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Peter Wollenberg

2006-11-19, 6:18 pm

arnor@icetips.com wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>Today I took some photos at a reception with a Canon EOS 350XT. I used
>the on camera flash, but didn't realize that right above the subject
>was a very strong tungsten light shining directly down. So the front
>of the subject looks good, but the what can be seen of the top of the
>poor guy and the face of the guy standing beside him looks like the
>picture was taken using a candle light<g> I have several photographs
>that I would like to print out, but the results I've got are far from
>impressive. I use PS CS (not CS2, which I know has better/more white
>balance features) and I can't seem to figure out what adjustments are
>appropriate. I do levels and curves on all photos that I process, but
>I'm unsure what would be the correct steps. Any ideas?
>


I'd do the corrections for the face on a duplicate layer, then use a
mask to limit the changes to the affected areas. Can you put the image
online or send me a copy, so that I could give it a try? There are
numerous approaches to this kind of a problem and the best one can be
chosen only after inspection of the image.

Peter

Mike Russell

2006-11-19, 6:18 pm

"Peter Wollenberg" <jenelisepasceci@web.de> wrote in message
news:454efdab.5314562@134.96.4.2...
> arnor@icetips.com wrote:
>
>
> I'd do the corrections for the face on a duplicate layer, then use a
> mask to limit the changes to the affected areas. Can you put the image
> online or send me a copy, so that I could give it a try? There are
> numerous approaches to this kind of a problem and the best one can be
> chosen only after inspection of the image.


Peter is quite right. I'd also be interested in a sample image.
--

Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/


Arnor

2006-11-19, 6:18 pm

Hi Peter, Mike,

> I'd do the corrections for the face on a duplicate layer, then use a
> mask to limit the changes to the affected areas. Can you put the image
> online or send me a copy, so that I could give it a try? There are
> numerous approaches to this kind of a problem and the best one can be
> chosen only after inspection of the image.


Masks are something that I'm only starting to work with so I definitely
have some ways to go there:)

I've uploaded the entire image (3.6MB) to:

http://www.itakefotos.com/photos/_MG_1785.ZIP

The light there was really bad with mixture of strong tungsten light
coming from above, daylight from the back (behind me) yet not enough.
This is taken at ISO1600 at 1/80 sec, f5. I take mostly outdoor photos
so this is new to me<g>

Thanks guys:)

Arnor Baldvinsson
San Antonio, Texas.

Sandy Barrie

2006-11-19, 6:19 pm

Hi,

If you have shot it in RAW format it would be simple.

Just open the image first time with the colourbalace for the face, then
open it again second time adjusting the colour balance for the tungsten.

Combine both images into on file by dragging one image ontop of another
holding down the shift key.

make one of the layers into HIDE ALL layer, and then just paint back the
area of the mask that you need. This is best done on the smaller part of
the image you need being corrected, and as the Top layer...

Regards

Sandy



arnor@icetips.com wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Today I took some photos at a reception with a Canon EOS 350XT. I used
> the on camera flash, but didn't realize that right above the subject
> was a very strong tungsten light shining directly down. So the front
> of the subject looks good, but the what can be seen of the top of the
> poor guy and the face of the guy standing beside him looks like the
> picture was taken using a candle light<g> I have several photographs
> that I would like to print out, but the results I've got are far from
> impressive. I use PS CS (not CS2, which I know has better/more white
> balance features) and I can't seem to figure out what adjustments are
> appropriate. I do levels and curves on all photos that I process, but
> I'm unsure what would be the correct steps. Any ideas?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Arnor Baldvinsson
> San Antonio, Texas,
>

Arnor

2006-11-19, 6:19 pm

Hi Sandy,

Sandy Barrie wrote:

> If you have shot it in RAW format it would be simple.


Thanks for the advise - unfortunately I shot this in JPEG only:( For
the most part I shoot JPEG only rather than RAW or RAW+JPEG for outdoor
shots and I just wasn't thinking! Thanks for the advise, doing double
processing on the image white balance in RAW would have been an easy
way out of this.

