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| skieros 2007-04-19, 6:17 am |
| Hello folks,
I'm thinking to start a web design + domain registration +
hosting company on my own and i want to ask you if you know where can
i find reliable an very cheap servers for rent.
Perhaps some of you may rent too.
Thank you.
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| Chaddy2222 2007-04-19, 6:17 am |
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"skieros" <nikos1337@XXXXXXXXXX> wrote in message
news:1176967507.392018.169140@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> Hello folks,
>
> I'm thinking to start a web design + domain registration +
> hosting company on my own and i want to ask you if you know where can
> i find reliable an very cheap servers for rent.
> Perhaps some of you may rent too.
>
> Thank you.
>
You won't find a dedicated server for under $200 a month.
Oh and for that price it will be an un-managed server, depending on who you
host with.
You will also need to know a lot about this stuff if you want to start your
own company.
You will need to know items such as HTML +PHP or some other language + CSS +
graphic design.
Not to mention a whole pile of other things, includeing server
administration.
Personally I would choose one or the other.
--
Regards Chad.
http://freewebdesign.cjb.cc
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| skieros 2007-04-19, 10:17 pm |
| On Apr 19, 11:53 am, "Chaddy2222" <m...@me.me> wrote:
> "skieros" <nikos1...@XXXXXXXXXX> wrote in message
>
> news:1176967507.392018.169140@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...> Hello folks,
>
>
>
> You won't find a dedicated server for under $200 a month.
> Oh and for that price it will be an un-managed server, depending on who you
> host with.
> You will also need to know a lot about this stuff if you want to start your
> own company.
> You will need to know items such as HTML +PHP or some other language + CSS +
> graphic design.
> Not to mention a whole pile of other things, includeing server
> administration.
> Personally I would choose one or the other.
> --
> Regards Chad.http://freewebdesign.cjb.cc
What about a VPS?
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| Matt Probert 2007-04-19, 10:17 pm |
| On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:53:01 GMT, "Chaddy2222" <me@me.me> wrote:
>
>
>"skieros" <nikos1337@XXXXXXXXXX> wrote in message
>news:1176967507.392018.169140@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>You won't find a dedicated server for under $200 a month.
Er, don't tell the company that rent me one for $99 a month <bg>
(that'll be http://www.tera-byte.com)
Matt
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| Beauregard T. Shagnasty 2007-04-19, 10:17 pm |
| Matt Probert wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:53:01 GMT, "Chaddy2222" <me@me.me> wrote:
>
> Er, don't tell the company that rent me one for $99 a month <bg>
I'll wager that the $200 would be Chaddy's dollars, not US dollars,
which would be about the same as your $99US.
(Hint: AU)
--
-bts
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck
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| SpaceGirl 2007-04-19, 10:17 pm |
| On Apr 19, 9:53 am, "Chaddy2222" <m...@me.me> wrote:
> "skieros" <nikos1...@XXXXXXXXXX> wrote in message
>
> news:1176967507.392018.169140@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...> Hello folks,
>
>
>
> You won't find a dedicated server for under $200 a month.
> Oh and for that price it will be an un-managed server, depending on who you
> host with.
> You will also need to know a lot about this stuff if you want to start your
> own company.
> You will need to know items such as HTML +PHP or some other language + CSS +
> graphic design.
> Not to mention a whole pile of other things, includeing server
> administration.
> Personally I would choose one or the other.
> --
> Regards Chad.http://freewebdesign.cjb.cc
Yes you will. I pay $180 per month per server at www.sagonet.com for a
3Ghz Dell Xeon dedicated server, 2 x 160gb disks, 1Gb RAM, 2Tb traffic
per month running Windows Server 2003.
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| skieros 2007-04-19, 10:17 pm |
| On Apr 19, 6:01 pm, SpaceGirl <nothespacegirls...@subhuman.net> wrote:
> Yes you will. I pay $180 per month per server atwww.sagonet.comfor a
> 3Ghz Dell Xeon dedicated server, 2 x 160gb disks, 1Gb RAM, 2Tb traffic
> per month running Windows Server 2003.
