Computer Graphics with Photoshop - converting HD to NTFS for CS

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converting HD to NTFS for CS

Frank

2004-09-20, 4:14 am

hello,
I have an older machine running windows 98SE and a small hard drive 20GB.
In order to upgrade from PS7 to CS I have bought and installed a large HD
(120 GB).
The file type of the old and new drives are still Fat32 and I want/need the
new one to be NTFS for CS apparently, but when I launch Partition Magic and
want to convert the drive from Fat32 I find that the NTFS option is greyed
out and unavailable.
Should I install a copy of Windows XP on the new hard drive and then will
the option to convert to ntfs become available? If I do this then I'd still
have 98SE on the old drive which is useful for maintaining what I have on
there I guess. Or do I have to upgrade from 98to XP and only have the one OS
on one drive.
Can someone help me out on this?
thanks

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xx

Al Dykes

2004-09-20, 4:14 am

In article <bgr3d.7757$bL1.250428@news20.bellglobal.com>,
Frank <whosoever@wherever.com> wrote:
>hello,
>I have an older machine running windows 98SE and a small hard drive 20GB.
>In order to upgrade from PS7 to CS I have bought and installed a large HD
>(120 GB).
>The file type of the old and new drives are still Fat32 and I want/need the
>new one to be NTFS for CS apparently, but when I launch Partition Magic and
>want to convert the drive from Fat32 I find that the NTFS option is greyed
>out and unavailable.
>Should I install a copy of Windows XP on the new hard drive and then will
>the option to convert to ntfs become available? If I do this then I'd still
>have 98SE on the old drive which is useful for maintaining what I have on
>there I guess. Or do I have to upgrade from 98to XP and only have the one OS
>on one drive.
>Can someone help me out on this?
>thanks
>
>--
>xx
>

You can install XP on the existing disk (assuming there is enough
space) and make it dual boot with 98, but only if that disk stays
FAT32.

When running XP you can format the 120GB disk as NTFS and use it for
PS, but the C drive is still FAT32 (which is fine as far as XP cares)
but I don't know what PS does in this case.

When running 98 you won't be able to see any of the files you put on
the 120GB disk.

I can't Imagine why PM has grayed out NTFS, unless they are trying to
protect you from yourself. I hate to say dump 98, but dump 98.

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Al Dykes
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adykes at p a n i x . c o m

Ryadia

2004-09-20, 4:14 am

Frank wrote:

> hello,
> I have an older machine running windows 98SE and a small hard drive 20GB.
> In order to upgrade from PS7 to CS I have bought and installed a large HD
> (120 GB).
> The file type of the old and new drives are still Fat32 and I want/need the
> new one to be NTFS for CS apparently, but when I launch Partition Magic and
> want to convert the drive from Fat32 I find that the NTFS option is greyed
> out and unavailable.
> Should I install a copy of Windows XP on the new hard drive and then will
> the option to convert to ntfs become available? If I do this then I'd still
> have 98SE on the old drive which is useful for maintaining what I have on
> there I guess. Or do I have to upgrade from 98to XP and only have the one OS
> on one drive.
> Can someone help me out on this?
> thanks
>
> --
> xx
>
>
There is nothing to stop you installing both XP and Photoshop on a FAT32
drive and there may even be some compelling reasons to do just that.

The first reason you would keep a FAT32 system on the drive is the
ability to easily recover from a disaster or worse, some of the
w32/worms that are around which prevent your PC from booting into XP
altogether.

You could use a DOS boot disk and just copy all your data to another
disk... Something which is impossible with a NTFS file system unless you
resort to using Unix for the task.

I have Photoshop CS running on a Win2k system with FAT32. It runs mildly
faster and needs to be defraged more often but I can get to any files I
need if Windows crashes.

NTFS is basically a Microsoft patented file system which almost
guarantees that no one will produce any repair or recovery software
without either paying Microsoft for the code or (illegally) reverse
engineering NTFS itself.

If you need to provide local file security then NTFS is the only choice.
If however, you have no need to secure your files against other users -
Like you secure the PC itself in a locked room, Go for FAT32.

