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2006-05-06, 6:17 pm

I saw a neat little book which I foolishly did not buy at the time and am
now regretting it. It was a book of thousands of color swatches with colors
that complement each other and it gave the corresponding RGB, CMYK numbers
or Hex values. Does anyone know of or have anything similar or something
you can recommend?

TIA

Angela

hoffmann@fho-emden.de

2006-05-06, 6:17 pm

Angela,

such a neat little book doesn't exist, because we have many
different RGB spaces and many different CMYK spaces.
If it should 'exist' then it's a fake.

On the the other hand, it's possible to show common spot colors
by Lab numbers, by sRGB numbers and by AdobeRGB(98) numbers:
http://www.fho-emden.de/~hoffmann/swatch16032005.pdf

Many spots (altogether more than 1100) are out of gamut for the
monitor.
CMYK values are found by loading a page of this doc by Photoshop
in Lab mode (!), choosing one of the CMYK spaces, and showing
the CMYK numbers by the info palette.

Best regards --Gernot Hoffmann

2006-05-06, 6:17 pm

"AK" <anyoldmail@getridofthis.XXXXXXXXXX> wrote in message
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>I saw a neat little book which I foolishly did not buy at the time and am
> now regretting it. It was a book of thousands of color swatches with
> colors
> that complement each other and it gave the corresponding RGB, CMYK numbers
> or Hex values. Does anyone know of or have anything similar or something
> you can recommend?

Regret not. :) There are more color charts out there than one can name.
Pantone is the historical source of authority for color and tint samples (in
our business). Their chart/tool is included with several software packages.
Photoshop has Pantone color palettes built-in, and of course you can get the
CMYK, RGB and HEX codes right off the color palettes in Photoshop.

2006-05-06, 6:17 pm

<hoffmann@fho-emden.de> wrote in message
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> Angela,
>
> such a neat little book doesn't exist, because we have many
> different RGB spaces and many different CMYK spaces.
> If it should 'exist' then it's a fake.

I don't think Angela was asking for a lesson in what is unlikely, or your
opinion regarding what is impossible on a CRT. If one were to believe you,
then we wouldn't be doing spot colors, would we?

iehsmith

2006-05-06, 10:16 pm

On 5/6/06 11:48 AM, AK commented:

> I saw a neat little book which I foolishly did not buy at the time and am
> now regretting it. It was a book of thousands of color swatches with colors
> that complement each other and it gave the corresponding RGB, CMYK numbers
> or Hex values. Does anyone know of or have anything similar or something
> you can recommend?
>
> TIA
>
> Angela

Angela,

I haven't gotten it, but my only guess would be Pantone's Color Bridge Guide
which has replaced the long gone solid-to-process guide. I believe it
"tries" to include RGB/Hex color values, CMYK values and spot color. They
have several other books too, so you might just browse their site.
http://www.pantone.com

inez

PS_if you're a member of creativepro.com you might go through their site to
shop pantone for a discount.

2006-05-06, 10:16 pm

> Regret not. :) There are more color charts out there than one can name.
> Pantone is the historical source of authority for color and tint samples
> (in our business). Their chart/tool is included with several software
> packages. Photoshop has Pantone color palettes built-in, and of course you
> can get the CMYK, RGB and HEX codes right off the color palettes in
> Photoshop.

The great thing about this book was the way it showed colors that went
together well......something I am not so good at, but it sounds a little
work with my friend google, I might just find something. Thanks!

A

iehsmith

2006-05-07, 3:16 am

On 5/6/06 6:58 PM, AK commented:

>
>
> The great thing about this book was the way it showed colors that went
> together well......something I am not so good at, but it sounds a little
> work with my friend google, I might just find something. Thanks!
>
> A

Well, this isn't what you're talking about since it's strictly Pantone and
doesn't include RGB, but I highly recommend this for beginning to learn why,
when and where to use what color(s); what colors symbolize and "feel like"
to the viewer; and, it includes a huge amount of color combinations
separated into categories like Romantic, Sensual, Robust, Classic, Fanciful,
Cool, etc. I continue to find this book and invaluable source of
inspiration: Pantone Guide to Communicating with Color by Leatrice Eiseman.
I believe it's quite inexpensive now through Amazon.com.