Well is there a cheap solution for me?
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| Chaddy2222 2007-04-19, 10:17 pm |
|
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> Matt Probert wrote:
>
>
> I'll wager that the $200 would be Chaddy's dollars, not US dollars,
> which would be about the same as your $99US.
>
> (Hint: AU)
>
That would be correct. Mind you I could get a VPS for around Aus $60
per month, but I am quite happy with my shared hosting at the
moment.
--
Regards Chad. http://freewebdesign.cjb.cc
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| skieros 2007-04-19, 10:17 pm |
| On Apr 19, 6:08 pm, Chaddy2222 <spamlovermailbox-
sicur...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> That would be correct. Mind you I could get a VPS for around Aus $60
> per month, but I am quite happy with my shared hosting at the
> moment.
> --
> Regards Chad.http://freewebdesign.cjb.cc
Wahts the diffence betwwen ese 4 things.
a) dedicater server
b) reseller server
c) VPS
d) Shared hosting
please expain...i got quite confused.
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| Chaddy2222 2007-04-19, 10:17 pm |
|
skieros wrote:
> On Apr 19, 6:08 pm, Chaddy2222 <spamlovermailbox-
> sicur...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> Wahts the diffence betwwen ese 4 things.
>
> a) dedicater server
That's where an organisation rents you a server for you to host your
sites on.
> b) reseller server
That's where you can re-sell other hosting.
> c) VPS
> d) Shared hosting
>
> please expain...i got quite confused.
Google is your friend.
--
Regards Chad. http://freewebdesign.cjb.cc
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| Scott Bryce 2007-04-19, 10:18 pm |
| skieros wrote:
> Hello folks,
>
> I'm thinking to start a web design + domain registration +
> hosting company on my own
The questions you are asking here and on another newsgroup don't give me
a lot of confidence in your skills. Are you sure you have the know-how
to do this?
> and i want to ask you if you know where can
> i find reliable an very cheap servers for rent.
You may have to choose between reliable and cheap.
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| Carole 2007-04-19, 10:18 pm |
| skieros wrote:
> On Apr 19, 6:01 pm, SpaceGirl <nothespacegirls...@subhuman.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Well is there a cheap solution for me?
>
Check out http://www.websitesource.com
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| skieros 2007-04-19, 10:18 pm |
| On Apr 19, 7:36 pm, Chaddy2222 <spamlovermailbox-
sicur...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> skieros wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> That's where an organisation rents you a server for you to host your
> sites on.
An unattended one?
>
>
> That's where you can re-sell other hosting.
Which means?
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| Beauregard T. Shagnasty 2007-04-19, 10:18 pm |
| skieros wrote:
> On Apr 19, 7:36 pm, Chaddy2222 wrote:
>
> An unattended one?
The server farm is responsible for keeping it powered, and connected to
the pipe to the internet. You're responsible for everything else.
>
> Which means?
Your response reminds me of the old adage, "If you have to ask how much
it costs, you can't afford it." <lol>
--
-bts
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck
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| skieros 2007-04-19, 10:18 pm |
| On Apr 19, 10:23 pm, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
<a.nony.m...@example.invalid> wrote:
> skieros wrote:
>
>
>
> The server farm is responsible for keeping it powered, and connected to
> the pipe to the internet. You're responsible for everything else.
>
maybe resller then means dedicated + help on management(backups,
support) ?
[color=darkred]
> Your response reminds me of the old adage, "If you have to ask how much
> it costs, you can't afford it." <lol>
loool indeed!
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| Bergamot 2007-04-19, 10:18 pm |
| skieros wrote:
>
> maybe resller then means dedicated + help on management(backups,
> support) ?
No, it's unlikely a dedicated server.
Reseller is just a hosting account that lets you host multiple domains.
You can sell hosting services to your clients (that's the reseller
part), then their domains are hosted under your account. Like a sub-let.
