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Need some help

BD PC Services

2007-07-05, 10:15 pm

Recently I decided to build my own website for my business due to it
(the business) expanding. I jumped right in figuring that it would be
fairly simple after all I fix computers, handle networking, and even
try my hand at some amateur c type coding.

My problem is that I just don't seem to have an eye for design. The
coding is no problem as most is done in either Coffee Cup or notepad,
but I can't seem to get things going how I want them, or more
importantly in a way that would be pleasing to customers and help my
conversion rate. If you folks could take a look at my site and
provide some feedback I would be very grateful.

http://www.bdpcsvc.com

Thanks!

Jerry Stuckle

2007-07-05, 10:15 pm

BD PC Services wrote:
> Recently I decided to build my own website for my business due to it
> (the business) expanding. I jumped right in figuring that it would be
> fairly simple after all I fix computers, handle networking, and even
> try my hand at some amateur c type coding.
>
> My problem is that I just don't seem to have an eye for design. The
> coding is no problem as most is done in either Coffee Cup or notepad,
> but I can't seem to get things going how I want them, or more
> importantly in a way that would be pleasing to customers and help my
> conversion rate. If you folks could take a look at my site and
> provide some feedback I would be very grateful.
>
> http://www.bdpcsvc.com
>
> Thanks!
>

I feel your pain; I'm a programmer and not a designer myself :-)

Overall I don't think your design is bad - but it lacks content, IMHO.

A couple of suggestions. Your pages are a bit devoid of content. For
instance, your home page has two short paragraphs. You could use a
better description of your services here. I'm not saying "pad" the text
with a bunch of garbage - but make it more interesting. A marketing
person can often help you with the text here.

The same is true on most other pages. But on your FAQ's page all you
have is a link to another page with subjects for your faq's. Don't
force the user to click on another link just to get to the faq subjects.
Put the subjects on this page, and if the faq's aren't too long (right
now they aren't), put the questions and answers on the page, also, with
links to the sections.

Better yet, under each topic, list the questions with links to the
targets (again, on this page).

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==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================

BD PC Services

2007-07-05, 10:15 pm

On Jul 5, 7:59 pm, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attglobal.net> wrote:
> BD PC Services wrote:
>
>
>
>
> I feel your pain; I'm a programmer and not a designer myself :-)
>
> Overall I don't think your design is bad - but it lacks content, IMHO.
>
> A couple of suggestions. Your pages are a bit devoid of content. For
> instance, your home page has two short paragraphs. You could use a
> better description of your services here. I'm not saying "pad" the text
> with a bunch of garbage - but make it more interesting. A marketing
> person can often help you with the text here.
>
> The same is true on most other pages. But on your FAQ's page all you
> have is a link to another page with subjects for your faq's. Don't
> force the user to click on another link just to get to the faq subjects.
> Put the subjects on this page, and if the faq's aren't too long (right
> now they aren't), put the questions and answers on the page, also, with
> links to the sections.
>
> Better yet, under each topic, list the questions with links to the
> targets (again, on this page).
>
> --
> ==================
> Remove the "x" from my email address
> Jerry Stuckle
> JDS Computer Training Corp.
> jstuck...@attglobal.net
> ==================

Thanks for the feedback I will work on those things.

freemont

2007-07-05, 10:15 pm

On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 19:59:29 -0400, Jerry Stuckle writ:

> The same is true on most other pages. But on your FAQ's page all you
> have is a link to another page with subjects for your faq's. Don't
> force the user to click on another link just to get to the faq subjects.
> Put the subjects on this page, and if the faq's aren't too long (right
> now they aren't), put the questions and answers on the page, also, with
> links to the sections.
>
> Better yet, under each topic, list the questions with links to the
> targets (again, on this page).

Nah, he's got some JS making the answers scroll under the questions on
that page. OP - In Opera, this is what happens when I click a question
close to the bottom of the page:

http://i10.tinypic.com/5zc44li.jpg

Notice that I can't scroll down any further. ;-) Might want to forget the
JS and just use anchors or something. I've no idea what happens in other
browsers.

As far as the look, maybe just pay someone to design for you, or to at
least create a layout you can work with on your own. It looks pretty bad
to me, and I can't design to save my life. Good luck. :-)

--
"Because all you of Earth are idiots!"
¯`·..·¯`·-> freemont© <-·¯`·..·¯

Jerry Stuckle

2007-07-05, 10:15 pm

freemont wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 19:59:29 -0400, Jerry Stuckle writ:
>
>
> Nah, he's got some JS making the answers scroll under the questions on
> that page. OP - In Opera, this is what happens when I click a question
> close to the bottom of the page:
>
> http://i10.tinypic.com/5zc44li.jpg
>
> Notice that I can't scroll down any further. ;-) Might want to forget the
> JS and just use anchors or something. I've no idea what happens in other
> browsers.
>
> As far as the look, maybe just pay someone to design for you, or to at
> least create a layout you can work with on your own. It looks pretty bad
> to me, and I can't design to save my life. Good luck. :-)
>

Ah, that explains it. I have js disabled, so I wouldn't have seen the
answers even if I had clicked on them.

I wouldn't say it looks *bad* - but I also wouldn't say it looks
*great*. And actually, it's pretty good compared to what I would have
designed :-)

However, I do agree - a professional designer would be an improvement.
Or even a better template. Can't say as I have any suggestions as to
where to look for one, though.

--
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================

freemont

2007-07-05, 10:15 pm

On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 20:41:47 -0400, Jerry Stuckle writ:

> However, I do agree - a professional designer would be an improvement.
> Or even a better template. Can't say as I have any suggestions as to
> where to look for one, though.

There's always oswd.org. He could use one from there as a starting point,
and just pay a designer a few bucks for some cool graphics, a logo, etc.

Is it me, or is your system clock an hour behind? ;-)

--
"Because all you of Earth are idiots!"
¯`·..·¯`·-> freemont© <-·¯`·..·¯

Jerry Stuckle

2007-07-06, 3:51 am

freemont wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 20:41:47 -0400, Jerry Stuckle writ:
>
>
> There's always oswd.org. He could use one from there as a starting point,
> and just pay a designer a few bucks for some cool graphics, a logo, etc.
>
> Is it me, or is your system clock an hour behind? ;-)
>

Naw, it's me. I've got it an hour behind because one of my clients
screwed up their clock, and I'm synchronizing some files with them.

