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| Dylan Parry 2006-09-15, 6:59 pm |
| Hi folks,
Just finished creating a template for a site and I would like to hear
your opinions and criticisms before I start sticking content into it.
http://www.imaginwales.com/template.html
Everything is subject to change, so any comments are welcomed (unless
you attempt to tell me that "imagine" is spelt wrong, in which case I'll
slap you with a wet fish!)
Cheers,
--
Dylan Parry
http://electricfreedom.org | http://webpageworkshop.co.uk
Programming, n: A pastime similar to banging one's head
against a wall, but with fewer opportunities for reward.
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| Karl Groves 2006-09-15, 6:59 pm |
| Dylan Parry <usenet@dylanparry.com> wrote in news:4mvpe8F7q06oU1
@individual.net:
> Hi folks,
>
> Just finished creating a template for a site and I would like to hear
> your opinions and criticisms before I start sticking content into it.
>
> http://www.imaginwales.com/template.html
>
> Everything is subject to change, so any comments are welcomed (unless
> you attempt to tell me that "imagine" is spelt wrong, in which case I'll
> slap you with a wet fish!)
>
> Cheers,
>
Sexy.
Something weird happened when the page first loaded. The text was
overlapping the "fig 1" image - WinXP/SP2 Mozilla 1.7.13, 1680x1050
I resized my window down (because I realize I have a much-larger-than-
common resolution and everything looked great. When I resized back up, the
image no longer overlapped and everything looked fine.
--
Karl Groves
www.karlcore.com
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| Mark Goodge 2006-09-15, 6:59 pm |
| On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:51:11 +0100, Dylan Parry put finger to keyboard
and typed:
>Hi folks,
>
>Just finished creating a template for a site and I would like to hear
>your opinions and criticisms before I start sticking content into it.
>
>http://www.imaginwales.com/template.html
>
>Everything is subject to change, so any comments are welcomed (unless
>you attempt to tell me that "imagine" is spelt wrong, in which case I'll
>slap you with a wet fish!)
A few things that occur to me:
1. The colours in the breadcrumb navigation are a little indistinct -
black on green - which makes it rather unobvious. I saw it, because
I'm used to such devices, but those less familiar with them might not
spot that they exist. That could present a usability problem if
there's no other obvious navigation on the page.
2. The fat white borders remain equally fat even on a slimmer browser
window, squeezing the content into a very thin strip in the middle. If
you're going to have a fixed width anywhere, then I'd suggest it
should be the content, with the borders expanding or contracting
according to the browser. Alternatively, make all of the columns -
content and borders - percentages so that the proportions remain the
same on different window sizes.
3. Three of the corners of the content background are rounded, but the
one at the top left isn't. This may well be a deliberate design
feature rather than a mistake, but even if it is deliberate it still
looks like a mistake!
Just my 2p.
Mark
--
Please give me one! http://www.pleasegivemeone.com
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| Brian Cryer 2006-09-15, 6:59 pm |
| "Dylan Parry" <usenet@dylanparry.com> wrote in message
news:4mvpe8F7q06oU1@individual.net...
> Hi folks,
>
> Just finished creating a template for a site and I would like to hear
> your opinions and criticisms before I start sticking content into it.
>
> http://www.imaginwales.com/template.html
>
> Everything is subject to change, so any comments are welcomed (unless
> you attempt to tell me that "imagine" is spelt wrong, in which case I'll
> slap you with a wet fish!)
I think it looks good.
Two minor comments:
1. If I view it full screen, 1600x1200, the bottom left and bottom right
rounded corners of your centre section, ride up and are positioned to the
right of the "Fig 2" image.
2. If I reduce the width of my browser I get to a point where the left hand
menu starts to creep to the right - I'm sure this must bean IE issue.
Like I said, looks good.
--
Brian Cryer
www.cryer.co.uk/brian
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| Dylan Parry 2006-09-15, 6:59 pm |
| Karl Groves wrote:
> Sexy.
I like you too <g>
> Something weird happened when the page first loaded. The text was
> overlapping the "fig 1" image - WinXP/SP2 Mozilla 1.7.13, 1680x1050
Yes, that's a problem I just noticed shortly after posting, but it's
unlikely to occur "in the wild" as there won't be any floated images as
far down the page as there were in the template.