You will probably be on a server shared with other resellers. The
hosting service manages the server, so you don't have to do any server
admin, just manage the domains that you host there. The hosting service
doesn't deal with your client support issues directly, either. Clients
go through you for all support issues, and you get support from the
hosting service.
--
Berg
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| Tom Miller 2007-04-19, 10:18 pm |
| I'm thinking to start a web design + domain registration +
> hosting company on my own and i want to ask you if you know where can
If your looking for a good book that covers many of the topics your raising
here let me recommend a book called "How to Start a Home-based Web Design
Business" 2nd Edition by Jim Smith. Published by "The Globe Pequot Press" in
Guilford, CT(USA). Isbn:0-7627-2789-6 for $17.95(USD).
He covers a "host" (sorry ;-) of business issues (like what other services
to offer) besides web design/web development. He talks about re-selling
host services. The book is a good starting place for a one-person business.
Its not a heavy web-design book, its a startup business book in the web
design business. It has many good pointers to design/development resources.
A few of the links are gone but most are still accurate as of 3 weeks ago.
The book has some good role descriptions as well as a "how are you at" test
to help someone see if they can make a go at the business/sales/marketing
side as well as the graphical design/programing sides. And he makes a good
case for you not having to do it all to still be sucessfull (Thats what
sub-contractors are for).
Hope this helps,
Tom
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| SpaceGirl 2007-04-20, 6:18 am |
| On Apr 19, 4:05 pm, skieros <nikos1...@XXXXXXXXXX> wrote:
> On Apr 19, 6:01 pm, SpaceGirl <nothespacegirls...@subhuman.net> wrote:
>
>
> Well is there a cheap solution for me?
They have several budget options, starting at below $100 I think (for
Linux rather than Windows). Check out their site.
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| skieros 2007-04-20, 6:17 pm |
| On Apr 19, 11:42 pm, Bergamot <berga...@visi.com> wrote:
> Reseller is just a hosting account that lets you host multiple domains.
> You can sell hosting services to your clients (that's the reseller
> part), then their domains are hosted under your account. Like a sub-let.
So if i undestood this correctly reseller means, there is 1 server
that suppors php,perl,apche,mysql and stuff and many people like me
open each one of them their hosting accout on that server and by their
turn they manage their customers domain names + site hosting. All this
in 1 server, which means they actually sharing the same server but
under different accouns?
Correct? And the differcne with a dedicate server is that the
dedicated one is 1 server that only belongs to one person that do all
the management on hiw own?
c) Also how is it posbile to host multiple domain under oen signle
account? Doesnt each domain needs a different ip addres?
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| skieros 2007-04-20, 6:17 pm |
| On Apr 20, 2:20 am, "Tom Miller" <tlgalen...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'm thinking to start a web design + domain registration +
>
>
> If your looking for a good book that covers many of the topics your raising
> here let me recommend a book called "How to Start a Home-based Web Design
> Business" 2nd Edition by Jim Smith. Published by "The Globe Pequot Press" in
> Guilford, CT(USA). Isbn:0-7627-2789-6 for $17.95(USD).
>
> He covers a "host" (sorry ;-) of business issues (like what other services
> to offer) besides web design/web development. He talks about re-selling
> host services. The book is a good starting place for a one-person business.
> Its not a heavy web-design book, its a startup business book in the web
> design business. It has many good pointers to design/development resources.
> A few of the links are gone but most are still accurate as of 3 weeks ago.
>
> The book has some good role descriptions as well as a "how are you at" test
> to help someone see if they can make a go at the business/sales/marketing
> side as well as the graphical design/programing sides. And he makes a good
> case for you not having to do it all to still be sucessfull (Thats what
> sub-contractors are for).
>
> Hope this helps,
Tanks Tom ill seriosuly considering bying it.
