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| Charles Sweeney 2006-06-03, 7:15 pm |
| "Author on web usability, Jakob Nielsen gives his views on the current
state of the internet"
"the savvier web users spent less than 25 seconds on a homepage, leaving
websites little time to make an impression"
Definitely a case for "less is more".
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/5030270.stm
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| trevor 2006-06-03, 7:15 pm |
| Charles Sweeney wrote:
> "Author on web usability, Jakob Nielsen
here we go again.
> gives his views on the current state of the internet"
when does he not.....? let me guess: you get 1/10th of a second or you are
cooked.
> "the savvier web users
well that just threw the sample.
> spent less than 25 seconds on a homepage,
whoa! we're up to 25 seconds! uncomment the text!
> leaving websites little time to make an impression"
what? we just got back 24 and 9/10th seconds! wake up the coders! brew
coffee! uncomment the text!
> Definitely a case for "less is more".
hold on waking up coders! hold on brewing coffee! hold on uncommenting text!
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/5030270.stm
oh no. no you don't. wait. don't i know better than to go rushing off
everytime jacob speaks?
marketers. grumble grumble.
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| Karl Groves 2006-06-03, 7:15 pm |
| trevor <not@home.now> wrote in news:yjCfg.82484$IZ2.25718@dukeread07:
> Charles Sweeney wrote:
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> here we go again.
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>
> when does he not.....?
WAR IS PEACE!
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY!
GUIDELINES ARE STRENGTH!
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Karl Groves
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| SpaceGirl 2006-06-03, 7:15 pm |
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trevor wrote:
> Charles Sweeney wrote:
>
>
> here we go again.
>
>
> when does he not.....? let me guess: you get 1/10th of a second or you are
> cooked.
>
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> well that just threw the sample.
>
>
> whoa! we're up to 25 seconds! uncomment the text!
>
>
> what? we just got back 24 and 9/10th seconds! wake up the coders! brew
> coffee! uncomment the text!
>
>
> hold on waking up coders! hold on brewing coffee! hold on uncommenting text!
>
>
> oh no. no you don't. wait. don't i know better than to go rushing off
> everytime jacob speaks?
>
> marketers. grumble grumble.
He is an idiot. I cant believe anyone actually takes on board the
rubbish he publishes. He either states the blindingly obvious, or
totally contradicts himself every other paragraph. *sigh*
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| Eric Jarvis 2006-06-03, 7:15 pm |
| Charles Sweeney me@charlessweeney.com wrote in
<Xns97D58961AD58Cmecharlessweeneycom@130.133.1.4>:
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> "the savvier web users spent less than 25 seconds on a homepage, leaving
> websites little time to make an impression"
>
I wish I could be that patient.
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eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
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| Charles Sweeney 2006-06-03, 7:15 pm |
| Eric Jarvis wrote
> Charles Sweeney me@charlessweeney.com wrote in
> <Xns97D58961AD58Cmecharlessweeneycom@130.133.1.4>:
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> I wish I could be that patient.
:o)
That was my thought too. One thing's for sure, with some sites it only
takes a few milliseconds to decide to leave!
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Charles Sweeney
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| Karl Groves 2006-06-03, 7:15 pm |
| Charles Sweeney <me@charlessweeney.com> wrote in
news:Xns97D5CCF12F9A5mecharlessweeneycom@130.133.1.4:
> Eric Jarvis wrote
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>
>:o)
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> That was my thought too. One thing's for sure, with some sites it only
> takes a few milliseconds to decide to leave!
>
As evidence of the fact that Ole Jakob makes this shit up, here he is
saying the time limit is 8 seconds: "8 seconds is about the delay tolerable
before people start leaving a site." -
http://discuss.washingtonpost.com/z...alker061799.htm
I'm sure with a little more Googling, we'll see him say 10, 12, 15, and 20.
He's a hack.
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Karl Groves
www.karlcore.com
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| Charles Sweeney 2006-06-03, 7:15 pm |
| Karl Groves wrote
> Charles Sweeney <me@charlessweeney.com> wrote in
> news:Xns97D5CCF12F9A5mecharlessweeneycom@130.133.1.4:
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> As evidence of the fact that Ole Jakob makes this shit up, here he is
> saying the time limit is 8 seconds: "8 seconds is about the delay
> tolerable before people start leaving a site." -
> http://discuss.washingtonpost.com/z...alker061799.htm
>
> I'm sure with a little more Googling, we'll see him say 10, 12, 15,
> and 20.
>
> He's a hack.
I must say, I hadn't heard of the guy before. As Mir rightly said, most
of this stuff is common-sense.