--
Dylan Parry
http://electricfreedom.org | http://webpageworkshop.co.uk
Programming, n: A pastime similar to banging one's head
against a wall, but with fewer opportunities for reward.
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| mbstevens 2006-09-15, 6:59 pm |
| On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:51:11 +0100, Dylan Parry wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> Just finished creating a template for a site and I would like to hear your
> opinions and criticisms before I start sticking content into it.
>
> http://www.imaginwales.com/template.html
Slick. Uses a varient of Meyer's CSS navigation, right? On line 5, 22
you have a character that keeps us from checking validation. I find the
colors unusually pleasant. I'm wondering how hard it is going to be to
keep up those shadows behind the images if you ever decide to change the
background color.
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| Dylan Parry 2006-09-15, 6:59 pm |
| Mark Goodge wrote:
> 1. The colours in the breadcrumb navigation are a little indistinct -
> black on green - which makes it rather unobvious. I saw it, because
> I'm used to such devices, but those less familiar with them might not
> spot that they exist. That could present a usability problem if
> there's no other obvious navigation on the page.
Yep. Totally agree with that one. I'll look into ways of making it more
obvious though - perhaps slightly large text, or maybe an icon or
something indicating the breadcrumbs? Any suggestions?
> 2. The fat white borders remain equally fat even on a slimmer browser
> window, squeezing the content into a very thin strip in the middle. If
> you're going to have a fixed width anywhere, then I'd suggest it
> should be the content, with the borders expanding or contracting
> according to the browser. Alternatively, make all of the columns -
> content and borders - percentages so that the proportions remain the
> same on different window sizes.
Yes, I was thinking of implementing a min-width for the content panel,
probably supplementing it with a bit of JScript for <=IE6 users. Another
thought came to us in that it would be nice if the members and news
boxes appeared under the navigation menu when the browser window is
under a certain width.
> 3. Three of the corners of the content background are rounded, but the
> one at the top left isn't. This may well be a deliberate design
> feature rather than a mistake, but even if it is deliberate it still
> looks like a mistake!
Heh. This one is a deliberate feature. If you look at the harsh, square
edge of the top-right-hand corner of the navigation panel, you'd see
that a curved corner on the main content would clash (it does, 'cos I
tried it :> ) It also mirrors the top of the "news" title.
Thanks for the comments :)
--
Dylan Parry
http://electricfreedom.org | http://webpageworkshop.co.uk
Programming, n: A pastime similar to banging one's head
against a wall, but with fewer opportunities for reward.
| |
| Ben Jamieson 2006-09-15, 6:59 pm |
| On 2006-09-15 09:51:11 -0400, Dylan Parry <usenet@dylanparry.com> said:
> Hi folks,
>
> Just finished creating a template for a site and I would like to hear
> your opinions and criticisms before I start sticking content into it.
>
> http://www.imaginwales.com/template.html
>
> Everything is subject to change, so any comments are welcomed (unless
> you attempt to tell me that "imagine" is spelt wrong, in which case I'll
> slap you with a wet fish!)
>
> Cheers,
Can you give any insight as to the purpose of the site? Is it a tourism
based product, a business enterprise, etc?
At the moment, the overall feel appears to be quite 'formal', and while
very clean, usable and generally good quality, is better suited to a
business application than a consumer one.
That's not to say I don't like it, cos I do - just wondered what the
target audience is as this can make a huge difference to wether a
design, no matter how good it is, will work....
Ben
PS. did you know imagine was spel.... oh, never mind.
--
Thyme Online Ltd
Caribbean Web Design
http://www.thymeonline.com/
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| Dylan Parry 2006-09-15, 6:59 pm |
| Brian Cryer wrote:
> I think it looks good.
Thanks.
> Two minor comments:
>
> 1. If I view it full screen, 1600x1200, the bottom left and bottom right
> rounded corners of your centre section, ride up and are positioned to the
> right of the "Fig 2" image.
Yes, see my comments to Karl.
> 2. If I reduce the width of my browser I get to a point where the left hand
> menu starts to creep to the right - I'm sure this must bean IE issue.
oO :\ Now that *is* weird... quite entertaining though for folk with a
short attention span :) It doesn't occur in another browser that I have
looked at though, and in IE it's only at around 680px width, so I don't
think I will lose too much sleep over it.
