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OT? A marketing question
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| Hey guys, I'm looking for opinions again :-)
I just created a "link network" on my site, and I was hoping for some
feedback. Here it is: http://www.eyardsale.com/help/links.asp
I'm really NOT a marketing expert and could use some guidance. Please let
me know what you think .
Thanks in advance
--
Lori
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| William Tasso 2005-09-24, 6:20 pm |
| Writing in news:alt.www.webmaster
From the safety of the Bell Sympatico cafeteria
Lori <learn@webfreeks.com> said:
> Hey guys, I'm looking for opinions again :-)
>
> I just created a "link network" on my site,
I know - having just read about it over there ---->
When you get round to researching 'oe quotefix', perhaps you could also
research the benefits of cross-posting as compared to the considerably
less efficient multi-posting.
> and I was hoping for some
> feedback. Here it is: http://www.eyardsale.com/help/links.asp
links, in and out, work best for you when they are relevant to the content
on your page. I guess it depends on the motivation for the link. Mine
are placed to give sites a start with the spiders, they really don't need
to live much longer than a week or two, but often I leave them around for
a bit longer if they're useful to the target visitor (possibly myself <g> ).
> I'm really NOT a marketing expert and could use some guidance. Please
> let me know what you think .
Some folk spend a lot of time/energy collecting inbound links in the hope
it will raise their serps profile.
The link text is important and frankly each page needs to be carefully
considered.
In your case: I think it would be worth trying to get links from sites
that address local (to you) issues.
--
William Tasso
Lovely are recruiting citizens - http://citizensrequired.com/
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| William Tasso wrote:
>
> I know - having just read about it over there ---->
>
> When you get round to researching 'oe quotefix', perhaps you could
> also research the benefits of cross-posting as compared to the
> considerably less efficient multi-posting.
Got quote fix (Dylan advised me about it already) - but keep forgetting to
open it, instead of my regular express. I'll do better next time (head
hanging in shame).
As for cross posting - I do, however I create *special* messages for this
group :-)
--
Lori
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| DoobieDo 2005-09-24, 6:21 pm |
| In article <zScZe.254$Bi.99495@news20.bellglobal.com>,
learn@webfreeks.com says...
> Hey guys, I'm looking for opinions again :-)
>
> I just created a "link network" on my site, and I was hoping for some
> feedback. Here it is: http://www.eyardsale.com/help/links.asp
>
> I'm really NOT a marketing expert and could use some guidance. Please let
> me know what you think .
>
> Thanks in advance
> --
> Lori
>
>
>
>
*I* think you got enough hits from the "I'm nekid" teaser without us all
hitting your site again.... go do your own homework and google it...
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| DoobieDo wrote:
> *I* think you got enough hits from the "I'm nekid" teaser without us
> all hitting your site again.... go do your own homework and google
> it...
I've done my home work - thank you very much, but I when I asked my question
I was actually looking for some expert opinions (like William's response).
I have no problem admitting that I'm new at this and don't see an issue with
asking for guidance.
Oh - and thank you very much for taking some of the fun out of our game. I
feel much more in my place now.
--
Lori
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| Eric Jarvis 2005-09-24, 6:21 pm |
| Lori learn@webfreeks.com wrote in
<zScZe.254$Bi.99495@news20.bellglobal.com>:
> Hey guys, I'm looking for opinions again :-)
>
> I just created a "link network" on my site, and I was hoping for some
> feedback. Here it is: http://www.eyardsale.com/help/links.asp
>
> I'm really NOT a marketing expert and could use some guidance. Please let
> me know what you think .
>
> Thanks in advance
>
Without even looking I can see one serious weakness in the idea. You are
losing just about every single possible advantage you might gain from the
links when it comes to the search engines. DON'T separate links from
content, search engines will rate both links and content as less important
of you do so. Organise outbound links so that they are on pages that have
relevant content and with relevant link text. NEVER call a page or a
directory "links".
There's also a problem for a user of the site. By and large they aren't
going to your site to look for "links". They won't find the links useful
unless you organise them in a way that places relevant links on the page
at which the user will realise the link might be useful.
--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
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| Alan Little 2005-09-25, 3:21 am |
| Carved in mystic runes upon the very living rock, the last words of Lori
of alt.www.webmaster make plain:
> DoobieDo wrote:
>
>
> I've done my home work - thank you very much, but I when I asked my
> question I was actually looking for some expert opinions (like
> William's response). I have no problem admitting that I'm new at this
> and don't see an issue with asking for guidance.
>
> Oh - and thank you very much for taking some of the fun out of our
> game. I feel much more in my place now.
Don't mind M[rs] Doo***Do. He/She/It apparently gets its kicks from
knocking newbs. It likes to think it speaks for everyone, but I've told
it, its imaginary friends don't count.
--
Alan Little
Phorm PHP Form Processor
http://www.phorm.com/
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| Charles Sweeney 2005-09-25, 6:28 pm |
| Lori wrote
> Hey guys, I'm looking for opinions again :-)
>
> I just created a "link network" on my site, and I was hoping for some
> feedback. Here it is: http://www.eyardsale.com/help/links.asp
>
> I'm really NOT a marketing expert and could use some guidance. Please
> let me know what you think .
Looks perfectly good to me, linked from your help page.
Links aren't a big deal, I find the links pages are usually the quietest
on a site. You will read a lot of hocus-pocus about search engine
ranking and links, most of which you should ignore.
I would leave it as it is, and get on with the the stuff that really
matters!