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| Ed Jay 2007-04-20, 6:17 pm |
| skieros scribed:
>On Apr 19, 11:42 pm, Bergamot <berga...@visi.com> wrote:
>
>
>So if i undestood this correctly reseller means, there is 1 server
>that suppors php,perl,apche,mysql and stuff and many people like me
>open each one of them their hosting accout on that server and by their
>turn they manage their customers domain names + site hosting. All this
>in 1 server, which means they actually sharing the same server but
>under different accouns?
Correct.
>
>Correct? And the differcne with a dedicate server is that the
>dedicated one is 1 server that only belongs to one person that do all
>the management on hiw own?
Correct.
>
>c) Also how is it posbile to host multiple domain under oen signle
>account? Doesnt each domain needs a different ip addres?
>
'Filter' on domain name. The server knows where the domain is located. All
domains have the same IP addy. Think of the IP as the master set and the
domains as subsets of the IP.
In your search for a solution, you might take a look at beachcomber.net.
As far as your seeking a dedicated server (or VPS) you probably don't want a
reseller account. I can't think of any benefit to a single domain paying the
extra money.
--
Ed Jay (remove 'M' to respond by email)
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| Scott Bryce 2007-04-20, 6:17 pm |
| skieros wrote:
> So if i undestood this correctly reseller means, there is 1 server
> that suppors php,perl,apche,mysql and stuff
The server may or may not support any of those features. Many (most?)
will, but you will have to determine what your needs are and compare
that to what a host offers.
> and many people like me
> open each one of them their hosting accout on that server and by their
> turn they manage their customers domain names + site hosting. All this
> in 1 server, which means they actually sharing the same server but
> under different accouns?
Yes.
> Correct? And the differcne with a dedicate server is that the
> dedicated one is 1 server that only belongs to one person that do all
> the management on hiw own?
The physical server belongs to the company that rents it out. They rent
the entire server to one person/company/entity.
> c) Also how is it posbile to host multiple domain under oen signle
> account? Doesnt each domain needs a different ip addres?
Not every site needs its own IP address.
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| Scott Bryce 2007-04-20, 6:17 pm |
| Ed Jay wrote:
> As far as your seeking a dedicated server (or VPS) you probably don't
> want a reseller account. I can't think of any benefit to a single
> domain paying the extra money.
Judging by the questions the OP is asking here and in another newsgroup,
I am not predicting success for his venture. I would suggest he start
small. A reseller's account should suit him fine for a while.
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| Ed Jay 2007-04-20, 6:17 pm |
| Scott Bryce scribed:
>Ed Jay wrote:
>
>
>Judging by the questions the OP is asking here and in another newsgroup,
>I am not predicting success for his venture. I would suggest he start
>small. A reseller's account should suit him fine for a while.
For some reason, I'm of the opinion that he has only one domain.
One thing is for sure...his server side scripts won't be in Perl. :-)
--
Ed Jay (remove 'M' to respond by email)
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| Matt Probert 2007-04-20, 6:17 pm |
| On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:42:59 -0700, Ed Jay <edMbj@aes-intl.com> wrote:
>Scott Bryce scribed:
>
>
>For some reason, I'm of the opinion that he has only one domain.
He says he wants to start a web hosting business!
>
>One thing is for sure...his server side scripts won't be in Perl. :-)
Another for sure is his customers would be insane to use him!
Matt
--
The Probert Encyclopaedia
Reliable, accountable, data for serious researchers
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| Bergamot 2007-04-20, 10:18 pm |
| skieros wrote:
>
> how is it posbile to host multiple domain under oen signle
> account?
Magic. :)
> Doesnt each domain needs a different ip addres?
If every domain needed a separate IP address, we would have run out of
numbers years ago. Most web sites are on shared servers, using
name-based routing. You don't need a unique IP address unless you need
secure server processing. SSL requires a static IP.
--
Berg
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| skieros 2007-04-21, 6:15 am |
| On Apr 20, 6:40 pm, Scott Bryce <sbr...@scottbryce.com> wrote:
> Ed Jay wrote:
>
> Judging by the questions the OP is asking here and in another newsgroup,
> I am not predicting success for his venture. I would suggest he start
> small. A reseller's account should suit him fine for a while.
