|
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| Matt Probert 2006-04-22, 7:05 pm |
| <rant on>
I notice petrol prices are rising every week. I guess they're not
included in the UK inflation figures!
Look out for more record profits from the British oil companies next
quarter!
<gnashing of teeth>
Someone's extracting the urine out of the British motorist, and
without wishing to appear racist, I am glancing westwards.....
(No, Mecca's the other way)
</rant of>
Matt
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| Roy Schestowitz 2006-04-22, 7:05 pm |
| __/ [ Matt Probert ] on Saturday 22 April 2006 16:18 \__
> <rant on>
>
> I notice petrol prices are rising every week. I guess they're not
> included in the UK inflation figures!
>
> Look out for more record profits from the British oil companies next
> quarter!
>
> <gnashing of teeth>
>
> Someone's extracting the urine out of the British motorist, and
> without wishing to appear racist, I am glancing westwards.....
>
> (No, Mecca's the other way)
>
> </rant of>
>
> Matt
I was in the States until Thursday and was told that, in a period of just 6
months, the price of petrol doubled (maybe an exaggerating/figure of
speech). Everybody was talking about the price of fuel and noone could every
find the gas station that had sane, welcoming prices. So you are not alone
in this. Demand for gasoline in the East is rising as well, so think green.
Best wishes,
Roy
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| David Hennessy 2006-04-22, 7:05 pm |
| Matt Probert wrote:
> <rant on>
>
> I notice petrol prices are rising every week. I guess they're not
> included in the UK inflation figures!
>
> Look out for more record profits from the British oil companies next
> quarter!
>
> <gnashing of teeth>
>
> Someone's extracting the urine out of the British motorist, and
> without wishing to appear racist, I am glancing westwards.....
>
> (No, Mecca's the other way)
>
> </rant of>
>
> Matt
>
>
I think the consumer has to accept responsibility for this. It's just
not realistic to expect a company to not try to make as much money as
it's customers will let it. They keep jacking the price up more & more,
and people continue to buy larger & larger vehicles with poorer & poorer
gas mileage. The price has doubled, and I bet consumption has not
decreased one bit. It's probably still increasing faster than ever. If
people want it to stop, they have to stop rewarding it, and start
investing in the alternatives that are already available.
--
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David J. Hennessy
http://david.maidix.com/
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| Roy Schestowitz 2006-04-22, 7:05 pm |
| __/ [ David Hennessy ] on Saturday 22 April 2006 18:10 \__
> Matt Probert wrote:
>
> I think the consumer has to accept responsibility for this. It's just
> not realistic to expect a company to not try to make as much money as
> it's customers will let it. They keep jacking the price up more & more,
> and people continue to buy larger & larger vehicles with poorer & poorer
> gas mileage. The price has doubled, and I bet consumption has not
> decreased one bit. It's probably still increasing faster than ever. If
> people want it to stop, they have to stop rewarding it, and start
> investing in the alternatives that are already available.
I might as well add:
Exxon Chairman Gets $400 Million Retirement Package Amid Soaring Gas Prices
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1841989
Flame. Holler. Throw a chair.
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| Eric Jarvis 2006-04-22, 7:05 pm |
| Roy Schestowitz newsgroups@schestowitz.com wrote in
<6511964.kiY8JMUdtQ@schestowitz.com>:
> __/ [ Matt Probert ] on Saturday 22 April 2006 16:18 \__
>
>
> I was in the States until Thursday and was told that, in a period of just 6
> months, the price of petrol doubled (maybe an exaggerating/figure of
> speech). Everybody was talking about the price of fuel and noone could every
> find the gas station that had sane, welcoming prices. So you are not alone
> in this. Demand for gasoline in the East is rising as well, so think green.
>
There is a limit to how much petroleum can be turned into petrol/gasoline
at any time. Keep trying to use ever more of it and either the market has
to be tightly regulated (in which case you pretty much have to nationalise
the oil industry eventually) or prices go up. The only thing the consumer
can do is find ways to use less.
That's all there is to it. Before moaning about how hard this is for you
bear in mind that when you take the increase in gas and electricity costs
that I pay in an average week and compare them with the two pounds a week
my benefit has increased by, then I'm one pound fifty out of pocket per
week. That's two percent of my income after housing costs.
Everybody in the developed world is being hit by this. It's not going to
get better. Ever.
The answer for many in the USA is going to be buying cars that can use
Ethanol 85. That will at least be a bit of insulation from rising
petroleum prices. In the UK it's pretty much got to be a matter of finding
ways of making fewer car journeys.
--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
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| Jerry Stuckle 2006-04-22, 7:05 pm |
| Roy Schestowitz wrote:
> __/ [ Matt Probert ] on Saturday 22 April 2006 16:18 \__
>
>
>
>
> I was in the States until Thursday and was told that, in a period of just 6
> months, the price of petrol doubled (maybe an exaggerating/figure of
> speech). Everybody was talking about the price of fuel and noone could every
> find the gas station that had sane, welcoming prices. So you are not alone
> in this. Demand for gasoline in the East is rising as well, so think green.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Roy
>
Roy,
"Doubled" is an exaggeration. Maybe 15-20% over the same time last year,
depending on where you are.
It's up to $3.25/gallon at the station down the street. It's the highest I've
seen around here (other than a "shortage" after Hurricane Katrina hit when it
was $3.50/gal). But it's still not nearly as high as what you guys across the
pond are paying.
--
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| Roy Schestowitz 2006-04-23, 3:55 am |
| __/ [ Jerry Stuckle ] on Saturday 22 April 2006 22:30 \__
> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>
> Roy,
>
> "Doubled" is an exaggeration. Maybe 15-20% over the same time last year,
> depending on where you are.
>
> It's up to $3.25/gallon at the station down the street. It's the highest
> I've seen around here (other than a "shortage" after Hurricane Katrina hit
> when it
> was $3.50/gal). But it's still not nearly as high as what you guys across
> the pond are paying.
I saw it going for just under 3 dollars in Florida. I was pretty certain that
the numbers were inflated as a sort of dramatic licence tool.
Best wishes,
Roy
--
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| Charles Sweeney 2006-04-23, 6:53 am |
| Matt Probert wrote
> <rant on>
>
> I notice petrol prices are rising every week. I guess they're not
> included in the UK inflation figures!
>
> Look out for more record profits from the British oil companies next
> quarter!
>
> <gnashing of teeth>
>
> Someone's extracting the urine out of the British motorist, and
> without wishing to appear racist, I am glancing westwards.....
>
> (No, Mecca's the other way)
>
> </rant of>
(Not to anyone in particular). The bulk of the price of petrol is tax.
--
Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com
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| (PeteCresswell) 2006-04-23, 7:01 pm |
| Per Roy Schestowitz:
>I saw it going for just under 3 dollars in Florida. I was pretty certain that
>the numbers were inflated as a sort of dramatic licence tool.
Yesterday I saw the highest grade of premium for over $3.00 ($3.10?) in New
Jersey.
--
PeteCresswell
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| Steve Sobol 2006-04-23, 7:01 pm |
| David Hennessy wrote:
> I think the consumer has to accept responsibility for this.
For what? In many areas (like the one I live in) you *must* drive to where
you're going. What other choices are there in such a situation?
