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| F.C. Jameson 2006-11-19, 7:55 pm |
| I hate to ask a silly question, but I've googled 200 pages and can't
get an answer. I'm a newbie amateur who is just getting into CSS.
Is it possible to create a workable drop down menu without Java ?
I personally don't like Java and I hope to avoid using it.
Another thing, I see a lot of tutorials but a lot of them will not work
in my IE.
For instance:
http://projectseven.com/tutorials/n...de/workpage.htm
Thanks,
FC
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| Brian Cryer 2006-11-19, 7:55 pm |
| "F.C. Jameson" <"nick_at_noonREMOVE"@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>I hate to ask a silly question, but I've googled 200 pages and can't get
>an answer. I'm a newbie amateur who is just getting into CSS.
Its how we all started - well, most of us I'm sure if we're honest.
> Is it possible to create a workable drop down menu without Java ?
>
> I personally don't like Java and I hope to avoid using it.
Yes, but you mean without JavaScript. JavaScript and Jave (despite their
names) are different.
> Another thing, I see a lot of tutorials but a lot of them will not work in
> my IE.
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> For instance:
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> http://projectseven.com/tutorials/n...de/workpage.htm
This example uses a bit of JavaScript on IE. I suspect that without the
JavaScript it wouldn't work. A better example is
http://www.grc.com/menu2/invitro.htm, which doesn't use any JavaScript at
all. I found that whilst the HTML and CSS are document, they aren't
documented that well, so expect to spend a couple of hours understanding how
it work before you try it on your site.
Hope this helps.
--
Brian Cryer
www.cryer.co.uk/brian
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| Swampy Bogtrotter 2006-11-19, 7:55 pm |
| F.C. Jameson" <"nick_at_noonREMOVE wrote:
> I hate to ask a silly question, but I've googled 200 pages and can't
> get an answer. I'm a newbie amateur who is just getting into CSS.
>
> Is it possible to create a workable drop down menu without Java ?
I'm toying with an idea that will allow you to do it using iframes, but to
be honest, I'm not a great fan of drop-down menus. I've never actually seen
one that worked that relaibly, predictably and smoothly on all platforms.
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| Beauregard T. Shagnasty 2006-11-19, 7:55 pm |
| F.C. Jameson wrote:
> Is it possible to create a workable drop down menu without Java ?
[JavaScript, as Brian mentioned.]
Additionally, keep in mind that these kinds of menu present problems to
handicapped people with motor control difficulties.
And many of us non-handicapped people simply find them annoying. :-)
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-bts
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck
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| Brian Cryer 2006-11-19, 7:55 pm |
| "Brian Cryer" <brian.cryer@127.0.0.1.ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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<snip>
> This example uses a bit of JavaScript on IE. I suspect that without the
> JavaScript it wouldn't work. A better example is
> http://www.grc.com/menu2/invitro.htm, which doesn't use any JavaScript at
> all. I found that whilst the HTML and CSS are document, they aren't
> documented that well, so expect to spend a couple of hours understanding
> how it work before you try it on your site.
There was a thread recently where it was pointed out that this example
didn't work properly with a particular browser. Checking back, it was on
alt.html and "dorayme" reported it didn't work in iCab (which is a mac
browser). I suppose you are unlikly to find a 100% cross browser compatible
solution, but I think this is still the best I've seen.
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Brian Cryer
www.cryer.co.uk/brian
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| Brian Wakem 2006-11-19, 7:55 pm |
| Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> F.C. Jameson wrote:
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> [JavaScript, as Brian mentioned.]
>
> Additionally, keep in mind that these kinds of menu present problems to
> handicapped people with motor control difficulties.
>
> And many of us non-handicapped people simply find them annoying. :-)
>
I have come across several recently where it was actually physically
impossible to click on anything in the drop-down section. It didn't matter
how fast I moved the mouse the menu would disappear immediately when I move
it towards the links.
I expect it worked in IE, but I didn't hang around to find out.
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Brian Wakem
Email: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/b.wakem/myemail.png
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| Charles Sweeney 2006-11-19, 7:57 pm |
| Swampy Bogtrotter wrote
> F.C. Jameson" <"nick_at_noonREMOVE wrote:
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> I'm toying with an idea that will allow you to do it using iframes,
> but to be honest, I'm not a great fan of drop-down menus. I've never
> actually seen one that worked that relaibly, predictably and smoothly
> on all platforms.
Indeed. As a user I generally find them a pain.
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Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com
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| F.C. Jameson 2006-11-19, 7:58 pm |
| Brian Cryer wrote:
> "F.C. Jameson" <"nick_at_noonREMOVE"@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:gC%4h.9733$TX.430@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
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> Its how we all started - well, most of us I'm sure if we're honest.