A the point to make it entirely clear please i need to knwo the exact
differnece between a resseler account and a VPS server because up
until now i was under the impression that i was was referign to the
same thing.
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| skieros 2007-04-21, 6:16 am |
| On Apr 20, 6:38 pm, Scott Bryce <sbr...@scottbryce.com> wrote:
> skieros wrote:
>
> Not every site needs its own IP address.
Is ther somethign to read about how one associates domain names with 1
specific server running only in a single ip address?
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| skieros 2007-04-21, 10:16 pm |
| On Apr 20, 7:42 pm, Ed Jay <e...@aes-intl.com> wrote:
> For some reason, I'm of the opinion that he has only one domain.
3 customers so far that iam perparign their webpages and domain, i
just lack knowlege of associating them to a server under 1 ip address.
> One thing is for sure...his server side scripts won't be in Perl. :-)
Why you ebleive that, it would definately be on PERL or in php. my
entire webiste is written on perl. check nikos.no-ip.org
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| Beauregard T. Shagnasty 2007-04-21, 10:16 pm |
| skieros wrote:
> Why you ebleive that, it would definately be on PERL or in php. my
> entire webiste is written on perl. check nikos.no-ip.org
<html>
<body>
<script language=javascript>
location.href='/cgi-bin/index.pl'
</script>
</body>
</html>
Oh. JavaScript needs to be enabled!
Then it leads to a page with that twinkling star background. <lol>
I don't think you are ready for what you are asking about...
--
-bts
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck
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| Chaddy2222 2007-04-21, 10:16 pm |
| On Apr 21, 10:51 pm, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
<a.nony.m...@example.invalid> wrote:
> skieros wrote:
>
> <html>
> <body>
> <script language=javascript>
> location.href='/cgi-bin/index.pl'
> </script>
> </body>
> </html>
>
> Oh. JavaScript needs to be enabled!
>
> Then it leads to a page with that twinkling star background. <lol>
> I don't think you are ready for what you are asking about...
>
Yeah. That site was a shocker. Mind you the site Trevor made a while
back for his Foil hats was quite bad as well.
--
Regards Chad. http://freewebdesign.cjb.cc
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| Paul Watt 2007-04-21, 10:16 pm |
|
"Chaddy2222" <spamlovermailbox-sicurity@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:1177162713.278364.135130@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 21, 10:51 pm, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
> <a.nony.m...@example.invalid> wrote:
> Yeah. That site was a shocker. Mind you the site Trevor made a while
> back for his Foil hats was quite bad as well.
at least Trevor was geninuly taking the piss with his site. Skieros's site
is just bad, very bad.
--
Cheers
Paul watt
http://www.paulwattdesigns.com
http://www.amnesty.org
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| Scott Bryce 2007-04-21, 10:16 pm |
| skieros wrote:
> Is ther somethign to read about how one associates domain names with 1
> specific server running only in a single ip address?
Your web host will set that up for you. If for some reason you need to
do that yourself, you will probably have a control panel available to
you. If you want to know how to do it by hand, there is a lot more you
will need to know than just how to set up a new domain on the server.
Seriously, the questions you are asking demonstrate that you don't know
the first thing about web hosting. Maybe you should try building a few
web sites before you look for a server to build your own hosting company.
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| Scott Bryce 2007-04-21, 10:16 pm |
| skieros wrote:
> A the point to make it entirely clear please i need to knwo the exact
> differnece between a resseler account and a VPS server because up
> until now i was under the impression that i was was referign to the
> same thing.
What you need to know is how to do basic web design and development.
Anyway, your question was answered in CLPM. If you still don't
understand, Google is your friend.
Seriously, you don't have the skills necessary to start a web
development/hosting company. If you are determined to do this, start
small. Google for "reseller account" and go with whoever looks good.
