Computer Graphics with Photoshop - Re: CS2 tool understanding or should I say mis-understanding? More.

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Re: CS2 tool understanding or should I say mis-understanding? More.

Jethro

2007-01-10, 6:20 pm

On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 15:47:56 GMT, Jethro <Wilson@somewhere.org> wrote:

>Still working with my friend's CS2 on my PC - WXP PRO SP2.
>Before I return it to him, I wanted to use CS2 a little to see if it
>is something I want to use myself. Okay - so I am impressed, but
>sometimes I run into something that shows my non-understanding of a
>CS2 function. Hence another dumb question:
>
>It has to do with tools and their use. Take for example the sharpen
>tool. I select that (left mouse key) and want to choose a so-called
>'preset' for that tool. I know enough to use the preset picker in
>leftmost part of the options bar, but I don't see what I want - namely
>a circle - so that when I move the cursor over into the graphic I get
>a circle that I can enlarge or shrink, and use to apply the
>'sharpening'.
>
>What is the name of that preset (if it exists)? How do I get the
>sharpen tool to use that preset and give me a circle in the graphic to
>deal with?
>
>There is something basic here that I don't grasp, and probably would
>apply to several CS2 tools. Therefore I feel I need to understand
>this before I can continue my learning process. Of course I could
>give up and simply return CS2 to my friend, but he says I can play
>with it for another month or so, if only to help him when he starts
>using it. He figures that I am smarter than he. I wonder.
>
>Thanks
>
>Jethro

To further clarify what I want to know, see

http://www.photoshopsupport.com/tut...sharpening.html

on which page there is an explanation of the sharpen tool. Notice one
pic shows the cursor on the girl's face with a circle to encompass the
sharpening. Where does the circle come from? How do I set my cursor
to do that? Maybe this explains better what I really want to know.

Jethro

ronviers@gmail.com

2007-01-10, 6:20 pm

Jethro wrote:

All of your questions have been good ones.

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First click on 'Current Tool Only' (just for clarity) at the bottom
of the Preset Picker.
Then click on the 'Create New' Icon (the square icon). This will
allow you to name and store your preset.
I have not found the 'Sharpen Tool' to be particularly useful and
never use it; additionally the tutorial you refer to at no time makes
use of the 'Sharpen Tool'.
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> Where does the circle come from? How do I set my cursor
> to do that?

The author is using the 'Paintbrush Tool' to paint with neutral gray -
Not the 'Sharpen Tool'

> Jethro

HTH,
Ron

Jethro

2007-01-10, 6:20 pm

On 3 Jan 2007 08:49:25 -0800, "ronviers@XXXXXXXXXX"
<ronviers@XXXXXXXXXX> wrote:

>
>Jethro wrote:
>
>All of your questions have been good ones.
>
>
>
>First click on 'Current Tool Only' (just for clarity) at the bottom
>of the Preset Picker.

When I do this right here for the sharpen tool, it says I have NO
preset. So I feel that there is no use going on with the next step
(create new icon)

>Then click on the 'Create New' Icon (the square icon). This will
>allow you to name and store your preset.
>I have not found the 'Sharpen Tool' to be particularly useful and
>never use it; additionally the tutorial you refer to at no time makes
>use of the 'Sharpen Tool'.
>
>
>The author is using the 'Paintbrush Tool' to paint with neutral gray -
>Not the 'Sharpen Tool'
>

Yeh but my very basic question is how do I get the circle for the
mouse pointer for not just the sharpen tool, but many others as well
(eg blur)

Thanks

Jethro[color=darkred]
>
>HTH,
>Ron

Don Leman

2007-01-10, 6:20 pm

The circle that you want to see relates to the size/style of the tool tip.
To set that do one of the following:

1. choose the size from the button on the tool bar
2. with the tool selected right click anywhere in the picture
3. Use the "[ " or "]" to grow or shrink the size of the brush

--
Don Leman
West Coast Audio

Authorized retailer for Blue Circle Audio, Harbeth, Skylan and DeVore
Fidelity
"Jethro" <Wilson@somewhere.org> wrote in message
news:ornnp213h402h4avqj7cdaqshl1nl1djjp@4ax.com...[color=darkred]
> On 3 Jan 2007 08:49:25 -0800, "ronviers@XXXXXXXXXX"
> <ronviers@XXXXXXXXXX> wrote:
>
>
> When I do this right here for the sharpen tool, it says I have NO
> preset. So I feel that there is no use going on with the next step
> (create new icon)
>
>
> Yeh but my very basic question is how do I get the circle for the
> mouse pointer for not just the sharpen tool, but many others as well
> (eg blur)
>
> Thanks
>
> Jethro

Jethro

2007-01-10, 6:20 pm

On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 17:48:02 GMT, "Don Leman"
<dlemanis@shawRemoveThis.ca> wrote:

>The circle that you want to see relates to the size/style of the tool tip.
>To set that do one of the following:
>
>1. choose the size from the button on the tool bar
>2. with the tool selected right click anywhere in the picture
>3. Use the "[ " or "]" to grow or shrink the size of the brush

1 I selected the sharpen tool
2 I selected the preset picker and it says there are no presets
3 I selected the brush picker and it gives me several size selects but
they mostly seem to relate to brush stroke widths,
4 I right clicked on the cursor crosshaiirs within the picture. It
gives me what looks the same as I got from the brush picker.