Cheers,
--
Dylan Parry
http://electricfreedom.org | http://webpageworkshop.co.uk
Programming, n: A pastime similar to banging one's head
against a wall, but with fewer opportunities for reward.
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| Dylan Parry 2006-09-15, 6:59 pm |
| mbstevens wrote:
> Slick. Uses a varient of Meyer's CSS navigation, right?
No idea :) Just coded from scratch by hand, so any similarities to any
site, living or dead, is purely coincidental!
> On line 5, 22 you have a character that keeps us from checking
> validation.
Thanks. I actually forgot to validate at all during the process, but
I'll do that now.
> I find the colors unusually pleasant.
Yes, it's an odd combination, one that I've never used before, but I
felt that it somehow "worked" and I found it both relaxing and energetic
at the same time.
> I'm wondering how hard it is going to be to keep up those shadows
> behind the images if you ever decide to change the background color.
Luckily it's not something I'll ever have to worry about! Once the
project/site is up and running it will have a lifespan where the
information changes over around 6 months, then it will remain online as
a legacy site where folk can get at the data. So in that respect it
won't ever change in terms of design :)
--
Dylan Parry
http://electricfreedom.org | http://webpageworkshop.co.uk
Programming, n: A pastime similar to banging one's head
against a wall, but with fewer opportunities for reward.
| |
|
| On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:51:11 +0100, Dylan Parry
<usenet@dylanparry.com> scrawled:
> Hi folks,
>
> Just finished creating a template for a site and I would like to hear
> your opinions and criticisms before I start sticking content into it.
>
> http://www.imaginwales.com/template.html
I mostly like it. However, on the lefthand navigation, I find the
black highlight bar very annoying, especially since it's the same
color as the highlighting for current page. Not sure why, but it
especially annoys me when I'm on the links right above or below the
current page. I'd find it more pleasant if you just continued to
change the color of the text and have the arrow but not highlight
(which, after all, is somewhat redundant), but even using a different
shade would be helpful.
--
MGW
Statistics means never having to say you're certain.
(Note: my Hotmail address is seldom checked)
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| Dylan Parry 2006-09-15, 6:59 pm |
| Ben Jamieson wrote:
> Can you give any insight as to the purpose of the site? Is it a tourism
> based product, a business enterprise, etc?
It's actually going to be a project showcase for displaying really
boring data alongside sexy dynamic mapping. That's why I have tried by
best to "sex" it up.
> At the moment, the overall feel appears to be quite 'formal', and while
> very clean, usable and generally good quality, is better suited to a
> business application than a consumer one.
Yes. It will mainly be used by business users; probably very few if any
of the general public would be remotely interested in the content.
> That's not to say I don't like it, cos I do - just wondered what the
> target audience is as this can make a huge difference to wether a
> design, no matter how good it is, will work....
Luckily for me, the target audience are the people in the office next
door :) They aren't in today (lazy folk!) but they will get to see the
template first thing on Monday morning.
Basically, the site is designed to impress the user and make them think
that the information on the site is more exciting than it really is.
> PS. did you know imagine was spel.... oh, never mind.
<g>
--
Dylan Parry
http://electricfreedom.org | http://webpageworkshop.co.uk
Programming, n: A pastime similar to banging one's head
against a wall, but with fewer opportunities for reward.
| |
| Chaddy2222 2006-09-15, 6:59 pm |
|
Dylan Parry wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> Just finished creating a template for a site and I would like to hear
> your opinions and criticisms before I start sticking content into it.
>
> http://www.imaginwales.com/template.html
>
> Everything is subject to change, so any comments are welcomed (unless
> you attempt to tell me that "imagine" is spelt wrong, in which case I'll
> slap you with a wet fish!)
>
> Cheers,
>
Yes, it looks good.
WinXP Home, SP2 with IE6, (this is a new computer and I havn't
installed Firefox yet.
--
Regards Chad. http://freewebdesign.cjb.cc
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| Dylan Parry 2006-09-15, 6:59 pm |
| MGW wrote:
> I'd find it more pleasant if you just continued to change the color
> of the text and have the arrow but not highlight (which, after all,
> is somewhat redundant), but even using a different shade would be
> helpful.