Best regards,

Arnor Baldvinsson
San Antonio, Texas

Mike Russell

2006-11-19, 6:19 pm

> Thanks for the advise - unfortunately I shot this in JPEG only:( For
> the most part I shoot JPEG only rather than RAW or RAW+JPEG for outdoor
> shots and I just wasn't thinking! Thanks for the advise, doing double
> processing on the image white balance in RAW would have been an easy
> way out of this.


How about posting one of your images. Did you try doing an experimental
pair of images with two separate white balance settings? Matching them up
with curves would provide you with a method of fixing your images.

As another alternative, if you will allow your images to be used potentially
as examples on my site I will volunteer to see what I can do with them.
Email me at Mike at Curvemeister.com
--
Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/


Arnor

2006-11-19, 6:19 pm

Hi Mike,

Mike Russell wrote:

> How about posting one of your images. Did you try doing an experimental


I posted a download link earlier in this thread (Nov 6.):

http://www.itakefotos.com/photos/_MG_1785.ZIP

Best regards,

Arnor Baldvinsson
San Antonio, Texas

Mike Russell

2006-11-19, 6:19 pm

"Arnor" <arnor@icetips.com> wrote in message
news:1163809183.240521.149750@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
....
> I posted a download link earlier in this thread (Nov 6.):
>
> http://www.itakefotos.com/photos/_MG_1785.ZIP


I got an error 404
--
Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/


John McWilliams

2006-11-19, 6:19 pm

Mike Russell wrote:
> "Arnor" <arnor@icetips.com> wrote in message
> news:1163809183.240521.149750@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> ...
>
> I got an error 404


I get same, at precisely 8:21:48 AM on Saturday, November 18, 2006

--
john mcwilliams
Arnor

2006-11-19, 6:19 pm

Hi Mike & John,

Mike Russell wrote:

>
> I got an error 404


Darn! Well that would explain why nobody commented on it<g> Don't
know what happened, can't find it on the server:(

Try this:

http://www.itakefotos.com/_mg_1785.zip
http://www.itakefotos.com/_mg_1785.jpg

Note that this is unprocessed JPEG (stright out of the camera) and
hasn't been cropped or anything. The jpg link is the original image
(same as in the zip). Both files are about 3.6MB. You guys have given
me a lot of ideas and I've learned a lot in PS in the past couple of
weeks so I think that now I might be able to get back to this and do a
much better job with it.

Best regards,

Arnor Baldvinsson
San Antonio

KatWoman

2006-11-19, 6:19 pm


"Arnor" <arnor@icetips.com> wrote in message
news:1163872849.693157.230080@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> Hi Mike & John,
>
> Mike Russell wrote:
>
>
> Darn! Well that would explain why nobody commented on it<g> Don't
> know what happened, can't find it on the server:(
>
> Try this:
>
> http://www.itakefotos.com/_mg_1785.zip
> http://www.itakefotos.com/_mg_1785.jpg
>
> Note that this is unprocessed JPEG (stright out of the camera) and
> hasn't been cropped or anything. The jpg link is the original image
> (same as in the zip). Both files are about 3.6MB. You guys have given
> me a lot of ideas and I've learned a lot in PS in the past couple of
> weeks so I think that now I might be able to get back to this and do a
> much better job with it.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Arnor Baldvinsson
> San Antonio



OK after I saw this picture I think it does not need color correcting
I LIKE the warm color light on the solemn moment
I did however think a longer lens and softer flash would be better as I like
a more out of focus background
I cropped out most of it
I changed the LEVELS first
made it overall lighter
then I put mask that layer an brought back the low darker areas on the edges
only to highlight the subject
selected area on table with hot spot and used burn midtones or levels can't
remember
fixed the crooked candle stick (select control j transform rotate
retouched the man chin, burn ion his bald spot and top of collar
burn in glove a bit
hot spots off other man face
dodge medals a bit
burn in flowers and saturate
saturate on flag blue
it is here
http://xs209.xs.to/xs209/06466/_mg_1785-kats.jpg