What am I doing wrong? You say 'choose the size from the button on
the tool bar'. Maybe I am choosing the wrong button? What button and
where? Interestingly, 'Tool Bar' is NOT in my PShop Help Index.
Google shows me that it indeed is the vertical bar of tools on the
left. So I guess the size button you want me to use is therein, but I
just have not found it?

Sorry for my dumbness, Thanks for your patience.

Thanks

Jethro

Don Leman

2007-01-10, 6:20 pm

Sorry to have confused you Jethro, rather than saying tool bar I should have
said "options bar".

When you have a tool open, the first button on the option bar is the tool
preset picker and the second button is the picker for the tool you have
open. You will not see any presets for a tool unless you have created them.

Open the second button to the right of were it says Brush: and choose a size
of 100 px, then move your tool over your picture. You should see the round
circle that indicates where the sharpening will take place when you click.
--
Don Leman
West Coast Audio

Authorized retailer for Blue Circle Audio, Harbeth, Skylan and DeVore
Fidelity
"Jethro" <Wilson@somewhere.org> wrote in message
news:nounp29ajdr9ed12r2m44nkeh55lke5gc0@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 17:48:02 GMT, "Don Leman"
> <dlemanis@shawRemoveThis.ca> wrote:
>
>
>
> 1 I selected the sharpen tool
> 2 I selected the preset picker and it says there are no presets
> 3 I selected the brush picker and it gives me several size selects but
> they mostly seem to relate to brush stroke widths,
> 4 I right clicked on the cursor crosshaiirs within the picture. It
> gives me what looks the same as I got from the brush picker.
>
> What am I doing wrong? You say 'choose the size from the button on
> the tool bar'. Maybe I am choosing the wrong button? What button and
> where? Interestingly, 'Tool Bar' is NOT in my PShop Help Index.
> Google shows me that it indeed is the vertical bar of tools on the
> left. So I guess the size button you want me to use is therein, but I
> just have not found it?
>
> Sorry for my dumbness, Thanks for your patience.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jethro

Jethro

2007-01-10, 6:20 pm

On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 20:15:11 GMT, "Don Leman"
<dlemanis@shawRemoveThis.ca> wrote:

>Sorry to have confused you Jethro, rather than saying tool bar I should have
>said "options bar".

No sweat. I thought that was what you meant.

>
>When you have a tool open, the first button on the option bar is the tool
>preset picker and the second button is the picker for the tool you have
>open. You will not see any presets for a tool unless you have created them.

That is exactly where I have been going after selecting sharpen or
blur tool. I have tried 'picking' different sizes with same result.
>
>Open the second button to the right of were it says Brush: and choose a size
>of 100 px, then move your tool over your picture. You should see the round
>circle that indicates where the sharpening will take place when you click.

This is exactly where things are bad. When I move my tool (which is
the mouse cursor), I do not get a circle, just a pointer.

As an experiment, I tried something. I have two machines, so I
installed CS2 on machine 2. My pic data files are common, so I can
access the same pics from either machine. Interestingly, on one
machine, I get the circle just as you describe, and which I expect. On
the other machine, however, I still get the cursor described above. No
circle. SAME PICTURE - SAME FILE (JPG). I looked at the various
controls (brush size, sharpen tool select, etc) and they are
identical.

Obviously the two CS2's are set differently. I just wish I knew
where. Oh and by the way - I tried the troublesome CS2 on a few other
pics and voila! A few had the circle! What is going on here?

Talk about frustration,

Thanks

Jethro

Johan W. Elzenga

2007-01-10, 6:20 pm

Jethro <Wilson@somewhere.org> wrote:

>
> This is exactly where things are bad. When I move my tool (which is
> the mouse cursor), I do not get a circle, just a pointer.

The way the tools look is set in the Photoshop preferences. A circle is
the 'Normal Brush Tip' setting. If you have it set to 'Standard', the
cursor will have the shape of the tool, which is a kind of a pointer in
case of the sharpen tool. Also check that the CAPSLOCK key is not
pressed. If it's pressed, the tool cursor becomes a crosshair.

--
Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl
Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.com

Jethro

2007-01-10, 6:20 pm

On Wed, 3 Jan 2007 22:45:53 +0100, nomail@please.invalid (Johan W.
Elzenga) wrote:

>Jethro <Wilson@somewhere.org> wrote:
>
>
>The way the tools look is set in the Photoshop preferences. A circle is
>the 'Normal Brush Tip' setting. If you have it set to 'Standard', the
>cursor will have the shape of the tool, which is a kind of a pointer in
>case of the sharpen tool. Also check that the CAPSLOCK key is not
>pressed. If it's pressed, the tool cursor becomes a crosshair.

WELL I'LL BE DANGED! WHO WOULD HAVE GUESSED THAT CASE WOULD HAVE
AFFECTED THE CURSOR. Also, you are right about the effect of the
preferences. It must be normal to work 'right'. I have things under
control now I think.

Thanks to all of you - I appreciate your time.

Jethro

ronviers@gmail.com

2007-01-10, 6:20 pm

Jethro wrote:

>
> WELL I'LL BE DANGED! WHO WOULD HAVE GUESSED THAT CASE WOULD HAVE
> AFFECTED THE CURSOR.

> Jethro

Hi Jethro,
If you read this thread you will find some of the solutions other
members suggest.

http://groups.google.com/group/comp...974e932cb02d569

Brgds,
Ron