--
Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows
Apple Valley, CA
Resident of Southern California -
the home of beautiful people and butt-ugly traffic jams
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| Ed Jay 2006-04-23, 7:01 pm |
| >David Hennessy wrote:
> I think the consumer has to accept responsibility for this.
How do you spell 'gullible?'
How do you think Exxon made $36 billion profit last year? How do you
explain that the average oil giant's profits increased 45% last year?
As I type, the oil companies have contrived another shortage so we'll be
happy to pay whatever they want to charge us.
Wake up. You, me, we consumers are not to blame for over-priced fuel.
Greedy, price-gouging oil companies are to blame.
--
Ed Jay (remove 'M' to respond by email)
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| Toby Inkster 2006-04-23, 7:01 pm |
| Matt Probert wrote:
> I notice petrol prices are rising every week. I guess they're not
> included in the UK inflation figures!
The prices for my own sticky brown fuel of choice (cola) are fairly
stagnant.
Perhaps you should make the switch?
--
Toby A Inkster BSc (Hons) ARCS
Contact Me ~ http://tobyinkster.co.uk/contact
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| David Hennessy 2006-04-23, 7:01 pm |
| Ed Jay wrote:
>
>
> How do you spell 'gullible?'
>
> How do you think Exxon made $36 billion profit last year? How do you
> explain that the average oil giant's profits increased 45% last year?
>
> As I type, the oil companies have contrived another shortage so we'll be
> happy to pay whatever they want to charge us.
>
> Wake up. You, me, we consumers are not to blame for over-priced fuel.
> Greedy, price-gouging oil companies are to blame.
Are you saying there is absolutely no price you wouldn't pay for oil,
and absolutely no point where the price of oil would become more
objectionable than finding alternatives that fit your life? For that
matter, why don't we stop wasting time complaining and pool our
resources to launch an alternative oil company that doesn't price gouge?
--
Namaste,
David J. Hennessy
http://david.maidix.com/
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| Swampy Bogtrotter 2006-04-23, 7:01 pm |
| Toby Inkster wrote:
> Matt Probert wrote:
>
>
> The prices for my own sticky brown fuel of choice (cola) are fairly
> stagnant.
As is the taste....Irn Bru is far superior.....
In fact, I heard an interesting statistic on the radio yesterday.....
Did you know that Scotland is the only country in the whole world where Coca
Cola is not the biggest selling fizzy drink.....It's Irn Bru.....
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|
|
"Swampy Bogtrotter" <samandjanetknox@tessco.net> wrote in message
news:eFN2g.8925$4k5.7183@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
> Toby Inkster wrote:
>
> As is the taste....Irn Bru is far superior.....
>
> In fact, I heard an interesting statistic on the radio yesterday.....
> Did you know that Scotland is the only country in the whole world where
> Coca
> Cola is not the biggest selling fizzy drink.....It's Irn Bru.....
>
"Made in Scotland - from girders!" :)
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| Swampy Bogtrotter 2006-04-23, 7:01 pm |
| Steve Sobol wrote:
> David Hennessy wrote:
>
>
> Without oil, I have no way to get to my job, let alone make the
> 150-mile bi-weekly drive that my boss requires me to make to work
> onsite with a client.
I have a 90 mile round trip each day.....Without oil, I'd be unemployed.....
>
> Pool our resources?
>
> Do you have any idea how much money and time it'd take?
Or how few resources some of us possess.....
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| Swampy Bogtrotter 2006-04-23, 7:01 pm |
| neilr wrote:
> "Swampy Bogtrotter" <samandjanetknox@tessco.net> wrote in message
> news:eFN2g.8925$4k5.7183@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
>
> "Made in Scotland - from girders!" :)
I love the stuff....But it's got to be Barr's.....Supermarket's own brand
just doesn't do the name justice......
I was amazed once to see Ferric Oxide listed in the ingredients.....Isn't
that rust?.....My chemistry knowledge isn't that hot, but I'm sure Ferric
refers to Iron, and the Oxide bit means it has oxidised, or rusted.....
So of course, that means it *really is* made from girders.....
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| Steve Sobol 2006-04-23, 7:01 pm |
| David Hennessy wrote:
> Are you saying there is absolutely no price you wouldn't pay for oil,
Without oil, I have no way to get to my job, let alone make the 150-mile
bi-weekly drive that my boss requires me to make to work onsite with a client.
> matter, why don't we stop wasting time complaining and pool our
> resources to launch an alternative oil company that doesn't price gouge?
Pool our resources?
Do you have any idea how much money and time it'd take?
I love the idea, but how do you propose we launch this thing?
--
Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows
Apple Valley, CA
Resident of Southern California -
the home of beautiful people and butt-ugly traffic jams
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| Ed Jay 2006-04-23, 7:01 pm |
| David Hennessy scribed:
>Ed Jay wrote:
>
>Are you saying there is absolutely no price you wouldn't pay for oil,
>and absolutely no point where the price of oil would become more
>objectionable than finding alternatives that fit your life?
Your question does little more than deflect from the topic.
>For that
>matter, why don't we stop wasting time complaining and pool our
>resources to launch an alternative oil company that doesn't price gouge?
That's a great idea. You put up the seed capital, and then we'll worry
about how to get permits from a government that helps the oil giants
achieve their goals...your new rich and powerful competitors.
--
Ed Jay (remove 'M' to respond by email)
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| Matt Probert 2006-04-23, 7:01 pm |
| On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:14:56 +0100, Toby Inkster
<usenet200604@tobyinkster.co.uk> wrote:
>Matt Probert wrote:
>
>
>The prices for my own sticky brown fuel of choice (cola) are fairly
>stagnant.
>
>Perhaps you should make the switch?
>
The car runs on petrol. The wife requires the car for her job, which
involves rescuing children from abuse, transporting them to places of
safety and other associated, emotive tasks.
Regrettably, not using the car is not an option. I for my part, do
walk or take public transport whenever possible, but being realistic,
we are over a barrel and are being screwed by the petrol producers/oil
companies. It is naive to pretend otherwise.
Matt
--
Veritas Vincti
http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com
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| Matt Probert 2006-04-23, 7:01 pm |
| On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:35:29 GMT, "Swampy Bogtrotter"
<samandjanetknox@tessco.net> wrote:
>neilr wrote:
>
>I love the stuff....But it's got to be Barr's.....Supermarket's own brand
>just doesn't do the name justice......
>
>I was amazed once to see Ferric Oxide listed in the ingredients.....Isn't
>that rust?.....My chemistry knowledge isn't that hot, but I'm sure Ferric
>refers to Iron, and the Oxide bit means it has oxidised, or rusted.....
>So of course, that means it *really is* made from girders.....
>
Pretty much so.
Rust consists mainly of hydrated ferric oxide with some basic ferrous
or ferric carbonates also present.
It's also what gives bricks their red or brown colour - bet youd
didn't know there was iron in bricks!
Matt
--
Veritas Vincti
http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com
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| Matt Probert 2006-04-23, 7:01 pm |
| On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:02:11 -0700, Ed Jay <edMbj@aes-intl.com> wrote:
>David Hennessy scribed:
>
>
>Your question does little more than deflect from the topic.
>
>
>That's a great idea. You put up the seed capital, and then we'll worry
>about how to get permits from a government that helps the oil giants
>achieve their goals...your new rich and powerful competitors.