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Charles Sweeney
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| Karl Groves 2006-06-03, 7:15 pm |
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Charles Sweeney <me@charlessweeney.com> wrote in
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> Karl Groves wrote
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> I must say, I hadn't heard of the guy before. As Mir rightly said, most
> of this stuff is common-sense.
>
Are you serious?
Wow. He's been proclaimed "The Smartest Man on the Internet"!
He gets about $30k to review a site's home page.
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Karl Groves
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Charles Sweeney wrote:
> I must say, I hadn't heard of the guy before.
you have seriously got to be joking. well, you'll hear more no doubt.
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| Charles Sweeney 2006-06-03, 7:15 pm |
| trevor wrote
> Charles Sweeney wrote:
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> you have seriously got to be joking. well, you'll hear more no doubt.
Maybe he's been mentioned here before, and I didn't pay much attention to
him. I don't need guys like him, so would be less inclined to know about
him.
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| Charles Sweeney wrote:
> trevor wrote
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> Maybe he's been mentioned here before, and I didn't pay much attention to
> him. I don't need guys like him, so would be less inclined to know about
> him.
Are we talking about Jakob Nielsen?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakob_...y_consultant%29
"Nielsen is a controversial leading authority on web usability.
Engineering-oriented and emphatically not a graphic designer, he is
noted for harsh criticisms of popular websites, contending that many
concentrate too heavily on design features he views as gimmicky — like
animation, Flash and graphics — at the expense of usability,
particularly for disabled visitors."
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| Karl Groves 2006-06-03, 7:15 pm |
| Tony <tony23@dslextreme.WHATISTHIS.com> wrote in
news:1281cpjn06b7p83@corp.supernews.com:
> Charles Sweeney wrote:
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> Are we talking about Jakob Nielsen?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakob_...y_consultant%29
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> "Nielsen is a controversial leading authority on web usability.
> Engineering-oriented and emphatically not a graphic designer, he is
> noted for harsh criticisms of popular websites, contending that many
> concentrate too heavily on design features he views as gimmicky — like
> animation, Flash and graphics — at the expense of usability,
> particularly for disabled visitors."
>
They need to add that he has no educational background in Ergonomics,
Human-Computer Interaction, or Psychology.
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Karl Groves
www.karlcore.com
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| Matt Probert 2006-06-03, 7:15 pm |
| On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 21:41:17 -0500, Karl Groves
<karl@NOSPAMkarlcore.com> wrote:
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>They need to add that he has no educational background in Ergonomics,
>Human-Computer Interaction, or Psychology.
I'll not comment on any individual, but a lack of formal training is
frequently a benefit, since one has not been subjected to
indoctrination in dominant ideology and parrot-like repetition of the
same old mistakes.
Matt
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Veritas Vincti
http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com
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| Karl Groves 2006-06-03, 7:15 pm |
| www@probertencyclopaedia.com (Matt Probert) wrote in
news:44812ce9.48139437@news.ntlworld.com:
> On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 21:41:17 -0500, Karl Groves
> <karl@NOSPAMkarlcore.com> wrote:
>
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> I'll not comment on any individual, but a lack of formal training is
> frequently a benefit, since one has not been subjected to
> indoctrination in dominant ideology and parrot-like repetition of the
> same old mistakes.
This is the sort of ignorant statement I'd expect of someone *less*
intelligent than you, Matt.
You're equating education with conformancy. Just because someone has
been "subjected to indoctrination in dominant ideology" doesn't mean
they have to follow it. I'd argue though, that they should be aware of
it.
The true geniuses in any field are those who combine their education
(formal or informal) and experiences with a willingness to challenge the
norm to expand the frontiers of their field.
Name the greatest minds in history and you'll see I'm right: Bertrand
Russell, Bucky Fuller, Albert Einstein, Bernoulli, even Martin Luther
are perfect examples of this.
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Karl Groves
www.karlcore.com
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| Charles Sweeney 2006-06-03, 7:15 pm |
| Karl Groves wrote
> They need to add that he has no educational background in Ergonomics,
> Human-Computer Interaction, or Psychology.
You mean he doesn't have a certificate?
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Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com
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| Karl Groves wrote:
> Tony <tony23@dslextreme.WHATISTHIS.com> wrote in
> news:1281cpjn06b7p83@corp.supernews.com:
> They need to add that he has no educational background in Ergonomics,
> Human-Computer Interaction, or Psychology.
It's Wikipedia - go ahead & add it!
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| Andy Mabbett 2006-06-11, 3:59 am |
| In message <Xns97D6E6C7EAD75karlkarlcorecom@216.196.97.136>, Karl Groves
<karl@NOSPAMkarlcore.com> writes
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>They need to add that he has no educational background in Ergonomics,
>Human-Computer Interaction, or Psychology.
Remind me again what Tim Berners-Lee's educational background is in?
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