I'll get it back in a couple of days when I get their site straighted
out. :-)

--
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================

BD PC Services

2007-07-06, 3:51 am

On Jul 5, 9:25 pm, freemont <freem...@spammenotfreemontsoffice.com>
wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 19:59:29 -0400, Jerry Stuckle writ:
>
>
>
> Nah, he's got some JS making the answers scroll under the questions on
> that page. OP - In Opera, this is what happens when I click a question
> close to the bottom of the page:
>
> http://i10.tinypic.com/5zc44li.jpg
>
> Notice that I can't scroll down any further. ;-) Might want to forget the
> JS and just use anchors or something. I've no idea what happens in other
> browsers.
>
> As far as the look, maybe just pay someone to design for you, or to at
> least create a layout you can work with on your own. It looks pretty bad
> to me, and I can't design to save my life. Good luck. :-)
>
> --
> "Because all you of Earth are idiots!"
> =AF`=B7..=B7=AF`=B7-> freemont=A9 <-=B7=AF`=B7..=B7=AF

I was having the same problem in firefox 2.0 as you are with the JS
but thought I had fixed it. Oh well guess I'll just toss out the JS
idea. For some reason I was thinking it would be a "neat" feature. I
know better too. Simplicity, in all things, is king. Thank you for
the feedback I appreciate it.

Anyone else?

jerry gitomer

2007-07-06, 3:51 am

> My problem is that I just don't seem to have an eye for design. The
> coding is no problem as most is done in either Coffee Cup or notepad,
> but I can't seem to get things going how I want them, or more
> importantly in a way that would be pleasing to customers and help my
> conversion rate. If you folks could take a look at my site and
> provide some feedback I would be very grateful.
>
> http://www.bdpcsvc.com
>
> Thanks!
>
The contrast in your image between the lettering and the
background is poor. The content tends to blend in with the
background.

Get rid of the lowest level pages by moving their content up.
For example the FAQ page makes me click twice to get to the list
of questions and once again to get the answer. You should
change it so that the first click will take you to a FAQ page
that contains the questions and answers. I would rather have
a long page to scroll through (although on a FAQ you should use
intra page links) than be forced to keep clicking.

Your price list is somewhat confusing to the casual observer.
Break out your examples in separate paragraphs. There is
nothing wrong with very short paragraphs.

The schedule page. You don't let the viewer know what, if any,
charge there will be for opening a ticket. Don't leave the
viewer in the dark. When you offer a free service make sure the
viewer knows it won't cost them and that it really is free.

HTH
Jerry

BD PC Services

2007-07-06, 3:51 am

On Jul 5, 11:29 pm, jerry gitomer <jgito...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> The contrast in your image between the lettering and the
> background is poor. The content tends to blend in with the
> background.
>
> Get rid of the lowest level pages by moving their content up.
> For example the FAQ page makes me click twice to get to the list
> of questions and once again to get the answer. You should
> change it so that the first click will take you to a FAQ page
> that contains the questions and answers. I would rather have
> a long page to scroll through (although on a FAQ you should use
> intra page links) than be forced to keep clicking.
>
> Your price list is somewhat confusing to the casual observer.
> Break out your examples in separate paragraphs. There is
> nothing wrong with very short paragraphs.
>
> The schedule page. You don't let the viewer know what, if any,
> charge there will be for opening a ticket. Don't leave the
> viewer in the dark. When you offer a free service make sure the
> viewer knows it won't cost them and that it really is free.
>
> HTH
> Jerry

Thank you! All of this feedback is great. First time I've ever tried
build a website. Lot hard than it "looks" :\

raj22kumar2006@gmail.com

2007-07-06, 10:17 pm

On Jul 6, 5:36 am, BD PC Services <b.dur...@bdpcsvc.com> wrote:
> Recently I decided to build my own website for my business due to it
> (the business) expanding. I jumped right in figuring that it would be
> fairly simple after all I fix computers, handle networking, and even
> try my hand at some amateur c type coding.
>
> My problem is that I just don't seem to have an eye for design. The
> coding is no problem as most is done in either Coffee Cup or notepad,
> but I can't seem to get things going how I want them, or more
> importantly in a way that would be pleasing to customers and help my
> conversion rate. If you folks could take a look at my site and
> provide some feedback I would be very grateful.
>
> http://www.bdpcsvc.com
>
> Thanks!

ur website is looking very nice but one thing i want to tell u, pls
check ur javascript is not working under the below link

http://www.bdpcsvc.com/faqs.html

and u can use some flash on ur website.and some css.

If u want to continue with me pls send me mail :
raj22kumar2006@XXXXXXXXXX

Thanks & Regards
Raj

Jerry Stuckle

2007-07-06, 10:17 pm

raj22kumar2006@XXXXXXXXXX wrote:
> On Jul 6, 5:36 am, BD PC Services <b.dur...@bdpcsvc.com> wrote:
>
> ur website is looking very nice but one thing i want to tell u, pls
> check ur javascript is not working under the below link
>
> http://www.bdpcsvc.com/faqs.html
>
>
> and u can use some flash on ur website.and some css.
>
>
> If u want to continue with me pls send me mail :
> raj22kumar2006@XXXXXXXXXX
>
>
> Thanks & Regards
> Raj
>
>

Naw, forget the flash. It's over-hyped in many instances. Use it where
it will help the site, but don't add it just to have flash.

And using CSS is almost always better, but looking good is the most
important thing.