You are surely not suggesting any link between major governments and
energy companies?
I realise the Russian government is known to control the Russian gas
company, but surely the US and British governments wouldn't be so
corrupt as to have any influence. Heck, some madman will be suggesting
these governments instigate invasions of foreign countries in order to
control oil next. Or that they forcibly evict indigenous peoples fom
their lands so as to extract oil from beneath them. Everybody in
England knows we keep the Falkland Islands for future development as a
fun park for penguins, and their claim to a large swathe of
Antarctica, believed to be rich in oil, is nothing to do with our
interest. Heck, we cant allow penguins to suffer under a military
junta!
Matt
--
Veritas Vincti
http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com
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| Toby Inkster 2006-04-23, 7:01 pm |
| Swampy Bogtrotter wrote:
> I was amazed once to see Ferric Oxide listed in the ingredients.....Isn't
> that rust?
Yep.
--
Toby A Inkster BSc (Hons) ARCS
Contact Me ~ http://tobyinkster.co.uk/contact
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| Toby Inkster 2006-04-23, 7:01 pm |
| Swampy Bogtrotter wrote:
> Toby Inkster wrote:
>
>
> As is the taste...
Not so at all! Coca Cola and Pepsi have been having an all out flavour war.
Coke released Vanilla Coke, and corresponding Vanilla Diet Coke; followed
by Diet Coke with Lemon and then with Lime; Pepsi countered with Pepsi Max
Twist (Lemon and Lime); Coke relaunched its old Cherry Coke with a
slightly different recipe and a new name; and Pepsi surprised everyone
with Pepsi Max Cino (coffee flavoured).
--
Toby A Inkster BSc (Hons) ARCS
Contact Me ~ http://tobyinkster.co.uk/contact
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| Toby Inkster 2006-04-23, 7:01 pm |
| Steve Sobol wrote:
> David Hennessy wrote:
>
>
> For what? In many areas (like the one I live in) you *must* drive to
> where you're going. What other choices are there in such a situation?
Complete drivel. If you wanted to stop buying oil, you could do so -- it's
easy: just stop buying it -- same way I stopped buying Polo Mints.
I'm not saying you wouldn't have to make some adjustments to your life,
but it could be done if you wanted to enough.
I've never bought a drop of oil in my life. (And I'm not claiming to be a
great environmental hero, as I am still *responsible* for other people
purchasing oil: from the man delivering my shopping from the supermarket,
to the bus driver taking me home on a rainy day. And I expect that I
destroy the environment in plenty of other more imaginitive ways too.) I'm
not a magic alien from another planet, who gets special powers thanks to
our yellow sun; and I'm not a super-, X-Men-style- mutant; nor do I fight
crime by night using a combination of athletic talent and top technology,
dressed as a bat. I'm just an ordinary person like you, so if I can do it,
so can you. If you want to.
--
Toby A Inkster BSc (Hons) ARCS
Contact Me ~ http://tobyinkster.co.uk/contact
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| Toby Inkster 2006-04-23, 7:01 pm |
| Matt Probert wrote:
> It's also what gives bricks their red or brown colour - bet youd
> didn't know there was iron in bricks!
I did. It was mentioned on CSI:NY last night. :-)
--
Toby A Inkster BSc (Hons) ARCS
Contact Me ~ http://tobyinkster.co.uk/contact
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| Eric Jarvis 2006-04-23, 7:01 pm |
| Ed Jay edMbj@aes-intl.com wrote in
<ut8n4253prn2m8f55deaschq8v9m2kf8i2@4ax.com>:
>
>
> How do you spell 'gullible?'
>
> How do you think Exxon made $36 billion profit last year? How do you
> explain that the average oil giant's profits increased 45% last year?
>
For one thing they got a three hundred million dollar legal settlement.
Most of their business is selling crude oil not selling petrol at the
pump. Given the rise in crude oil prices it's reasonable to assume that
their profit would reflect that provided they kept the margins the same.
> As I type, the oil companies have contrived another shortage so we'll be
> happy to pay whatever they want to charge us.
>
For fecksache. What have been the two biggest news stories over the last
six months? There is a shortage even without increasing demand from China
and India. At some point the refining and production capacity hit by
Hurricane Katrina will all be back on line, and Iraq will be back to full
production. At that point prices will stop rising so fast. However they
WILL still increase simply because there will be more competition for the
oil.
> Wake up. You, me, we consumers are not to blame for over-priced fuel.
> Greedy, price-gouging oil companies are to blame.
Basic economics. Increased demand leads to higher prices. Everybody who
uses any form of petroleum product shares the responsibility. Everyone who
wastes any has a share in the blame.
I don't like the oil companies. My father worked in the business all his
life so I know what bastards they are. However they are getting a bum rap
on this. It's easier for politicians to blame them than to tell their
voters that the days of cheap oil in the USA are over.
The only thing that will lead to lower prices in the long term is lower
demand.
--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
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| Jerry Stuckle 2006-04-23, 7:01 pm |
| Ed Jay wrote:
>
>
>
>
> How do you spell 'gullible?'
>
> How do you think Exxon made $36 billion profit last year? How do you
> explain that the average oil giant's profits increased 45% last year?
>
> As I type, the oil companies have contrived another shortage so we'll be
> happy to pay whatever they want to charge us.
>
> Wake up. You, me, we consumers are not to blame for over-priced fuel.
> Greedy, price-gouging oil companies are to blame.
Yes, the oil companies share part of the blame. We don't have any real
competition between them.
But consumers are partly to blame, also. Our love of huge gas guzzling SUV's
and cars consume way more than necessary. If we instead had smaller, more fuel
efficient cars (or better yet, hybrids), we'd save a lot of money on gas.
--
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| Matt Probert 2006-04-23, 7:01 pm |
| On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:13:08 +0100, Toby Inkster
<usenet200604@tobyinkster.co.uk> wrote:
>Matt Probert wrote:
>
>
>I did. It was mentioned on CSI:NY last night. :-)
>
Oh well! That pisses on my fireworks!
So much for a school trip to Burseldon brick works <g>
Matt
--
Veritas Vincti
http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com
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| William Tasso 2006-04-23, 7:01 pm |
| Fleeing from the madness of the jungle
Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> stumbled into
news:alt.www.webmaster
and said:
> Ed Jay wrote:
>
> Yes, the oil companies share part of the blame. We don't have any real
> competition between them.
>
> But consumers are partly to blame, also. Our love of huge gas guzzling
> SUV's and cars consume way more than necessary. If we instead had
> smaller, more fuel efficient cars (or better yet, hybrids), we'd save a
> lot of money on gas.
sure thing - I'll rush out tomorrow and buy/lease as many
cars/vans/trucks/bikes as can be justified to ensure I always have exactly
the right vehicle on hand for the task. I'll also fund each vehicle with
its own road tax and insurance.
Ain't gonna happen. We are fortunate in that we are currently able to run
two vehicles in our household, so there is some level of choice here -
dependent on journey type.
--
William Tasso
http://williamtasso.com/words/what-is-usenet.asp
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| Jerry Stuckle 2006-04-23, 7:01 pm |
| William Tasso wrote:
> Fleeing from the madness of the jungle
> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> stumbled into
> news:alt.www.webmaster
> and said:
>
>
>
> sure thing - I'll rush out tomorrow and buy/lease as many
> cars/vans/trucks/bikes as can be justified to ensure I always have
> exactly the right vehicle on hand for the task. I'll also fund each
> vehicle with its own road tax and insurance.
