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Please Critique my Graphics File

TS Moderator

2006-09-15, 6:59 pm

I created a page in Visio then turned it into a GIF and embedded it
into a word document then I embedded the Visio page natively into the
word document without turning it into a GIF first. Then I turned the
Word document into a PDF.

I am interested in comments as to the graphics quality, 'cause I am
about to do a large number of documents of this nature. Ok, thank you
very much.

http://trucksafety.googlepages.com/GraphicsTestFile.pdf

Red E. Kilowatt

2006-09-15, 6:59 pm

TS Moderator <TruckSafety@XXXXXXXXXX> wrote in message:
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> I created a page in Visio then turned it into a GIF and embedded it
> into a word document then I embedded the Visio page natively into the
> word document without turning it into a GIF first. Then I turned the
> Word document into a PDF.
>
> I am interested in comments as to the graphics quality, 'cause I am
> about to do a large number of documents of this nature. Ok, thank you
> very much.
>
> http://trucksafety.googlepages.com/GraphicsTestFile.pdf

Looks fine to me.

Typical, if not slightly above average for web graphics, but you need
more than lines to make a good judgment on the quality. Unless of course
you're never going to go beyond lines and arrows and such.

--
Red

SEOwebMarket.com

2006-09-24, 6:57 pm

TS Moderator wrote:
> Karl Groves wrote:
>
> That is a good point. My understanding about PNG is that not as many
> browsers can render it. What I don't know is this -- when you convert
> from a word document (containing an embededded PNG) to a PDF document,
> does the PNG remain as a PNG within the PDF? Or does that lift the
> requirement that a rendering browser have the ability to display PNG?

PDF = Portable Document Format

That's the whole point of PDF - everything that is referenced in it is
contained within including images, fonts, styles, and almost anything.
Once your file is contained in a PDF, it will appear exactly the same
to anyone who views it (if you use the right programs).

Your images are fine for web use, but will look like crap if you print
them and will probably look bad in PDF on a windows machine because it
will be rendering it at a % of the size. I would have used a vector
file or PNG for better looking images. Also, I recommend using Adobe
products instead if you care at all about what it looks like; real
graphic designers would never touch a windows machine nor use a
microsoft product to produce images (they cannot render properly).

David Hennessy

2006-09-24, 6:57 pm

SEOwebMarket.com wrote:
> TS Moderator wrote:
>
> PDF = Portable Document Format
>
> That's the whole point of PDF - everything that is referenced in it is
> contained within including images, fonts, styles, and almost anything.
> Once your file is contained in a PDF, it will appear exactly the same
> to anyone who views it (if you use the right programs).
>
> Your images are fine for web use, but will look like crap if you print
> them and will probably look bad in PDF on a windows machine because it
> will be rendering it at a % of the size. I would have used a vector
> file or PNG for better looking images. Also, I recommend using Adobe
> products instead if you care at all about what it looks like; real
> graphic designers would never touch a windows machine nor use a
> microsoft product to produce images (they cannot render properly).
>

I think that embedded Visio is a raster format... can someone correct me
if I am wrong?

--
David J. Hennessy
http://maidix.com/

Steven

2006-09-24, 6:57 pm

TS Moderator wrote:
> I created a page in Visio then turned it into a GIF and embedded it
> into a word document then I embedded the Visio page natively into the
> word document without turning it into a GIF first. Then I turned the
> Word document into a PDF.
>
> I am interested in comments as to the graphics quality, 'cause I am
> about to do a large number of documents of this nature. Ok, thank you
> very much.
>
> http://trucksafety.googlepages.com/GraphicsTestFile.pdf

Is the PDF for print?
if it's for print the method you used for page 2 is best. It'll
probably give you a smaller filesize too.
I can't see any reason you'd need page 1's type, unless you're going to
be wanting to use the PDF on computers that don't have New Times Roman
Bold, New Times Roman Italics and Arial Bold. Which is unlikely.
Steven

BBM

2006-09-24, 6:58 pm

TS Moderator wrote:
> My understanding about PNG is that not as many
> browsers can render it.
I thought the only browser with a PNG problem was IE, and that was only
with PNG's transparency layer?

SEOwebMarket.com

2006-09-24, 6:58 pm

Steven wrote:
> I can't see any reason you'd need page 1's type, unless you're going to
> be wanting to use the PDF on computers that don't have New Times Roman
> Bold, New Times Roman Italics and Arial Bold. Which is unlikely.

Very "unlikely" because as I stated above:

ALL OF THE FONTS ARE EMBEDDED WITHIN THE PDF.

If the viewer does not have the font, it will load from within the PDF
and will show ALL characters EXACTLY the same on ALL computers. That
is what a PDF is.

Steven

2006-09-24, 6:58 pm

I preflighted the document and the fonts came up as un-embedded, That's
why I mentioned it.
Here's the report:
http://newbox.shook.co.za/GraphicsTestFile_report.pdf
Steven

SEOwebMarket.com wrote:
> Steven wrote:
>
> Very "unlikely" because as I stated above:
>
> ALL OF THE FONTS ARE EMBEDDED WITHIN THE PDF.
>
> If the viewer does not have the font, it will load from within the PDF
> and will show ALL characters EXACTLY the same on ALL computers. That
> is what a PDF is.

SEOwebMarket.com

2006-09-24, 6:58 pm

Steven wrote:
> I preflighted the document and the fonts came up as un-embedded, That's
> why I mentioned it.
> Here's the report:
> http://newbox.shook.co.za/GraphicsTestFile_report.pdf
> Steven

Interesting. That is part of why professionals use native applications
and Macs instead of using crapware on a microcrap system. Adobe
developed the PDF; so if you want to produce professional work, you
should be using Adobe Acrobat to create PDF's.

MS word should not be used as a layout program, and should definitely
not be used to export PDFs (especially if it can't even embed fonts).

Again, the whole point of PDF is to contain all of your resources
(fonts, images, etc.) within - so you can send one single file to the
printer and expect it to print exactly as it is viewed (WYSIWYG).

Steven

2006-09-24, 6:58 pm

I work all day every day with PDFs, in the printing industry, There are
lots of capable applications, for unix, microsoft and apple alike, but
if you want to do any sort of professional publishing, M$ Word ,
Powerpoint, and ESPECIALLY Publisher, are NOT the way to go.
Stick to the publishing brands, Adobe and Quark for PC and Mac, and
Coreldraw for PC.
Steven

SEOwebMarket.com wrote:
> Steven wrote:
>
> Interesting. That is part of why professionals use native applications
> and Macs instead of using crapware on a microcrap system. Adobe
> developed the PDF; so if you want to produce professional work, you
> should be using Adobe Acrobat to create PDF's.
>
> MS word should not be used as a layout program, and should definitely
> not be used to export PDFs (especially if it can't even embed fonts).
>
> Again, the whole point of PDF is to contain all of your resources
> (fonts, images, etc.) within - so you can send one single file to the
> printer and expect it to print exactly as it is viewed (WYSIWYG).