--
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================

reitz@seo9oneone.com

2007-07-06, 10:17 pm

On Jul 6, 8:56 am, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attglobal.net> wrote:
> raj22kumar2...@XXXXXXXXXX wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Naw, forget the flash. It's over-hyped in many instances. Use it where
> it will help the site, but don't add it just to have flash.
>
> And using CSS is almost always better, but looking good is the most
> important thing.
>
> --
> ==================
> Remove the "x" from my email address
> Jerry Stuckle
> JDS Computer Training Corp.
> jstuck...@attglobal.net
> ==================

never ever use flash! It is nothing that Google can see!
Tom
www.seo9oneone.com

BD PC Services

2007-07-07, 3:19 am

On Jul 5, 11:29 pm, jerry gitomer <jgito...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> The contrast in your image between the lettering and the
> background is poor. The content tends to blend in with the
> background.
>
> Get rid of the lowest level pages by moving their content up.
> For example the FAQ page makes me click twice to get to the list
> of questions and once again to get the answer. You should
> change it so that the first click will take you to a FAQ page
> that contains the questions and answers. I would rather have
> a long page to scroll through (although on a FAQ you should use
> intra page links) than be forced to keep clicking.
>
> Your price list is somewhat confusing to the casual observer.
> Break out your examples in separate paragraphs. There is
> nothing wrong with very short paragraphs.
>
> The schedule page. You don't let the viewer know what, if any,
> charge there will be for opening a ticket. Don't leave the
> viewer in the dark. When you offer a free service make sure the
> viewer knows it won't cost them and that it really is free.
>
> HTH
> Jerry

Alright I've pretty much redone the entire site.

www.bdpcsvc.com/oldsite/index.html is obviously the old version

www.bdpcsvc.com is the new and I certainly hope improved version. At
least I like it better.

Beauregard T. Shagnasty

2007-07-07, 6:21 pm

BD PC Services wrote:

> www.bdpcsvc.com is the new and I certainly hope improved version. At
> least I like it better.

Are you sure? :-)
http://k75s.home.att.net/show/bdpc.jpg

--
-bts
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck

freemont

2007-07-07, 6:21 pm

On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 12:05:17 +0000, Beauregard T. Shagnasty writ:

> BD PC Services wrote:
>
>
> Are you sure? :-)
> http://k75s.home.att.net/show/bdpc.jpg
>

Yeah. I think he forgot something:

http://i19.tinypic.com/63r7dxl.jpg

OP - Seriously, browse oswd.org and pick a template, plug your content
into it, find some free graphics using google image search, and you should
be good to go. There's nothing wrong with doing it this way. :-)

--
"Because all you of Earth are idiots!"
¯`·..·¯`·-> freemont <-·¯`·..·¯

BD PC Services

2007-07-07, 6:21 pm

On Jul 7, 11:21 am, freemont <freem...@spammenotfreemontsoffice.com>
wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 12:05:17 +0000, Beauregard T. Shagnasty writ:
>
>
>
>
> Yeah. I think he forgot something:
>
> http://i19.tinypic.com/63r7dxl.jpg
>
> OP - Seriously, browse oswd.org and pick a template, plug your content
> into it, find some free graphics using google image search, and you should
> be good to go. There's nothing wrong with doing it this way. :-)
>
> --
> "Because all you of Earth are idiots!"
> =AF`=B7..=B7=AF`=B7-> freemont <-=B7=AF`=B7..=B7=AF

No thanks I'll figure it out. I mean it can't be that hard to make
things cross-browser and mutli-resolution compatible can it? There's
only a gazillion sites out there that do it after all, lol

Chaddy2222

2007-07-07, 6:21 pm

On Jul 8, 1:21 am, freemont <freem...@spammenotfreemontsoffice.com>
wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 12:05:17 +0000, Beauregard T. Shagnasty writ:
>
>
>
>
> Yeah. I think he forgot something:
>
> http://i19.tinypic.com/63r7dxl.jpg
>
> OP - Seriously, browse oswd.org and pick a template, plug your content
> into it, find some free graphics using google image search, and you should
> be good to go. There's nothing wrong with doing it this way. :-)
>
Yeah I agree. The Op's site does look rather (ahh well (un-finished)
it needs a bit of colour and maybe some CSS effects such as a
different colour on links when they are hoverd over and a proper box /
container for the footer would look good.
--
Regards Chad. http://freewebdesign.awardspace.biz

Beauregard T. Shagnasty

2007-07-07, 6:21 pm

BD PC Services wrote:

> No thanks I'll figure it out. I mean it can't be that hard to make
> things cross-browser and mutli-resolution compatible can it? There's
> only a gazillion sites out there that do it after all, lol

You should start with a full doctype to keep browsers out of Quirks
Mode. Use this:

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">

<meta name="MSSmartTagsPreventParsing" content="TRUE">
MSSmartTags went away about a decade ago, and were only a beta exercise
by the Mighty Redmond to begin with.

<meta name="ROBOTS" content="index,follow">
is the default, and not necessary.

It would pay you to study a template or three. I've always liked this:
http://www.benmeadowcroft.com/webde...eft-column.html

"Copyright © 2007-2009" ? Getting a bit ahead of ourselves, eh?

Be sure to validate: http://validator.w3.org/

I do wish you had started only one thread in one group... <g>

--
-bts
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck

BD PC Services

2007-07-07, 6:21 pm

On Jul 7, 11:33 am, Chaddy2222 <spamlovermailbox-
sicur...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> On Jul 8, 1:21 am, freemont <freem...@spammenotfreemontsoffice.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yeah I agree. The Op's site does look rather (ahh well (un-finished)
> it needs a bit of colour and maybe some CSS effects such as a
> different colour on links when they are hoverd over and a proper box /
> container for the footer would look good.
> --
> Regards Chad.http://freewebdesign.awardspace.biz

Yeah I agree it's pretty much bland (ie sucks) but first I need to
figure out how to make it position correctly and then I'll worry about
the decor. Which leads me to a question. I'm trying to do this on a
laptop so of course resolution is what it is. I've found a site
(http://www.unk.edu/website/index.php?id=2184#) which will let me see
what it looks like in various resolutions. I'm trying to optimize for
1024x768 since it seems most people are on that or better resolutions.
Should I be trying to make it display on 800x600 or even lower?

BD PC Services

2007-07-07, 6:21 pm

On Jul 7, 11:52 am, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
<a.nony.m...@example.invalid> wrote:
> BD PC Services wrote:
>
> You should start with a full doctype to keep browsers out of Quirks
> Mode. Use this:
>
> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
> "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
>
> <meta name=3D"MSSmartTagsPreventParsing" content=3D"TRUE">
> MSSmartTags went away about a decade ago, and were only a beta exercise
> by the Mighty Redmond to begin with.
>
> <meta name=3D"ROBOTS" content=3D"index,follow">
> is the default, and not necessary.
>
> It would pay you to study a template or three. I've always liked this:htt=
p://www.benmeadowcroft.com/webdev/csstemplates/left-column.html
>
> "Copyright =A9 2007-2009" ? Getting a bit ahead of ourselves, eh?
>
> Be sure to validate: http://validator.w3.org/
>
> I do wish you had started only one thread in one group... <g>
>
> --
> -bts
> -Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck

Yeah sorry about that multi-threads/groups thing. I didn't realize it
was basically the same folks in each group who would have to wade
through my stuff twice...

