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"Cascading Style Sheets" by Eric A Meyer
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| TS Moderator 2006-11-05, 11:42 pm |
| I am going to take a beating on this, but I have to say it. The people
on the W3 Committee who write the standards for CSS cannot communicate.
They cannot write.
On page 55 of his book "Cascading Style Sheets", Mr. Meyer first starts
talking about "replaced elements" (at least that is the first place it
appears in the index); and he starts using the term as though everyone
has been sitting on the W3 Committee with him and knows EXACTLY what it
means.
It is infuriating. It makes you want to kick the guy's XXX.
Who lets these people write such bad books?
I have looked at the W3 standards and they are even more poorly
written.
"Normative"????? Who the Hell knows that "Normative" means?
I guess that is why we need people like Bill Gates -- to come in and
take over a messy situation and impose some order on it.
Thank God for Microsoft, else we would be at the mercy of the
illiterate Unix Geeks of the world.
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| Chaddy2222 2006-11-05, 11:42 pm |
|
TS Moderator wrote:
> I am going to take a beating on this, but I have to say it. The people
> on the W3 Committee who write the standards for CSS cannot communicate.
> They cannot write.
>
> On page 55 of his book "Cascading Style Sheets", Mr. Meyer first starts
> talking about "replaced elements" (at least that is the first place it
> appears in the index); and he starts using the term as though everyone
> has been sitting on the W3 Committee with him and knows EXACTLY what it
> means.
I am sure he would go in to more detail if you read on.
>
> It is infuriating. It makes you want to kick the guy's XXX.
>
> Who lets these people write such bad books?
>
He is one of the best people when it comes to CSS thogh.
> I have looked at the W3 standards and they are even more poorly
> written.
>
Yeah, to an extent, I agree, they are very wordy.
> "Normative"????? Who the Hell knows that "Normative" means?
>
> I guess that is why we need people like Bill Gates -- to come in and
> take over a messy situation and impose some order on it.
>
> Thank God for Microsoft, else we would be at the mercy of the
> illiterate Unix Geeks of the world.
I think you will find that Microsoft do have members on the W3C
committee.
I think you will also find that some of that stuff is written for
accademics.
Although the W3c made the F.A.Q to get around problems with people not
understanding errors from the validator.
--
Regards Chad. http://freewebdesign.cjb.cc
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| David Dorward 2006-11-05, 11:42 pm |
| TS Moderator wrote:
> On page 55 of his book "Cascading Style Sheets", Mr. Meyer first starts
> talking about "replaced elements" (at least that is the first place it
> appears in the index); and he starts using the term as though everyone
> has been sitting on the W3 Committee with him and knows EXACTLY what it
> means.
The meaning of "replaced element" is pretty obvious when you think about it.
> "Normative"????? Who the Hell knows that "Normative" means?
People who know how to use a dictionary.
--
David Dorward <http://blog.dorward.me.uk/> <http://dorward.me.uk/>
Home is where the ~/.bashrc is
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| Matt Probert 2006-11-05, 11:42 pm |
| On 12 Oct 2006 21:21:27 -0700, "TS Moderator" <TruckSafety@XXXXXXXXXX>
wrote:
>Who lets these people write such bad books?
Have you tried the Apache 2 manual?
Talk about taking the piss!
Matt
--
Woe to him that willfully innovates, while ignorant of the constant.
http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com
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| Andy Dingley 2006-11-05, 11:42 pm |
|
TS Moderator wrote:
> The people on the W3 Committee who write the standards for CSS cannot communicate.
> They cannot write.
Richard, I tend to rag on you an awful lot, but I'd agree with you on
this one. The CSS recommendation _is_ unreadable. It's just about the
most impenetrable W3C TR around.
In fairness to the W3C, I know the process by which these things get
written. It's hard to write such normative prose and even more so to do
it in a way that's readable. These things have to be _definitive_ first
and foremost, and any readability they have as well is a bonus.
The real answer I guess is "don't read it". It's never intended to be a
tutorial as well as a standard (that's just too hard to achieve) and so
you're probably better off beginning with a tutorial intended as such.
> On page 55 of his book "Cascading Style Sheets", Mr. Meyer
Put down Meyer and pick up Lie & Bos' "Cascading Stylesheets" This is
a _much_ better tutorial, and this one is well-written for readability.
It's still my favourite CSS book. Strangely it's also written by one
the CSS spec's authors, which shows that he can write well and
readably.
