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| JennyLin 2005-08-26, 4:28 am |
| Hello Group,
After recommendation from many in this group, I have redone my photo
Gallery.
You can go off the menu at:
http://wairoa.net
or straight to Gallery
http://wairoa.net/gallery/gallery.htm
All was done without FP except the gallery menu page.
This because I am not smart enough to do otherwise at this stage.
Needless to say I guess there are lots of html tags I don't need :(
My question is, how can I stop it squashing up when you move the right side
of browser in towards the menu.
The main page
http://wairoa.net/index.htm
uses a scroll bar along the bottom, how can I do the same on
http://wairoa.net/gallery/gallery.htm so that the words on the menu don't
alter there position.
Thanks
Jenny
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| JennyLin wrote:
> http://wairoa.net/gallery/gallery.htm
>
> My question is, how can I stop it squashing up when you move the right
side
> of browser in towards the menu.
Since you are using tables you could specify a size for the table that
contain the links, rather than a % of the browser viewport. Probably use
something like <table style="width: 40em"> so the width of the table adjusts
to the font size the user has selected rather than the size of the browser
window. Adjust the 40 via experimentation.
BTW once you plug in the rest of your doctype (including the URL to the
strict dtd) you will of course not be able to use those deprecated things
like <center> and <font> that FP unwisely put in there for you :-)
In fact if you removed them right now the whole page could be done properly
with a couple of <ul>s with less than a quarter of the code. Maybe even a
tenth.
Cheers
Richard.
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| JennyLin 2005-08-26, 4:28 am |
|
"rf" <@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:2vyPe.10907$FA3.1827@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> JennyLin wrote:
>
> side
>
> Since you are using tables you could specify a size for the table that
> contain the links, rather than a % of the browser viewport. Probably use
> something like <table style="width: 40em"> so the width of the table
> adjusts
> to the font size the user has selected rather than the size of the browser
> window. Adjust the 40 via experimentation.
>
> BTW once you plug in the rest of your doctype (including the URL to the
> strict dtd) you will of course not be able to use those deprecated things
> like <center> and <font> that FP unwisely put in there for you :-)
>
> In fact if you removed them right now the whole page could be done
> properly
> with a couple of <ul>s with less than a quarter of the code. Maybe even a
> tenth.
Yes alas I knew FP would do so, cept I don't know what to take out and what
not to.
Past posts have told me not to use FP. I didn't for the gallery but had to
for the menu ( lacking skills.)
Ok first things first.
Where exactly shall I put that line:
<table style="width: 40em">
Sounds like the answer to my squashed text though, so thanks.
Probably a lot of what FP has added is contributing to the 95 errors I have
on validation.
Oh well I guess its a challenge :)
Thanks
Jenny
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| JennyLin wrote:
> Ok first things first.
> Where exactly shall I put that line:
> <table style="width: 40em">
There is only one <table> tag in this page. Remove the width attribute and
add the style attribute above. I had a play, 30em seems about right.
Cheers
Richard.
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| JennyLin 2005-08-26, 7:52 am |
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"rf" <@invalid.com> wrote in message
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> JennyLin wrote:
>
>
> There is only one <table> tag in this page. Remove the width attribute and
> add the style attribute above. I had a play, 30em seems about right.
>
> Cheers
> Richard.
Excellent, that did it beautifully, many many thanks :)
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| William Tasso 2005-08-26, 7:52 am |
| Writing in news:alt.www.webmaster
From the safety of the Xtra cafeteria
JennyLin <jcaughey@quicksilver.net.nz> said:
> Hello Group,
How do you do?
> After recommendation from many in this group, I have redone my photo
> Gallery.
yee haa
> You can go off the menu at:
> http://wairoa.net
>
> or straight to Gallery
> http://wairoa.net/gallery/gallery.htm
>
> All was done without FP except the gallery menu page.
ok - others have addressed the gallery pages themselves. let's look at
the gallery index.
First thing to do is replace that loose DTD with the strict version -
then lose _*/all/*_ the presentational markup and that script (which is
completely unnecessary).
Remeber to KISS.
Presentational markup includes anything and everything which affects
colour and/or position. In this case it also includes dropping the flag
gif - partly because the way you have it marked up now means there are two
links to every resource.
I've also added alt-text to the logo and wrapped the main page elements,
each in their own <div>.
http://williamtasso.com/usenet/wair...to-index-1.html
Now let's move that logo outtta the way and place it someplace more
sensible. Also it is apparent that the text at the bottom should be a
<p>aragragh. It may not be immediately obvious, but that collection of
links could easily be considered to be a list, so let's mark it up as such.
http://williamtasso.com/usenet/wair...to-index-2.html
> This because I am not smart enough to do otherwise at this stage.
look at the source - you'll see it really is trivial.
When you are happy that the markup contains all the content you can then
move on to styling which is a whole new can of maggots.
btw: it could be argued that the list in that page is actually made up of
several sublists (a list of lists.)