--
Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com
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| Charles Sweeney 2005-09-25, 6:28 pm |
| Alan Little wrote
> Don't mind M[rs] Doo***Do. He/She/It apparently gets its kicks from
> knocking newbs. It likes to think it speaks for everyone, but I've told
> it, its imaginary friends don't count.
I was about to call it a prick, but I suppose I Don't need to now!
--
Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com
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| Alan Little wrote:
> Don't mind M[rs] Doo***Do. He/She/It apparently gets its kicks from
> knocking newbs. It likes to think it speaks for everyone, but I've
> told it, its imaginary friends don't count.
It's really disheartening for me to see a post like his, and new people
could be turned away from this forum if they receive that kind of a response
(I almost unsubscribed to this group after seeing his response). People like
him are really quite sick. Anyone who enjoys hurting others should take up
a new hobby - I suggest self-mutilation.
I come from a background of sharing knowledge with others, not withholding
it from them. This forum has been an excellent source of guidance for me,
and I listen to people's responses to my questions, and implement their
suggestions into my site. There are SO many awesome and helpful people who
use this forum - and I am grateful to them for sharing their expertise.
Everyone is a "newb"at some point, and learning is a never ending process.
It's so sad that people like him want to ruin it for others.
--
Lori
http://www.eYardsale.com
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| Lori wrote
> It's really disheartening for me to see a post like his, and new people
> could be turned away from this forum if they receive that kind of a
response
This is usenet. Sooner or later you get thumped by some prick or some
pedant. I get thumped myself every now and then (today!, in another group)
and I consider myself a regular. You just have to get used to it. Break out
your tinfoil hat and your sense of humour, or your sense of the ridiculous
and take in your stide :-)
> (I almost unsubscribed to this group after seeing his response).
I did once. For two months. Withdrawl sympoms forced me back.
<snippily>
> Everyone is a "newb"at some point, and learning is a never ending process.
Indeed.
Even for a !newb there is still a lot to learn, and a lot to learn from this
and other groups.
> It's so sad that people like him want to ruin it for others.
Where is your hat?
BTW I failed dismally in your treasure hunt. Pitifully. Disasterally.
Dreadfully. Are you ever going to provide the answer? The URL to the pic of
your good self? I don't want to beg Mr Sweeney's help :-)
Cheers
Richard.
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| Charles Sweeney 2005-09-25, 6:28 pm |
| rf wrote
[of Lori]
> BTW I failed dismally in your treasure hunt. Pitifully. Disasterally.
> Dreadfully. Are you ever going to provide the answer? The URL to the
> pic of your good self? I don't want to beg Mr Sweeney's help :-)
Thanks Richard. I've just about got through the first thousand emails
asking for the link.
--
Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com
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| Charles Sweeney wrote
> rf wrote
>
> [of Lori]
>
>
> Thanks Richard. I've just about got through the first thousand emails
> asking for the link.
ROFL
You *did* advertise that you were the first to crack it :-)
Cheers
Richard.
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| William Tasso 2005-09-25, 6:28 pm |
| Writing in news:alt.www.webmaster
From the safety of the BigPond Internet Services cafeteria
rf <@invalid.com> said:
> Lori wrote
>
> Where is your hat?
Indeed - it's easy to forget the way this group looks from the perspective
of a newcomer. So many new names and personalities - it takes a while to
build up immunity.
> BTW I failed dismally in your treasure hunt. Pitifully. Disasterally.
> Dreadfully. Are you ever going to provide the answer? The URL to the pic
> of
> your good self? I don't want to beg Mr Sweeney's help :-)
Whilst making it absolutely clear that I am not refering to Mr Sweeney, I
can confirm that at least two of the regulars here were sufficiently
motivated to request assistance with that particular task.
--
William Tasso
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| "rf" wrote
>
> response
>
> This is usenet. Sooner or later you get thumped by some prick or some
> pedant. I get thumped myself every now and then (today!, in another group)
> and I consider myself a regular. You just have to get used to it. Break
> out
> your tinfoil hat and your sense of humour, or your sense of the ridiculous
> and take in your stide :-)
>
>
> Where is your hat?
My hat is now in place, I'm out of tinfoil, my husband is on the phone to
the men with the white coats and straight jackets. Am I a full-fledged
member now? :-)
--
Lori
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| Lori wrote:
> "rf" wrote
>
>
> My hat is now in place, I'm out of tinfoil, my husband is on the phone to
> the men with the white coats and straight jackets. Am I a full-fledged
> member now? :-)
Only if you can convince your husband to cancel the men with the white
coats, because the only cure is a 24/7 hotline with AWW.
--
Els http://locusmeus.com/
Sonhos vem. Sonhos vão. O resto é imperfeito.
- Renato Russo -
Now playing: Annie Lennox - Little Bird
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| Alan Little 2005-09-25, 6:29 pm |
| Carved in mystic runes upon the very living rock, the last words of Els
of alt.www.webmaster make plain:
> Lori wrote:
>
>
> Only if you can convince your husband to cancel the men with the white
> coats, because the only cure is a 24/7 hotline with AWW.
That, and more cowbell.
--
Alan Little
Phorm PHP Form Processor
http://www.phorm.com/
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| Alan Little 2005-09-25, 6:29 pm |
| Carved in mystic runes upon the very living rock, the last words of Lori
of alt.www.webmaster make plain:
> Alan Little wrote:
>
>
> It's really disheartening for me to see a post like his, and new
> people could be turned away from this forum if they receive that kind
> of a response (I almost unsubscribed to this group after seeing his
> response).