And I'll take care of the doc-type / meta stuff. I basically just
threw it all in there (as you can probably tell). As far as the
copyright dates nah I just used a date range. I'm not concerned about
someone steal the design lol.

Blinky the Shark

2007-07-07, 6:21 pm

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

> I do wish you had started only one thread in one group... <g>

Google Groper.

--
Blinky RLU 297263
Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project: http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html

paul watt

2007-07-07, 6:21 pm

"BD PC Services" <b.durant@bdpcsvc.com> wrote in message
news:1183831640.205748.273230@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 7, 11:33 am, Chaddy2222 <spamlovermailbox-
> sicur...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> Yeah I agree it's pretty much bland (ie sucks) but first I need to
> figure out how to make it position correctly and then I'll worry about
> the decor. Which leads me to a question. I'm trying to do this on a
> laptop so of course resolution is what it is. I've found a site
> (http://www.unk.edu/website/index.php?id=2184#) which will let me see
> what it looks like in various resolutions. I'm trying to optimize for
> 1024x768 since it seems most people are on that or better resolutions.
> Should I be trying to make it display on 800x600 or even lower?
>

Dont optomise for ANY resolutions, make sure it works for ALL. And for the
love of crumb cake, ditch the comic sans. I thought a law had been passed
about the use of such a horrid font ;)

--
Paul Watt

http://www.paulwattdesigns.com

Beauregard T. Shagnasty

2007-07-07, 6:21 pm

BD PC Services wrote:

> Yeah I agree it's pretty much bland (ie sucks) but first I need to
> figure out how to make it position correctly and then I'll worry
> about the decor.

First step is always good semantic markup...

> Which leads me to a question. I'm trying to do this on a
> laptop so of course resolution is what it is. I've found a site
> (http://www.unk.edu/website/index.php?id=2184#) which will let me see
> what it looks like in various resolutions.

Resolutions are unimportant. Browser window size is somewhat important.

You have no way to tell if your visitors are using a 1600px wide
"resolution" with a browser window around 700px wide. Many people,
especially those with large monitors, do not use a maximized browser
window.

> I'm trying to optimize for 1024x768 since it seems most people are on
> that or better resolutions.

Time to post:
http://allmyfaqs.net/faq.pl?AnySizeDesign

> Should I be trying to make it display on 800x600 or even lower?

Don't forget PDAs, mobile phones, and similar small-screen devices.

--
-bts
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck

Matt-the-Hoople

2007-07-07, 6:21 pm

On 07 Jul 2007, BD PC Services barged into the alt.www.webmaster lounge
and spake thus:

> but first I need to figure out how to make it position correctly

http://validator.w3.org for markup

http://jigsaw.w3.org for CSS

Those will help you to minimize the 'quirks', then you can tweak from
there.

> Should I be trying to make it display on 800x600 or even lower?

That is your choice. A 'fluid' layout is probably best. A fair amount
of folks are still at 800x600. Honest.

--
Matt Lindi
www.mattlindi.com

# d o n ' t b e l i e v e e v e r y t h i n g y o u t h i n k

BD PC Services

2007-07-07, 10:15 pm

On Jul 7, 4:15 pm, "Matt-the-Hoople"
<matt.lindi2@_your_clothes_verizon.net> wrote:
> On 07 Jul 2007, BD PC Services barged into the alt.www.webmasterlounge
> and spake thus:
>
>
> http://validator.w3.orgfor markup
>
> http://jigsaw.w3.orgfor CSS
>
> Those will help you to minimize the 'quirks', then you can tweak from
> there.
>
>
> That is your choice. A 'fluid' layout is probably best. A fair amount
> of folks are still at 800x600. Honest.
>
> --
> Matt Lindiwww.mattlindi.com
>
> # d o n ' t b e l i e v e e v e r y t h i n g y o u t h i n k

I reworked it a bit to make it more uh, interesting... colors, etc. I
also tried to make it more fluid though I fear I've failed miserably.
Can some give me a few links to tutorials regarding fluid web design?

www.bdpcsvc.com

Beauregard T. Shagnasty

2007-07-07, 10:15 pm

BD PC Services wrote:

> I reworked it a bit to make it more uh, interesting... colors, etc. I
> also tried to make it more fluid though I fear I've failed miserably.

http://k75s.home.att.net/show/bdpc.jpg

> Can some give me a few links to tutorials regarding fluid web design?

Did you look at the benmeadowcroft template I posted?

--
-bts
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck

Chris F.A. Johnson

2007-07-07, 10:15 pm

On 2007-07-07, BD PC Services wrote:
> I reworked it a bit to make it more uh, interesting... colors, etc. I
> also tried to make it more fluid though I fear I've failed miserably.
> Can some give me a few links to tutorials regarding fluid web design?
>
> www.bdpcsvc.com

You didn't do anything about the cause of the problem: absolute
positioning. Take a look at this:

<http://cfaj.freeshell.org/testing/bdpc.html>

--
Chris F.A. Johnson <http://cfaj.freeshell.org>
===================================================================
Author:
Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)

Bergamot

2007-07-07, 10:15 pm

BD PC Services wrote:
>
> I reworked it a bit to make it more uh, interesting... colors, etc. I
> also tried to make it more fluid though I fear I've failed miserably.
> Can some give me a few links to tutorials regarding fluid web design?
>
> www.bdpcsvc.com

Did you look at the response I posted to your last query in
alt.html.critique? The evils of multi-posting are evident here.

If you don't want to use any of the templates people have already
pointed you to, you can at least study them to see how it's done. Maybe
you'll run into one with a tolerable color scheme, too.

--
Berg

BD PC Services

2007-07-07, 10:15 pm

On Jul 7, 7:36 pm, "Chris F.A. Johnson" <cfajohn...@XXXXXXXXXX> wrote:
> On 2007-07-07, BD PC Services wrote:
>
>
>
> You didn't do anything about the cause of the problem: absolute
> positioning. Take a look at this:
>
> <http://cfaj.freeshell.org/testing/bdpc.html>
>
> --
> Chris F.A. Johnson <http://cfaj.freeshell.org>
> ===================================================================
> Author:
> Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)

Thank you. You're right I was trying to force it with the absolute
positioning. I appreciate you taking the time to make a mock-up for me
to reference.