--
William Tasso
** Business as usual
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| JennyLin wrote:
and[color=darkred]
[color=darkred]
> Excellent, that did it beautifully, many many thanks :)
Yep. Much better.
Now to move on to using a <ul> for those links :-)
Did you know that you could use a single CSS property to put *all* of those
wavy flags before the links? One single line of CSS to replace how many
<img> elements?
Cheers
Richard.
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| William Tasso wrote:
> From the safety of the Xtra cafeteria
> JennyLin <jcaughey@quicksilver.net.nz> said:
> http://williamtasso.com/usenet/wair...to-index-2.html
[color=darkred]
> look at the source - you'll see it really is trivial.
Ah, JennyLin, I see William (your hero?) has done much of the work for you.
A CSS teaser:
Contained herein:
http://users.bigpond.net.au/rf/jenny.html
is the single line of CSS I mentioned in my other post.
BTW you really must do something with that flag. Do you know that anything
moving anywhere on a web page instantly draws the eye to itself, to the
detriment of the remaining content.
It comes from when we were all in the jungle, having just descended from the
trees (pre HTML but still valid). Anything that moves *MUST* be looked at.
It just might be a tiger looking for some breakfast.
This is the reason that most bannar ads move. Tricky eh?
Cheers
Richard.
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| JennyLin 2005-08-26, 7:28 pm |
|
"rf" <@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:kyCPe.11150$FA3.4766@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> JennyLin wrote:
>
> Now to move on to using a <ul> for those links :-)
>
> Did you know that you could use a single CSS property to put *all* of
> those
> wavy flags before the links? One single line of CSS to replace how many
> <img> elements?
That whole gallery.htm has 95 errors on validation, so I have my hands full
here.
I am only starting out with this web page writing and I am only at the basic
stage.
Sorry but I am unable to do this yet.
I sorta had a feeling that whole page could be thinned out though. The joys
of FP I am learning fast.
Its fun though, satisfying, so thank you for your input.
Just keeps me up into the early hours of the morning so not sure I like this
new hobby :)
Cheers
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| Jerry Stuckle 2005-08-26, 7:28 pm |
| JennyLin wrote:
> "rf" <@invalid.com> wrote in message
> news:kyCPe.11150$FA3.4766@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
>
>
>
>
> That whole gallery.htm has 95 errors on validation, so I have my hands full
> here.
> I am only starting out with this web page writing and I am only at the basic
> stage.
> Sorry but I am unable to do this yet.
> I sorta had a feeling that whole page could be thinned out though. The joys
> of FP I am learning fast.
>
> Its fun though, satisfying, so thank you for your input.
> Just keeps me up into the early hours of the morning so not sure I like this
> new hobby :)
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
Looks like you're making progress. Only 29 errors now, and most of them are
missing alt tags.
One pet peeve: unnecessary windows. When you click on one of the menu links,
don't open a new page. Rather, display in the current window and place a "Back"
link on the new page.
But this is just me. Others may disagree.
--
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
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| William Tasso 2005-08-26, 7:28 pm |
| Writing in news:alt.www.webmaster
From the safety of the BigPond Internet Services cafeteria
rf <@invalid.com> said:
> William Tasso wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Ah, JennyLin, I see William (your hero?)
bah - humbug
> has done much of the work for you.
>
> A CSS teaser:
>
> Contained herein:
> http://users.bigpond.net.au/rf/jenny.html
> is the single line of CSS I mentioned in my other post.
>
> BTW you really must do something with that flag.
perhaps: http://images.google.com/images?q=new+zealand+flag
> Do you know that anything
> moving anywhere on a web page instantly draws the eye to itself, to the
> detriment of the remaining content.
I was hoping we could quietly drop that, but I guess you're right to make
the point.
> It comes from when we were all in the jungle, having just descended from
> the
> trees (pre HTML but still valid). Anything that moves *MUST* be looked
> at.
> It just might be a tiger looking for some breakfast.
depending on pov - it may be a new item for the breakfast menu :)
> This is the reason that most bannar ads move. Tricky eh?
yep - periphery items shouldn't draw attention to themselves - it's just
not cricket.
oh yes, while I remember, a list of lists:
http://williamtasso.com/usenet/wair...to-index-3.html
--
William Tasso
** Business as usual
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| DoobieDo 2005-08-26, 7:28 pm |
| In article <WeCdnS5OvNvHmpLeRVn-tg@comcast.com>, jstucklex@attglobal.net
says...
>
> One pet peeve: unnecessary windows. When you click on one of the menu links,
> don't open a new page. Rather, display in the current window and place a "Back"
> link on the new page.
>
> But this is just me. Others may disagree.