KatWoman

2006-11-19, 6:19 pm


"KatWoman" <JolieXPrincessXKatanaXXX@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:CrJ7h.1418$K9.33@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
>
> "Arnor" <arnor@icetips.com> wrote in message
> news:1163872849.693157.230080@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> OK after I saw this picture I think it does not need color correcting
> I LIKE the warm color light on the solemn moment
> I did however think a longer lens and softer flash would be better as I
> like a more out of focus background
> I cropped out most of it
> I changed the LEVELS first
> made it overall lighter
> then I put mask that layer an brought back the low darker areas on the
> edges only to highlight the subject
> selected area on table with hot spot and used burn midtones or levels
> can't remember
> fixed the crooked candle stick (select control j transform rotate
> retouched the man chin, burn ion his bald spot and top of collar
> burn in glove a bit
> hot spots off other man face
> dodge medals a bit
> burn in flowers and saturate
> saturate on flag blue
> it is here
> http://xs209.xs.to/xs209/06466/_mg_1785-kats.jpg





here is a before after
http://xs109.xs.to/xs109/06466/_mg_1785.gif

[url=http://xs.to]Free Image Hosting[/url] [xs.to]


>
>
>
>



Mike Russell

2006-11-19, 6:19 pm

"Arnor" <arnor@icetips.com> wrote in message
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[re skin tones and mixed lighting]
> http://www.itakefotos.com/_mg_1785.zip
> http://www.itakefotos.com/_mg_1785.jpg


Hi Arnor,

Here's my take.
http://mike.russell-home.net/tmp/ArnorBaldvinsson/

I used curves to do an overall lightening of the image, a selective color
layer to pull magenta out of reds to improve the skin tones, and a Hue/Sat
layer with a mask to get rid of the strange highlights that affected mainly
the braid and gloves. The above link includes a tiff version with the
correction layers and masks.

There is some more hand retouching that could be done - using the sharpen
tool on the of details in the uniform, increasing the saturation of the flag
colors, cloning out the candle stick, and darkening the flowers and other
items in the rather cluttered background would be at the top of my list.

Color-wise, the image is not that bad to begin with, with the main problem
being the darkness and the somewhat reddish skin tones It is improved
substantially by assigning sRGB, which has the effect of desaturating the
colors, and even improving shadow detail.
--
Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/




KatWoman

2006-11-19, 6:19 pm


"KatWoman" <JolieXPrincessXKatanaXXX@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:CrJ7h.1418$K9.33@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
>
> "Arnor" <arnor@icetips.com> wrote in message
> news:1163872849.693157.230080@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> OK after I saw this picture I think it does not need color correcting
> I LIKE the warm color light on the solemn moment
> I did however think a longer lens and softer flash would be better as I
> like a more out of focus background
> I cropped out most of it
> I changed the LEVELS first
> made it overall lighter
> then I put mask that layer an brought back the low darker areas on the
> edges only to highlight the subject
> selected area on table with hot spot and used burn midtones or levels
> can't remember
> fixed the crooked candle stick (select control j transform rotate
> retouched the man chin, burn ion his bald spot and top of collar
> burn in glove a bit
> hot spots off other man face
> dodge medals a bit
> burn in flowers and saturate
> saturate on flag blue
> it is here
> http://xs209.xs.to/xs209/06466/_mg_1785-kats.jpg
>

AND TAKING IT FURTHER
Gaussian blur layer with mask around subjects
add flames to candles so the warm light looks correct!!
looked at problem you had as not being a problem
http://xs209.xs.to/xs209/06466/HowToScreenshot.jpg