"Head First HTML & CSS" is pretty good too, although the style is
rather whacky and you'll either love it or hate it.
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| TS Moderator 2006-11-05, 11:42 pm |
|
On Oct 13, 3:03 am, David Dorward <dorw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> TS Moderator wrote:
>
>
> --
> David Dorward <http://blog.dorward.me.uk/> <http://dorward.me.uk/>
> Home is where the ~/.bashrc is
And David, I just really want to thank you for standing up and showing
the world a perfect example of the Geek ATTITUDE problem that is wrong
with W3 Committee Writers. NO. The meaning of "replaced element" is
not "pretty obvious".
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| Andy Dingley 2006-11-05, 11:42 pm |
|
David Dorward wrote:
> The meaning of "replaced element" is pretty obvious when you think about it.
News to me!
>
> People who know how to use a dictionary.
Why would you expect a dictionary to be useful for a technical term
like this? Even if the term is in there, is that the same meaning that
the W3C use for it? What if one used Webster's to look it up? What if
one used the wrong edition of Websters (i.e. the 3rd).
What is the dictionary definition anyway? The tautological "relating
to norms"? Or the only slightly more helpful "relating to standards"?
The word is all over the recommendation - of course it's "related" to
them! But exactly how? This is one of those words, like "deprecated"
and even "should" that has a very precise and specific meaning in the
context of these documents and it's not necessarily the same as you'd
find in any "everyday" dictionary. The definition of "should" is that
from RFC2119, no other.
Most of the terms (including "replaced element", but not "normative")
are defined in the recommendation, as they ought to be.
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/conform.html#q1
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| TS Moderator 2006-11-05, 11:42 pm |
|
Andy Dingley wrote:
> David Dorward wrote:
>
>
> News to me!
>
>
> Why would you expect a dictionary to be useful for a technical term
> like this? Even if the term is in there, is that the same meaning that
> the W3C use for it? What if one used Webster's to look it up? What if
> one used the wrong edition of Websters (i.e. the 3rd).
>
> What is the dictionary definition anyway? The tautological "relating
> to norms"? Or the only slightly more helpful "relating to standards"?
> The word is all over the recommendation - of course it's "related" to
> them! But exactly how? This is one of those words, like "deprecated"
> and even "should" that has a very precise and specific meaning in the
> context of these documents and it's not necessarily the same as you'd
> find in any "everyday" dictionary. The definition of "should" is that
> from RFC2119, no other.
>
> Most of the terms (including "replaced element", but not "normative")
> are defined in the recommendation, as they ought to be.
> http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/conform.html#q1
Thanks Andy. Actually Meyer used the term "replaced element" in his
book "Cascading Style Sheets: The Definitive Guide". When a guy writes
a book on Style Sheets purporting to explain the standard, you
shouldn't have to go to the standard to understand what his book is
talking about, because if the standard was so damn clear, you wouldn't
need to be reading his book in the first place.
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| johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com 2006-11-05, 11:42 pm |
| TS Moderator wrote:
> I am going to take a beating on this, but I have to say it. The people
> on the W3 Committee who write the standards for CSS cannot communicate.
> They cannot write.
>
> On page 55 of his book "Cascading Style Sheets", Mr. Meyer first starts
> talking about "replaced elements" (at least that is the first place it
> appears in the index); and he starts using the term as though everyone
> has been sitting on the W3 Committee with him and knows EXACTLY what it
> means.
Why would you want to buy a book when you can get all that you need to
know about CSS coding off of the web for FREE?
Seems to be hundreds of excellant web pages on CSS coding and
tutorials.
And, you also avoid the above problem.
Just my opinion, but I am never wrong. :)
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| TS Moderator 2006-11-05, 11:42 pm |
|
johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com wrote:
> TS Moderator wrote:
>
> Why would you want to buy a book when you can get all that you need to
> know about CSS coding off of the web for FREE?
>
> Seems to be hundreds of excellant web pages on CSS coding and
> tutorials.
>
> And, you also avoid the above problem.
>
> Just my opinion, but I am never wrong. :)
There are hundreds of excellent web pages on how to write a style sheet
that will make all of your H1 tags purple or remove the underline from
your Links; but the explanations of how the Three Column "Holy Grail"
tableless templates work are few and couched in W3 double talk.
You want to be an anti-table evangelist? Learn how to stand up in
front of the church and preach in English, not Greek (Geek?).