I agree, it's very irritating
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| JennyLin 2005-08-26, 7:28 pm |
|
"William Tasso" <SpamBlocked@tbdata.com> wrote in message
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> Writing in news:alt.www.webmaster
Ok I have put your very nice validated version up for me to work on. This is
only a mirror site so does not matter if I mess it up, of course I am not
going to. I need to understand all this first before we go on, but you know
this :)
I have printed out stuff but cant find a few things and hopefully you will
explain them for me.
> First thing to do is replace that loose DTD with the strict version -
Why strict please?
> then lose _*/all/*_ the presentational markup and that script (which is
> completely unnecessary).
>
> Remember to KISS.
Yes Boss :)
>
> Presentational markup includes anything and everything which affects
> colour and/or position. In this case it also includes dropping the flag
> gif - partly because the way you have it marked up now means there are two
> links to every resource.
I liked my flags *pout*
>
> I've also added alt-text to the logo and wrapped the main page elements,
> each in their own <div>.
I understand <ul> and <li>
What signifiance does the <div> have.
What does the <a> </a> mean please
What is the signifiance of alt="Discover Wairoa"
>
> http://williamtasso.com/usenet/wair...to-index-1.html
>
> Now let's move that logo outtta the way and place it someplace more
> sensible. Also it is apparent that the text at the bottom should be a
> <p>aragragh. It may not be immediately obvious, but that collection of
> links could easily be considered to be a list, so let's mark it up as
> such.
>
> http://williamtasso.com/usenet/wair...to-index-2.html
>
>
>
> look at the source - you'll see it really is trivial.
Yes its starting to make sense slowly, I am looking.
I need to get off here and read the Tutor stuff I have printed. Tried that
last night at 2-30am, did not work, was asleep before end of first page :)
>
> When you are happy that the markup contains all the content you can then
> move on to styling which is a whole new can of maggots.
Not yet though, need to understand what I have first.
>
> btw: it could be argued that the list in that page is actually made up of
> several sublists (a list of lists.)
>
> --
> William Tasso
>
** Business is Closed. Helping Jenny **
Cheers
Jenny
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| JennyLin 2005-08-26, 7:28 pm |
|
"rf" <@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:m_CPe.11165$FA3.9454@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
> Ah, JennyLin, I see William (your hero?) has done much of the work for
> you.
William ( my Life Saver ) is helping me move away from FP and hopefully
helping me make sense of html :)
>
> A CSS teaser:
>
> Contained herein:
> http://users.bigpond.net.au/rf/jenny.html
> is the single line of CSS I mentioned in my other post.
I dont understand that yet, no doubt that will be future lessons, if my Life
Saver or anyone else sticks with me :)
>
> BTW you really must do something with that flag.
I like my flags *pout*
Do you know that anything
> moving anywhere on a web page instantly draws the eye to itself, to the
> detriment of the remaining content.
>
> It comes from when we were all in the jungle, having just descended from
> the
> trees (pre HTML but still valid). Anything that moves *MUST* be looked at.
> It just might be a tiger looking for some breakfast.
Ok I hear you, flags make have to go, guess I will get over it :(
>
All the other html pages within gallery have 1 and the same error.
If you have time would you explian how to remove and why please Richard.
1.. Error Line 90 column 7: unterminated comment: found end of entity
inside comment.
</html>Check that you are using a proper syntax for you comments, e.g: <!--
comment here -->. This error may appear if you forget the last "--" to close
one comment, therefore including the rest of the content in your comment.
2.. Info Line 12 column 27: comment started here.
<body <!--BodyAttributes-- -->The unfortunate part about this error for me
is there are around 500 pages with this error and hence is going to take
some time to fix :(Thanks for helpCheersJenny
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| JennyLin wrote:
Strewth girl, are you *still* awake?
I only noticed this post because I was just about to switch off the monitors
and hit the bed bigtime :-(
> "rf" <@invalid.com> wrote in message
BTW please put a blank line beween what you are quoting and your reply (like
this). Makes it easier to see *your* words.
[color=darkred]
> I dont understand that yet, no doubt that will be future lessons, if my
Life
> Saver or anyone else sticks with me :)
That'd be your Hero, William? ;-)
Simple CSS. Once you have the HTML bit clear then CSS is the natural
progression. However I really think that both should be explored together.
While CSS is to *add* to HTML the HTML should be written so as to anticipate
this addition.
[moving stuff]
> Ok I hear you, flags make have to go, guess I will get over it :(
> All the other html pages within gallery have 1 and the same error.
> If you have time would you explian how to remove and why please Richard.
Er what, I'm a bit lost here, you seem to have changed stream. What error?
<snip errors>
Oh.
Which page are these errors appearing on?
A problem for the morrow, after Tennis of course :-)
Cheers
Richard.
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| William Tasso 2005-08-26, 7:28 pm |
| Writing in news:alt.www.webmaster
From the safety of the Xtra cafeteria
JennyLin <jcaughey@quicksilver.net.nz> said:
>
> "William Tasso" <SpamBlocked@tbdata.com> wrote in message
> news:op.sv30eia4m9g4qz-wnt@tbdata.com...