>
> Ain't gonna happen. We are fortunate in that we are currently able to
> run two vehicles in our household, so there is some level of choice
> here - dependent on journey type.
>
Now you're getting silly, William. What I'm talking about are single people or
childless couples who get a huge SUV for driving around town.
Sure there are times when an SUV would come in handy here. It's simple - I can
rent one for a few days much cheaper than I can buy one.
Yes, there are people who haul the entire neighborhood to soccer practice and
such. For these a larger vehicle makes sense. But not for the majority of them
out there.
And yes, I am thinking about a hybrid for my next car. I rented a Prius one
time when mine was in the shop, and was very happy with it. It made me think
again about the viability of hibrids.
--
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| Swampy Bogtrotter 2006-04-23, 7:01 pm |
| Matt Probert wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:35:29 GMT, "Swampy Bogtrotter"
> <samandjanetknox@tessco.net> wrote:
>
>
> Pretty much so.
>
> Rust consists mainly of hydrated ferric oxide with some basic ferrous
> or ferric carbonates also present.
>
> It's also what gives bricks their red or brown colour - bet youd
> didn't know there was iron in bricks!
>
> Matt
I thought it was just because the clay was red....I've honestly never
stopped to wonder why the clay was red, but it makes perfect sense.....
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| William Tasso 2006-04-23, 7:01 pm |
| Fleeing from the madness of the jungle
Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> stumbled into
news:alt.www.webmaster
and said:
> William Tasso wrote:
>
> Now you're getting silly, William.
yes, I admit that freely :)
extrapolation of a simple case to the extreme does make it silly.
> What I'm talking about are single people or childless couples who get a
> huge SUV for driving around town.
Remind me again - what is SUV? I know what the letters stand for, just
can't remember what type of vehicle that is. I'm guessing it's one of
those van thingies that are nicknamed 'people carriers' over here (though
I'm not sure what implications that name has for other vehicle types).
> Sure there are times when an SUV would come in handy here. It's simple
> - I can rent one for a few days much cheaper than I can buy one.
sure you can - you could even rent a different type of vehicle every time
you need to make a journey.
> Yes, there are people who haul the entire neighborhood to soccer
> practice and such. For these a larger vehicle makes sense. But not for
> the majority of them out there.
I agree there are some 'lifestyle' influences but I suspect you'll find
that most large vehicles are put to practical use at least one a week, if
not more.
> And yes, I am thinking about a hybrid for my next car. I rented a Prius
> one time when mine was in the shop, and was very happy with it. It made
> me think again about the viability of hibrids.
Sounds like you'd be better off with a motorcycle - much less
environmental debt than even a battery car.
--
William Tasso
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| Beauregard T. Shagnasty 2006-04-23, 10:45 pm |
| William Tasso wrote:
> Remind me again - what is SUV? I know what the letters stand for, just
> can't remember what type of vehicle that is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SUV
...and over here in the States, you are required to have a mobile phone
stuck in your ear, too.
--
-bts
-Warning: I brake for lawn deer
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| Jerry Stuckle 2006-04-23, 10:45 pm |
| William Tasso wrote:
> Fleeing from the madness of the jungle
> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> stumbled into
> news:alt.www.webmaster
> and said:
>
>
>
> yes, I admit that freely :)
>
> extrapolation of a simple case to the extreme does make it silly.
>
>
>
> Remind me again - what is SUV? I know what the letters stand for, just
> can't remember what type of vehicle that is. I'm guessing it's one of
> those van thingies that are nicknamed 'people carriers' over here
> (though I'm not sure what implications that name has for other vehicle
> types).
>
>
>
> sure you can - you could even rent a different type of vehicle every
> time you need to make a journey.
>
>
>
> I agree there are some 'lifestyle' influences but I suspect you'll find
> that most large vehicles are put to practical use at least one a week,
> if not more.
>
>
>
> Sounds like you'd be better off with a motorcycle - much less
> environmental debt than even a battery car.
>
Yep, Sport Utility Vehicle - Ford Explorer and Expedition are two. Big, roomy,
and gas hogs.
And for instance - a couple who lived next door (they sold their 4BR 2.5 bath
house to get a bigger one for them and their two kids) got one. Not because
they needed it - but because of status. And there is the perception that it's
safer. Maybe for them, but not the rest of us on the road.
Over there I suspect a lot of people get them because they need them. Over here
they get them because they want them.
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| William Tasso 2006-04-24, 6:56 pm |
| Fleeing from the madness of the jungle
Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> stumbled into
news:alt.www.webmaster
and said:
> ...
> Yep, Sport Utility Vehicle - Ford Explorer and Expedition are two. Big,
> roomy, and gas hogs.
aha, I guess the Land Rover 110 falls into that category.
But, I can justify its purchase usage and it does earn its keep. It is an
awesome load carrier - especially since we added a full length roof rack.
Only this weekend it made two fully laden trips to the municipal dump
taking the equivelent of one load for a small skip which would have cost
the family ~ £90
> And for instance - a couple who lived next door (they sold their 4BR 2.5
> bath house to get a bigger one for them and their two kids) got one.
> Not because they needed it - but because of status.
Ahh - I don't think anyone would view the 110 as a status symbol -
although it does have 12 seats.
> And there is the perception that it's safer. Maybe for them, but not
> the rest of us on the road.
That's true - but parents have a duty of care to their own.
> Over there I suspect a lot of people get them because they need them.
> Over here they get them because they want them.
ok - we have the expression Chelsea Tractor - a reference to the up-market
suburban staus of the Chelsea area in London and the fact that those
vehicles are unlikely to be troubled with huge loads or muddy/rocky
terrain.
--
William Tasso
http://williamtasso.com/words/what-is-usenet.asp
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| Charles Sweeney 2006-04-24, 6:56 pm |
| Toby Inkster wrote
> Matt Probert wrote:
>
>
> The prices for my own sticky brown fuel of choice (cola) are fairly
> stagnant.
Stop drinking that now! It will rot your teeth!
--
Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com
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| Charles Sweeney 2006-04-24, 6:56 pm |
| Swampy Bogtrotter wrote
> In fact, I heard an interesting statistic on the radio yesterday.....
> Did you know that Scotland is the only country in the whole world
> where Coca Cola is not the biggest selling fizzy drink.....It's Irn
> Bru.....
Well, we like to think of ourselves as innovators!
--
Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com
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| TechnoHippie 2006-04-24, 6:56 pm |
| www@probertencyclopaedia.com (Matt Probert) wrote in news:444bba6b.2032437
@news.ntlworld.com:
> Regrettably, not using the car is not an option. I for my part, do
> walk or take public transport whenever possible, but being realistic,
> we are over a barrel and are being screwed by the petrol producers/oil
> companies. It is naive to pretend otherwise.
Indeed, but isn't it a bit more naive to assume we can continue our lives
as normal without making adjustments according to available resources?
Perhaps we won't be such mobile societies as we transition from fossil
fuels to sustainable and renewable energy sources?