Cheers. I was thinking something very similar, if I'm honest, and wasn't
too happy with it myself. I'll do something about it :)
--
Dylan Parry
http://electricfreedom.org | http://webpageworkshop.co.uk
Programming, n: A pastime similar to banging one's head
against a wall, but with fewer opportunities for reward.
| |
| Beauregard T. Shagnasty 2006-09-15, 6:59 pm |
| Dylan Parry wrote:
> Mark Goodge wrote:
>
>
> Yep. Totally agree with that one. I'll look into ways of making it
> more obvious though - perhaps slightly large text, or maybe an icon
> or something indicating the breadcrumbs? Any suggestions?
How about moving the breadcrumb line _below_ the ImaginWales banner? I'd
normally expect the banner to be at the top, and not look for anything
significant above it.
Leave the small green area above, though; it's a nice border. (Or maybe
put a green border on both ends of ImaginWales, too?)
--
-bts
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck.
| |
| Dylan Parry 2006-09-15, 6:59 pm |
| Chaddy2222 wrote:
> Yes, it looks good.
> WinXP Home, SP2 with IE6, (this is a new computer and I havn't
> installed Firefox yet.
Thanks, Chad. Much appreciated.
--
Dylan Parry
http://electricfreedom.org | http://webpageworkshop.co.uk
Programming, n: A pastime similar to banging one's head
against a wall, but with fewer opportunities for reward.
| |
| Dylan Parry 2006-09-15, 6:59 pm |
| Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> How about moving the breadcrumb line _below_ the ImaginWales banner? I'd
> normally expect the banner to be at the top, and not look for anything
> significant above it.
I was just thinking that I might move the crumbs to *within* the main
content area and have them just before the title in that panel.
> Leave the small green area above, though; it's a nice border. (Or maybe
> put a green border on both ends of ImaginWales, too?)
Yep, I will leave it there. It doesn't look so nice with two borders
though ;)
--
Dylan Parry
http://electricfreedom.org | http://webpageworkshop.co.uk
Programming, n: A pastime similar to banging one's head
against a wall, but with fewer opportunities for reward.
| |
| Jerry Stuckle 2006-09-15, 6:59 pm |
| Dylan Parry wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> Just finished creating a template for a site and I would like to hear
> your opinions and criticisms before I start sticking content into it.
>
> http://www.imaginwales.com/template.html
>
> Everything is subject to change, so any comments are welcomed (unless
> you attempt to tell me that "imagine" is spelt wrong, in which case I'll
> slap you with a wet fish!)
>
> Cheers,
>
Looks pretty decent.
I saw the overlapping text Dylan mentioned also (Firefox), but resizing
got rid of it for me, also. And a refresh sometimes showed the overlap,
sometimes didn't.
So I went and validated the site. I'm impressed. Clean at XHTML 1.0
Strict. Good job! The CSS has one minor problem:
Line: 101 Context : #navigation ul li#current a
Invalid number : background Too many values or values are not recognized
: #555555 url(/images/arrow-selected.gif) right 9px no-repeat
But that's easy to fix and I don't think it's causing any problems.
Well done!
--
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================
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| Dylan Parry 2006-09-15, 6:59 pm |
| Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> I saw the overlapping text Dylan mentioned also (Firefox), but resizing
> got rid of it for me, also. And a refresh sometimes showed the overlap,
> sometimes didn't.
I'll look into that, but I have a feeling it's possibly caused by the
lack of real content on the page - final site will probably have a lot
more text between images.
> Invalid number : background Too many values or values are not recognized
> : #555555 url(/images/arrow-selected.gif) right 9px no-repeat
>
> But that's easy to fix and I don't think it's causing any problems.
Ah yes, I'll fix that one, but you're right it isn't causing any problems ;)
> Well done!
Thanks :)
--
Dylan Parry
http://electricfreedom.org | http://webpageworkshop.co.uk
Programming, n: A pastime similar to banging one's head
against a wall, but with fewer opportunities for reward.
| |
| John Hosking 2006-09-15, 6:59 pm |
| Dylan Parry wrote:
> Hi folks,
Hi back
>
> Just finished creating a template for a site and I would like to hear
> your opinions and criticisms before I start sticking content into it.
>
> http://www.imaginwales.com/template.html
>
Very appealing look, Dylan. I liked it as soon as I saw it. But...