Happy coloring;)
inez

2006-05-07, 6:16 am

> Well, this isn't what you're talking about since it's strictly Pantone and
> doesn't include RGB, but I highly recommend this for beginning to learn
> why,
> when and where to use what color(s); what colors symbolize and "feel like"
> to the viewer; and, it includes a huge amount of color combinations
> separated into categories like Romantic, Sensual, Robust, Classic,
> Fanciful,
> Cool, etc. I continue to find this book and invaluable source of
> inspiration: Pantone Guide to Communicating with Color by Leatrice
> Eiseman.
> I believe it's quite inexpensive now through Amazon.com.
>
> Happy coloring;)
> inez

That sounds perfect, thank you

hoffmann@fho-emden.de

2006-05-07, 6:16 pm

iehsmith wrote (to be deleted after some days):

'I continue to find this book and invaluable source of
inspiration: Pantone Guide to Communicating with Color
by Leatrice Eiseman.'

Eiseman says:
'Red, yellow and blue are primary colors.
Green, orange and violet are secondary colors.'
http://tinyurl.com/f87rh
Complements are, according to the graphic, blue-orange,
red-green, purple-yellow.

All this is terribly wrong for all technical color systems
(RGB, HLS, HSV=HSB, CIELab, CMYK).
The book is definitely not recommended.

The roots of this misinformation might be found in ancient
color systems:
http://www.colorsystem.com/grundlagen/aad.htm

Best regards --Gernot Hoffmann

hoffmann@fho-emden.de

2006-05-07, 6:16 pm

After further Google searches:

Mrs. Eiseman can get easily a degree
'Master of Propaganda'.

Serious publications, kind of alphabetic order,
authors or editors, are mostly found at amazon:

Billmeyer, Saltzman, Roy S.Berns
Bruce Fraser et al.
Phil Green, Lindsay MacDonald
Giorgianni, Madden
Mark Fairchild
R=2EW.G.Hunt
Johannes Itten
Henry R.Kang
K=FCppers
Dan Margulis
Abhay Sharma
Narciso Silvestrini, Ernst Peter Fischer

G=2EH.

iehsmith

2006-05-07, 6:16 pm

On 5/7/06 10:20 AM, hoffmann@fho-emden.de commented:

> iehsmith wrote (to be deleted after some days):
>
> 'I continue to find this book and invaluable source of
> inspiration: Pantone Guide to Communicating with Color
> by Leatrice Eiseman.'
>
> Eiseman says:
> 'Red, yellow and blue are primary colors.
> Green, orange and violet are secondary colors.'
> http://tinyurl.com/f87rh
> Complements are, according to the graphic, blue-orange,
> red-green, purple-yellow.
>
> All this is terribly wrong for all technical color systems
> (RGB, HLS, HSV=HSB, CIELab, CMYK).
> The book is definitely not recommended.
>
> The roots of this misinformation might be found in ancient
> color systems:
> http://www.colorsystem.com/grundlagen/aad.htm
>
> Best regards --Gernot Hoffmann

I don't remember the subject having anything to do with technical systems or
color science. I stand by my recommendation for the visual, psychological,
physiological effects and uses of color for art/design.

inez

iehsmith

2006-05-07, 6:16 pm

On 5/7/06 12:59 PM, iehsmith commented:

> On 5/7/06 10:20 AM, hoffmann@fho-emden.de commented:
>
>
>
> I don't remember the subject having anything to do with technical systems or
> color science. I stand by my recommendation for the visual, psychological,
> physiological effects and uses of color for art/design.
>
> inez
>

Sorry; I should have said æsthetic instead of (or along with) visual...

Gernot, what do you have against the simplicity of the age-old, standard
color wheel for visual reference? Must everything always be technical?

KatWoman

2006-05-08, 3:16 am

KatWoman

2006-05-08, 3:16 am