Ryadia

Ryadia

2004-09-20, 7:14 am

Waldo wrote:
> I don't fully agree with your story. FAT32 is indeed a more open system,
> readable for Win98, XP, Linux, etc. etc. and maybe slightly faster. But NTFS
> is much safer (like EXT3 under Linux) because of the logging. After a crash,
> it is easy to recover files on NTFS, what is sometimes impossible with
> FAT32.
>
> So for the lockdown issue: choose NTFS or go to a Unix flavor.
>
> I've chosen FAT32 accidently for my 200 GB FireWire drive. Rendering video's
> to that drive is impossible as they exceed easily the stupid 2 GB boundary
> of FAT32. This is not only an issue for video, but also for large scans
> (currently my biggest scan is 1.6 GB, but who knows the size in 2 or 3
> years).
>
> There are tools by the way for reading NTFS disks under DOS (ideal for a
> boot disk). Normally, my data resides on a different disk/partition than
> Window$. When Windows needs a re-install, I just re-install it and have
> access to my data again.
>
> Waldo
>
>
So obviously you have never had to send your drive air freight, halfway
round the world to on-track's Lab to have the NTFS file system unraveled
just so you can recover your client files from it and gotten a bill for
$2700?

The tools you speak of are incapable of reliably writing to NTFS, an
essencial proceedure to repairing such a file system so it can be used
to recover large files intact. but your seperate drive for OS and files
has merit. Photoshop has no ability to create a movie, this is a
Photoshop group and we shouldn't move too far off topic now, should we?

Ryadia

Voivod

2004-09-20, 7:14 pm

On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 22:38:02 -0400, "Frank" <whosoever@wherever.com>
scribbled:

>hello,
>I have an older machine running windows 98SE and a small hard drive 20GB.
>In order to upgrade from PS7 to CS I have bought and installed a large HD
>(120 GB).
>The file type of the old and new drives are still Fat32 and I want/need the
>new one to be NTFS for CS apparently, but when I launch Partition Magic and
>want to convert the drive from Fat32 I find that the NTFS option is greyed
>out and unavailable.
>Should I install a copy of Windows XP on the new hard drive and then will
>the option to convert to ntfs become available? If I do this then I'd still
>have 98SE on the old drive which is useful for maintaining what I have on
>there I guess. Or do I have to upgrade from 98to XP and only have the one OS
>on one drive.
>Can someone help me out on this?

The NTFS option is greyed out because Windows 98 doesn't DO NTFS.

Ryadia

2004-09-22, 11:14 am

Hecate wrote:

> On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:58:11 +1000, Ryadia
> <dont_spam_ryadia@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> I see your knowledge of interpolation is only exceeded by your
> knowledge of file systems... Not!
>
> --
>
> Hecate - The Real One
> Hecate@newsguy.com
> veni, vidi, reliqui

How is it you are such a bloody know it all yet know nothing?

Ryadia

Waldo

2004-09-22, 11:14 am

> So obviously you have never had to send your drive air freight, halfway
> round the world to on-track's Lab to have the NTFS file system unraveled
> just so you can recover your client files from it and gotten a bill for
> $2700?

Nope, but we got a EURO 9800 bill for recovering a FAT32 drive that never
leaved it's computer... Recovery is expensive, no matter the file system (as
long as it is a common format).

> The tools you speak of are incapable of reliably writing to NTFS, an
> essencial proceedure to repairing such a file system so it can be used
> to recover large files intact. but your seperate drive for OS and files
> has merit. Photoshop has no ability to create a movie, this is a
> Photoshop group and we shouldn't move too far off topic now, should we?

No, Photoshop can't make movies, but as I stated, the images are getting
bigger and bigger. Currently 1.6 GB is my maximum size of an image. One
extra layer and FAT32 does not suit anymore.

I'll stop this conversation, because you're appearantly a too fanatic
Micro$oft hater ;-)

Waldo

Danhiel - SoupOrNews Admin

2004-09-22, 11:14 am

in article rbi1l0d5h90sfus4nn168vavk3glcdi6do@4ax.com, Hecate at
hecate@newsguy.com wrote on 09/21/2004 5:38 PM:

> On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 05:41:10 GMT, Voivod <Voi@vod.con> wrote:
>
>
>
> It is best to go to http://www.artistmike.com and find out why.
>
> --
>
> Hecate - The Real One
> Hecate@newsguy.com
> veni, vidi, reliqui

I agree.