You just have to tune it out. Ignore it, like a little yapping dog
straining at the end of its leash.
--
Alan Little
Phorm PHP Form Processor
http://www.phorm.com/
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| Toby Inkster 2005-09-25, 6:29 pm |
| William Tasso wrote:
> Whilst making it absolutely clear that I am not refering to Mr Sweeney, I
> can confirm that at least two of the regulars here were sufficiently
> motivated to request assistance with that particular task.
I found it. Didn't need any help. :-)
--
Toby A Inkster BSc (Hons) ARCS
Contact Me ~ http://tobyinkster.co.uk/contact
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| Toby Inkster wrote:
> William Tasso wrote:
>
>
> I found it. Didn't need any help. :-)
How many pages viewed before you got there? :-)
--
Els http://locusmeus.com/
Sonhos vem. Sonhos vão. O resto é imperfeito.
- Renato Russo -
Now playing: Status Quo - ROADHOUSE - Roadhouse Blues - The Wanderer
- Marguerita Time - Living On An Island - Break The Rules
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| William Tasso 2005-09-25, 6:29 pm |
| Writing in news:alt.www.webmaster
From the safety of the LocusMeus.com cafeteria
Els <els.aNOSPAM@tiscali.nl> said:
> Toby Inkster wrote:
>
>
> How many pages viewed before you got there? :-)
Define 'viewed' in this context ;)
--
William Tasso
Lovely are recruiting citizens - http://citizensrequired.com/
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| William Tasso wrote:
> Writing in news:alt.www.webmaster
> From the safety of the LocusMeus.com cafeteria
> Els <els.aNOSPAM@tiscali.nl> said:
>
>
> Define 'viewed' in this context ;)
Merely loaded into the browser window and quickly looked at :P
--
Els http://locusmeus.com/
Sonhos vem. Sonhos vão. O resto é imperfeito.
- Renato Russo -
Now playing: The Beatles - Honey Pie
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| Toby Inkster 2005-09-25, 6:29 pm |
| Els wrote:
> How many pages viewed before you got there? :-)
Probably about 15 to 20.
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Toby A Inkster BSc (Hons) ARCS
Contact Me ~ http://tobyinkster.co.uk/contact
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| Toby Inkster wrote:
> Els wrote:
>
>
> Probably about 15 to 20.
Well done :-)
--
Els http://locusmeus.com/
Sonhos vem. Sonhos vão. O resto é imperfeito.
- Renato Russo -
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| "Charles Sweeney"
> Thanks Richard. I've just about got through the first thousand emails
> asking for the link.
oops - I should have mentioned that responding to emails about me is part of
the President of the fan club's job responsibilities. *GRIN*
--
Lori
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| Lori wrote:
> http://www.earthgoddessmagazine.com/erotica.html
Ta.
Nice. Artistic, obviously. The pointing of the toes gives it away, your
friend is a good photographer, pays attention to details. This was the best
of how many, how long was the sitting ^H laying?
Much better than that photo in Mir's thread of those guys with their cocks
in socks :-)
BTW the reason I failed the test becomes obvious.You said "there is a link
on my site". I (not thinking outside the square) assumed that the offending
image is also on your site so I did not pursue offsite links :-( A well
planned treasure hunt indeed.
Cheers
Richard.
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| "rf" wrote
> Lori wrote:
>
>
> Ta.
>
> Nice. Artistic, obviously. The pointing of the toes gives it away, your
> friend is a good photographer, pays attention to details. This was the
> best
> of how many, how long was the sitting ^H laying?
Actually this was not the "best" one from the shoot, it's the one that I
felt the most comfortable posting to the web. There are several other shots
in different poses, and some outdoor shots that were also amazing.
Nicole and I spent about 4 hours taking pictures of each other, and shot
about four rolls of film. Taking the outdoor shots was really funny. We
were in a relatively public location (but no one was around). Taking turns,
we'd get undressed, pose, and them scramble to get back into our clothes.
LOL
BTW - here is Nicole's pic:
http://www.earthgoddessmagazine.com
> Much better than that photo in Mir's thread of those guys with their cocks
> in socks :-)
eek - I'm glad I missed those pics.
--
Lori
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| Blinky the Shark 2005-09-26, 6:49 pm |
| rf wrote:
> Lori wrote:
>
>
> Ta.
>
> Nice. Artistic, obviously. The pointing of the toes gives it away, your
> friend is a good photographer, pays attention to details. This was the best
> of how many, how long was the sitting ^H laying?
>
> Much better than that photo in Mir's thread of those guys with their cocks
> in socks :-)
Missed that. Was that the infamous Red Hot Chili Peppers album cover?
--
Blinky Linux Registered User 297263
Killing All Posts from GG: http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html
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| Blinky the Shark wrote:
>
> Missed that. Was that the infamous Red Hot Chili Peppers album cover?
It was :-)
--
Els http://locusmeus.com/
Sonhos vem. Sonhos vão. O resto é imperfeito.
- Renato Russo -
Now playing: The Kinks - All Day And All Of The Night
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| Charles Sweeney 2005-09-26, 6:49 pm |
| Lori wrote
> "Charles Sweeney"
>
>
> oops - I should have mentioned that responding to emails about me is
> part of the President of the fan club's job responsibilities. *GRIN*
And it's an honour to do it. My email server has just crashed under the
load, since you mentioned there were other pics from the photo shoot.
I don't know, maybe the President should keep a copy of the pictures, to
ease distribution?