A reseller account will run you about $10.00 USD per month. A VPS will
run you about $50.00 USD per month. A cheap dedicated server will cost
around $100.00 USD per month. A managed dedicated server will run you
closer to $200 USD per month. You don't have the skills or the need for
a VPS or dedicated server. If you surprise us all, and your business
succeeds, you can move your accounts to a VPS or dedicated server later.
Hopefully by then you will have learned the skills necessary to host
sites on your own server.
As far as a recommendation, I think people here are reluctant to send
you to a company with which they currently have a good relationship.
There are a lot of good hosting companies out there. Pick one. Don't pay
for a full year up front. If things work out, fine. If not, you can
always move to another web host.
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| skieros 2007-04-21, 10:16 pm |
| On Apr 21, 3:51 pm, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
<a.nony.m...@example.invalid> wrote:
> skieros wrote:
>
> <html>
> <body>
> <script language=javascript>
> location.href='/cgi-bin/index.pl'
> </script>
> </body>
> </html>
>
> Oh. JavaScript needs to be enabled!
>
> Then it leads to a page with that twinkling star background. <lol>
> I don't think you are ready for what you are asking about...
True, iam not but everythign will come up right and all things will
take their path :-)
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| skieros 2007-04-21, 10:16 pm |
| On Apr 21, 6:31 pm, Scott Bryce <sbr...@scottbryce.com> wrote:
> skieros wrote:
>
> What you need to know is how to do basic web design and development.
>
> Anyway, your question was answered in CLPM. If you still don't
> understand, Google is your friend.
>
> Seriously, you don't have the skills necessary to start a web
> development/hosting company. If you are determined to do this, start
> small. Google for "reseller account" and go with whoever looks good.
>
> A reseller account will run you about $10.00 USD per month. A VPS will
> run you about $50.00 USD per month. A cheap dedicated server will cost
> around $100.00 USD per month. A managed dedicated server will run you
> closer to $200 USD per month. You don't have the skills or the need for
> a VPS or dedicated server. If you surprise us all, and your business
> succeeds, you can move your accounts to a VPS or dedicated server later.
> Hopefully by then you will have learned the skills necessary to host
> sites on your own server.
>
> As far as a recommendation, I think people here are reluctant to send
> you to a company with which they currently have a good relationship.
> There are a lot of good hosting companies out there. Pick one. Don't pay
> for a full year up front. If things work out, fine. If not, you can
> always move to another web host.
Thank you iam determined tio succeed in thsi and i will, i alsowant to
learn how things doen and do it by hand so maybe iam thinkign to not
rent anything at all bu instead built my own server and set up things
properly. iam on 2mbit adsl with 256kbit(it will go to 1mbitsoon)
line.
My customers are also good friend of mien and they aren such
demanding.
But i certainly lack knowlege on how to perform dns/domain management,
i dont have a clue yet but i will :)
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| Ed Jay 2007-04-21, 10:16 pm |
| Paul Watt scribed:
>
>"Chaddy2222" <spamlovermailbox-sicurity@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>news:1177162713.278364.135130@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
>at least Trevor was geninuly taking the piss with his site. Skieros's site
>is just bad, very bad.
How do you know? The site was all Greek to me. ;-)
--
Ed Jay (remove 'M' to respond by email)
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| Ed Jay 2007-04-21, 10:16 pm |
| skieros scribed:
>On Apr 20, 7:42 pm, Ed Jay <e...@aes-intl.com> wrote:
>
>
> 3 customers so far that iam perparign their webpages and domain, i
>just lack knowlege of associating them to a server under 1 ip address.
>
>
>Why you ebleive that, it would definately be on PERL or in php. my
>entire webiste is written on perl. check nikos.no-ip.org
You missed the smiley. I was joking after seeing all the grief they're
throwing at you in the PERL newsgroup.
Sorry I was wrong about the one domain. Since you have only a few customers,
all you need is an inexpensive reseller account. Even with your limited
knowledge of how dns, etc., works, you shouldn't have much difficulty
setting up the multiple domains.