BD PC Services

2007-07-07, 10:15 pm

On Jul 7, 7:13 pm, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
<a.nony.m...@example.invalid> wrote:
> BD PC Services wrote:
>
> http://k75s.home.att.net/show/bdpc.jpg
>
>
> Did you look at the benmeadowcroft template I posted?
>
> --
> -bts
> -Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck

I'm looking at it now. Sorry I missed it last night when you posted
it. Probably have saved myself several hours of grief.

BD PC Services

2007-07-07, 10:15 pm

On Jul 7, 8:25 pm, Bergamot <berga...@visi.com> wrote:
> BD PC Services wrote:
>
>
>
> Did you look at the response I posted to your last query in
> alt.html.critique? The evils of multi-posting are evident here.
>
> If you don't want to use any of the templates people have already
> pointed you to, you can at least study them to see how it's done. Maybe
> you'll run into one with a tolerable color scheme, too.
>
> --
> Berg

Multi-posting? I've seen my two threads (both of which started via
google groups) in two different groups. This and alt.html.critique
which I was under the (false?) impression were two distinct groups.
And I made the foolish assumption that both groups would be visited by
different members. I was not aware that they are both pretty much
"patrolled" by the same people. So yeah sorry if my posting habits
bother you or anyone else. I'm simply trying to get some help. Which
I must say has been much nicer around here dealing with website design
than trying to learn about Linux in various forums where the average
response consists of "RTFM n00b!"

And yes to answer your question I've been looking at templates. Can't
say they've helped a lot because I'm still trying to learn the what
the various properties are actually doing.

Jerry Stuckle

2007-07-07, 10:15 pm

BD PC Services wrote:
> On Jul 7, 8:25 pm, Bergamot <berga...@visi.com> wrote:
>
> Multi-posting? I've seen my two threads (both of which started via
> google groups) in two different groups. This and alt.html.critique
> which I was under the (false?) impression were two distinct groups.
> And I made the foolish assumption that both groups would be visited by
> different members. I was not aware that they are both pretty much
> "patrolled" by the same people. So yeah sorry if my posting habits
> bother you or anyone else. I'm simply trying to get some help. Which
> I must say has been much nicer around here dealing with website design
> than trying to learn about Linux in various forums where the average
> response consists of "RTFM n00b!"
>
> And yes to answer your question I've been looking at templates. Can't
> say they've helped a lot because I'm still trying to learn the what
> the various properties are actually doing.
>

First of all, not everyone is in both groups. I don't frequent
alt.html.critique, and some there don't frequent alt.www.webmasters.

But you need to learn to cross-post - not multi-post. Using a poor
excuse for a usenet interface like Google Groups is no excuse for plain
bad manners.

If you want to post the same message to multiple groups, learn to
cross-post. Otherwise, soon you'll find none of your posts get answers.

--
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================

BD PC Services

2007-07-08, 3:15 am

On Jul 7, 9:36 pm, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attglobal.net> wrote:
> BD PC Services wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> First of all, not everyone is in both groups. I don't frequent
> alt.html.critique, and some there don't frequent alt.www.webmasters.
>
> But you need to learn to cross-post - not multi-post. Using a poor
> excuse for a usenet interface like Google Groups is no excuse for plain
> bad manners.
>
> If you want to post the same message to multiple groups, learn to
> cross-post. Otherwise, soon you'll find none of your posts get answers.
>
> --
> ==================
> Remove the "x" from my email address
> Jerry Stuckle
> JDS Computer Training Corp.
> jstuck...@attglobal.net
> ==================

I've already apologized for posting in a manner which seems to cause
some people a great deal of grief. However, do not chastise me about
"bad manners" as it is a very poor showing on any forums to drag the
discussion off topic.

To all who have been helpful, thank you. If anyone has any more
feedback regarding the website it is welcome. If you are just going
to complain about how someone posts don't bother.

Jerry Stuckle

2007-07-08, 6:17 pm

BD PC Services wrote:
> On Jul 7, 9:36 pm, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attglobal.net> wrote:
>
> I've already apologized for posting in a manner which seems to cause
> some people a great deal of grief. However, do not chastise me about
> "bad manners" as it is a very poor showing on any forums to drag the
> discussion off topic.
>
> To all who have been helpful, thank you. If anyone has any more
> feedback regarding the website it is welcome. If you are just going
> to complain about how someone posts don't bother.
>

Typical google grouper...

You're 'apology' sounded somewhat sarcastic. But that's beside the
point, anyway.

I was just trying to clear up an obvious misconception you have (that
the same people frequent both groups) and suggest how you can do it
better in the future.

But if you want to keep this attitude up, you can forget about getting
help in the future. People won't be willing to respond to your posts.

--
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================

John Hosking

2007-07-08, 6:17 pm

Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> BD PC Services wrote:

[snippage]
[color=darkred]

BergSig untrimmed by BD, Jerry, and BD (and now me) in sequence.
[color=darkred]

etc. [old text, previously untrimmed]
[color=darkred]

Long sig above untrimmed by BD and then by Jerry (and now by me).
[color=darkred]
>
> Typical google grouper...

[...trimmage...]
>
> But if you want to keep this attitude up, you can forget about getting
> help in the future. People won't be willing to respond to your posts.
>

Jerry, could I just butt in here and ask you a favor? You know, since
we're difting into the area of netiquette again...

If you're going to get tangled up in arguments with folks including (and
especially) GGers who don't know any better, could *you* at least do
some trimming of the posts? Your sig in particular really sticks out
when GGers or others fail to trim it, and it really sticks in the eye.
But the gory details (entrails?) of long arguments don't usually need to
be re-re-reposted. Looks bad when we're trying to train the noobs. :-)

--
John
Still pondering the value of the UIP:http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html

BD PC Services

2007-07-08, 6:17 pm

On Jul 8, 10:18 am, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attglobal.net> wrote:

> But if you want to keep this attitude up, you can forget about getting
> help in the future. People won't be willing to respond to your posts.

Then I suppose I'll not have to worry about asking you for help, huh?
The internet is a pretty big place I'm sure I'm bound to run across a
few people who are willing to respond to my posts.