Given GWB's recent sales pitch for Hydrogen Fuel Cells ... how much stock
do you suppose he owns in companies developing and implementing the
technology? And, why doesn't he care about pollution anymore?
Do you have any idea how sick I am of the "tin-foil-hat" comments? I guess
some folks were never taught to question the integrity and motives of
others.
Judy
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| SmakDaddy 2006-04-24, 6:56 pm |
|
"TechnoHippie" <technohippiechick@XXXXXXXXXX> wrote in message
news:444d104e$0$14457$6d36acad@titian.nntpserver.com...
> www@probertencyclopaedia.com (Matt Probert) wrote in news:444bbc07.2443968
> @news.ntlworld.com:
>
>
> The big buzz on MSNBC and Fox: Should the U.S. Government regulate the oil
> industry???
>
> How do you regulate thieves?
>
> Judy
By putting the squeeze on their Fences?
;)
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| Toby Inkster 2006-04-24, 6:56 pm |
| Charles Sweeney wrote:
> Swampy Bogtrotter wrote
>
>
> Well, we like to think of ourselves as innovators!
Irnovators?
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Contact Me ~ http://tobyinkster.co.uk/contact
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| Beauregard T. Shagnasty 2006-04-24, 6:56 pm |
| Tony wrote:
> William Tasso wrote:
>
> It's a reversed Urkelmobile!
> http://www.fresh99.com/steve-urkels-car.htm
Almost... that's a BMW Isetta, and it has four wheels. <g>
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-Warning: I brake for lawn deer
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| DoobieDo 2006-04-25, 6:54 am |
| "William Tasso" <SpamBlocked@tbdata.com> wrote in message
news:op.s8i17va1m9g4qz-wnt@tbdata.com...
>
> clever: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4930794.stm
>
not very clever; more like a clevut
Compact Low Emission Vehicle for Urban Transport
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| Dylan Parry 2006-04-25, 6:54 am |
| Pondering the eternal question of "Hobnobs or Rich Tea?", Matt Probert
finally proclaimed:
> I notice petrol prices are rising every week. I guess they're not
> included in the UK inflation figures!
Just weekly? I thought it was every day ;) The thing about petrol prices
is that they don't really hit me until I see other prices rising - I
don't drive, and I walk to work, so no transport costs either. The only
time that they do bother me is when my gf drives up here and it costs me
an extra £5 for her petrol each trip!
--
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http://webpageworkshop.co.uk -- FREE Web tutorials and references
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| Dylan Parry 2006-04-25, 6:54 am |
| Pondering the eternal question of "Hobnobs or Rich Tea?", William Tasso
finally proclaimed:
> http://www.petrolprices.com/
Great site! The scary thing is that it costs less to buy petrol round
your end of the country than it does here - which given that the Stanlow
Oil Refinery is only 40 miles away from me, and traffic is at a general
stand-still near you, is silly :(
--
Dylan Parry
http://webpageworkshop.co.uk -- FREE Web tutorials and references
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| SpaceGirl 2006-04-25, 6:54 am |
|
Matt Probert wrote:
> <rant on>
>
> I notice petrol prices are rising every week. I guess they're not
> included in the UK inflation figures!
>
> Look out for more record profits from the British oil companies next
> quarter!
>
> <gnashing of teeth>
>
> Someone's extracting the urine out of the British motorist, and
> without wishing to appear racist, I am glancing westwards.....
>
> (No, Mecca's the other way)
>
> </rant of>
>
> Matt
Then pressurise for better public transport.
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| Dylan Parry 2006-04-25, 6:54 am |
| Pondering the eternal question of "Hobnobs or Rich Tea?", SpaceGirl
finally proclaimed:
> Then pressurise for better public transport.
Don't be silly. London already has the tube and plenty of buses. Surely
you're not implying that people live in other parts of the UK? Aren't
those places just for tourists to visit? ;)
--
Dylan Parry
http://electricfreedom.org -- Where the Music Progressively Rocks!
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| SpaceGirl 2006-04-25, 7:05 pm |
|
Dylan Parry wrote:
> Pondering the eternal question of "Hobnobs or Rich Tea?", SpaceGirl
> finally proclaimed:
>
>
> Don't be silly. London already has the tube and plenty of buses. Surely
> you're not implying that people live in other parts of the UK? Aren't
> those places just for tourists to visit? ;)
>
> --
> Dylan Parry
> http://electricfreedom.org -- Where the Music Progressively Rocks!
Hah. I use public transport for everything. I dont have a car, I dont
want a car, I can't justifty it environmentally. Frankly I have little
sympathy for people who moan about petrol prices - if FORCED, most
people would find alternatives. Folks are spoiled by the luxury of cars
:P
I think there should be tax breaks for people who HAVE to use cars
because there is no alternative. For everyone else, double roadtax and
pour the money into public transport improvements & the environment.
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| Dylan Parry 2006-04-25, 7:05 pm |
| Pondering the eternal question of "Hobnobs or Rich Tea?", SpaceGirl
finally proclaimed:
> Hah. I use public transport for everything. I dont have a car, I dont
> want a car, I can't justifty it environmentally.
I tend to walk everywhere. Work is a 25 minute walk away from my house,
which is okay unless it's raining, and the nearest supermarket is around
the same distance. I live within 5 minutes of the town centre, which has
a butcher, several bakeries, a couple of corner shops, and a market that
sells fruit/veg in the mornings, so unless I need toiletries etc then I
don't even have to set foot in Tesco (which is on the way home from work
anyway!)
If I want to go to a larger town (for music or something), then
Llandudno is accessible by train, although I'd have to walk 30 mins to
the nearest large railway station, as most trains don't stop at Conwy
(where I live). I think it's probably easier to get there by bus, but
TBH I've not found the bus stop nearest my house yet! (I only moved in
last week)
See http://tinyurl.com/rm6gb for a nice photo of my walk to work :) I
live on the far left of photo, and work in just off the photo to the
right. I walk through the town, past the castle (in the middle of the
photo) and across the bridge. Here's a closer view of the castle and
bridge http://tinyurl.com/motfo
--
Dylan Parry
http://electricfreedom.org -- Where the Music Progressively Rocks!
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| Charles Sweeney 2006-04-25, 7:05 pm |
| SpaceGirl wrote
> For everyone else, double roadtax and
> pour the money into public transport improvements & the environment.
That's the trouble Mir, tax has more than doubled but the money isn't going
into public transport.
It's humans we are talking about here. People will always do what they
want to do. If they want the comfort and convenience of their own car
(most do) then no amount of concern for the environment, or spending on
public transport, will drag them out of them.
Sure a Government could price them out of their cars, but they would never
get re-elected!
The only thing that will stop them is when we run out of oil. Speaking of
which, I'm not sure why we are not doing more to produce vegetable oil.
Deisel engines can be easily converted to run on this.
--
Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com
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| Dylan Parry 2006-04-25, 7:05 pm |
| Pondering the eternal question of "Hobnobs or Rich Tea?", Charles
Sweeney finally proclaimed:
[vegetable oil]
> Deisel engines can be easily converted to run on this.
With the added benefit that everywhere smells of chips!
--
Dylan Parry
http://electricfreedom.org -- Where the Music Progressively Rocks!