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Ed Jay (remove 'M' to respond by email)
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| Scott Bryce 2007-04-21, 10:16 pm |
| skieros wrote:
> i alsowant to
> learn how things doen and do it by hand so maybe iam thinkign to not
> rent anything at all bu instead built my own server and set up things
> properly. iam on 2mbit adsl with 256kbit(it will go to 1mbitsoon)
> line.
No!
This would be a HUGE mistake. What guarantee do you have that you are
able to set things up properly? You don't even know where to start!
Get a reseller account somewhere and work your way up as you learn.
> But i certainly lack knowlege on how to perform dns/domain management,
> i dont have a clue yet
OK, so do what many others do. Farm that part out to someone who does
have a clue.
Setting up your own server when you don't have a clue is opening
yourself up to some major security problems. There is a reason I leave
managing the server to someone else.
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| skieros 2007-04-21, 10:16 pm |
| On Apr 21, 8:39 pm, Ed Jay <e...@aes-intl.com> wrote:
> skieros scribed:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> You missed the smiley. I was joking after seeing all the grief they're
> throwing at you in the PERL newsgroup.
>
> Sorry I was wrong about the one domain. Since you have only a few customers,
> all you need is an inexpensive reseller account. Even with your limited
> knowledge of how dns, etc., works, you shouldn't have much difficulty
> setting up the multiple domains.
Thank you for supporting me, i really appreciate it. :-)
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| skieros 2007-04-21, 10:16 pm |
| On Apr 21, 8:53 pm, Scott Bryce <sbr...@scottbryce.com> wrote:
> skieros wrote:
>
> No!
>
> This would be a HUGE mistake. What guarantee do you have that you are
> able to set things up properly? You don't even know where to start!
>
> Get a reseller account somewhere and work your way up as you learn.
>
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>
> OK, so do what many others do. Farm that part out to someone who does
> have a clue.
>
> Setting up your own server when you don't have a clue is opening
> yourself up to some major security problems. There is a reason I leave
> managing the server to someone else.
Ok, i see, i will start with the most inexpnsisev resller accoutn ica
get and after gainign experience i ll work my way uo builting my own
linux server that will handle all those issues.
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| Ed Jay 2007-04-21, 10:16 pm |
| skieros scribed:
>On Apr 21, 8:39 pm, Ed Jay <e...@aes-intl.com> wrote:
>
>Thank you for supporting me, i really appreciate it. :-)
>
You're welcome.
>Ok, i see, i will start with the most inexpnsisev resller accoutn ica
>get and after gainign experience i ll work my way uo builting my own
>linux server that will handle all those issues.
Good move, except I bet that you'll be so happy letting someone else do the
server work that you'll never build a server. :-)
Good luck to you.
--
Ed Jay (remove 'M' to respond by email)
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| Scott Bryce 2007-04-21, 10:16 pm |
| skieros wrote:
> Ok, i see, i will start with the most inexpnsisev resller accoutn ica
> get
Inexpensive is not always the best route to go. Try to find a balance
between cost, features and reliability. Almost any CPanel reseller
account should have the features you need.
> and after gainign experience i ll work my way uo builting my own
> linux server that will handle all those issues.
If you really have a need to do so. Do what is best for business at that
point. For me it was moving to a managed VPS.
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| skieros 2007-04-21, 10:16 pm |
| On Apr 21, 10:53 pm, Ed Jay <e...@aes-intl.com> wrote:
> skieros scribed:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> You're welcome.
>
>
> Good move, except I bet that you'll be so happy letting someone else do the
> server work that you'll never build a server. :-)
>
> Good luck to you.
Thank you very much, as i am now iam thrilles to find out how to
manage a server but as time passes maybe as yous ay i find out that
this is nothing else than a tediosu task :) ill just wait and see....
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| skieros 2007-04-21, 10:16 pm |
| On Apr 21, 11:11 pm, Scott Bryce <sbr...@scottbryce.com> wrote:
> skieros wrote:
>
> Inexpensive is not always the best route to go. Try to find a balance
> between cost, features and reliability. Almost any CPanel reseller
> account should have the features you need.