I checked in first, as it happens, with Firefox 1.0.7 with JavaScript
turned off. So I didn't know what the others were babbling about when
they referred to rounded corners. I only saw square corners, which works
just fine, as far as I'm concerned.
The bigger surprise is what I saw when I looked at it in IE6: a lot
less! I get breadcrumbs, header, content, and footer, but no navigation,
no members, and no news (no news is good news?). I just have big white
empty spaces in IE where I see those items in Firefox.
I've refreshed repeatedly, thinking I might have caught you in
mid-update, but no joy. I don't see what I've set on my IE to keep me
from seeing everything. I don't see [ie] conditionals in your code, and
anyway, somebody else reported no problems with IE6. I'm also on WinXP
(Pro).
What dumb thing am I doing *today*?
--
John
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| William Tasso 2006-09-15, 6:59 pm |
| Fleeing from the madness of the jungle
Dylan Parry <usenet@dylanparry.com> stumbled into news:alt.www.webmaster
and said:
> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>
>
> I was just thinking that I might move the crumbs to *within* the main
> content area and have them just before the title in that panel.
yes - this one definately gets my vote - I like to see <h1> first in a web
document.
--
William Tasso
http://williamtasso.com/words/what-is-usenet.asp
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| Ed Jay 2006-09-15, 6:59 pm |
| Dylan Parry scribed:
>Hi folks,
>
>Just finished creating a template for a site and I would like to hear
>your opinions and criticisms before I start sticking content into it.
>
>http://www.imaginwales.com/template.html
>
>Everything is subject to change, so any comments are welcomed (unless
>you attempt to tell me that "imagine" is spelt wrong, in which case I'll
>slap you with a wet fish!)
>
Impressive! I really like the way the images 'stand out' from the page.
Interesting color combination. I find the black text on the green? just a
tad difficult to read, but quite acceptable. I really like the way it
resizes from 640X480 to huge.
Question...In your style sheet, you have things like:
div > p {margin-top: 0;}
I've not seen the > before. Does it mean anything special, or is it the
same as 'div p {yada}?
--
Ed Jay (remove 'M' to respond by email)
| |
| William Tasso 2006-09-15, 6:59 pm |
| Fleeing from the madness of the Bluewin AG jungle
John Hosking <John@Hosking.name.invalid> stumbled into
news:alt.www.webmaster
and said:
> Dylan Parry wrote:
> Very appealing look, Dylan. I liked it as soon as I saw it.
seconded - excellent work Dylan.
> But...
>
> I checked in first, as it happens, with Firefox 1.0.7 with JavaScript
> turned off. So I didn't know what the others were babbling about when
> they referred to rounded corners. I only saw square corners, which works
> just fine, as far as I'm concerned.
ahh - likewise in IE6 with script turned off.
Bloody curves are my bette-noir :)
Just spent a few hours on a different method which works well in some
circumstances - however, using client script has a certain appeal. Having
looked at the code .... how does it work?
--
William Tasso
http://williamtasso.com/words/what-is-usenet.asp
| |
| William Tasso 2006-09-15, 6:59 pm |
| Fleeing from the madness of the Chaos jungle
William Tasso <SpamBlocked@tbdata.com> stumbled into news:alt.www.webmaster
and said:
> Fleeing from the madness of the jungle
> Dylan Parry <usenet@dylanparry.com> stumbled into news:alt.www.webmaster
> and said:
>
>
> yes - this one definately gets my vote - I like to see <h1> first in a
> web document.
h1 needs a colo[u]r that isn't black - for use when images are disabled.
--
William Tasso
http://williamtasso.com/words/what-is-usenet.asp
| |
| Dylan Parry 2006-09-15, 6:59 pm |
| William Tasso wrote:
>
> ahh - likewise in IE6 with script turned off.
Hmm, that's odd. I shall certainly investigate that. There's no reason
why the content *should* disappear with JS off in IE. The JS merely adds
some bells and whistles. If JS is turned off, it should simply show the
content without the extras.
Like I say, I'll see why this is happening.
--
Dylan Parry - http://webpageworkshop.co.uk
| |
| Dylan Parry 2006-09-15, 6:59 pm |
| Ed Jay wrote:
> Question...In your style sheet, you have things like:
>
> div > p {margin-top: 0;}
>
> I've not seen the > before. Does it mean anything special, or is it the
> same as 'div p {yada}?