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| Charles Sweeney 2006-04-25, 7:05 pm |
| Dylan Parry wrote
> See http://tinyurl.com/rm6gb for a nice photo of my walk to work :) I
> live on the far left of photo, and work in just off the photo to the
> right. I walk through the town, past the castle (in the middle of the
> photo) and across the bridge. Here's a closer view of the castle and
> bridge http://tinyurl.com/motfo
Looks great D! Keep you fit too!
--
Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com
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| Charles Sweeney 2006-04-25, 7:05 pm |
| Dylan Parry wrote
> Pondering the eternal question of "Hobnobs or Rich Tea?", Charles
> Sweeney finally proclaimed:
>
> [vegetable oil]
>
> With the added benefit that everywhere smells of chips!
LOL!
--
Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com
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| Dylan Parry 2006-04-25, 7:05 pm |
| Pondering the eternal question of "Hobnobs or Rich Tea?", Charles
Sweeney finally proclaimed:
> Looks great D! Keep you fit too!
That's what I thought! I used to have to walk 15 mins to the railway
station, then 10 mins to the office at the other end, so I still only
have a 25 minute walk in the morning (and evening of course), but now
it's not split by sitting on my arse for 20 mins on a train, so it's 25
mins continuous walking, which is much better for me.
--
Dylan Parry
http://webpageworkshop.co.uk -- FREE Web tutorials and references
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| Matt Probert 2006-04-25, 7:05 pm |
| On 25 Apr 2006 02:53:10 -0700, "SpaceGirl"
<nothespacegirlspam@subhuman.net> wrote:
>
>Matt Probert wrote:
>
>Then pressurise for better public transport.
>
You're telling that to *me* ? !!!!!!
Actually, it's not an option. The wife has to transport children
between foster parents, schools, courts, and the like in the course of
her job. I'm not sure the public should approve of a known absconder
being transported by bus! We have enough trouble with Group 4 losing
villians as it is!
Matt
--
Veritas Vincti
http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com
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| Matt Probert 2006-04-25, 7:05 pm |
| On 25 Apr 2006 05:27:06 -0700, "SpaceGirl"
<nothespacegirlspam@subhuman.net> wrote:
>
>Dylan Parry wrote:
>
>Hah. I use public transport for everything. I dont have a car, I dont
>want a car, I can't justifty it environmentally. Frankly I have little
>sympathy for people who moan about petrol prices - if FORCED, most
>people would find alternatives. Folks are spoiled by the luxury of cars
>:P
>
>I think there should be tax breaks for people who HAVE to use cars
That's my wife. I walk and bus most of the time. Mileage allowances
don't keep pace with the soaring fuel prices.
>because there is no alternative. For everyone else, double roadtax and
>pour the money into public transport improvements & the environment.
>
I'll not argue with that.
Matt
--
Veritas Vincti
http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com
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| Eric Jarvis 2006-04-25, 7:06 pm |
| Dylan Parry usenet@dylanparry.com wrote in
<rcvm6iori48e$.dlg@dylanparry.com>:
> Pondering the eternal question of "Hobnobs or Rich Tea?", William Tasso
> finally proclaimed:
>
>
> Great site! The scary thing is that it costs less to buy petrol round
> your end of the country than it does here - which given that the Stanlow
> Oil Refinery is only 40 miles away from me, and traffic is at a general
> stand-still near you, is silly :(
>
Not really. Petrol isn't distributed to the pumps directly from
refineries.
--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
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| Dylan Parry 2006-04-25, 7:06 pm |
| Pondering the eternal question of "Hobnobs or Rich Tea?", Eric Jarvis
finally proclaimed:
> Not really. Petrol isn't distributed to the pumps directly from
> refineries.
So how did lorry drivers blockading the refinery at Stanlow cause such
problems with fuel shortages a couple of years ago? :s
--
Dylan Parry
http://electricfreedom.org -- Where the Music Progressively Rocks!
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| TechnoHippie 2006-04-25, 7:06 pm |
| "SpaceGirl" <nothespacegirlspam@subhuman.net> wrote in
news:1145968026.036474.140730@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
> Hah. I use public transport for everything. I dont have a car, I dont
> want a car, I can't justifty it environmentally. Frankly I have little
> sympathy for people who moan about petrol prices - if FORCED, most
> people would find alternatives. Folks are spoiled by the luxury of cars
>:P
I think the key word is "dependant." I gave up my car and drivers license
in 2000 and - frankly - rarely get in a car. Before then, I'd gone without
a car for extended periods of time during my adult life and developed a
good set of coping skills that finally allowed me to abandon the practice
of driving altogether.
Folks are just plain spoiled, in general. And naive to the changes that
will soon be taking place in thier lives unless they are well-knitted into
the ruling class. Can we say exponential deterioration resulting in
widespread social collapse?
Judy
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| Eric Jarvis 2006-04-25, 7:06 pm |
| Dylan Parry usenet@dylanparry.com wrote in
<57ib5mb6pfvr.dlg@dylanparry.com>:
> Pondering the eternal question of "Hobnobs or Rich Tea?", Eric Jarvis
> finally proclaimed:
>
>
> So how did lorry drivers blockading the refinery at Stanlow cause such
> problems with fuel shortages a couple of years ago? :s
>
Because they couldn't get tankers and from to the distribution centres.
--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
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| David Hennessy 2006-04-25, 7:06 pm |
| William Tasso wrote:
> I agree there are some 'lifestyle' influences but I suspect you'll find
> that most large vehicles are put to practical use at least one a week,
> if not more.
This is definitely not the case in America. Here, gigantic gas-guzzlers
(usually with two American flags, one on each side of the car,
fluttering in the breeze) are a status symbol. It sounds like a joke,
but it's not, not even the part about the flags. The latest rage are
SUVs that you couldn't even take off-road if you wanted to; big is the
key, not off-road capability or gas mileage. (I wonder what Freud would
say about America's collective fascination with big!)
I especially love the ginormous Hummer vehicles. They may as well just
sell tanks!
--
David Hennessy
http://david.maidix.com/
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| Red E. Kilowatt 2006-04-25, 7:06 pm |
| David Hennessy <david@maidix.com> wrote in message:
tIt3g.2160$7c.1551@trndny01,
> William Tasso wrote:
>
> This is definitely not the case in America. Here, gigantic
> gas-guzzlers (usually with two American flags, one on each side of
> the car, fluttering in the breeze) are a status symbol.
That's the stereotype but it's not accurate. It's not about the status,
otherwise more people would be buying more expensive cars like Mercedes,
BMW and Jaguar. Most people who buy SUVs want the safety and protection
of a large, substantial vehicle. Not that SUVs don't have their own
safety drawbacks, like rollovers, but most people do think of them as
being a lot safer than a smaller vehicle.
--
Red
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| Blinky the Shark 2006-04-25, 7:06 pm |
| David Hennessy wrote:
> This is definitely not the case in America. Here, gigantic gas-guzzlers
> (usually with two American flags, one on each side of the car,
> fluttering in the breeze) are a status symbol. It sounds like a joke,
Where the heck to you live that you see that?
--
Blinky - Los Angeles
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| Red E. Kilowatt 2006-04-25, 7:06 pm |
| Blinky the Shark <no.spam@box.invalid> wrote in message:
pan.2006.04.25.19.15.12.345508@thurston.blinkynet.net,
> David Hennessy wrote:
>
>
> Where the heck to you live that you see that?