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| Andy Dingley 2006-11-05, 11:43 pm |
|
johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com wrote:
> Seems to be hundreds of excellant web pages on CSS coding and
> tutorials.
Sadly there are also thousands of bad ones! It's knowing where to
look that's important.
Personally I just like books. I like the screen contrast, I like the
portability, I like the thickness of them. How many 400 page CSS
tutorials are there on the web?
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| johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com 2006-11-05, 11:44 pm |
|
TS Moderator wrote:
> You want to be an anti-table evangelist? Learn how to stand up in
> front of the church and preach in English, not Greek (Geek?).
Personally, I am just now learning how to walk with CSS. I am content
with just dumping all the font garbage.
That should take my 100K web pages well below the 100K mark.
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| Matt Probert 2006-11-05, 11:44 pm |
| On 13 Oct 2006 05:35:15 -0700, "TS Moderator" <TruckSafety@XXXXXXXXXX>
wrote:
>Thanks Andy. Actually Meyer used the term "replaced element" in his
>book "Cascading Style Sheets: The Definitive Guide". When a guy writes
>a book on Style Sheets purporting to explain the standard, you
>shouldn't have to go to the standard to understand what his book is
>talking about, because if the standard was so damn clear, you wouldn't
>need to be reading his book in the first place.
>
In short, if the reader cant understand what you are writing, you are
a crap writer.
Any pseud can concoct some psychobabble with which to perplex the less
articulate, but it takes a clever bloke to say things in a way
everyone understands.
Matt
--
Woe to him that willfully innovates, while ignorant of the constant.
http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com
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| Matt Probert 2006-11-05, 11:44 pm |
| On 13 Oct 2006 07:37:37 -0700, "Andy Dingley" <dingbat@codesmiths.com>
wrote:
>
>johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com wrote:
>
>
>Sadly there are also thousands of bad ones! It's knowing where to
>look that's important.
>
>Personally I just like books. I like the screen contrast, I like the
>portability, I like the thickness of them. How many 400 page CSS
>tutorials are there on the web?
>
I like the smell. The feel. Yes I'm weird. But I love books!
Matt
--
Woe to him that willfully innovates, while ignorant of the constant.
http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com
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| Baho Utot 2006-11-05, 11:44 pm |
| Matt Probert wrote:
>
>
> On 12 Oct 2006 21:21:27 -0700, "TS Moderator" <TruckSafety@XXXXXXXXXX>
> wrote:
>
>
> Have you tried the Apache 2 manual?
>
> Talk about taking the piss!
>
> Matt
>
>
That would be Rick Bowen, You can contact him at apache.org.
--
Dancin' in the ruins tonight
Tayo'y Mga Pinoy
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| johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com 2006-11-05, 11:44 pm |
|
Andy Dingley wrote:
> Personally I just like books. I like the screen contrast, I like the
> portability, I like the thickness of them. How many 400 page CSS
> tutorials are there on the web?
Perhaps then, you are in the wrong profession?
You should publish books rather than web pages, if you are so anti-web
pages. :(
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| patrick j 2006-11-05, 11:44 pm |
| On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:37:37 +0100, Andy Dingley wrote
(in article <1160750257.485602.22790@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> ):
> Personally I just like books. I like the screen contrast, I like the
> portability, I like the thickness of them. How many 400 page CSS
> tutorials are there on the web?
I like them as well.
If I sit staring at a computer screen for lengthy periods eventually I
get a low pitch buzzing in my ears.
I'm sure some day the problems of computer screens will be resolved but
until then I find books to be a great thing :)
--
Patrick
Brighton, UK
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| Jerry Stuckle 2006-11-05, 11:44 pm |
| patrick j wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:37:37 +0100, Andy Dingley wrote
> (in article <1160750257.485602.22790@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> ):
>
>
>
>
> I like them as well.
>
> If I sit staring at a computer screen for lengthy periods eventually I
> get a low pitch buzzing in my ears.
>
> I'm sure some day the problems of computer screens will be resolved but
> until then I find books to be a great thing :)
>
Don't worry - it's only your brain snoring.
--
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Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================
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| Blinky the Shark 2006-11-05, 11:44 pm |
| patrick j wrote:
> If I sit staring at a computer screen for lengthy periods eventually I
> get a low pitch buzzing in my ears.
Do you get the same thing with both CRTs and LCDs?