Ah that. I noticed that in Firefox there were some odd spacing issues
where margins weren't collapsing as I would expect them to, so I added
the rule for "div > p {margin-top: 0;}", which IE ignores, that means
the first paragraph inside a div should be styled with no top margin.
--
Dylan Parry - http://webpageworkshop.co.uk
| |
| Dylan Parry 2006-09-15, 6:59 pm |
| William Tasso wrote:
> h1 needs a colo[u]r that isn't black - for use when images are disabled.
Yes, you're right. I will change it to white when I get back to the
office on Monday.
--
Dylan Parry - http://webpageworkshop.co.uk
| |
| Dylan Parry 2006-09-15, 6:59 pm |
| Dylan Parry wrote:
>
> Hmm, that's odd. I shall certainly investigate that
[...]
I've turned off scripting (and even tried setting the security to high),
but I can't manage to replicate this. Any ideas what else is different
in your setup from the default?
--
Dylan Parry - http://webpageworkshop.co.uk
| |
| John Hosking 2006-09-15, 6:59 pm |
| Dylan Parry wrote:
> Hmm, that's odd. I shall certainly investigate that. There's no reason
> why the content *should* disappear with JS off in IE. The JS merely adds
> some bells and whistles. If JS is turned off, it should simply show the
> content without the extras.
Well, I *claim* my IE has scripting turned ON. And I *do* see the curved
corners (3) on the content in IE, just not the other items (nav, news, etc.)
Weird enough for you?
--
John
| |
| Dylan Parry 2006-09-15, 6:59 pm |
| John Hosking wrote:
> Well, I *claim* my IE has scripting turned ON. And I *do* see the curved
> corners (3) on the content in IE, just not the other items (nav, news, etc.)
>
> Weird enough for you?
Far too weird! Are you running IE with the latest service packs? What OS
are you using? Window dimensions?
--
Dylan Parry - http://webpageworkshop.co.uk
| |
| William Tasso 2006-09-15, 6:59 pm |
| Fleeing from the madness of the jungle
Dylan Parry <usenet@dylanparry.com> stumbled into news:alt.www.webmaster
and said:
> William Tasso wrote:
>
>
> Hmm, that's odd. I shall certainly investigate that. There's no reason
> why the content *should* disappear with JS off in IE.
Let me be clear: with script off (IE6) the corners are square. no other
differences.
> The JS merely adds
> some bells and whistles. If JS is turned off, it should simply show the
> content without the extras.
>
> Like I say, I'll see why this is happening.
Can't answer for John's query, but you have no work to do here so far as I
can see.
Again - if you find time, please tell: How does that script work? What
does it actually /do/ to the document?
--
William Tasso
http://williamtasso.com/words/what-is-usenet.asp
| |
|
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| Dylan Parry 2006-09-15, 6:59 pm |
| William Tasso wrote:
> Let me be clear: with script off (IE6) the corners are square. no other
> differences.
Heh, I merely read the quotes incorrectly and thought you were
commenting on something else :)
--
Dylan Parry - http://webpageworkshop.co.uk
| |
| John Hosking 2006-09-15, 6:59 pm |
| Dylan Parry wrote:
> John Hosking wrote:
>
>
> Far too weird! Are you running IE with the latest service packs? What OS
> are you using? Window dimensions?
>
Well! Here's a pile of data (still steaming), and I hope you can make
some useful information out of it.
First of all, this machine is running WindowsXP Pro with no(!) service
packs. The size of the browser window appears to play no role, but I've
tried maximized (1280x1024) as well as resized down to "pretty damn
small". I've adjust text size and refreshed repeatedly.
I copied your page & files to my PC, and I've found a workaround. Here's
how I can fix it (but you're not going to like it):
The all.css file contains this:
#members input.text {
border: none;
width: 166px;
}
As long as the width is set as shown, I don't see the missing content.
However, if I change it to (get this) 164px or lower, I see your stuff.
#members input.text {
border: none;
width: 164px;
}
165px is no good, 164 works a treat. I have absolutely no clue as to
why. It does not tell me why my machine is so different from yours (and
the others). Some IE fix in a SP somewhere (which I don't have)?
Probably not a big deal. Could be I have to sacrifice another chicken at
midnight, but that's what I get here. Maybe *normal* people will have no
problem.