> Why strict please?
because ... I say so
or
the loose version allows for more presentational elements and is designed
for folk migrating their sites from earlier versions of HTML. You are not
migrating your site - this is a ground up (or top-down if you prefer)
rewrite. consequently you have no need to use the loose DTD and can jump
straight in to strict.
> I liked my flags *pout*
Using one instance of that flag to draw attention to something really
important (to your visitors) would be a good thing (tm) - Richard has been
very gentle in his comments so far - loose the goddamn flags before it's
too late.
> What signifiance does the <div> have.
almost none - it defines the beginning and end of a block of content
> What does the <a> </a> mean please
these are from your original work, <a> is for anchor. in this case there
are used to define the links.
> What is the signifiance of alt="Discover Wairoa"
When browsing without images, this is the text that will be displayed in
place of the image.
Images used only for decoration have no need of alt text - in markup that
is expressed as alt="", which is a positive statement that this image is
merely eye-candy.
--
William Tasso
** Business as usual
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| JennyLin 2005-08-26, 7:28 pm |
|
> Jerry said:
> Looks like you're making progress. Only 29 errors now, and most of them
> are missing alt tags.
None now, the others have me starting from scratch out of FP :)
>
> One pet peeve: unnecessary windows. When you click on one of the menu
> links, don't open a new page. Rather, display in the current window and
> place a "Back" link on the new page.
>
> But this is just me. Others may disagree.
No I agree with you but I could only do that in FP and it kept screwing it,
so I gave up.
Would definitely be better.
I will ask my guru's to teach me that a bit further down the track :)
Great input, thanks
Jenny
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| JennyLin 2005-08-26, 7:28 pm |
|
"DoobieDo" <dave@bytext.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d791d2146683017989901@news-text.blueyonder.co.uk...
> In article <WeCdnS5OvNvHmpLeRVn-tg@comcast.com>, jstucklex@attglobal.net
> says...
>
>
> I agree, it's very irritating
So is my lack of knowledge I can assure you :)
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| JennyLin 2005-08-26, 7:28 pm |
|
"William Tasso" <SpamBlocked@tbdata.com> wrote in message
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>
> perhaps: http://images.google.com/images?q=new+zealand+flag
hahaha I love it, well put William :)
>
> I was hoping we could quietly drop that, but I guess you're right to make
> the point.
What! you mean my flags will not be there by the end of the day ?( or week
as the case is going to be )
>
>
> depending on pov - it may be a new item for the breakfast menu :)
>
>
> yep - periphery items shouldn't draw attention to themselves - it's just
> not cricket.
>
> oh yes, while I remember, a list of lists:
> http://williamtasso.com/usenet/wair...to-index-3.html
All printed out and pages compared.
Did you manually have to line that all up?
Jenny
| |
|
| JennyLin wrote:
> The unfortunate part about this error for me is there are around 500
> pages with this error and hence is going to take some time to fix
> :(
If all 500 pages have exactly the same error, get a copy of
multi-replace (I can probably send you one if you can't find a free
version on the net anymore), and search and replace in 500 pages at
the same time. Should be fixed in 30 seconds max.
--
Els http://locusmeus.com/
Sonhos vem. Sonhos vão. O resto é imperfeito.
- Renato Russo -
Now playing: Mötley Crüe - Dr. Feelgood
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| JennyLin 2005-08-26, 7:28 pm |
|
"rf" <@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:Z0FPe.11287$FA3.829@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> JennyLin wrote:
>
> Strewth girl, are you *still* awake?
>
> I only noticed this post because I was just about to switch off the
> monitors
> and hit the bed bigtime :-(
ah ha a kiwi huh and Ihug to boot.
Awake, of course.
You obviously have no stamma :)
>
>
>
> BTW please put a blank line beween what you are quoting and your reply
> (like
> this). Makes it easier to see *your* words.
>
> Life
>
> That'd be your Hero, William? ;-)
Now come on Richard, you know how to be a hero, just throw that life buoy -
Tall dark and rich preferably :)
>
> Simple CSS. Once you have the HTML bit clear then CSS is the natural
> progression. However I really think that both should be explored together.
> While CSS is to *add* to HTML the HTML should be written so as to
> anticipate
> this addition.
>
> [moving stuff]
>
>
>
> Er what, I'm a bit lost here, you seem to have changed stream. What error?
>
> <snip errors>
>
> Oh.
>
> Which page are these errors appearing on?
>
> A problem for the morrow, after Tennis of course :-)
You too huh, Tennis has a habit of keeping me up all night as well.
That error message is on every page through the gallery.
e.g. http://wairoa.net/gallery/lake/lake.htm
and there are around 500 pages of em. Have not counted em, guessing.