>
>
> If you really have a need to do so. Do what is best for business at that
> point. For me it was moving to a managed VPS.
I see. Can you please explain to me whats the differnce of VPS server
opposed to a reseller account?
As i understand them both i beleive that is a shared server many
people use, with different accounts each and one can handle many
domains under each account.
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| Scott Bryce 2007-04-21, 10:16 pm |
| skieros wrote:
> I see. Can you please explain to me whats the differnce of VPS server
> opposed to a reseller account?
I think it has already been explained to you.
A reseller account is similar to a shared hosting account, except that
you can rent some of your resources out to others. You will have a
control panel that can be used to set up more domains, that you yourself
will manage, (The domains, not the server.) As long as you (yourself
plus your customers) don't exceed the maximum resources you are paying
for. You will share all server resources with 100 or more other
customers. Some of those customers will be resellers. Some will not be.
Some will have reseller accounts only because they need the additional
resources for their own sites. If one particular site, or a small
handful of sites, is draining resources (been there, done that) that
site will cause problems for the other sites on the server. The host may
cancel an account that uses too many resources in order to provide for
the other accounts on the same server.
In order to maximize profits, shared hosts often oversell. That is, they
rent out more resources than they actually have. They gamble on the fact
that most users will not use anything close to their maximum allowable
resources, so the total actually used is less than the total that could
potentially be used. This can create problems if several accounts on one
server actually do use their maximum resources.
A VPS is a server that is split up into several (usually not more than
10) virtual servers. The virtual servers only share the kernel of the
operating system. They each have separate HTTP servers, mysql (or other
database) servers, mail servers, FTP servers, etc. Each operate
independently of the others, except that they are on the same physical
box. One can even be re-booted independently of the others. Though
running several HTTP, mail, database, FTP, etc servers on one machine is
a bit of a drain, the small number of users on the machine more than
makes up for that.
Each user on a VPS is guaranteed a certain amount of RAM, disk space,
data transfer, CPU time, etc. Whether you use them or not, they are
yours. If you drain the resources of your VPS, the other accounts on the
physical server are not affected, though you will probably be asked to
upgrade to a VPS with fewer users and more guaranteed resources per
user. Resources guaranteed to other users may be available to you in
short bursts when they are not being used by the other accounts on your
physical server.
Users on a VPS may or may not be resellers. I am on a VPS and I am not a
reseller. I am on a VPS because my primary domain needs the guaranteed
resources. I had crashed both the mysql and FTP servers on my old shared
hosting account due to heavy traffic and a bug in two of my scripts.
With a reseller account, or other shared hosting account, the software
on the server is available to all accounts on the server, not including
the HTML pages, CGI scripts, etc that are posted in a particular user's
account. If I needed a particular PERL module installed on the server, I
contacted the host, and he installed it. That module was then available
to anyone on the server. For this reason, there are limitations on the
amount of customizing one can do in a shared hosting environment.
On a VPS, software installed on one VPS is not available to the other
VPSs on the same machine. If I need a PERL module installed, I install
it myself. Nobody else on the machine has access to that PERL module
unless they install their own copy. If you need a particular customized
configuration, you must go with a VPS or dedicated server.
I have a managed VPS. My host insures that the machine is up and running
and that any software that they provided on the machine is also up and
running. If the HTTP server goes down, they will fix it. If the mail
server goes down, they will fix it. Anything I have added to the server
is my responsibility. If I have a buggy script that is crashing the
server, that is my problem to fix. If I were on a shared host with the
same buggy script, I would be (I was) asked to move my site elsewhere,
and the account would be closed.
I have spent far too much time on this reply. I hope this answered your
question. It is late. I need to get dinner ready for my kids.
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| On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 19:16:14 -0600, Scott Bryce <sbryce@scottbryce.com> wrote:
>I think it has already been explained to you.
Then why do it again smartass?
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