--
John
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| Dylan Parry 2006-09-15, 6:59 pm |
| John Hosking wrote:
> As long as the width is set as shown, I don't see the missing content.
> However, if I change it to (get this) 164px or lower, I see your stuff.
> #members input.text {
> border: none;
> width: 164px;
> }
> 165px is no good, 164 works a treat.
Very odd. I actually came to the figure "166px" after finding that
"167px" made the content disappear in my version! I guess, thinking
about it, that something like:
#members input.text {
display: block;
width: 100%;
border: none;
}
#members label {
display: block;
}
Might work instead, which would give me both the desired effect and mean
that I could get rid of the <br /> elements, which I evilly used.
--
Dylan Parry - http://webpageworkshop.co.uk
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| Andy Dingley 2006-09-15, 6:59 pm |
| Dylan Parry wrote:
> Just finished creating a template for a site and I would like to hear
> your opinions and criticisms before I start sticking content into it.
>
> http://www.imaginwales.com/template.html
Very nice ! It's good to see something posted round here that's
decently designed and competently coded.
I might be tempted to move the breadcrumbs below the header bar. I just
didn't spot them right up there.
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| John Hosking 2006-09-15, 6:59 pm |
| Dylan Parry wrote:
> John Hosking wrote:
>
>
> Very odd. I actually came to the figure "166px" after finding that
> "167px" made the content disappear in my version! I guess, thinking
> about it, that something like:
>
> #members input.text {
> display: block;
> width: 100%;
Make it 96% or lower (if you can live with that) and you've got a deal.
97% or higher => same problem!
> border: none;
> }
>
> #members label {
> display: block;
> }
>
> Might work instead, which would give me both the desired effect and mean
> that I could get rid of the <br /> elements, which I evilly used.
I did that too, with the above tweak. Looks fine in my IE.
--
John
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| Dylan Parry wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> Just finished creating a template for a site and I would like to hear
> your opinions and criticisms before I start sticking content into it.
>
> http://www.imaginwales.com/template.html
Nice, I like it.
Only one comment: the shadows on the bottom of the curved
photo-corners, have the wrong background-color. The background of your
page is #E6E4D0, while the most outer corner of the shadow is #E2E1CD.
(I thought I saw a square shadow, and EclipsePalette confirmed my eyes
are okay ;-) )
> Everything is subject to change, so any comments are welcomed (unless
> you attempt to tell me that "imagine" is spelt wrong, in which case I'll
> slap you with a wet fish!)
As long as it's not a wet whale ;-)
--
Els http://locusmeus.com/
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| Dylan Parry 2006-09-15, 6:59 pm |
| Brian Wakem wrote:
> It looks pretty screwed up in Konqueror, which is acid2 compliant.
>
> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/b.wakem/imaginwales.png
Heh, we can't win every time! I will figure out a way of either getting
the corners to work in Konqueror, or failing that a way of excluding
that particular bell/whistle from doing anything on Konq.
--
Dylan Parry - http://webpageworkshop.co.uk
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| Dylan Parry 2006-09-24, 6:57 pm |
| Karl Groves wrote:
> I don't get any of those pretty corners in Lynx. Better fix your broken
> site!
LOL! As long as you can see the text in Lynx, I couldn't give a rat's
arse :D
--
Dylan Parry - http://webpageworkshop.co.uk
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| Dylan Parry 2006-09-24, 6:58 pm |
| William Tasso wrote:
> btw: appears to be some UA sniffing going on here.
Hmm, I couldn't see that anywhere in the code... plenty of *feature*
sniffing though, but that's okay as it's only checking that the browser
/supports/ certain functions rather than checking if the browser is a
specific one.
The bit I think you are referring to is the "FixIE()" function, but even
that only gets used if a browser reports that it hasn't set certain
properties of an element, and so only happens in IE as it's the only
browser that doesn't do it right - again the script isn't checking that
the browser *is* IE by name only by feature support. IMHO it's a bit of
a misleading function name ;)
--
Dylan Parry
http://electricfreedom.org | http://webpageworkshop.co.uk
Programming, n: A pastime similar to banging one's head
against a wall, but with fewer opportunities for reward.