Does anyone have anymore feedback on the website? www.bdpcsvc.com.
I've validated the markup and the CSS using strict doc type
standards. Only thing not validating that I've seen is in the CSS
I've used English names for colors instead of the RGB values. Does
this make a difference or is it just a technicality? Obviously
layout, and design/color could use a bit of help, imo.

Matt-the-Hoople

2007-07-08, 6:17 pm

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On 08 Jul 2007, BD PC Services barged into alt.www.webmaster and uttered:

> Does anyone have anymore feedback on the website?

Muuuuch better!!! You're learning. :-)

FWIW - all of the positioning seems to be behaving (at least in FF and
Opera), and the navigation is simple and straight forward. One can
hardly ask for more. The color scheme is a little funky, but so what?
As you go along, things will no doubt improve.

O(ther) T: I've never used GoogleGroups, so I don't know what it's UI is
like, but you'll probably find that it's worthwhile (and much easier) to
get a real news reader[1] and access usenet directly through your ISP. In
fact, Outlook Distress supports NNTP. You're up in Beverly, so I assume
you're with either Comcast, Verizon or RCN. All of them offer NNTP
services.

[1]Xnews - http://xnews.newsguy.com/ (free)

Don't sweat us cranky folks. We've just been perusing Usenet for many
years, and we're set in our ways. :-)

Good luck with the site.

--
# Matt Lindi
# matt.lindi2@_your_clothes_verizon.net
# remove _your_clothes_ when emailing me

# d o n ' t b e l i e v e e v e r y t h i n g y o u t h i n k

paul watt

2007-07-08, 6:17 pm

"BD PC Services" <b.durant@bdpcsvc.com> wrote in message
news:1183908765.858021.258660@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 8, 10:18 am, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
> Then I suppose I'll not have to worry about asking you for help, huh?
> The internet is a pretty big place I'm sure I'm bound to run across a
> few people who are willing to respond to my posts.
>
> Does anyone have anymore feedback on the website? www.bdpcsvc.com.
> I've validated the markup and the CSS using strict doc type
> standards. Only thing not validating that I've seen is in the CSS
> I've used English names for colors instead of the RGB values. Does
> this make a difference or is it just a technicality? Obviously
> layout, and design/color could use a bit of help, imo.
>

Glad to see you've dumped comic sans serif. One thing i've noticed is your
footer seems to jump around a bit, especially when hovering over your links.
I'm using IE7 on xp pro sp2 btw

--
Paul Watt

http://www.paulwattdesigns.com

Blinky the Shark

2007-07-08, 6:17 pm

Matt-the-Hoople wrote:
> On 08 Jul 2007, BD PC Services barged into alt.www.webmaster and uttered:
>
>
> Muuuuch better!!! You're learning. :-)
>
> FWIW - all of the positioning seems to be behaving (at least in FF and
> Opera), and the navigation is simple and straight forward. One can
> hardly ask for more. The color scheme is a little funky, but so what?
> As you go along, things will no doubt improve.
>
> O(ther) T: I've never used GoogleGroups, so I don't know what it's UI is
> like, but you'll probably find that it's worthwhile (and much easier) to
> get a real news reader[1] and access usenet directly through your ISP. In
> fact, Outlook Distress supports NNTP. You're up in Beverly, so I assume
> you're with either Comcast, Verizon or RCN. All of them offer NNTP
> services.

And if they didn't, so what? ISP feeds usually suck anyway. Better to
use a non-ISP feed.

--
Blinky RLU 297263
Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project: http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html

BD PC Services

2007-07-08, 6:17 pm

On Jul 8, 3:04 pm, "paul watt" <p...@NOSPAMpaulwatt.info> wrote:
> "BD PC Services" <b.dur...@bdpcsvc.com> wrote in messagenews:1183908765.858021.258660@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Glad to see you've dumped comic sans serif. One thing i've noticed is your
> footer seems to jump around a bit, especially when hovering over your links.
> I'm using IE7 on xp pro sp2 btw
>
> --
> Paul Watt
>
> http://www.paulwattdesigns.com

I noticed that too when I've been editing in Coffee Cup HTML free
editor in the preview mode. When I put it in the live browser both IE
7.0 and FF 2.0 it doesn't bounce around. Not sure what could be
causing it. I'm using Vista not XP pro on this laptop.

freemont

2007-07-08, 6:17 pm

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 08:32:45 -0700, BD PC Services writ:

> Does anyone have anymore feedback on the website? www.bdpcsvc.com.
> I've validated the markup and the CSS using strict doc type
> standards. Only thing not validating that I've seen is in the CSS
> I've used English names for colors instead of the RGB values. Does
> this make a difference or is it just a technicality? Obviously
> layout, and design/color could use a bit of help, imo.

First thing I'd do is seperate the css into a seperate file and call it
from each page. This will make the difference between changing, say, a bg
color by changing *one* file or changing *every* file. Working with what
you've got would drive me insane.

When choosing colors you may find this of use:

<http://tinyurl.com/ywvqmq>

Non-designers like myself find tools like this invaluable. Your site
shouldn't look like an ice cream cone. ;-)

You should also get in the habit of using hex instead of color names.

On the pages with the lists, you could put that info into definition lists
instead, since that's kinda what they are anyway. Like this:

<http://tinyurl.com/2awmg8>

This would also format them nicely. You could style your <dt>s as bold to
get rid of all those <strong>s. Also, another thing I notice - where you
have:

<div class="footer">
<address>etc</address>
</div>

Why not just, <address class="footer">? ;-) Actually that should use id
since it presumably will be used only once per page.

I wouldn't underline things that aren't links if it's not necessary.

For a site like this, fluid layout isn't the ONLY way to go. Use fixed
width if it makes things easier for you IMO. You can always make a
seperate stylesheet for PDAs or phones if that's important to you.

Hope this is of some use.

--
"Because all you of Earth are idiots!"
¯`·..·¯`·-> freemont <-·¯`·..·¯

BD PC Services

2007-07-09, 3:16 am

On Jul 8, 4:27 pm, freemont <freem...@spammenotfreemontsoffice.com>
wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 08:32:45 -0700, BD PC Services writ:
>
>
> First thing I'd do is seperate the css into a seperate file and call it
> from each page. This will make the difference between changing, say, a bg
> color by changing *one* file or changing *every* file. Working with what
> you've got would drive me insane.

Agreed and done. CSS is now called externally.