>
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> Yes, but you mean without JavaScript. JavaScript and Jave (despite their
> names) are different.
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> This example uses a bit of JavaScript on IE. I suspect that without the
> JavaScript it wouldn't work. A better example is
> http://www.grc.com/menu2/invitro.htm, which doesn't use any JavaScript at
> all. I found that whilst the HTML and CSS are document, they aren't
> documented that well, so expect to spend a couple of hours understanding how
> it work before you try it on your site.
>
> Hope this helps.
I do like that one, but it doesn't work in my IE.
Had I been able to use it, I would have wanted to
add a <a title ="--"> tag for more description of
each link.
I have made a mock-up of generally what I hope to do.
http://www.anzwers.org/trade/nicksnotes/
My hope in the way of a menu is to allow the visitor
to get a better idea of what is on a link he is
contemplating visiting. (if this were a commercial
page, I might think otherwise). Something on the
order of <a href = title=""> but hopefully a little
more flexible. I figure on about a 20 to 30 word
description of each link and possibly a list of
contents as I have under the link "History".
To do this I had hoped to use a non Java drop down
menu. But they all seem to have trouble in IE. I
don't use IE myself but I figure most people who
visit my site will. So I've given up on the drop
down.
I did run across one I liked very much that uses the
<span> in a creative way that I had not seen before
which appears to be about what I want.
http://meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/popups/demo.html
If anyone would care to comment on how I may better
achieve my purpose, I'd appreciate it. There must be
a more attractive way of doing it.
Many thanks
FC
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| Brian Cryer 2006-11-19, 7:58 pm |
| "F.C. Jameson" <"nick_at_noonREMOVE"@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Brian Cryer wrote:
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>
> I do like that one, but it doesn't work in my IE.
Are you using IE 7? I ask because I've not yet upgraded to IE6, and I know
it works fine with IE6 and Firefox 1.5.
> Had I been able to use it, I would have wanted to
> add a <a title ="--"> tag for more description of
> each link.
Good point.
<snip>
Sorry, don't have time (at the moment) to comment on the rest ...
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| "F.C. Jameson" <"nick_at_noonREMOVE"@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Is it possible to create a workable drop down menu without Java ?
I think that depends on how you want the dropdown to work. If you
want it to drop on hover, dance the hula, etc, then I don't know of
any way other than a client-side scripting language. If you're
willing to have the user click something then drop a menu from that,
the answer is yes.
>I personally don't like Java and I hope to avoid using it.
I don't even like cookies, except to eat.
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| "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.invalid> wrote:
>F.C. Jameson wrote:
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>
>[JavaScript, as Brian mentioned.]
>
>Additionally, keep in mind that these kinds of menu present problems to
>handicapped people with motor control difficulties.
>
>And many of us non-handicapped people simply find them annoying. :-)
Yes, but many of us non-handicapped people find almost everything
annoying. <g>
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Legacy browsers never heard of emerging standards.
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| "Brian Cryer" <brian.cryer@127.0.0.1.ntlworld.com> wrote:
> A better example is
>http://www.grc.com/menu2/invitro.htm, which doesn't use any JavaScript at
>all. I found that whilst the HTML and CSS are document, they aren't
>documented that well, so expect to spend a couple of hours understanding how
>it work before you try it on your site.
Dammit, another reason to learn CSS. <g>
Thanks for posting that link Brian, I've noted it for later study.
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Legacy browsers never heard of emerging standards.
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| Brian Wakem <no@email.com> wrote:
>Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
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>I have come across several recently where it was actually physically
>impossible to click on anything in the drop-down section. It didn't matter
>how fast I moved the mouse the menu would disappear immediately when I move
>it towards the links.
>
>I expect it worked in IE, but I didn't hang around to find out.
Obviously you, and all your customers, and everybody on the web, need
to upgrade to the latest browser, immediately. Even if said upgrade
is not grossly incovenient. <g>
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Legacy browsers never heard of emerging standards.
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| "Swampy Bogtrotter" <samandjanetknox@tessco.net> wrote:
>F.C. Jameson" <"nick_at_noonREMOVE wrote:
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>I'm toying with an idea that will allow you to do it using iframes, but to
>be honest, I'm not a great fan of drop-down menus. I've never actually seen
>one that worked that relaibly, predictably and smoothly on all platforms.
As far as I know the method I use works on all platforms, but it
doesn't drop until you click on something. Whatever, it's the current
state of my art, other peoples' arts may vary. <g>
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Legacy browsers never heard of emerging standards.
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