--
Blinky RLU 297263
Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project: http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html
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| Andrew 2006-11-05, 11:44 pm |
| On 13 Oct 2006 06:41:50 -0700, "TS Moderator" <TruckSafety@XXXXXXXXXX>
wrote:
>
>johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com wrote:
snip>>>>>>>>[color=darkred]
>
>You want to be an anti-table evangelist? Learn how to stand up in
>front of the church and preach in English, not Greek (Geek?).
Hi TS,
Just to muddy the waters a little more: it is a pity that more people
do not speak in church in Greek. This is after all the original
language of the New Testament (+ a very small amount of Aramaic).
But I guess it does illustrate a point that an effort to understand
source documents in their original language is a worthwhile effort.
Although I would not perhaps stretch this to the convoluted prose of
the W3C :-)
Andrew
--
Andrew
http://www.andrews-corner.org/
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| Matt Probert 2006-11-05, 11:44 pm |
| On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 01:06:56 GMT, Baho Utot <baho-utot@kumusta.org>
wrote:
>Matt Probert wrote:
>
>
>That would be Rick Bowen, You can contact him at apache.org.
>
I could contact him, but would I be able to understand his reply?
Matt
--
Woe to him that willfully innovates, while ignorant of the constant.
http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com
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| Andy Dingley 2006-11-05, 11:44 pm |
|
Andrew wrote:
> Just to muddy the waters a little more: it is a pity that more people
> do not speak in church in Greek. This is after all the original
> language of the New Testament (+ a very small amount of Aramaic).
Except of course in Texas, where Governor Ma Ferguson explained:
"If the King's English was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough
for me!"
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| Charles Sweeney 2006-11-05, 11:44 pm |
| Andy Dingley wrote
>
> Andrew wrote:
>
>
>
> Except of course in Texas, where Governor Ma Ferguson explained:
>
> "If the King's English was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough
> for me!"
LOL!
--
Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com
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| patrick j 2006-11-05, 11:44 pm |
| On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 03:35:26 +0100, Blinky the Shark wrote
(in article <slrnej0j93.jd8.no.spam@thurston.blinkynet.net> ):
> patrick j wrote:
>
>
> Do you get the same thing with both CRTs and LCDs?
Yes :(
--
Patrick
Brighton, UK
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| Baho Utot 2006-11-05, 11:44 pm |
| patrick j wrote:
>
> If I sit staring at a computer screen for lengthy periods eventually I
> get a low pitch buzzing in my ears.
>
That would be your wife asking you to take the trash out :)
--
Dancin' in the ruins tonight
Tayo'y Mga Pinoy
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| Matt Probert 2006-11-05, 11:44 pm |
| On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 13:56:24 GMT, Baho Utot <baho-utot@kumusta.org>
wrote:
>
>Sure if you understand english, Now if you can't read or speak english that
>would be a problem.
>You can read and speak english can't you?
>
I can. But can he speak it? I appreciate that English is not your fisr
language, Baho, so you may be at a disadvantage with regard to judging
the quality of his language, but I can assure you that the Apache 2
manual is very poorly written.
Matt
--
Woe to him that willfully innovates, while ignorant of the constant.
http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com
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| Baho Utot 2006-11-05, 11:44 pm |
| Matt Probert wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 13:56:24 GMT, Baho Utot <baho-utot@kumusta.org>
> wrote:
>
>
> I can. But can he speak it? I appreciate that English is not your fisr
> language, Baho, so you may be at a disadvantage with regard to judging
> the quality of his language, but I can assure you that the Apache 2
> manual is very poorly written.
>
> Matt
>
>
Well I understand it just fine, I am running Apache-2.2.2 DAV SSL here.
A while ago I tried to speak/help to 2 English men from the UK or so they
said.
They were trying to get information from a woman in charge of the tour
(guide) they were on.
They confused us both.
One would say "Quite So" repeatily... I was thinking quite so what? What is
he talking about?
Now the other kept saying "I say...I say" but he never said anything.
I told them if they were to get help from her, they would have to talk
proper English. Then the guide would understand them and answer their
questions.
--
Dancin' in the ruins tonight
Tayo'y Mga Pinoy
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| Blinky the Shark 2006-11-05, 11:44 pm |
| patrick j wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 03:35:26 +0100, Blinky the Shark wrote
> (in article <slrnej0j93.jd8.no.spam@thurston.blinkynet.net> ):
>
>
> Yes :(
An I the first to say, "that's kinda bizarre"?