> When choosing colors you may find this of use:
>
> <http://tinyurl.com/ywvqmq>
>
> Non-designers like myself find tools like this invaluable. Your site
> shouldn't look like an ice cream cone. ;-)

I hear ya.

> You should also get in the habit of using hex instead of color names.
>
> On the pages with the lists, you could put that info into definition lists
> instead, since that's kinda what they are anyway. Like this:
>
> <http://tinyurl.com/2awmg8>

Done.

> This would also format them nicely. You could style your <dt>s as bold to
> get rid of all those <strong>s. Also, another thing I notice - where you
> have:

Missed that, maybe tomorrow when I correct all the problems everyone
finds on the "new" version.

> <div class=3D"footer">
> <address>etc</address>
> </div>
>
> Why not just, <address class=3D"footer">? ;-) Actually that should use id
> since it presumably will be used only once per page.

I'll have to look into that to see how to accomplish it. My web design
career has spanned all of about 7 days now. Give or take.

> I wouldn't underline things that aren't links if it's not necessary.
>
> For a site like this, fluid layout isn't the ONLY way to go. Use fixed
> width if it makes things easier for you IMO. You can always make a
> seperate stylesheet for PDAs or phones if that's important to you.
>
> Hope this is of some use.

Very useful as always I do appreciate the feedback.

Anyone else have anything more to add?

www.bdpcsvc.com

> --
> "Because all you of Earth are idiots!"
> =AF`=B7..=B7=AF`=B7-> freemont <-=B7=AF`=B7..=B7=AF

jerry gitomer

2007-07-09, 3:16 am

BD PC Services wrote:
> On Jul 8, 4:27 pm, freemont <freem...@spammenotfreemontsoffice.com>
> wrote:
>
> Agreed and done. CSS is now called externally.
>
>
> I hear ya.
>
>
> Done.
>
>
> Missed that, maybe tomorrow when I correct all the problems everyone
> finds on the "new" version.
>
>
> I'll have to look into that to see how to accomplish it. My web design
> career has spanned all of about 7 days now. Give or take.
>
>
> Very useful as always I do appreciate the feedback.
>
> Anyone else have anything more to add?
>
> www.bdpcsvc.com
>
>
>
Your site is looking good!

The only suggestion I have is to dump the RED headings. Being
an older viewer I find them difficult to read and would much
prefer that you use either the blue you are using against the
white backgroun in the text or the same color you are using for
your page heads.

HTH

Jerry

BD PC Services

2007-07-09, 3:16 am

On Jul 8, 11:42 pm, jerry gitomer <jgito...@verizon.net> wrote:
> BD PC Services wrote:
>
bg[color=darkred]
at[color=darkred]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
ists[color=darkred]
>
>
>
to[color=darkred]
ou[color=darkred]
>
>
>
e id[color=darkred]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your site is looking good!
>
> The only suggestion I have is to dump the RED headings. Being
> an older viewer I find them difficult to read and would much
> prefer that you use either the blue you are using against the
> white backgroun in the text or the same color you are using for
> your page heads.
>
> HTH
>
> Jerry

I was thinking the same thing about the red. Although I attribute the
problem to shoddy monitor outputs and NOT age :p

Thanks for the feedback. I will look into changing it.

2007-07-09, 3:16 am

"BD PC Services" <b.durant@bdpcsvc.com> wrote in message
news:1183953704.484342.164810@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 8, 11:42 pm, jerry gitomer <jgito...@verizon.net> wrote:

> The only suggestion I have is to dump the RED headings. Being
> an older viewer I find them difficult to read and would much
> prefer that you use either the blue you are using against the
> white backgroun in the text or the same color you are using for
> your page heads.
>
I was thinking the same thing about the red. Although I attribute the
problem to shoddy monitor outputs and NOT age :p

You may care to visit this:
http://colorfilter.wickline.org/?a=...bdpcsvc.com;t=p

(watch the wrap, if you like you can go to the entry page,
http://colorfilter.wickline.org/ and type in your URL).

This site gives you an indication of what your page looks like to somebody
with various kinds of colour blindness.

The default I used, red/green, where your viewer has no red cones, results
in not red on gray but some sort of dirty greyish brown on grey. Totally
unreadable :-( You can play with this and explore the other sorts of colour
blindness.

Remmember, a very significant percentage (3% IIRC) of the male population
have this form of colour blindness. Excluding them is equivalent to turning
your server off for eleven days per year, and is also illegal in .au but I
don't wish to start *that* debate again :-)

--
Richard.

BD PC Services

2007-07-09, 3:16 am

On Jul 9, 1:45 am, "rf" <r...@invalid.com> wrote:
> "BD PC Services" <b.dur...@bdpcsvc.com> wrote in messagenews:1183953704.484342.164810@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 8, 11:42 pm, jerry gitomer <jgito...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
> I was thinking the same thing about the red. Although I attribute the
> problem to shoddy monitor outputs and NOT age :p
>
> You may care to visit this:http://colorfilter.wickline.org/?a=...search%3Fnum...
>
> (watch the wrap, if you like you can go to the entry page,http://colorfilter.wickline.org/and type in your URL).
>
> This site gives you an indication of what your page looks like to somebody
> with various kinds of colour blindness.
>
> The default I used, red/green, where your viewer has no red cones, results
> in not red on gray but some sort of dirty greyish brown on grey. Totally
> unreadable :-( You can play with this and explore the other sorts of colour
> blindness.
>
> Remmember, a very significant percentage (3% IIRC) of the male population
> have this form of colour blindness. Excluding them is equivalent to turning
> your server off for eleven days per year, and is also illegal in .au but I
> don't wish to start *that* debate again :-)
>
> --
> Richard.

Interesting. I'll be bookmarking that tool. I changed the color
already to skyblue and I think it shows up pretty well.

2007-07-09, 3:16 am

"BD PC Services" <b.durant@bdpcsvc.com> wrote in message
news:1183961143.909080.280680@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 9, 1:45 am, "rf" <r...@invalid.com> wrote:

[color=darkred]
> Interesting. I'll be bookmarking that tool. I changed the color
> already to skyblue and I think it shows up pretty well.

That's good, to know you changed it I mean. I thought for a minute I was
going crazy when I went back to play and the nasty grey brown was suddenly
sky blue ;-)

--
Richard.