It sounds like a joke because it is a joke.
--
Red
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| Ed Jay 2006-04-25, 7:06 pm |
| Blinky the Shark scribed:
>David Hennessy wrote:
>
>
>Where the heck to you live that you see that?
I see it here in Southern Calif, except that it's not flags waving, but
one or two yellow-ribbon magnets on the back panel.
I expect to see people wearing military fatigues while driving their
Hummers. ;-)
--
Ed Jay (remove 'M' to respond by email)
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| Steve Sobol 2006-04-25, 7:06 pm |
| Tony wrote:
> Steve Sobol wrote:
>
> Motorcycle. I go from Riverside to Huntington Beach & back on $5/day,
> even at current prices.
Well,
#1. I don't have a motorcycle endorsement
#2. Any of my family members or friends will tell you that I shouldn't be
trusted on a bike (not a motorcycle, anyhow, I have a bicycle)... I'd end up
killing myself. (I'm not the world's most wonderful driver, but at least I'm
pretty well protected if I'm driving a big metal box.)
--
Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows
Apple Valley, CA
Resident of Southern California -
the home of beautiful people and butt-ugly traffic jams
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| Blinky the Shark 2006-04-25, 7:06 pm |
| Ed Jay wrote:
> Blinky the Shark scribed:
>
>
> I see it here in Southern Calif, except that it's not flags waving, but
> one or two yellow-ribbon magnets on the back panel.
Right. If I see auto flags, they're from Brazil or Mexico or some such.
--
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| David Hennessy 2006-04-25, 7:06 pm |
| Red E. Kilowatt wrote:
> David Hennessy <david@maidix.com> wrote in message:
> tIt3g.2160$7c.1551@trndny01,
>
>
> That's the stereotype but it's not accurate. It's not about the status,
> otherwise more people would be buying more expensive cars like Mercedes,
> BMW and Jaguar. Most people who buy SUVs want the safety and protection
> of a large, substantial vehicle. Not that SUVs don't have their own
> safety drawbacks, like rollovers, but most people do think of them as
> being a lot safer than a smaller vehicle.
>
Hm, maybe it's just an east coast thing then. There are even more
expensive toys, like the Cadillac SUV, for those in the market for more
expensive vehicles. I do know one person who bought hers for safety
reasons, though, after being in a car wreck. However, I also know one
person who blatantly said that she bought hers as an "I made it" status
symbol. :-P (She actually had the upside-down bumper sticker saying,
"If you can read this, flip me over!")
That said, there are some small SUVs that get better gas mileage than
your average car... hell, they get better highway gas mileage than some
hybrids. For some reason, these SUVs aren't nearly as popular around here.
--
David Hennessy
http://david.maidix.com/
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| SmakDaddy 2006-04-25, 10:58 pm |
|
"David Hennessy" <david@maidix.com> wrote in message
news:WMx3g.429$ud.252@trndny03...
> Red E. Kilowatt wrote:
>
> Hm, maybe it's just an east coast thing then. There are even more
> expensive toys, like the Cadillac SUV, for those in the market for more
> expensive vehicles. I do know one person who bought hers for safety
> reasons, though, after being in a car wreck. However, I also know one
> person who blatantly said that she bought hers as an "I made it" status
> symbol. :-P (She actually had the upside-down bumper sticker saying,
> "If you can read this, flip me over!")
>
> That said, there are some small SUVs that get better gas mileage than
> your average car... hell, they get better highway gas mileage than some
> hybrids. For some reason, these SUVs aren't nearly as popular around here.
>
I think they may be giving them away here.
The other day, I was taking a look at a Toyota, and the sales lady said
she'd toss in a Hummer if I bought it today.
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| David Hennessy 2006-04-25, 10:58 pm |
| SmakDaddy wrote:
> "David Hennessy" <david@maidix.com> wrote in message
> news:WMx3g.429$ud.252@trndny03...
>
> I think they may be giving them away here.
>
> The other day, I was taking a look at a Toyota, and the sales lady said
> she'd toss in a Hummer if I bought it today.
>
>
LOL! Sounds like you were offered the most mileage of any deal. :-P
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| SmakDaddy 2006-04-25, 10:58 pm |
|
"David Hennessy" <david@maidix.com> wrote in message
news:B5y3g.4351$7c.177@trndny01...
> SmakDaddy wrote:
status,[color=darkred]
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>
> LOL! Sounds like you were offered the most mileage of any deal. :-P
;)
Even a blind squirrel gets an occasional acorn.
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| Mark Parnell 2006-04-25, 10:58 pm |
| Deciding to do something for the good of humanity, Steve Sobol
<sjsobol@JustThe.net> declared in alt.www.webmaster:
> #1. I don't have a motorcycle endorsement
Is that like a license?
> #2. Any of my family members or friends will tell you that I shouldn't be
> trusted on a bike (not a motorcycle, anyhow, I have a bicycle)... I'd end up
> killing myself. (I'm not the world's most wonderful driver, but at least I'm
> pretty well protected if I'm driving a big metal box.)
How well protected are those around you? Particularly those on a bike?
;-)
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| Mark Parnell 2006-04-25, 10:58 pm |
| Deciding to do something for the good of humanity, DoobieDo
<doobie@do.dah> declared in alt.www.webmaster:
> not very clever; more like a clevut
That was my thought too. :-)
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| Beauregard T. Shagnasty 2006-04-25, 10:59 pm |
| Mark Parnell wrote:
> Deciding to do something for the good of humanity, Steve Sobol
> <sjsobol@JustThe.net> declared in alt.www.webmaster:
>
>
> Is that like a license?
That would be like an additional class of driving added to your regular
driving license.
Here in New York State, we get an "M" added to the classes of vehicles
we are allowed to drive.
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| Mark Parnell 2006-04-25, 10:59 pm |
| Deciding to do something for the good of humanity, "Beauregard T.
Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.invalid> declared in alt.www.webmaster:
[motorcycle endorsement]
> Here in New York State, we get an "M" added to the classes of vehicles
> we are allowed to drive.
Ah, understand now. Here it's just a separate license AFAIK.
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| Ed Jay 2006-04-25, 10:59 pm |
| Blinky the Shark scribed:
>Ed Jay wrote:
>
>
>Right. If I see auto flags, they're from Brazil or Mexico or some such.
>
Or Laker's flags.
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| Toby Inkster 2006-04-25, 10:59 pm |
| Eric Jarvis wrote:
> Dylan Parry wrote:
>
>
> Not really. Petrol isn't distributed to the pumps directly from
> refineries.
Well, in the case of Dylan's locale, it sounds like it should be.
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| Blinky the Shark 2006-04-25, 10:59 pm |
| Ed Jay wrote:
> Blinky the Shark scribed:
>
> Or Laker's flags.
And even that's usually only during the playoffs.
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| Steve Sobol 2006-04-25, 10:59 pm |
| Mark Parnell wrote:
> How well protected are those around you? Particularly those on a bike?
> ;-)
Much better protected than I am, since I believe I'd be a horrible driver if
driving a motorcycle. :)
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Apple Valley, CA
Resident of Southern California -
the home of beautiful people and butt-ugly traffic jams
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| (PeteCresswell) 2006-04-25, 10:59 pm |
| Per Red E. Kilowatt:
>Most people who buy SUVs want the safety and protection
>of a large, substantial vehicle. Not that SUVs don't have their own
>safety drawbacks, like rollovers, but most people do think of them as
>being a lot safer than a smaller vehicle.