--
Blinky RLU 297263
Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project: http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html
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| Charles Sweeney 2006-11-05, 11:44 pm |
| Baho Utot wrote
> A while ago I tried to speak/help to 2 English men from the UK or so
> they said.
>
> They were trying to get information from a woman in charge of the tour
> (guide) they were on.
>
> They confused us both.
>
> One would say "Quite So" repeatily... I was thinking quite so what?
> What is he talking about?
Quite so.
> Now the other kept saying "I say...I say" but he never said anything.
He was about to tell you a joke.
> I told them if they were to get help from her, they would have to talk
> proper English. Then the guide would understand them and answer their
> questions.
LOL! Now Baho is telling Englishmen how to speak their own language.
--
Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com
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| patrick j 2006-11-05, 11:44 pm |
| On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 19:26:12 +0100, Blinky the Shark wrote
(in article <slrnej2avp.4hl.no.spam@thurston.blinkynet.net> ):
> patrick j wrote:
>
> An I the first to say, "that's kinda bizarre"?
It's just my body's way of telling me I'm getting eye-strain.
This began a few years ago but it is in fact welcome because it is
better than what used to happen.
It used to be that if I sat looking at a computer screen for too long
then the following day I would have a thundering head-ache.
Now all that happens is that if I am at the computer too long I get a
very slight buzzing in the ears.
As long as I stop using the computer it goes away.
It's definitely progress.
--
Patrick
Brighton, UK
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| Blinky the Shark 2006-11-05, 11:44 pm |
| patrick j wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 19:26:12 +0100, Blinky the Shark wrote
> (in article <slrnej2avp.4hl.no.spam@thurston.blinkynet.net> ):
>
>
> It's just my body's way of telling me I'm getting eye-strain.
>
> This began a few years ago but it is in fact welcome because it is
> better than what used to happen.
>
> It used to be that if I sat looking at a computer screen for too long
> then the following day I would have a thundering head-ache.
>
> Now all that happens is that if I am at the computer too long I get a
> very slight buzzing in the ears.
>
> As long as I stop using the computer it goes away.
>
> It's definitely progress.
Yeah, I guess it is. As for me, my vision just blurs to tell me to walk
away for a while. Frustrating to someone who use to have
better-than-normal vision.
--
Blinky RLU 297263
Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project: http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html
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| Matt Probert 2006-11-05, 11:44 pm |
| On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 18:04:58 GMT, Baho Utot <baho-utot@kumusta.org>
wrote:
>
>A while ago I tried to speak/help to 2 English men from the UK or so they
>said.
>
>They were trying to get information from a woman in charge of the tour
>(guide) they were on.
>
>They confused us both.
>
>One would say "Quite So" repeatily... I was thinking quite so what? What is
>he talking about?
>
>Now the other kept saying "I say...I say" but he never said anything.
>
>I told them if they were to get help from her, they would have to talk
>proper English. Then the guide would understand them and answer their
>questions.
>
Quite so
Matt
--
Woe to him that willfully innovates, while ignorant of the constant.
http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com
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| Matt Probert 2006-11-05, 11:44 pm |
| On 14 Oct 2006 19:03:27 GMT, Charles Sweeney <me@charlessweeney.com>
wrote:
>
>LOL! Now Baho is telling Englishmen how to speak their own language.
Quite so.
I often wonder how visitors to Newcastle, or the rural parts of the
country cope <g>
Heck, even here in Southampton some people ask others where they've
left their tractor!
Oi be from amp-shire, I be!
Matt
--
Woe to him that willfully innovates, while ignorant of the constant.
http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com
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| Baho Utot 2006-11-05, 11:44 pm |
| Matt Probert wrote:
>
>
> On 14 Oct 2006 19:03:27 GMT, Charles Sweeney <me@charlessweeney.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Quite so.
>
> I often wonder how visitors to Newcastle, or the rural parts of the
> country cope <g>
>
> Heck, even here in Southampton some people ask others where they've
> left their tractor!
>
> Oi be from amp-shire, I be!
>
> Matt
>
>
say What?
--
Dancin' in the ruins tonight
Tayo'y Mga Pinoy
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| Karl Groves 2006-11-05, 11:44 pm |
| www@probertencyclopaedia.com (Matt Probert) wrote in news:4531f3b7.1615843
@news.madasafish.com:
> On 14 Oct 2006 19:03:27 GMT, Charles Sweeney <me@charlessweeney.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Quite so.