Bergamot

2007-07-09, 10:18 pm

freemont wrote:
>
> Why not just, <address class="footer">? ;-) Actually that should use id
> since it presumably will be used only once per page.

That's not really a valid reason to use id instead of class. How many
times it's used on a page isn't relevant. What is relevant is if you're
doing some manipulation in JavaScript and need to reference that element
specifically.

Otherwise, class will do just as well as id.

> I wouldn't underline things that aren't links if it's not necessary.

From a usability standpoint, I'd say "must not" rather than "should not".

--
Berg

Matt-the-Hoople

2007-07-09, 10:18 pm

On 08 Jul 2007, Blinky the Shark barged into alt.www.webmaster and uttered:

> And if they didn't, so what? ISP feeds usually suck anyway. Better to
> use a non-ISP feed.

Aye, that they do. However, not everyone is as enthusiastic a usenetter as
some of us can be. ISP feeds are a damn sight better than GG. ;-)

--
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# matt.lindi2@_your_clothes_verizon.net
# remove _your_clothes_ when emailing me

# d o n ' t b e l i e v e e v e r y t h i n g y o u t h i n k

Bergamot

2007-07-09, 10:18 pm

Matt-the-Hoople wrote:
> On 08 Jul 2007, Blinky the Shark barged into alt.www.webmaster and uttered:
>
>
> ISP feeds are a damn sight better than GG. ;-)

Better than any ISP or GG: news.individual.net

--
Berg

Blinky the Shark

2007-07-09, 10:18 pm

Matt-the-Hoople wrote:
> On 08 Jul 2007, Blinky the Shark barged into alt.www.webmaster and uttered:
>
>
> Aye, that they do. However, not everyone is as enthusiastic a usenetter as
> some of us can be. ISP feeds are a damn sight better than GG. ;-)

Two tin cans and a string are better than GG.

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Blinky the Shark

2007-07-09, 10:18 pm

Bergamot wrote:
> Matt-the-Hoople wrote:
>
> Better than any ISP or GG: news.individual.net

I've used it for years under its present and former name. Couldn't be
happier. About a US buck a month. If you can't afford that you can't
afford electricity to run your computer.

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John Hosking

2007-07-09, 10:18 pm

Blinky the Shark wrote:
> Matt-the-Hoople wrote:

>
> Two tin cans and a string are better than GG.

Doesn't hurt if the cans are full of cold beer, too. :-)

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Blinky the Shark

2007-07-09, 10:18 pm

John Hosking wrote:
> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>
>
> Doesn't hurt if the cans are full of cold beer, too. :-)

Aye!

Let's settle on the best being cold beer and a real Usenet client. :)

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2007-07-09, 10:18 pm

"Blinky the Shark" <no.spam@box.invalid> wrote in message
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> John Hosking wrote:
>
> Aye!
>
> Let's settle on the best being cold beer and a real Usenet client. :)

And after a while one does not need the Usenet client.

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Richard.

Chris F.A. Johnson

2007-07-10, 6:16 am

On 2007-07-10, Blinky the Shark wrote:
> John Hosking wrote:
>
> Aye!
>
> Let's settle on the best being cold beer and a real Usenet client. :)

Nonsense. If the beer is too cold you can't taste it: Cool beer and
a real Usenet client.

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GreyWyvern

2007-07-11, 3:17 am

And lo, Blinky the Shark didst speak in alt.www.webmaster:

> Bergamot wrote:
>
>
> I've used it for years under its present and former name. Couldn't be
> happier. About a US buck a month. If you can't afford that you can't
> afford electricity to run your computer.

What if you can't afford both at the same time? ;)

Grey

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Blinky the Shark

2007-07-11, 3:17 am

Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:
> On 2007-07-10, Blinky the Shark wrote:
>
> Nonsense. If the beer is too cold you can't taste it: Cool beer and
> a real Usenet client.

When it's 107F here, I want *cold* flippin' beer. :)

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Blinky the Shark

2007-07-11, 3:17 am

GreyWyvern wrote:
> And lo, Blinky the Shark didst speak in alt.www.webmaster:
>
>
> What if you can't afford both at the same time? ;)

Then you also can't afford the electricity to run your computer.

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Mark

2007-07-18, 3:20 am

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"bookemdanno_98" <dtyler1@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1182971058.224979.123980@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 23, 10:42 pm, "Mark" <m...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> I just built a new ecommerce site using NVU this month. It was my
> first try and I like the results. NVU is a quick WYSIWYG editor to
> learn with great online support. It writes clean code that downloads
> fast. I tried another WYSIWYG editor from a hosting company and the
> site didn't look anything like it did on the editor. Although it
> doesn't have templates, it does make a designing a clean, orginal
> website easy. If you get stuck anywhere along the way drop me line,
> I'd be happy to help. Take a look at the site I designed with NVU:
> http://www.booklamps.com It's a simple but easy follow website that
> sells reading lamps and book lights. If you or anyone in the group
> here has feedback please send it along. -Dan

Thanks, Dan, and everyone else.

I am just working with NVU now. It's not hard to use once you learn the
functions. But I'll keep you in mind if I need a contact to help me work
through any problems I come to.

I have also been looking at website templates. I downloaded a few. Some of
them are very slick and professional looking. Once I figure out the format
of how to use them, and add title and other tags, life should be grand, uh
huh...

By the way, how is your website doing for business?

We should be up and running with our site this September. I am sure any
other sites we put up should go faster than this first one, I hope.

Mark.

galatrons@googlemail.com

2007-07-27, 10:17 pm

On 6 Jul, 01:36, BD PC Services <b.dur...@bdpcsvc.com> wrote:
> Recently I decided to buildmyownwebsiteformybusiness due to it
> (the business) expanding. I jumped right in figuring that it would be
> fairly simple after all I fix computers, handle networking, and even
> trymyhand at some amateur c type coding.
>
> Myproblem is that I just don't seem to have an eye for design. The
> coding is no problem as most is done in either Coffee Cup or notepad,
> but I can't seem to get things going how I want them, or more
> importantly in a way that would be pleasing to customers and helpmy
> conversion rate. If you folks could take a look atmysite and
> provide some feedback I would be very grateful.
>
> http://www.bdpcsvc.com
>
> Thanks!

Umbrella do a good website building software and its cheap they can
advise you on design SEO and web copy they are good, should check them
out at http://www.umbrellawebsitedesign.co.uk/web_b.html