Talk to you tomorrow
Jenny
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| William Tasso 2005-08-26, 7:28 pm |
| Writing in news:alt.www.webmaster
From the safety of the Xtra cafeteria
JennyLin <jcaughey@quicksilver.net.nz> said:
>
> "William Tasso" <SpamBlocked@tbdata.com> wrote in message
> news:op.sv37fgvmm9g4qz-wnt@tbdata.com...
> All printed out and pages compared.
What did you print? the page or the source? both would be sensible.
> Did you manually have to line that all up?
all what - there's nothing to it.
nested lists have a default indentation - in all browsers I've used
recently
--
William Tasso
** Business as usual
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| William Tasso 2005-08-26, 7:28 pm |
| Writing in news:alt.www.webmaster
From the safety of the LocusMeus.com cafeteria
Els <els.aNOSPAM@tiscali.nl> said:
> JennyLin wrote:
>
>
> If all 500 pages have exactly the same error, get a copy of
> multi-replace (I can probably send you one if you can't find a free
> version on the net anymore), and search and replace in 500 pages at
> the same time. Should be fixed in 30 seconds max.
Good call - I was going to suggest the TextPad solution, but I think this
would be better atm. and I'm definately not going to queer the pitch with
pre-processor and SSI references just yet.
--
William Tasso
** Business as usual
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| JennyLin 2005-08-26, 7:28 pm |
|
"Els" <els.aNOSPAM@tiscali.nl> wrote in message
news:1tqpmub9i39wb.dlg@locusmeus.com...
> JennyLin wrote:
>
>
> If all 500 pages have exactly the same error, get a copy of
> multi-replace (I can probably send you one if you can't find a free
> version on the net anymore), and search and replace in 500 pages at
> the same time. Should be fixed in 30 seconds max.
Well that sounds easier for sure.
I have downloaded it.
Have 30 days to fix this error :)
Thanks
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| JennyLin 2005-08-26, 7:28 pm |
|
"William Tasso" <SpamBlocked@tbdata.com> wrote in message
news:op.sv4a9mb2m9g4qz-wnt@tbdata.com...
> Writing in news:alt.www.webmaster
> From the safety of the Xtra cafeteria
> JennyLin <jcaughey@quicksilver.net.nz> said:
>
>
> because ... I say so
>
> or
>
> the loose version allows for more presentational elements and is designed
> for folk migrating their sites from earlier versions of HTML. You are not
> migrating your site - this is a ground up (or top-down if you prefer)
> rewrite. consequently you have no need to use the loose DTD and can jump
> straight in to strict.
Ok understand.
>
>
> Using one instance of that flag to draw attention to something really
> important (to your visitors) would be a good thing (tm) - Richard has been
> very gentle in his comments so far - loose the goddamn flags before it's
> too late.
Gee ok if they are really that bad :(
Ok and bed for me also.
I printed this out as well. I shall run outta paper.
Jenny
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| Jerry Stuckle 2005-08-26, 7:28 pm |
| JennyLin wrote:
>
> None now, the others have me starting from scratch out of FP :)
>
>
>
> No I agree with you but I could only do that in FP and it kept screwing it,
> so I gave up.
> Would definitely be better.
> I will ask my guru's to teach me that a bit further down the track :)
> Great input, thanks
> Jenny
>
>
Much better. Here's a hint - you don't need the "target=" parameter on your
href's. Default is to open in the current window/frame (but we don't use
frames, do we? :-) ).
--
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================
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| Jerry Stuckle 2005-08-26, 7:28 pm |
| JennyLin wrote:
> "rf" <@invalid.com> wrote in message
> news:m_CPe.11165$FA3.9454@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
>
>
> William ( my Life Saver ) is helping me move away from FP and hopefully
> helping me make sense of html :)
>
>
> I dont understand that yet, no doubt that will be future lessons, if my Life
> Saver or anyone else sticks with me :)
>
>
>
> I like my flags *pout*
>
> Do you know that anything
>
>
> Ok I hear you, flags make have to go, guess I will get over it :(
>
> All the other html pages within gallery have 1 and the same error.
> If you have time would you explian how to remove and why please Richard.
>
> 1.. Error Line 90 column 7: unterminated comment: found end of entity
> inside comment.
> </html>Check that you are using a proper syntax for you comments, e.g: <!--
> comment here -->. This error may appear if you forget the last "--" to close
> one comment, therefore including the rest of the content in your comment.
>
> 2.. Info Line 12 column 27: comment started here.
> <body <!--BodyAttributes-- -->The unfortunate part about this error for me
> is there are around 500 pages with this error and hence is going to take
> some time to fix :(Thanks for helpCheersJenny
>
>
Jenny,
Actually, it looks like a problem with the validator. Your source has:
<body ><!--BodyAttributes-- -->
This should be correct - you're terminating with "-->", which is the correct
comment termination. However, the validator seems to think there's a space
between the last two dashes - or something else wrong. Perhaps its getting
screwed up by the previous two dashes.