>
> I often wonder how visitors to Newcastle, or the rural parts of the
> country cope <g>
>
> Heck, even here in Southampton some people ask others where they've
> left their tractor!
>
> Oi be from amp-shire, I be!
>
I find it quite odd that someone with such strong socialist leanings would
exhibit such prejudice against the lower classes.
--
Karl Groves
www.karlcore.com
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| Matt Probert 2006-11-05, 11:44 pm |
| On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 07:39:22 -0500, Karl Groves
<karl@NOSPAMkarlcore.com> wrote:
>www@probertencyclopaedia.com (Matt Probert) wrote in news:4531f3b7.1615843
>@news.madasafish.com:
>
>
>I find it quite odd that someone with such strong socialist leanings would
>exhibit such prejudice against the lower classes.
>
ROTFL!
You don't understand British society. We have regional dialects that
vary even within cities (London being a classic example). The
Hampshire accent is not one of class, but one of locality.
I'm not even sure if we have a class system anymore here. If we do, it
certainly isn't characterised by mode of speech or financial
well-being, and farmers in Britain are certainly not "lower class",
they are characterised by a movement known as the "countryside
alliance", all fox-hunting and "tally-ho".
HTH
Matt
--
Woe to him that willfully innovates, while ignorant of the constant.
http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com
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| William Tasso 2006-11-05, 11:45 pm |
| Fleeing from the madness of the The Probert Encyclopaedia jungle
Matt Probert <www@probertencyclopaedia.com> stumbled into
news:alt.www.webmaster
and said:
> On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 07:39:22 -0500, Karl Groves
> <karl@NOSPAMkarlcore.com> wrote:
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> ROTFL!
>
> You don't understand British society. We have regional dialects that
> vary even within cities (London being a classic example). The
> Hampshire accent is not one of class, but one of locality.
>
> I'm not even sure if we have a class system anymore here. If we do, it
> certainly isn't characterised by mode of speech or financial
> well-being, and farmers in Britain are certainly not "lower class",
> they are characterised by a movement known as the "countryside
> alliance", all fox-hunting and "tally-ho".
Frankly I'd say the rules of Cricket are easier to master.
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| Baho Utot 2006-11-05, 11:45 pm |
| William Tasso wrote:
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> Frankly I'd say the rules of Cricket are easier to master.
>
I didn't know that crickets had rules?
Why would I want to follow their laws?
Do they have a higher order as well?
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| Andrew 2006-11-05, 11:45 pm |
| On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:05:00 GMT, Baho Utot <baho-utot@kumusta.org>
wrote:
>William Tasso wrote:
>
>
>I didn't know that crickets had rules?
>
>Why would I want to follow their laws?
>
>Do they have a higher order as well?
Hi,
The 'higher order' is of course the Australian cricket team.
Andrew
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| Jerry Stuckle 2006-11-05, 11:45 pm |
| William Tasso wrote:
> Fleeing from the madness of the The Probert Encyclopaedia jungle
> Matt Probert <www@probertencyclopaedia.com> stumbled into
> news:alt.www.webmaster
> and said:
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> Frankly I'd say the rules of Cricket are easier to master.
>
I'm sure you're correct, William.
But I don't understand Cricket, either, so my opinion isn't worth the
$0.02 it cost you to download and read this :-)
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| William Tasso 2006-11-05, 11:45 pm |
| Fleeing from the madness of the Customer of AAPT Pty Ltd jungle
Andrew <sorry.no.email@post_NG.com> stumbled into news:alt.www.webmaster
and said:
> On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:05:00 GMT, Baho Utot <baho-utot@kumusta.org>
> wrote:
>
Only one Cricket has rules.
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That is for you to decide.
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>
> Hi,
>
> The 'higher order' is of course the Australian cricket team.
We'll see :)
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| William Tasso 2006-11-05, 11:45 pm |
| Fleeing from the madness of the jungle
Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> stumbled into
news:alt.www.webmaster
and said:
> William Tasso wrote:
>
> I'm sure you're correct, William.
>
> But I don't understand Cricket, either,
exactly :)
> so my opinion isn't worth the $0.02 it cost you to download and read
> this :-)
nonsense, your opinion is always valued here, even if I disagree <g>
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William Tasso
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| Matt Probert 2006-11-05, 11:45 pm |
| >
>Frankly I'd say the rules of Cricket are easier to master [than the English class system].
>
Quite so.
<bg>
Matt
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