KatWoman

2006-11-19, 6:19 pm


"Mike Russell" <RE-MOVEmike@Curvemeister.comRE-MOVE> wrote in message
news:WlK7h.8495$IR4.5068@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
> "Arnor" <arnor@icetips.com> wrote in message
> news:1163872849.693157.230080@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>
> [re skin tones and mixed lighting]
>
> Hi Arnor,
>
> Here's my take.
> http://mike.russell-home.net/tmp/ArnorBaldvinsson/
>
> I used curves to do an overall lightening of the image, a selective color
> layer to pull magenta out of reds to improve the skin tones, and a
> Hue/Sat layer with a mask to get rid of the strange highlights that
> affected mainly the braid and gloves. The above link includes a tiff
> version with the correction layers and masks.
>
> There is some more hand retouching that could be done - using the sharpen
> tool on the of details in the uniform, increasing the saturation of the
> flag colors, cloning out the candle stick, and darkening the flowers and
> other items in the rather cluttered background would be at the top of my
> list.
>
> Color-wise, the image is not that bad to begin with, with the main problem
> being the darkness and the somewhat reddish skin tones It is improved
> substantially by assigning sRGB, which has the effect of desaturating the
> colors, and even improving shadow detail.
> --
> Mike Russell
> www.curvemeister.com/forum/
>

I like that you can see a nicer white than mine and the details in the
shadow areas of the suits
very nice


KatWoman

2006-11-19, 6:19 pm


"KatWoman" <JolieXPrincessXKatanaXXX@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9zK7h.607$Q7.518@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>
> "Mike Russell" <RE-MOVEmike@Curvemeister.comRE-MOVE> wrote in message
> news:WlK7h.8495$IR4.5068@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
> I like that you can see a nicer white than mine and the details in the
> shadow areas of the suits
> very nice
>

here are two versions finished (or as much as I am gonna do for free!)
http://xs109.xs.to/xs109/06466/WarmVersion1785.jpg
http://xs109.xs.to/xs109/06466/CoolVersion1785.jpg





Mike Russell

2006-11-19, 6:19 pm

"KatWoman" <JolieXPrincessXKatanaXXX@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Q_K7h.829$Q7.287@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
....
> here are two versions finished
> http://xs109.xs.to/xs109/06466/WarmVersion1785.jpg
> http://xs109.xs.to/xs109/06466/CoolVersion1785.jpg


I like the look of the blur.

> (or as much as I am gonna do for free!)

We're not getting paid??? LOL
--

Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/



Arnor

2006-11-19, 6:19 pm

Hi,

> I did however think a longer lens and softer flash would be better as I like
> a more out of focus background


No argument here. The problem was that I only had the on-camera flash
and 28-55mm lens. I think my 70-300 would have been too long and it
would also have been too slow (f4.0-5.6).

> it is here
> http://xs209.xs.to/xs209/06466/_mg_1785-kats.jpg


Thank you very much for all the work and details. You and Mike have
given me a lot of ideas on how to work with these type of photos:) I
really like that photo.

Best regards,

Arnor Baldvinsson
San Antonio, Texas

Arnor

2006-11-19, 6:19 pm

Hi Mike,

Mike Russell wrote:

> There is some more hand retouching that could be done - using the sharpen
> tool on the of details in the uniform, increasing the saturation of the flag
> colors, cloning out the candle stick, and darkening the flowers and other
> items in the rather cluttered background would be at the top of my list.


Thank you so much for all the work and demonstration. I had spent
couple of hours working on this into the very early hours of the
morning when I was just about done and my computer got a hickup and
rebooted itself! I had completely lost track of time and hadn't saved
for an hour and lost all that. I have no idea what happened but I had
got the image looking very nice actually. Oh well, there will be
another attempt another day<g>

Best regards,

Arnor Baldvinsson
San Antonio, Texas

Mike Russell

2006-11-19, 6:19 pm


"Arnor" <arnor@icetips.com> wrote in message
news:1163928276.030029.249530@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> Hi Mike,
>
> Mike Russell wrote:
>
>
> Thank you so much for all the work and demonstration. I had spent
> couple of hours working on this into the very early hours of the
> morning when I was just about done and my computer got a hickup and
> rebooted itself! I had completely lost track of time and hadn't saved
> for an hour and lost all that. I have no idea what happened but I had
> got the image looking very nice actually. Oh well, there will be
> another attempt another day<g>


I'm glad that Katwoman and I could be of help for is obviously a very
meaningful image.