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| William Tasso 2006-09-24, 6:58 pm |
| Fleeing from the madness of the jungle
Dylan Parry <usenet@dylanparry.com> stumbled into news:alt.www.webmaster
and said:
> William Tasso wrote:
>
>
> Hmm, I couldn't see that anywhere in the code... plenty of *feature*
> sniffing though,
aha - didn't look at the code - well I did, but I may just as well have
been looking at instructions for making a road going vehicle from banana
skins and candle wax for all the sense it made to me.
No, I was refering to the generated code which makes use of mozilla
specifics in Firefox.
--
William Tasso
http://williamtasso.com/words/what-is-usenet.asp
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| Dylan Parry 2006-09-24, 6:58 pm |
| William Tasso wrote:
> No, I was refering to the generated code which makes use of mozilla
> specifics in Firefox.
Ah right, was that using DOM Inspector? If so, it could be that FF
translates some of the style rules into its own internal methods of
doing stuff. I say that as I can't see any styles being set in the code
that use the "-moz" prefix, but I know that some styles in FF are
represented as "-moz-xyz" within its DOM.
--
Dylan Parry
http://electricfreedom.org | http://webpageworkshop.co.uk
Programming, n: A pastime similar to banging one's head
against a wall, but with fewer opportunities for reward.
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| William Tasso 2006-09-24, 6:58 pm |
| Fleeing from the madness of the jungle
Dylan Parry <usenet@dylanparry.com> stumbled into news:alt.www.webmaster
and said:
> William Tasso wrote:
>
>
> Ah right, was that using DOM Inspector?
web developer toolbar --> view source --> view generated source
> If so, it could be that FF
> translates some of the style rules into its own internal methods of
> doing stuff.
Silly firefox
> I say that as I can't see any styles being set in the code
> that use the "-moz" prefix, but I know that some styles in FF are
> represented as "-moz-xyz" within its DOM.
oh well - whatever floats their boat.
doesn't alter the fact though: template is a good'un :)
--
William Tasso
http://williamtasso.com/words/what-is-usenet.asp
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| Dylan Parry 2006-09-24, 6:58 pm |
| William Tasso wrote:
> web developer toolbar --> view source --> view generated source
Ah fab! Never noticed that option before, but I will certainly be using
it in the future :)
>
> Silly firefox
Heh. I'm sure that IE and Opera et al are probably just as guilty ;)
> doesn't alter the fact though: template is a good'un :)
Thank you kind sir. The best bit of all is that I implemented a bunch of
the suggestions that you folk suggested, and the client approved it
about an hour ago.
Thanks everyone for your input over the last few days! :D
--
Dylan Parry
http://electricfreedom.org | http://webpageworkshop.co.uk
Programming, n: A pastime similar to banging one's head
against a wall, but with fewer opportunities for reward.
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| Toby Inkster 2006-09-24, 6:58 pm |
| Chaddy2222 wrote:
> this is a new computer and I havn't installed Firefox yet.
Install Opera instead. Better browser, smaller download.
http://www.opera.com/
--
Toby A Inkster BSc (Hons) ARCS
Contact Me ~ http://tobyinkster.co.uk/contact
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| Toby Inkster 2006-09-24, 6:58 pm |
| Mark Goodge wrote:
> 3. Three of the corners of the content background are rounded, but the
> one at the top left isn't. This may well be a deliberate design
> feature rather than a mistake, but even if it is deliberate it still
> looks like a mistake!
I suppose it is deliberate, but I find the effect rather disconcerting.
Each box seems to be rounded on different corners. I enjoy the effect
of boxes with some corners rounded and others squared (I have seen it on
several sites now), but I think there should be some sort of consistancy
on which corners are rounded.
e.g. your "News" and "Members" boxes are rounded on opposite corners.
--
Toby A Inkster BSc (Hons) ARCS
Contact Me ~ http://tobyinkster.co.uk/contact
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| Dylan Parry 2006-09-24, 6:59 pm |
| Toby Inkster wrote:
> No "English/Cymraeg" selection?!
Heh. Sod that, it's not a site aimed at Welsh speakers, and none of the
content (in its original format) is available in Welsh anyway.
--
Dylan Parry
http://electricfreedom.org | http://webpageworkshop.co.uk
Programming, n: A pastime similar to banging one's head
against a wall, but with fewer opportunities for reward.
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