Easiest way is to just to a search/replace, replacing everything after <body >
with an empty string (remove it), as the comment really doesn't add anything
here. There are tools around which will do that - Els mentioned a good one.
--
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================
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|
| Jerry Stuckle
> Actually, it looks like a problem with the validator. Your source has:
>
> <body ><!--BodyAttributes-- -->
>
> This should be correct - you're terminating with "-->", which is the
correct
> comment termination.
Nope. A comment is along the lines of --comment--
Comments are wrapped in <! ... >
So, a a valid comment is <!--comment-->
So is <!--comment-- --another comment-->
<!--comment-- --> is not a valid comment. The second comment is not closed.
Cheers
Richard.
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| Norman L. DeForest 2005-08-26, 11:22 pm |
|
On Sat, 27 Aug 2005, JennyLin wrote:
> "William Tasso" <SpamBlocked@tbdata.com> wrote in message
> news:op.sv37fgvmm9g4qz-wnt@tbdata.com...
>
>
> hahaha I love it, well put William :)
>
> What! you mean my flags will not be there by the end of the day ?( or week
> as the case is going to be )
A compromise:
Use *one* animated flag at the top of the main page and use static,
un-animated images for the rest of the flags.
> All printed out and pages compared.
> Did you manually have to line that all up?
>
> Jenny
You might want to check out the images linked from your work.html page.
I was able to get all of the thumbnails but all of the full-sized images
starting from "Scoopz" to the end of the page (13 images in all) come up
404 (file not found) for me.
I am also wondering why there are a whole bunch of empty table entries
following the Free Law Centre / Tairawhiti Community Law Centre entry.
Enough entries to fill up the row and, perhaps add a horizontal rule
below that last entry should be enough. You have almost a screen full of
empty table cells (except for the JavaScript-generated horizontal lines)
at the end of the page.
I also wonder why the page uses:
<script language="JavaScript1.1">
document.write("<hr noshade='' width='95%'
style='height:1;color:black'>");
</script>
instead of just this without the java script:
<hr noshade='' width='95%' style='height:1;color:black'>
or this:
<hr noshade='' width='95%' style='color: solid black 1px'>
(since Firefox seems to ignore colour specifications for lines and borders
(using grey regardless of your specified colour) if "solid" or some other
visible style (dotted, dashed, double, groove, ridge, inset or outset)
and width is not specified in the style specification.
You should also change this (incomplete and, thus, invalid):
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
<html>
to this:
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
<html>
or this:
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
<html>
A script that removes trailing spaces from your pages might also help.
I reduced the work.htm file by more than 21KB just by removing redundant
trailing spaces at the ends of lines from the file. Some lines have
12 trailing spaces or more (including some with only 4 or 5 significant
characters as in "</td> " instead of "</td>").
^^^^^^^^^^^^ <-- 12 trailing spaces.
(I am experimenting with different ways to get a decent look for that
page[1] that's easily generated by a script[2] and easily changable. It
does complicate learning CSS when not all of the documented CSS is
implemented correctly or at all by Firefox (such as setting a different
colour for top, bottom, left and right borders of a table cell) so trial
and error sometimes seems to be to only way to find out what CSS works and
what doesn't.
I also noticed the occasional possible typo on the page. The inconsistant
spelling of "centre/center" in alt="Wairoa Appliance Centre" and Wairoa
Appliance Center is one example.
[1] Yes, I know my own site isn't fancy. It wasn't designed. It *grew*
like fungus at a time when my only access was with a text-only browser
so I couldn't see what the site would look like graphically without a
long trip to the library or a local Internet Café. Since I am not
selling anything, I'm more interested in *content* and *accessibility*
than appearances. I have only relatively recently gotten a PPP account
and a Windows 98 machine so I can view pages with a graphical browser
and experiment with tables, JavaScript[3] and CSS (all unsupported by
Lynx) and do not have the spare time to revamp my site.
[2] A consistant naming and storing scheme for the thumbnails would allow
one to just store the master image filename (without the .jpg extension
if *.jpg files are all you use) in a database and the thumbnail names
could be generated with a script by appending "_small.jpg" to the stored
name except you have three exceptions that end in "_small1.jpg" instead
of just "_small.jpg". Having to rewrite a script and complicate a
database to handle such exceptions can be avoided by getting rid of
such exceptions.
[3] See sig.
--
Can you Change: N O V A Halifax to N O V A Halifax *
* S C O T I A . S C O T I A .
in 34 moves? (*==Lobster) http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~af380/JSNSPuz.html
(Requires a browser supporting the W3C DOM such as Firefox or IE ver 6)
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| Norman L. DeForest 2005-08-26, 11:22 pm |
|
On Fri, 26 Aug 2005, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> JennyLin wrote:
[snip]
>
> Jenny,
>
> Actually, it looks like a problem with the validator. Your source has:
>
> <body ><!--BodyAttributes-- -->
^^ <-- the culprit
Something like one of these should work:
<body ><!-- BodyAttributes -->
<body ><!-- ==BodyAttributes== -->
For some obscure historical reason related to earlier versions of HTML,
two consecutive '-' characters are/were supposed to turn on and off
commenting within an HTML comment.