Someday Photoshop will support an option to save your work automatically,
and many thousands of man hours will be saved.
--
Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/


Arnor

2006-11-19, 6:19 pm

Hi Mike,

Mike Russell wrote:

> I'm glad that Katwoman and I could be of help for is obviously a very
> meaningful image.


Yes, you guys helped a __LOT__ I've only been working in PS for about
3 months and not really seriously until about a month ago. Ton of
stuff still to explore, obviously<g> I mostly take nature photos and
people photos are something I'm not used to and have a lot to learn
about. I just really like this photo and the guy receiving the flag is
a friend of ours and he absolutely loved my horrendous first version of
it<g>

> Someday Photoshop will support an option to save your work automatically,
> and many thousands of man hours will be saved.


Well, it was my mistake. It appears that some XP update downloaded and
the only think I can think of is that it required a reboot and I just
happened to be moving the pen on my pad over it when the message popped
up and I never saw it. PS popped up the save message with the
Yes/No/Cancel and I just didn't stop to think what I was doing and hit
cancel only to see PS shut down immediately! Then I realized I'd been
working in the silly thing for over 2 hours, thought it was like 15
mintues. Time flies when you're having fun:)

Again - thanks a bunch to both of you:)

Best regards,

Arnor Baldvinsson
San Antonio, Texas.

Mike Russell

2006-11-19, 6:20 pm

"Arnor" <arnor@icetips.com> wrote in message
news:1163956623.739955.317340@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
....
> Well, it was my mistake. It appears that some XP update downloaded and
> the only think I can think of is that it required a reboot ...


Yes, my system did this yesterday too - my guess is millions of systems
booted that day, and I bet you were not the only person to lose work because
of it.
--

Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/


Arnor

2006-11-19, 6:20 pm

Hi Mike,

Mike Russell wrote:

> Yes, my system did this yesterday too - my guess is millions of systems
> booted that day, and I bet you were not the only person to lose work because
> of it.


Probably not<g>

Anyway, here is what I managed today. I took all the advise you guys
gave me and here are the results:

http://www.itakefotos.com/stuff/receiving_the_flag.jpg

I think I may have overdone the blue in the flag a bit. I cloned the
candlelight holder out and actually cloned the right leg of the table
onto the left leg and set the opacity of that layer to about 67% That
painted over the clipped highlights from the flash and gave it a more
realistic look. I also darkened the flowers a bit and cleaned up here
and there. Finally I cropped it to 8x10" but had also cropped it to
4x6" and there I extended the floor and wall behind it to keep the same
width of the image. I'm fairly pleased with the results, give the
original:)

Best regards,

Arnor Baldvinsson
San Antonio, Texas.

Mike Russell

2006-11-19, 6:20 pm

From: "Arnor" <arnor@icetips.com>
....
> Anyway, here is what I managed today. I took all the advise you guys
> gave me and here are the results:
>
> http://www.itakefotos.com/stuff/receiving_the_flag.jpg
>
> I think I may have overdone the blue in the flag a bit. I cloned the
> candlelight holder out and actually cloned the right leg of the table
> onto the left leg and set the opacity of that layer to about 67% That
> painted over the clipped highlights from the flash and gave it a more
> realistic look. I also darkened the flowers a bit and cleaned up here
> and there. Finally I cropped it to 8x10" but had also cropped it to
> 4x6" and there I extended the floor and wall behind it to keep the same
> width of the image. I'm fairly pleased with the results, give the
> original:)


This looks a lot better. You've managed to do the cloning without leaving a
trace, and I do like the way the flag stands out, and I don't think anyone
is going to notice the extra color, or think it is a problem. The picture
is very much improved, without looking overworked.

