you
>mean or don't say it.
The problem with an education in Education is that few come out of it
educated.
You should ask for a postage refund for your diplomas. I understand
exactly what he said: the photograph doesn't have to be accurate in
detail to have value to you.
>I have emailed Mike peronally to thank him for his endeavours.
There's the value of a BA in English Lit; can't spell and uses a
pretentious synonym for "efforts".
> I am
>appreciative and I don't need reminding of the importance of good
>manners.
Could have fooled me.
Just a simple B-major with an MBA...
--
Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL
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><todwdw@googlemail.com> wrote:
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I think by now, everybody has decided you are an ' indistinct face'.
Dave
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| On 18 Jun, 13:17, Dave <d...@d.durbs> wrote:
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> I think by now, everybody has decided you are an ' indistinct face'.
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> Dave
Oh Dear I seem to have rattled a few cages! Ron joins in with an ill
infornmed swipe at me, and suddenly other 'bretheren' within the
community spring to the attack.
However your 'attack' is a little like being svaged by a dead sheep!
Tony of Forida thinks that the word 'effort' is synonymous with
'endeavour'.
Tony, an effort can be either positive or negative, one can make an
effort to committ the perfect murder. Endeavour however implies a
positive connotation. This my choice of endeavour.
and Dave, I'm afraid your wit is too sharp for me - I'm an indistict
face - how did you dream that up. Where did you get it?
The bottom line is that if Ron hadn't thought he could take his cheap
shot at me and get away with it, then none of this would have
happened. So why not criticise old Ron?
However one good thing has come from it: Mike has emerged an absolute
gentleman - he helped when asked. He didn't try and score cheap
points.
None of you others could move your mouse to offer help, but you
certainly could when there was an opportunity to criticise. Shame on
you!
On y soit qui mal y pense!
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| On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:13:51 -0000, dw <fordavidw@googlemail.com>
wrote:
>On 18 Jun, 13:17, Dave <d...@d.durbs> wrote:
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>However your 'attack' is a little like being svaged by a dead sheep!
cut
>and Dave, I'm afraid your wit is too sharp for me - I'm an indistict
>face - how did you dream that up. Where did you get it?
'indistinct' was what I said, and not 'indistict'.
'indistinct' can be translated as confused or disorientated.
I'm glad you wrote 'attack' in inverted commas, because this was not
an attack.
More than once, I found it dangerous to make a joke in another
language than my home language, not only because of possible
misinterpretation, but also because of different senses of humor due
to different cultures. I am still not sour, and can laugh.
Read again what I said, check on the spelling, *check on the topic of
your original letter*, read slòòòwly, and decide again whether it was
an attack.
Dave
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| ronviers@gmail.com 2007-06-18, 6:15 pm |
| On Jun 18, 3:13 pm, dw <fordav...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Oh Dear I seem to have rattled a few cages! Ron joins in with an ill
> infornmed swipe at me, and suddenly other 'bretheren' within the
> community spring to the attack.
> However your 'attack' is a little like being svaged by a dead sheep!
> Tony of Forida thinks that the word 'effort' is synonymous with
> 'endeavour'.
> Tony, an effort can be either positive or negative, one can make an
> effort to committ the perfect murder. Endeavour however implies a
> positive connotation. This my choice of endeavour.
> and Dave, I'm afraid your wit is too sharp for me - I'm an indistict
> face - how did you dream that up. Where did you get it?
> The bottom line is that if Ron hadn't thought he could take his cheap
> shot at me and get away with it, then none of this would have
> happened. So why not criticise old Ron?
> However one good thing has come from it: Mike has emerged an absolute
> gentleman - he helped when asked. He didn't try and score cheap
> points.
> None of you others could move your mouse to offer help, but you
> certainly could when there was an opportunity to criticise. Shame on
> you!
> On y soit qui mal y pense!