--
Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com
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| Dylan Parry 2005-09-26, 6:50 pm |
| Using a pointed stick and pebbles, Charles Sweeney scraped:
> I don't know, maybe the President should keep a copy of the pictures, to
> ease distribution?
You just want the ones that turned out to be less-than artistic, don't you?
--
Dylan Parry
http://webpageworkshop.co.uk -- FREE Web tutorials and references
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the
subject" - Sir Winston Churchill
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| "Charles Sweeney" wrote
>
> And it's an honour to do it. My email server has just crashed under the
> load, since you mentioned there were other pics from the photo shoot.
>
> I don't know, maybe the President should keep a copy of the pictures, to
> ease distribution?
LOL!!
A noble attempt, and I can't blame a guy for trying :-)
--
Lori
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| Charles Sweeney 2005-09-26, 10:20 pm |
| Dylan Parry wrote
> Using a pointed stick and pebbles, Charles Sweeney scraped:
>
>
> You just want the ones that turned out to be less-than artistic, don't
> you?
I'm sure with young Lori as the subject matter, they will *all* be works of
art!
--
Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com
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| Blinky the Shark 2005-09-26, 10:20 pm |
| Charles Sweeney wrote:
> Dylan Parry wrote
>
>
> I'm sure with young Lori as the subject matter, they will *all* be works of
> art!
I think there's an obvious need for a gallery section of 'em.
--
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Killing All Posts from GG: http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html
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|
| "Blinky the Shark" wrote in message
>
> I think there's an obvious need for a gallery section of 'em.
>
You guys are making me blush!
Hmmm... as for the gallery, I'll consider it. This is all a little more
"exposure" than I'm used to! LOL
--
Lori
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| William Tasso 2005-09-27, 3:31 am |
| Writing in news:alt.www.webmaster
From the safety of the Bell Sympatico cafeteria
Lori <learn@webfreeks.com> said:
> "Blinky the Shark" wrote in message
>
>
> You guys are making me blush!
There you go, teasing again :)
> Hmmm... as for the gallery, I'll consider it.
heh - I sense a plan hatching
> This is all a little more "exposure" than I'm used to! LOL
Hey, don't knock it - "use it or lose it" as they say.
--
William Tasso
Lovely are recruiting citizens - http://citizensrequired.com/
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| Dylan Parry 2005-09-27, 6:31 am |
| Using a pointed stick and pebbles, Lori scraped:
> You guys are making me blush!
How can we tell without some colour photos? :\
--
Dylan Parry
http://electricfreedom.org -- Where the Music Progressively Rocks!
"If you can find something everyone agrees on, it's wrong" - Mo Udall
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|
| "William Tasso" wrote in
> Hmmm... as for the gallery, I'll consider it.
>
> heh - I sense a plan hatching
There could be a plan formulating as we speak! Any great suggestions guys?
Just me? Nicole? Other women? if yes, do you know anyone who would submit
their pictures? If I build it will you visit? Trashy suggestions will be
placed where they belong - in the garbage.
No promises at this point - just collecting information - and thinking about
it really really hard.
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| Charles Sweeney 2005-09-27, 6:32 am |
| Lori wrote
> "William Tasso" wrote in
>
> There could be a plan formulating as we speak! Any great suggestions
> guys? Just me? Nicole? Other women? if yes, do you know anyone who
> would submit their pictures? If I build it will you visit? Trashy
> suggestions will be placed where they belong - in the garbage.
>
> No promises at this point - just collecting information - and thinking
> about it really really hard.
Don't do it!!
--
Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com
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| Dylan Parry 2005-09-27, 6:32 am |
| Using a pointed stick and pebbles, Charles Sweeney scraped:
> Don't do it!!
Seconded. No matter how artistic your pictures are, if you put a
collection of them online they will still be viewed by many as softcore
pornography (and treated as such by dirty boys).
One picture on its own, to me at least, does look artistic, but half a
dozen or more (or less maybe?) will look like a porn gallery.
--
Dylan Parry
http://electricfreedom.org -- Where the Music Progressively Rocks!
"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on
its shoes" - Mark Twain
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|
| Charles Sweeney wrote:
> Lori wrote
>
>
> Don't do it!!
Why not?
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|
| Dylan Parry wrote:
> Using a pointed stick and pebbles, Charles Sweeney scraped:
>
>
> Seconded. No matter how artistic your pictures are, if you put a
> collection of them online they will still be viewed by many as
> softcore pornography (and treated as such by dirty boys).
>
> One picture on its own, to me at least, does look artistic, but half a
> dozen or more (or less maybe?) will look like a porn gallery.
That's what I was thinking too. I'm not sure if there is a tasteful way to
do it
--
Lori
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| Dylan Parry 2005-09-27, 6:32 am |
| Using a pointed stick and pebbles, Lori scraped:
> That's what I was thinking too. I'm not sure if there is a tasteful way to
> do it
Exactly. It'll be hard ensuring that you do it tastefully, and even if
you reach a point where you think it is, I have no doubt that others
will still treat it as porn. Put bluntly, do you really want to have a
bunch of dirty old men jacking off over pictures of you and Nicole?
You're best off not going ahead with any of it and keeping out of the
murky waters altogether :)
--
Dylan Parry
http://electricfreedom.org -- Where the Music Progressively Rocks!
"Under every stone lurks a politician" - Aristophanes
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| Dylan Parry wrote:
> Using a pointed stick and pebbles, Lori scraped:
>
>
> Exactly. It'll be hard ensuring that you do it tastefully, and even if
> you reach a point where you think it is, I have no doubt that others
> will still treat it as porn. Put bluntly, do you really want to have a
> bunch of dirty old men jacking off over pictures of you and Nicole?