As always, after a big improvement, I still see a few more things that could
be done. Assuming you are looking for more work to do on an idle Sunday
:-), I still find that some of the brighter and more angular elements in the
background are slightly distracting - the flower particularly should be
darker, like the one below and to the right. The zig zag shape and the
shadow of the alter behind the persons face on the right is distracting.
Ditto for the char leg along the right side. Katwoman's solution of
blurring the background seemed to work well. If you prefer a different
look, even a small amount of blur will help with the angular shadow
patterns, or the background could be darkened and desaturated.
---
Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/


Arnor

2006-12-06, 6:20 pm

Hi Mike,

Mike Russell wrote:

> As always, after a big improvement, I still see a few more things that could
> be done. Assuming you are looking for more work to do on an idle Sunday
> :-), I still find that some of the brighter and more angular elements in the
> background are slightly distracting - the flower particularly should be
> darker, like the one below and to the right. The zig zag shape and the
> shadow of the alter behind the persons face on the right is distracting.
> Ditto for the char leg along the right side. Katwoman's solution of
> blurring the background seemed to work well. If you prefer a different
> look, even a small amount of blur will help with the angular shadow
> patterns, or the background could be darkened and desaturated.


Try this one:

http://www.itakefotos.com/stuff/rec..._the_flag_a.jpg

Chair was in the way so I removed it<g> Same with the drapery that was
on the wall on the right. Flower is now much subdued and the shadows
smoothed out. I'm getting really good with the clone stamp after this
image;) I don't want to blur the background as it IMO does give the
image a certain setting, certain atmosphere that is lost if it's
blurred.

Best regards,

Arnor Baldvinsson
San Antonio, Texas

Arnor

2006-12-06, 6:20 pm

Hi KatWoman,

KatWoman wrote:

> http://xs209.xs.to/xs209/06466/HowToScreenshot.jpg


Could you help me out with this: In your layer with the gaussian blur
you have the image in the layer and then the mask. Lots of times I
have several layers (adjusment layers and regular layers) on top of the
background image. How do I get a copy of the adjusted/edited image
into a _new_ layer so I can apply filters, such as the blur etc.?

Also: Sometimes when I add layers (adjustment layers or regular) I
only the get yin-yang icon in the layers list. Sometimes I get the
proper icons (adjustment icons) into the layer list. With just the
yin-yang icon it's very difficult to remember which layer is which.
See this screenshot:

http://www.itakefotos.com/stuff/photoshop_layers.jpg
http://www.itakefotos.com/stuff/photoshop_layers_2.jpg

In that second screenshot, the proper icons just showed up all of a
sudden. Closing/opening PS doesn't change it - I don't know what does.
Is there some setting that I need to set or something I'm not doing
correctly?

Best regards,

Arnor Baldvinsson
San Antonio, Texas

John McWilliams

2006-12-06, 6:20 pm

Arnor wrote:
> Hi Mike,
>
> Mike Russell wrote:
>
>
> Try this one:
>
> http://www.itakefotos.com/stuff/rec..._the_flag_a.jpg
>
> Chair was in the way so I removed it<g> Same with the drapery that was
> on the wall on the right. Flower is now much subdued and the shadows
> smoothed out. I'm getting really good with the clone stamp after this
> image;) I don't want to blur the background as it IMO does give the
> image a certain setting, certain atmosphere that is lost if it's
> blurred.


This is an informative discussion! Thanks for making it possible. Yes,
the chair removal is a good thing, but I rather liked the candle or
candles on the alter, depending on whose version. I liked the Gaussian
blur, but for me it made the chair stick out more. And I think for a
document-type photo (although it's more, too), the b/g being in focus is
a plus. Any rule of thumbs here on when to use, or not use, blur?

I have been wrestling with blurring part of a bg of a large team photo I
took, and I should probably make a new thread on that.

