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How to buy Genuine Adobe Software for much less?

sales@estockware.com

2006-03-24, 10:16 pm

Adobe offers select pricing to disributors, retailers, and educational
users. Along these seperate distribution channels one thing remains the
same, the product: they are identical in every aspect, functionality,
updates, registration, legal ownership. Regardless of intention,
whether it may be for personal, educational, or commercial purposes any
product from the various channels can be bought and used legally.

This is part of our fundamental rights know as the "first sales
doctrine" which: allows the purchaser to transfer a particular, legally
acquired copy of protected work without permission once it has been
obtained. That means the distribution rights of a copyright holder end
on that particular copy once the copy is sold.

Simplified this means that once you have made a purchase of almost
anything, you have the right to do what you want with it. A prime
example would be take a car, once you puchase a vehicule, and if you
decide to sell your tires, your radio, or change a genuine part for an
after market part then this is your legal right. This works the same
for any good obviously with certain limitations.

This applies to Adobe Software as well. As mentionned earlier you can
purchase from any distribution channel and use the product legally for
your intended purposes. Several courts have found that once you
purchase software, you have the legal ownership and the software
companies cannot restrict how the software is used and therefore have
upheld the first sale doctrine.

For example, you can purchase someone's eductional retail copy of abobe
indesign, illustrator, acrobat, etc.., and use this "legally" for
commercial purposes. Adobe will support this product the same way for
it would for any other product and it is entirely legal. If you have
doubts, please feel free to contact Adobe and you can also read further
into this. (see below) Bottomline is that you are saving alot of $$$
and doing it legally. It is worth the time to inform yourselves.

This article was written by David Carnet.

For product information, visit: www.estockware.com

Mike Russell

2006-03-24, 10:16 pm

<sales@estockware.com> wrote in message
news:1143248984.820613.94950@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> Adobe offers select pricing to disributors,
<snip>

Don't fall for it. This is rationalization from a source that has a vested
interest in selling gray market software.

There are legal limits on selling of educational versions that are part of
the contract they sign with Adobe in return for the right to sell
educational versions. There are also import restrictions on gray market
products intended for distribution in other countries.

There are also individuals who make money by circumventing these
restrictions, and who are good at avoiding legal penalties. This does not
make it legal, nor does it guarantee that Adobe will honor upgrades from
products that were sold or otherwise illegally obtained.

estockware.com is a case in point. The domain was registered four months
ago, they have no web presence or reviews, and no permanent address. If you
do business with them, you may get product, or you may find that they simply
spend a month harvesting credit card numbers, fold their tents, and vanish.
--
Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com

Rudy Benner

2006-03-24, 10:16 pm

<sales@estockware.com> wrote in message
news:1143248984.820613.94950@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> Adobe offers select pricing to disributors, retailers, and educational
> users. Along these seperate distribution channels one thing remains the
> same, the product: they are identical in every aspect, functionality,

BIG SNIP.

> into this. (see below) Bottomline is that you are saving alot of $$$
> and doing it legally. It is worth the time to inform yourselves.
>
> This article was written by David Carnet.
>
> For product information, visit: www.estockware.com
>

PLUNK, into the killfile with that domain.

davidc@estockware.com

2006-03-25, 3:16 am

Mike, I appreciate your concern for the community and I am glad there
are members like you concerned for our well being and of course our
pockets.

Before this topic becomes heated, please see "first sales doctrine" and
read into softman vs.adobe case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine

Here you'll get an understanding as to why this case was ruled in favor
of softman who had been allegedly violating adobe licensing agreements.
This will provide an understanding as to what exactly these licensing
agreements are all about.

Please inform yourselves and you can draw your own conclusions. This
is why I had the article removed.

In regards to my site, I understand there are no address or phone
numbers however I will have them up shortly.

D-Mac

2006-03-25, 3:16 am

davidc@estockware.com wrote:
> Mike, I appreciate your concern for the community and I am glad there
> are members like you concerned for our well being and of course our
> pockets.
>
> Before this topic becomes heated, please see "first sales doctrine" and
> read into softman vs.adobe case.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine
>
> Here you'll get an understanding as to why this case was ruled in favor
> of softman who had been allegedly violating adobe licensing agreements.
> This will provide an understanding as to what exactly these licensing
> agreements are all about.
>
> Please inform yourselves and you can draw your own conclusions. This
> is why I had the article removed.
>
> In regards to my site, I understand there are no address or phone
> numbers however I will have them up shortly.
>
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It's not illegal to import an atomic bomb into Australia but you'd be in
a heap of shit if your ever tried to use it.

The same goes for selling Educational versions of software. It's not
illegal to sell it to anyone - regardless of them being students or not.
Just try and use it for commercial purposes and see how you go in a
court action. All you are doing is shirking responsibility with the
knowledge that your customer is almost certainly breaking the law if
they use it.

You sir, are a parasite on the face of humanity. Profiteering at the
expense of the people you dupe. You use a loophole in the law to sell
the stuff knowing your customer is breaking the law if they use it
outside a narrow use area and turn you back, claiming it's not your
problem if they get caught. Take you spam somewhere else.

davidc@estockware.com

2006-03-25, 3:16 am

"You sir, are a parasite on the face of humanity." ???????????????

You know what? I proceeded to make my argument in a professional
manner, apparently some of you are not intellectual enough to make your
arguments without slander. Challenge me using factual information.

If you can prove, provide factual information to discredit me then and
only then you should post anything. Show me an example of someone who
has been brought to court for this reason, I made a statement and I
provided information supporting my argument, I did not insult anyone in
doing so, I will not resort to this either to convey my point across.

Softman VS Adobe, read and learn..

Roy G

2006-03-25, 6:15 pm

"davidc@estockware.com" <sales@estockware.com> wrote in message
news:1143264279.728465.263320@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> "You sir, are a parasite on the face of humanity." ???????????????
>
> You know what? I proceeded to make my argument in a professional
> manner, apparently some of you are not intellectual enough to make your
> arguments without slander. Challenge me using factual information.
>
> If you can prove, provide factual information to discredit me then and
> only then you should post anything. Show me an example of someone who
> has been brought to court for this reason, I made a statement and I
> provided information supporting my argument, I did not insult anyone in
> doing so, I will not resort to this either to convey my point across.
>
> Softman VS Adobe, read and learn..
>

He is correct, to a certain extent.

Under Common law if you buy something it becomes entirely your property and
you may do whatever you please with it. The previous owner has no rights in
it, once it is sold.

(That principle is going to bite the printer Manufacturers one of these
days, and the EU is already looking).

Software however may well be different, you are not actually buying a copy,
you are buying the right to use a copy.

If the Software Cd gets scratched, you can usually have it replaced either
Free, or at nominal cost.

Adobe however, from what I have read, are not too good at replacing previous
edition Cds.

They may therefore have removed themselves from the benefit of only selling
the right to use the product.

They can't have it both ways.

Roy G