>
> You're best off not going ahead with any of it and keeping out of the
> murky waters altogether :)
Alright then! You've convinced me! That was what I was thinking about the
whole thing to begin with.
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| Charles Sweeney 2005-09-27, 7:13 pm |
| Dylan Parry wrote
> Put bluntly, do you really want to have a
> bunch of dirty old men jacking off over pictures of you and Nicole?
God almighty, that *was* blunt!
(And what about dirty *young* men!?)
--
Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com
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| Charles Sweeney 2005-09-27, 7:13 pm |
| Lori wrote
> Charles Sweeney wrote:
>
> Why not?
Most people won't appreciate the art. Besides, it will take time and
energy away from Ebay II!
--
Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com
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| Dylan Parry 2005-09-27, 7:13 pm |
| Using a pointed stick and pebbles, Charles Sweeney scraped:
>
> God almighty, that *was* blunt!
What can I say? Sometimes it helps to single out one reason in a forest
of trees and cut the rest down so you can see the big picture in a small
way :)
Besides, it *did* help Lori make up her mind about things!
> (And what about dirty *young* men!?)
Granted, they exist too, but it doesn't have the same ring to it!
--
Dylan Parry
http://electricfreedom.org -- Where the Music Progressively Rocks!
"Simplicity is the peak of civilization" - Jessie Sampter
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|
| Charles Sweeney wrote:
> Dylan Parry wrote
>
>
> God almighty, that *was* blunt!
>
> (And what about dirty *young* men!?)
The girls.
What about the girls?
Cheers
Richard.
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| Charles Sweeney 2005-09-27, 7:13 pm |
| rf wrote
> Charles Sweeney wrote:
>
> The girls.
> What about the girls?
That's different.
--
Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com
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|
| Charles Sweeney wrote:
I admire people who get right to the point.
[color=darkred]
>
> That's different.
Different? Please explain yourself. :-)
--
Lori
http://www.eYardsale.com
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| Charles Sweeney 2005-09-28, 6:35 pm |
| Lori wrote
> Charles Sweeney wrote:
>
> Different? Please explain yourself. :-)
No chance!
:o)
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http://CharlesSweeney.com
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| Baho Utot 2005-09-28, 6:36 pm |
| On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 04:37:18 -0400, Lori shouted Hoy......
>
>
> "William Tasso" wrote in
>
> There could be a plan formulating as we speak! Any great suggestions guys?
> Just me? Nicole? Other women? if yes, do you know anyone who would submit
> their pictures? If I build it will you visit? Trashy suggestions will be
> placed where they belong - in the garbage.
>
> No promises at this point - just collecting information - and thinking about
> it really really hard.
First of all if you don't know I am Filipino so if I don't english this
correctly please forgive me.
I think you should do what you want to. If it is alright with your
husband, then I would encourage you to do this. I have read what charles
and Dylan has said and I very much disagree. You are a very beautiful
woman how could your photo be interpreded as porn? There are a lot of
artistic photos and most are not offended. You will always have the nasty
ones that Dylan is talking about, pay them no mind. Just think of the
enjoyment you and your friend may get from this experience. We Filipinos
like to have a experience with most things so are willing to try new
things, some work out and some do not but that is how life works. The
Filipino society is very different from the West. For example you may see
women breast feeding children in public, it is a natural thing and we
here are not the least offended. Similairly your photos are of a
natural and beautiful art form, so why is it bad if you wish to express
that? It is not, and it is only natural, that is the way life works.
--
Tayo'y Mga Pinoy
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| Dylan Parry 2005-09-28, 6:36 pm |
| Using a pointed stick and pebbles, Baho Utot scraped:
> Filipino society is very different from the West. For example you may see
> women breast feeding children in public,
It's not that it doesn't happen in the West. I've seen two women breast
feeding in public over the last few weeks; one was on the beach, and the
other was in the dinosaur exhibit of the Natural History Museum (!) in
London. Of course, if that sort of thing happened all the time then I
probably wouldn't have remembered or even noticed it.
--
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http://webpageworkshop.co.uk -- FREE Web tutorials and references
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| Baho Utot 2005-09-28, 6:36 pm |
| On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 22:59:42 +0100, Dylan Parry shouted Hoy......
>
>
> Using a pointed stick and pebbles, Baho Utot scraped:
>
>
> It's not that it doesn't happen in the West. I've seen two women breast
> feeding in public over the last few weeks; one was on the beach, and the
> other was in the dinosaur exhibit of the Natural History Museum (!) in
> London. Of course, if that sort of thing happened all the time then I
> probably wouldn't have remembered or even noticed it.
But does it happen all the time?
My example is that it happens everyday here,all the time and again we
think that it is only natural and there is no shame.
--
Tayo'y Mga Pinoy
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| Charles Sweeney 2005-09-28, 10:33 pm |
| Baho Utot wrote
[Artistic nudes - Lori in particular!]
> First of all if you don't know I am Filipino so if I don't english
> this correctly please forgive me.
>
> I think you should do what you want to. If it is alright with your
> husband, then I would encourage you to do this. I have read what
> charles and Dylan has said and I very much disagree. You are a very
> beautiful woman how could your photo be interpreded as porn? There
> are a lot of artistic photos and most are not offended. You will
> always have the nasty ones that Dylan is talking about, pay them no
> mind. Just think of the enjoyment you and your friend may get from
> this experience. We Filipinos like to have a experience with most
> things so are willing to try new things, some work out and some do
> not but that is how life works. The Filipino society is very different
> from the West. For example you may see women breast feeding children
> in public, it is a natural thing and we here are not the least
> offended. Similairly your photos are of a natural and beautiful art
> form, so why is it bad if you wish to express that? It is not, and it
> is only natural, that is the way life works.