--
John McWilliams
Arnor

2006-12-06, 6:20 pm

Hi John,

John McWilliams wrote:
> This is an informative discussion! Thanks for making it possible. Yes,
> the chair removal is a good thing, but I rather liked the candle or
> candles on the alter, depending on whose version. I liked the Gaussian
> blur, but for me it made the chair stick out more. And I think for a
> document-type photo (although it's more, too), the b/g being in focus is
> a plus. Any rule of thumbs here on when to use, or not use, blur?
>
> I have been wrestling with blurring part of a bg of a large team photo I
> took, and I should probably make a new thread on that.


Glad you like the thread - I have learned a lot in the past few days<g>

As for the blur in this particular case: The guy standing is my friend
and this was his retirement cermony at the US Air Force after 20+ years
as a chaplain. He has been seeing men and women take off for battle
from the bases here in San Antonio more times that he cares to
remember. Because of that, the altar and the flowers in the background
are what helps make this picture what it is. With the chair and the
drapes on the right side gone, the drapes above the altar don't really
make much of a difference.

Best regards,

Arnor

2006-12-06, 6:20 pm

Hi Mike,

Final, final version<g>

After a lot of thinking I added the candle back in. Didn't like it.
Wasn't sure what to do about it until I got the idea to move it to the
right a bit. Still didn't like it and realized that it was too big and
grabbed too much attention. So I shrunk it by about 30% and it looks
soooo much better. Now I feel that the image is finally in balance.

http://www.itakefotos.com/stuff/rec..._the_flag_b.jpg

Best regards,

Arnor Baldvinsson
San Antonio, Texas

Mike Russell

2006-12-06, 6:20 pm

"Arnor" <arnor@icetips.com> wrote in message
news:1164089558.182248.271650@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> Hi Mike,
>
> Final, final version<g>
>
> After a lot of thinking I added the candle back in. Didn't like it.
> Wasn't sure what to do about it until I got the idea to move it to the
> right a bit. Still didn't like it and realized that it was too big and
> grabbed too much attention. So I shrunk it by about 30% and it looks
> soooo much better. Now I feel that the image is finally in balance.
>
> http://www.itakefotos.com/stuff/rec..._the_flag_b.jpg


Very very nice - I think you've got it on the nose now!
--
Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/


Arnor

2006-12-06, 6:20 pm

Hi Mike,

Mike Russell wrote:
> Very very nice - I think you've got it on the nose now!


Thanks - and thanks for all the help and ideas:) I've learned a lot
about Photoshop by working on this photo<g>

Best regards,

Arnor Baldvinsson
San Antonio, Texas

John McWilliams

2006-12-06, 6:20 pm

Arnor wrote:
> Hi Mike,
>
> Mike Russell wrote:
>
> Thanks - and thanks for all the help and ideas:) I've learned a lot
> about Photoshop by working on this photo<g>


I ran Neat Image on the photo, from a sample in the image itself. It
really isn't real noticeable until you view it at over 50%, but at 100%
viewing on the screen, the noise of 1600 is quite noticeable. Neat Image
cleaned it up very well.

--
John McWilliams
Arnor

2006-12-06, 6:20 pm

Hi John,

John McWilliams wrote:

> I ran Neat Image on the photo, from a sample in the image itself. It
> really isn't real noticeable until you view it at over 50%, but at 100%
> viewing on the screen, the noise of 1600 is quite noticeable. Neat Image
> cleaned it up very well.


I agree and I downloaded the NI demo and have been playing with it and
it does a very good job indeed, but my funds today are tied up in
buying couple of big turkeys and ton of other stuff for Thanksgiving,
so it'll have to wait<g> Thanks for giving me heads up on the NI
plugin, it's on my Christmas list now<g> Most of my photos are shot at
100ASA so I normally don't have to deal with noise very much.

Best regards,

Arnor Baldvinsson
San Antonio, Texas

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