In this fictitious example:
<!-- foo -- bar -- foo2 -- bar2 -- foo3 -->
.... only the "foo"s are correctly commented out.
There *MUST* be an even number of pairs of '-' (including the "--" in the
initial "<!--") and preferably there should only be two such pairs, one at
the start and one at the end so nothing within the comment can be treated
as non-commented-out text by ancient browsers written to handle the old
standards.
>
> This should be correct - you're terminating with "-->", which is the correct
> comment termination. However, the validator seems to think there's a space
> between the last two dashes - or something else wrong. Perhaps its getting
> screwed up by the previous two dashes.
It is.
> Easiest way is to just to a search/replace, replacing everything after <body >
> with an empty string (remove it), as the comment really doesn't add anything
> here. There are tools around which will do that - Els mentioned a good one.
Changing "BodyAttributes--" to "BodyAttributes" should fix things.
--
``Why don't you find a more appropiate newsgroup to post this tripe into?
This is a meeting place for a totally differnt kind of "vision impairment".
Catch my drift?'' -- "jim" in alt.disability.blind.social regarding an
off-topic religious/political post, March 28, 2005
| |
| Jerry Stuckle 2005-08-26, 11:22 pm |
| rf wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle
>
>
>
> correct
>
>
>
> Nope. A comment is along the lines of --comment--
>
> Comments are wrapped in <! ... >
>
> So, a a valid comment is <!--comment-->
>
> So is <!--comment-- --another comment-->
>
> <!--comment-- --> is not a valid comment. The second comment is not closed.
>
> Cheers
> Richard.
>
>
Ah, yes. You're correct. I didn't realize you could have blanks between the
trailing "--" and the ">".
--
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================
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| JennyLin 2005-08-26, 11:22 pm |
|
"Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:uKGdnZ2dnZ0ddL-AnZ2dnUrSkt6dnZ2dRVn-z52dnZ0@comcast.com...
>
> Actually, it looks like a problem with the validator. Your source has:
>
> <body ><!--BodyAttributes-- -->
>
> This should be correct - you're terminating with "-->", which is the
> correct comment termination. However, the validator seems to think
> there's a space between the last two dashes - or something else wrong.
> Perhaps its getting screwed up by the previous two dashes.
>
> Easiest way is to just to a search/replace, replacing everything after
> <body > with an empty string (remove it), as the comment really doesn't
> add anything here. There are tools around which will do that - Els
> mentioned a good one.
I tried removing and then I was worse off, I ended up with 5 errors.
So I put it back.
Any other ideas
jenny
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| JennyLin 2005-08-26, 11:22 pm |
|
"rf" <@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:O9NPe.11444$FA3.10020@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> Nope. A comment is along the lines of --comment--
>
> Comments are wrapped in <! ... >
>
> So, a a valid comment is <!--comment-->
>
> So is <!--comment-- --another comment-->
>
> <!--comment-- --> is not a valid comment. The second comment is not
> closed.
>
> Cheers
> Richard.
>
Why would you use these comments, for yourself I guess?
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| JennyLin 2005-08-26, 11:22 pm |
|
"Norman L. DeForest" <af380@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message
news:Pine.GSO.3.95.iB1.0.1050826200614.28363C-100000@halifax.chebucto.ns.ca...
> Something like one of these should work:
>
> <body ><!-- BodyAttributes -->
> <body ><!-- ==BodyAttributes== -->
Thank you, yes it fixes that but then returns 5 new errors.
I have put it back as is for the present.
Unless of course the validating is stopping there for some reason.
Cheers
Jenny
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| William Tasso 2005-08-26, 11:23 pm |
| Writing in news:alt.www.webmaster
From the safety of the Xtra cafeteria
JennyLin <jcaughey@quicksilver.net.nz> said:
>
> "Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:uKGdnZ2dnZ0ddL-AnZ2dnUrSkt6dnZ2dRVn-z52dnZ0@comcast.com...
>
>
> I tried removing and then I was worse off, I ended up with 5 errors.
> So I put it back.
> Any other ideas
hrmm - fix that, then fix the other 5?
--
William Tasso
** Business as usual
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| William Tasso 2005-08-26, 11:23 pm |
| Writing in news:alt.www.webmaster
From the safety of the Xtra cafeteria
JennyLin <jcaughey@quicksilver.net.nz> said:
>
> "rf" <@invalid.com> wrote in message
> news:O9NPe.11444$FA3.10020@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
> Why would you use these comments, for yourself I guess?
yep - documentation
--
William Tasso
** Business as usual
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| JennyLin 2005-08-26, 11:23 pm |
|
"Norman L. DeForest" <af380@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message
news:Pine.GSO.3.95.iB1.0.1050826182810.28363B-100000@halifax.chebucto.ns.ca...