Looks like we've hit a pet favourite of Baho's. Haven't seen such a
long post from him for ages!
--
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http://CharlesSweeney.com
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| Alan Little 2005-09-28, 10:33 pm |
| Carved in mystic runes upon the very living rock, the last words of Baho
Utot of alt.www.webmaster make plain:
> On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 04:37:18 -0400, Lori shouted Hoy......
>
>
> First of all if you don't know I am Filipino so if I don't english
> this correctly please forgive me.
>
> I think you should do what you want to. If it is alright with your
> husband, then I would encourage you to do this. I have read what
> charles and Dylan has said and I very much disagree. You are a very
> beautiful woman how could your photo be interpreded as porn? There
> are a lot of artistic photos and most are not offended. You will
> always have the nasty ones that Dylan is talking about, pay them no
> mind. Just think of the enjoyment you and your friend may get from
> this experience. We Filipinos like to have a experience with most
> things so are willing to try new things, some work out and some do
> not but that is how life works. The Filipino society is very different
> from the West. For example you may see women breast feeding children
> in public, it is a natural thing and we here are not the least
> offended. Similairly your photos are of a natural and beautiful art
> form, so why is it bad if you wish to express that? It is not, and it
> is only natural, that is the way life works.
AOL (no, I don't mean I'm Filipino)
If it's something you want to do, I'd say go ahead. The others make some
valid observations, but beauty, as well as porn, is in the eye of the
beholder. You have the opportunity to add some beauty to the world. Sure,
there may be some who find it who will view it otherwise, but that's
always the case. Some, to this day, would consider L'Origine du Monde to
be porn, but I think it's one of the most compelling pieces of art ever
created:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%E2%80%99Origine_du_monde (nudity)
If it's something you want to do, don't let what others may think change
your mind. Likewise, if it's something you're not comfortable with, then
don't let someone else make you feel like you should.
--
Alan Little
Phorm PHP Form Processor
http://www.phorm.com/
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| Blinky the Shark 2005-09-29, 3:25 am |
| Alan Little wrote:
> If it's something you want to do, I'd say go ahead. The others make
> some valid observations, but beauty, as well as porn, is in the eye of
> the beholder. You have the opportunity to add some beauty to the
> world. Sure, there may be some who find it who will view it otherwise,
> but that's always the case. Some, to this day, would consider
> L'Origine du Monde to be porn, but I think it's one of the most
> compelling pieces of art ever created:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%E2%80%99Origine_du_monde (nudity)
I was happy to read that that's probably not another "Whistler's Mother"
painting.
That would be a little too kinky. :)
--
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Killing All Posts from GG: http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html
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| Leonard Blaisdell 2005-09-29, 3:25 am |
| In article <slrndjml8b.9vg.no.spam@thurston.blinkynet.net>,
Blinky the Shark <no.spam@box.invalid> wrote:
> Alan Little wrote:
>
> I was happy to read that that's probably not another "Whistler's Mother"
> painting.
>
> That would be a little too kinky. :)
I prefer the sheer beauty of the ravaging woman in "American Gothic". I
haven't seen her face in years, yet her image haunts me. She could
certainly grant wood.
leo
--
<http://web0.greatbasin.net/~leo/
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| Blinky the Shark 2005-09-29, 3:25 am |
| Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
> In article <slrndjml8b.9vg.no.spam@thurston.blinkynet.net>,
> Blinky the Shark <no.spam@box.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
> I prefer the sheer beauty of the ravaging woman in "American Gothic". I
> haven't seen her face in years, yet her image haunts me. She could
> certainly grant wood.
Heh. :)
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|
| Baho Utot wrote:
> First of all if you don't know I am Filipino so if I don't english
> this correctly please forgive me.
>
> I think you should do what you want to. If it is alright with your
> husband, then I would encourage you to do this. I have read what
> charles and Dylan has said and I very much disagree. You are a very
> beautiful woman how could your photo be interpreded as porn? There
> are a lot of artistic photos and most are not offended. You will
> always have the nasty ones that Dylan is talking about, pay them no
> mind. Just think of the enjoyment you and your friend may get from
> this experience. We Filipinos like to have a experience with most
> things so are willing to try new things, some work out and some do
> not but that is how life works. The Filipino society is very
> different from the West. For example you may see women breast
> feeding children in public, it is a natural thing and we here are
> not the least offended. Similairly your photos are of a
> natural and beautiful art form, so why is it bad if you wish to
> express that? It is not, and it is only natural, that is the way
> life works.
You make some very valid points here. In North America, woman have been
totally objectified though media, advertising, etc for decades. The human
body is beautiful (both male and female) and it is perfectly natural. We
seem to lean towards a more conservative perspective about art and the human
body. And then there are those who take it to an extreme and view all
nudity as porn.
Another point - I breastfed my son in public once. I could not believe how
both men and women looked at me. Actually, I shouldn't say "Looked" it was
more like leered, gawked, ogled (sp?), etc. I couldn't believe their
reactions to the most natural thing in the entire world...