So I am an infuriating, ill informed, cheap shooting, pretentious,
babblespeaker. Do you honestly think I deserve that? I have boxes of
old photos too - we all do. I recently took on a tremendously
sentimental restore project into which I sank an incredible amount of
time - and guess what - it was mostly unrewarding. The resulting photo
was much improved but after all that time it had no more value than
when I started. As for not being willing to "lift a mouse to help" as
soon as Mike joined in, which I was hoping he would, then I knew you
were in the hands of a professional with vastly more expertise.
That said, I hope I have not discouraged you from posting in the
future.
Brgds,
Ron
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| On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:37:00 -0000, "ronviers@XXXXXXXXXX"
<ronviers@XXXXXXXXXX> wrote:
>On Jun 18, 3:13 pm, dw <fordav...@googlemail.com> wrote:
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>So I am an infuriating, ill informed, cheap shooting, pretentious,
>babblespeaker. Do you honestly think I deserve that? I have boxes of
>old photos too - we all do. I recently took on a tremendously
>sentimental restore project into which I sank an incredible amount of
>time - and guess what - it was mostly unrewarding. The resulting photo
>was much improved but after all that time it had no more value than
>when I started. As for not being willing to "lift a mouse to help" as
>soon as Mike joined in, which I was hoping he would, then I knew you
>were in the hands of a professional with vastly more expertise.
>
>That said, I hope I have not discouraged you from posting in the
>future.
>
>Brgds,
>Ron
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and my wit is definitely too sharp for him.
He spells like a dead sheep
and does not even realized that I simply copied his subject line.
Dave
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| tony cooper 2007-06-18, 10:15 pm |
| On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:13:51 -0000, dw <fordavidw@googlemail.com>
wrote:
>On 18 Jun, 13:17, Dave <d...@d.durbs> wrote:
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>Oh Dear I seem to have rattled a few cages! Ron joins in with an ill
>infornmed swipe at me, and suddenly other 'bretheren' within the
>community spring to the attack.
>However your 'attack' is a little like being svaged by a dead sheep!
>Tony of Forida thinks that the word 'effort' is synonymous with
>'endeavour'.
>Tony, an effort can be either positive or negative, one can make an
>effort to committ the perfect murder. Endeavour however implies a
>positive connotation. This my choice of endeavour.
Ahh, a porch dog comes down to debate word usage. "Endeavor" (AmE) is
an effort; an attempt. But, an attempt with no assurance of success.
You have endeavoured (BrE) to be clever, but nothing positive has come
from it. Mike expended some effort in an endeavor to produce a more
detailed image.
Let's see...you were a Lit major, right? When Brontë wrote:
"I was growing very lenient to my master: I was forgetting all his
faults, for which I had once kept a sharp look-out. It had formerly
been my endeavour to study all sides of his character: to take the bad
with the good; and from the just weighing of both, to form an
equitable judgment. Now I saw no bad. The sarcasm that had repelled,
the harshness that had startled me once, were only like keen
condiments in a choice dish; their presence was pungent, but their
absence would be felt as comparatively insipid."
was she implying a positive result from this assessment of Rochester?
>and Dave, I'm afraid your wit is too sharp for me - I'm an indistict
>face - how did you dream that up. Where did you get it?
The "indistinct face" is a placeholder. A figure, usually in art,
that is not important enough to the scene to be a center of attention.
Don't they teach anything at university any more?
>The bottom line is that if Ron hadn't thought he could take his cheap
>shot at me and get away with it, then none of this would have
>happened. So why not criticise old Ron?
Because old Ron made a comment that was not directed at you, but an
observation about the intrinsic value of an photograph whether that
image be accurate or not.
>However one good thing has come from it: Mike has emerged an absolute
>gentleman - he helped when asked. He didn't try and score cheap
>points.
Mike went in as a gentleman and emerged unchanged.
>None of you others could move your mouse to offer help, but you
>certainly could when there was an opportunity to criticise. Shame on
>you!
>On y soit qui mal y pense!
You mean "Honi soit qui mal y pense"? If you actually understand the
origin and meaning of that, you'd know that it applies to your
judgement of Ron's comment.