Also, there are ergonomic issues:
------------------------------------------------------------
- Riding in something that wasn't designed for a
wind tunnel first and human beings second is a *lot*
more pleasant.
- Not having to drop into a full squat to enter/exit
the vehicle has appeal to the less-athletic.
- Sitting higher off the road exempts the driver somewhat
from the ongoing headlight arms race.
------------------------------------------------------------
All of those issues are also addressed in part by minivans.
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| (PeteCresswell) 2006-04-25, 10:59 pm |
| Per David Hennessy:
> Here, gigantic gas-guzzlers
>(usually with two American flags, one on each side of the car,
>fluttering in the breeze) are a status symbol. It sounds like a joke,
>but it's not, not even the part about the flags.
Where's 'here'?
I'm in Southeastern Penna. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough, but I'm not
seeing American flags on cars... period.
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| Ed Jay 2006-04-25, 10:59 pm |
| (PeteCresswell) scribed:
>Per Red E. Kilowatt:
>
>Also, there are ergonomic issues:
>------------------------------------------------------------
>- Riding in something that wasn't designed for a
> wind tunnel first and human beings second is a *lot*
> more pleasant.
>
>- Not having to drop into a full squat to enter/exit
> the vehicle has appeal to the less-athletic.
>
>- Sitting higher off the road exempts the driver somewhat
> from the ongoing headlight arms race.
>------------------------------------------------------------
>
>All of those issues are also addressed in part by minivans.
Or any other non-Corvette.
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| Blinky the Shark 2006-04-26, 3:52 am |
| (PeteCresswell) wrote:
> Per Red E. Kilowatt:
>
> Also, there are ergonomic issues:
> ------------------------------------------------------------ - Riding in
> something that wasn't designed for a
> wind tunnel first and human beings second is a *lot* more pleasant.
>
> - Not having to drop into a full squat to enter/exit
> the vehicle has appeal to the less-athletic.
>
> - Sitting higher off the road exempts the driver somewhat
> from the ongoing headlight arms race.
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> All of those issues are also addressed in part by minivans.
And bar stools, but I'm not going to put one of those on the road, either. :)
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| Blinky the Shark 2006-04-26, 3:52 am |
| Ed Jay wrote:
> (PeteCresswell) scribed:
>
>
> Or any other non-Corvette.
Any other non-Corvette? Tell that to Blinky, who just retired his
49-inch-high Triumph TR-7.
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| David Hennessy 2006-04-26, 3:52 am |
| (PeteCresswell) wrote:
> Per David Hennessy:
>
> Where's 'here'?
>
> I'm in Southeastern Penna. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough, but I'm not
> seeing American flags on cars... period.
I'm in southwest Penna... they're common here. I assumed it was more
widespread, but it seems not, which is probably not a bad thing!
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| Eric Jarvis 2006-04-26, 3:52 am |
| Toby Inkster usenet200604@tobyinkster.co.uk wrote in <i4n2i3-
d89.ln1@ophelia.g5n.co.uk>:
> Eric Jarvis wrote:
>
> Well, in the case of Dylan's locale, it sounds like it should be.
>
Not really. The thing is a refinery will produce whatever products it most
effectively can from the crude it is refining. So you'll have refinery A
producing a lot of high octane petrol whilst another is producing a lot of
heavy fuel oil. It's more effective to organise the distribution by
combining the products of several refineries rather than just one, it
makes the overall range of products available a lot more predictable.
Different crude oils can have a wide variety of compositions. It takes
ages to get them to the refineries, and it takes time to alter the
processes at the refinery to deal with a very different form of crude oil.
So it doesn't make sense to base distribution at the refinery level. At
least not until we can teleport crude oil directly from source in a matter
of seconds. Until then, when there's a supertanker full of low grade crude
at the refinery it makes sense to process that even if most of the refined
products will end up going somewhere else.
--
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www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
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| Charles Sweeney 2006-04-26, 6:51 am |
| Eric Jarvis wrote
> Not really. The thing is a refinery will produce whatever products it
> most effectively can from the crude it is refining.
Oil in general.
I was watching NewsNight last night. They said that there is actually more
oil stocks, than there is demand. In other words there is a surplus of
oil.
The problem is refined oil, petrol and diesel mainly. There's plenty of
oil, but not enough refining capacity.
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| Jerry Stuckle 2006-04-26, 7:09 pm |
| (PeteCresswell) wrote:
> Per Red E. Kilowatt:
>
>
>
> Also, there are ergonomic issues:
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> - Riding in something that wasn't designed for a
> wind tunnel first and human beings second is a *lot*
> more pleasant.
>
> - Not having to drop into a full squat to enter/exit
> the vehicle has appeal to the less-athletic.
>
> - Sitting higher off the road exempts the driver somewhat
> from the ongoing headlight arms race.
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> All of those issues are also addressed in part by minivans.
Pete,
I don't have the first two problems with my mid-sized car. And I am NOT even
"less athletic" :-).
The third one is a problem. But the solution is to get those gas guzzling hogs
off the road - not add more to the road!
(Even worse are those with the new headlights that have a violet tinge to them).
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| Jerry Stuckle 2006-04-26, 7:09 pm |
| Red E. Kilowatt wrote:
> Blinky the Shark <no.spam@box.invalid> wrote in message:
> pan.2006.04.25.19.15.12.345508@thurston.blinkynet.net,
>
>
>
>
> It sounds like a joke because it is a joke.
>
I wish it were a joke, Red. See it all the time here in DC.
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| (PeteCresswell) 2006-04-26, 7:10 pm |
| Per Jerry Stuckle:
>The third one is a problem. But the solution is to get those gas guzzling hogs
>off the road - not add more to the road!
Or even something as seemingly-simple as a standard headlight height/spacing.
Heaven forbid, somebody should come up with a bumper/impact height standard...-)
What is it with these crazy-bright lights? Seems like about 1 in 20 or so are
just *too* bright - even on low beams. I know it's not me because of the other
19...
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|
| Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> Tony wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Almost... that's a BMW Isetta, and it has four wheels. <g>
You sure? The pic looks like it has two in front & one in back
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| Beauregard T. Shagnasty 2006-04-26, 7:10 pm |
| Tony wrote:
> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>
> You sure? The pic looks like it has two in front & one in back
Yep, I'm sure. <g> Here's a pic I took at a Concours d'Elegance:
http://fingerlakesbmw.org/visual/fl...p?p=isetta300yb
Thumbs page: http://fingerlakesbmw.org/visual/flmgshow.php
Still hard to see the fourth wheel in my photo, but the obvious
placement of the rear wheel you /can/ see should confirm it. The rear
wheels are much closer together than the front ones.
The 1936 BSA motorcycle shown on that page does have three wheels.
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| Red E. Kilowatt 2006-04-26, 7:10 pm |
| Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in message:
hqGdnb2qGqUh-dLZRVn-qw@comcast.com,
> Red E. Kilowatt wrote:
>
> I wish it were a joke, Red. See it all the time here in DC.
I guess that's not too surprising, given the locale. :-)
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