--
Lori
http://www.eYardsale.com
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|
| Alan Little wrote:
> AOL (no, I don't mean I'm Filipino)
>
> If it's something you want to do, I'd say go ahead. The others make
> some valid observations, but beauty, as well as porn, is in the eye
> of the beholder. You have the opportunity to add some beauty to the
> world. Sure, there may be some who find it who will view it
> otherwise, but that's always the case. Some, to this day, would
> consider L'Origine du Monde to be porn, but I think it's one of the
> most compelling pieces of art ever created:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%E2%80%99Origine_du_monde (nudity)
This IS an amazing and compelling piece of art. I don't understand why a
celebration of women's beauty and form could be undermined in such a way -
but then again I am a girl and lacking in testosterone :-)
> If it's something you want to do, don't let what others may think
> change your mind. Likewise, if it's something you're not comfortable
> with, then don't let someone else make you feel like you should.
I'm actually thinking about a happy-medium type of scenario. Nicole and I
are discussing options. It's her site and I'm just her "lovely assistant"
and contributor when it comes to the content of her site.
--
Lori
http://www.eYardsale.com
| |
|
| Lori wrote:
> Baho Utot wrote:
>
[snip]
[color=darkred]
> Another point - I breastfed my son in public once. I could not believe how
> both men and women looked at me. Actually, I shouldn't say "Looked" it was
> more like leered, gawked, ogled (sp?), etc. I couldn't believe their
> reactions to the most natural thing in the entire world...
I can only speak for myself, but I've breastfed both my kids, and I'd
just do it whenever they were hungry. Never had any strange looks that
I remember really, the only thing I found weird were the women who
asked me if the kid wasn't too old for it. (I didn't stop after the
all too common "obligatory" 3 months)
--
Els http://locusmeus.com/
Sonhos vem. Sonhos vão. O resto é imperfeito.
- Renato Russo -
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| William Tasso 2005-09-29, 6:27 pm |
| Writing in news:alt.www.webmaster
From the safety of the LocusMeus.com cafeteria
Els <els.aNOSPAM@tiscali.nl> said:
> ...
> only thing I found weird were the women who
> asked me if the kid wasn't too old for it. (I didn't stop after the
> all too common "obligatory" 3 months)
is it 'little britain' that does the "bitty" sketches?
--
William Tasso
| |
|
| William Tasso wrote:
> Writing in news:alt.www.webmaster
> From the safety of the LocusMeus.com cafeteria
> Els <els.aNOSPAM@tiscali.nl> said:
>
>
> is it 'little britain' that does the "bitty" sketches?
No idea - please elaborate..
"Bitty"? Is that about kids biting when they get teeth? They don't
really - once they understand that biting means no milk, they learn
very quickly. I was bitten only once, and in a reflex I squeezed the
boy's face quite firmly - he was shocked and never did it again. Was
before teeth btw :-)
--
Els http://locusmeus.com/
Sonhos vem. Sonhos vão. O resto é imperfeito.
- Renato Russo -
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|
|
| William Tasso 2005-09-29, 6:27 pm |
| Writing in news:alt.www.webmaster
From the safety of the LocusMeus.com cafeteria
Els <els.aNOSPAM@tiscali.nl> said:
> William Tasso wrote:
>
>
> No idea - please elaborate..
ok
> "Bitty"? Is that about kids biting when they get teeth?
No - it's the boy's pet name for his mother's breast.
The boy is in his late 20s and the scenes always include his fiance and
occasionally her parents.
Bizare in text - hilarious on screen.
--
William Tasso
| |
|
| William Tasso wrote:
>
> No - it's the boy's pet name for his mother's breast.
>
> The boy is in his late 20s and the scenes always include his fiance and
> occasionally her parents.
>
> Bizare in text - hilarious on screen.
The pictures Dylan linked to look a bit erm... bizar I guess - you're
sure it's hilarious? :-)
--
Els http://locusmeus.com/
Sonhos vem. Sonhos vão. O resto é imperfeito.
- Renato Russo -
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| Charles Sweeney 2005-09-29, 6:27 pm |
| William Tasso wrote
> Writing in news:alt.www.webmaster
> From the safety of the LocusMeus.com cafeteria
> Els <els.aNOSPAM@tiscali.nl> said:
>
> No - it's the boy's pet name for his mother's breast.
>
> The boy is in his late 20s and the scenes always include his fiance
and
> occasionally her parents.
>
> Bizare in text - hilarious on screen.
Disgusting!
--
Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com
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| William Tasso 2005-09-29, 6:27 pm |
| Writing in news:alt.www.webmaster
From the safety of the LocusMeus.com cafeteria
Els <els.aNOSPAM@tiscali.nl> said:
> William Tasso wrote:
>
>
> The pictures Dylan linked to look a bit erm... bizar I guess - you're
> sure it's hilarious? :-)
oh yes, most definately - like any good comedy, presentation and timing
are key factors.
--
William Tasso
Lovely are recruiting citizens - http://citizensrequired.com/
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| Alan Little 2005-09-29, 6:27 pm |
| Carved in mystic runes upon the very living rock, the last words of Els
of alt.www.webmaster make plain:
> Lori wrote:
>
>
> [snip]
>
>
> I can only speak for myself, but I've breastfed both my kids, and I'd
> just do it whenever they were hungry. Never had any strange looks that
> I remember really
But of course, Holland != America (or Canada).
--
Alan Little
Phorm PHP Form Processor
http://www.phorm.com/
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|
| Alan Little wrote:
> Carved in mystic runes upon the very living rock, the last words of Els
> of alt.www.webmaster make plain:
>
>
> But of course, Holland != America (or Canada).