--
Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL
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| tony cooper 2007-06-18, 10:15 pm |
| On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:07:43 -0400, tony cooper
<tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Because old Ron made a comment that was not directed at you, but an
>observation about the intrinsic value of an photograph whether that
>image be accurate or not.
Should be "of an old photograph". Sloppiness is catching.
--
Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL
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| John Boy 2007-06-18, 10:15 pm |
| dw wrote:
> Oh Dear I seem to have rattled a few cages!
Sir, you should consider withdrawing while your losses are tolerable.
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| On 18 Jun, 22:50, Dave <d...@d.durbs> wrote:
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Your'e all a sensitive bunch of souls! Lighten up! So you've made
fools of yourselves - but hey that happens. I'm a forgving guy - i
thought at first that your posts were motivated by malice - but I'm
beginning to see it's more a case of social inappropriateness - a kind
of group Aspergers. (Asperger's syndrome that is).
The answer is to mix more, to get out, to try and make eye contact
with people, find a social skills group nearby, that kind of thing.
You can't get rid of Aspergers but you can learn to adapt more with
it. So best wishes to you all as I ride off into the sunset. Another
diagnosis made, and another partial cure affected.
Vias con dios mi amigos!
ZZZZZZ
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| LazloF@googlemail.com 2007-06-19, 6:22 pm |
| On 19 Jun, 09:07, dw <fordav...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On 18 Jun, 22:50, Dave <d...@d.durbs> wrote:
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> thought at first that your posts were motivated by malice - but I'm
> beginning to see it's more a case of social inappropriateness - a kind
> of group Aspergers. (Asperger's syndrome that is).
> The answer is to mix more, to get out, to try and make eye contact
> with people, find a social skills group nearby, that kind of thing.
> You can't get rid of Aspergers but you can learn to adapt more with
> it. So best wishes to you all as I ride off into the sunset. Another
> diagnosis made, and another partial cure affected.
> Vias con dios mi amigos!
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Im a Professor of Psychology living in Austria, so I suppose that
overtakes DW and his lowly degree. However I can see soemthing of his
argument regarding the Aspergers Syndrome. This syndrome is usually
associated with the less severe Autistic Spectrum Disorders. Research
has shown that sufferers, if that is correct term, often form links
with others of similar thinkers. In 2004 results were released which
showed a very high proportion of men who join railway enthusiasts
clubs presented with clear symptoms of Asperger syndrome. Other
groupings were men, it is ususally the man who suffers ,(ratio is
approx 3 male to 1 female) who belonged to minority interest group
such as car number plate , tag i think you call them in US,
collectors, and men who collected military insignia.
I hope this post will show some light on the subject of social
disorder illnesses.
Lazlo F
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| seamus 2007-06-19, 6:22 pm |
| On 19 Jun, 11:32, "Laz...@googlemail.com" <Laz...@googlemail.com>
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> argument regarding the Aspergers Syndrome. This syndrome is usually
> associated with the less severe Autistic Spectrum Disorders. Research
> has shown that sufferers, if that is correct term, often form links
> with others of similar thinkers. In 2004 results were released which
> showed a very high proportion of men who join railway enthusiasts
> clubs presented with clear symptoms of Asperger syndrome. Other
> groupings were men, it is ususally the man who suffers ,(ratio is
> approx 3 male to 1 female) who belonged to minority interest group
> such as car number plate , tag i think you call them in US,
> collectors, and men who collected military insignia.
> I hope this post will show some light on the subject of social
> disorder illnesses.
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Lazlo, Tony, and Dave, et al, are so sharp they may well cut
themselves. it only seems to proove some wag's quip of two nations
separated by a common language. Though I'm not sure its healthy to
display one's qualifications or does it mean you are more important.
Perhaps you should forget the Asbergers and concentrate on self esteem
support groups. I hope my lack of education and poor spelling, will
not preclude you from reading this blog, then again does it really
matter...
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