Which I find strange still. Well, not that it isn't the same country,
but that the reaction towards nudity is so different.
--
Els http://locusmeus.com/
Sonhos vem. Sonhos vão. O resto é imperfeito.
- Renato Russo -
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| Dylan Parry 2005-09-29, 6:27 pm |
| Using a pointed stick and pebbles, Els scraped:
>
> Which I find strange still. Well, not that it isn't the same country,
> but that the reaction towards nudity is so different.
Well a lot of American's would imagine the British with a stiff upper
lip still, whereas their country is far more Victorian in attitude. For
example, in Britain we can swear and show our arses[1] on TV!
______
[1] Of course, we are far too refined for that sort of thing, but one
could if one wished. We are British after all. ;)
--
Dylan Parry
http://electricfreedom.org -- Where the Music Progressively Rocks!
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| Alan Little 2005-09-29, 6:27 pm |
| Carved in mystic runes upon the very living rock, the last words of Dylan
Parry of alt.www.webmaster make plain:
> Using a pointed stick and pebbles, Els scraped:
>
>
> Well a lot of American's would imagine the British with a stiff upper
> lip still, whereas their country is far more Victorian in attitude. For
> example, in Britain we can swear and show our arses[1] on TV!
::sigh:: Ah, such advanced concepts of civilization. We primitives can
only hope we achieve that level some day. :)
--
Alan Little
Phorm PHP Form Processor
http://www.phorm.com/
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|
| Dylan Parry wrote:
> Using a pointed stick and pebbles, Els scraped:
>
>
> Well a lot of American's would imagine the British with a stiff upper
> lip still, whereas their country is far more Victorian in attitude.
> For example, in Britain we can swear and show our arses[1] on TV!
We can do that in Canada too! :-)
> ______
> [1] Of course, we are far too refined for that sort of thing, but one
> could if one wished. We are British after all. ;)
--
Lori
http://www.eYardsale.com
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| GreyWyvern 2005-09-29, 6:27 pm |
| And lo, Dylan Parry didst speak in alt.www.webmaster:
> Using a pointed stick and pebbles, Els scraped:
>
>
> Well a lot of American's would imagine the British with a stiff upper
> lip still, whereas their country is far more Victorian in attitude.
Can you blame them? They are still using miles and inches!
Grey
--
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pitfall corollory that nothing is ridiculous.
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from your website!
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| Dylan Parry 2005-09-29, 6:28 pm |
| Using a pointed stick and pebbles, GreyWyvern scraped:
> Can you blame them? They are still using miles and inches!
Heh! Britain uses the full complement of Metric *and* Imperial units of
measurement. Life just wouldn't be the same if we didn't buy our petrol
by the litre and then measure miles to the gallon :)
--
Dylan Parry
http://electricfreedom.org -- Where the Music Progressively Rocks!
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| William Tasso 2005-09-29, 6:28 pm |
| Writing in news:alt.www.webmaster
From the safety of the cafeteria
Dylan Parry <usenet@dylanparry.com> said:
> Using a pointed stick and pebbles, GreyWyvern scraped:
>
>
> Heh! Britain uses the full complement of Metric *and* Imperial units of
> measurement. Life just wouldn't be the same if we didn't buy our petrol
> by the litre and then measure miles to the gallon :)
and carpet looms (all over the world) are 12' wide
--
William Tasso
Lovely are recruiting citizens - http://citizensrequired.com/
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| Baho Utot 2005-09-29, 6:28 pm |
| On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 06:09:25 -0400, Lori shouted Hoy......
>
>
> Baho Utot wrote:
>
>
> You make some very valid points here. In North America, woman have been
> totally objectified though media, advertising, etc for decades. The human
> body is beautiful (both male and female) and it is perfectly natural. We
> seem to lean towards a more conservative perspective about art and the human
> body. And then there are those who take it to an extreme and view all
> nudity as porn.
>
> Another point - I breastfed my son in public once. I could not believe how
> both men and women looked at me. Actually, I shouldn't say "Looked" it was
> more like leered, gawked, ogled (sp?), etc. I couldn't believe their
> reactions to the most natural thing in the entire world...
Yes it does point to difference in our societies.
Are you going to keep us updated on your dicessions or progress?
Any way do have fun as life is short and fleeting.
Salamat po
--
Tayo'y Mga Pinoy
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| Baho Utot 2005-09-29, 6:28 pm |
| On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 01:17:07 +0000, Charles Sweeney shouted Hoy......
>
>
> Baho Utot wrote
>
[putulin]
>
> Looks like we've hit a pet favourite of Baho's. Haven't seen such a
> long post from him for ages!
No charles, as usual you take thing out of context.
With all the negative responses she got I wanted to present the other side.
The only favourite pet of my is living life the way it should be, to the
fullest and knot so much as living life according to the others.
Life is beautiful and most people are beautiful, I won't let a few rotten
apples spoil life for me nor should it spoil others life.
Ikaw charles, mahirap at matigas ulo.
And that is all I am going to say.
--
Tayo'y Mga Pinoy
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| Charles Sweeney 2005-09-29, 10:28 pm |
| Baho Utot wrote
> The only favourite pet of my is living life the way it should be, to
> the fullest and knot so much as living life according to the others.
>
> Life is beautiful and most people are beautiful, I won't let a few
> rotten apples spoil life for me nor should it spoil others life.
Agreed. But that's not what I was saying.
> Ikaw charles, mahirap at matigas ulo.
Been on the rice wine again?
--
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http://CharlesSweeney.com
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