>
> A compromise:
What if I make them smaller?
Thats an excellent compromise :)
>
> You might want to check out the images linked from your work.html page.
> I was able to get all of the thumbnails but all of the full-sized images
> starting from "Scoopz" to the end of the page (13 images in all) come up
> 404 (file not found) for me.
I have been through all photos and all seem fine to me.
>
>
> I am also wondering why there are a whole bunch of empty table entries
> following the Free Law Centre / Tairawhiti Community Law Centre entry.
> Enough entries to fill up the row and, perhaps add a horizontal rule
> below that last entry should be enough. You have almost a screen full of
> empty table cells (except for the JavaScript-generated horizontal lines)
> at the end of the page.
What are you doing in there...lol, I wouldnt look any further than the
gallery as the rest is done in FP and sure to be a mess.
At the bottom of this post I will put the code to the blank page I start
with.
I use front page and it puts all the code in for me.
So I have no idea concerning any unwanted entries.
Eventually when I have learnt all this language I shall hopefully be able to
do this page not using frontpage :)
>
>
> You should also change this (incomplete and, thus, invalid):
>
> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
> <html>
>
> to this:
>
> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
> "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
> <html>
Ok I have done this on the Free law page..
I was told to put that 1 top line on all my html pages so I did.
> or this:
>
> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
> "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
> <html>
>
>
> A script that removes trailing spaces from your pages might also help.
> I reduced the work.htm file by more than 21KB just by removing redundant
> trailing spaces at the ends of lines from the file. Some lines have
> 12 trailing spaces or more (including some with only 4 or 5 significant
> characters as in "</td> " instead of "</td>").
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^ <-- 12 trailing spaces.
I guess thats my typing then, not sure here.
> I also noticed the occasional possible typo on the page. The inconsistant
> spelling of "centre/center" in alt="Wairoa Appliance Centre" and Wairoa
> Appliance Center is one example.
I have checked through all relevant pages but can not find this, which page
is it on please?
Centre is the correct spelling.
>
> [1] Yes, I know my own site isn't fancy. It wasn't designed. It *grew*
> like fungus at a time when my only access was with a text-only browser
> so I couldn't see what the site would look like graphically without a
> long trip to the library or a local Internet Café. Since I am not
> selling anything, I'm more interested in *content* and *accessibility*
> than appearances. I have only relatively recently gotten a PPP account
> and a Windows 98 machine so I can view pages with a graphical browser
> and experiment with tables, JavaScript[3] and CSS (all unsupported by
> Lynx) and do not have the spare time to revamp my site.
and I have it all printed out, so thank you for that :)
> [2] A consistant naming and storing scheme for the thumbnails would allow
> one to just store the master image filename (without the .jpg extension
> if *.jpg files are all you use) in a database and the thumbnail names
> could be generated with a script by appending "_small.jpg" to the
> stored
> name except you have three exceptions that end in "_small1.jpg" instead
> of just "_small.jpg". Having to rewrite a script and complicate a
> database to handle such exceptions can be avoided by getting rid of
> such exceptions.
Yes I understand that, makes much sense.
Many thanks for all that writing Norman, has given me heaps to think about
and check through.
Really appreciated :)
Regards
Jenny
__________________________________________________________________________________________________
Below is my blank page that I start everything from in FP. Is this ok
please?
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
<TITLE>Wairoa Help Centre Page</TITLE>
<META NAME="keywords" CONTENT="wairoa, help, centre, computer, maintenance,
cartoon, fun, history, photo album, Wairoa pics, local news, about Wairoa,
greeting cards, astrology, search, message board">
<META NAME="description" CONTENT="wairoa help centre, computer maintenance,
local news and photos">
</head>
<body bgcolor="#B4B59D" topmargin="2" leftmargin="16">
<p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
</body>
</html>
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| JennyLin 2005-08-26, 11:23 pm |
|
"William Tasso" <SpamBlocked@tbdata.com> wrote in message
news:op.sv48ecldm9g4qz-wnt@tbdata.com...
>
> hrmm - fix that, then fix the other 5?
was hoping you were not going to say that as I have no idea what the other 5
are on about :)
Ok I will fix that one again and puddle with rest.
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| William Tasso 2005-08-27, 4:17 am |
| Writing in news:alt.www.webmaster
From the safety of the Xtra cafeteria
JennyLin <jcaughey@quicksilver.net.nz> said:
> ...
> Below is my blank page that I start everything from in FP. Is this ok
> please?
>
> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
> "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
>
> <html>
>
> <head>
> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
> <TITLE>Wairoa Help Centre Page</TITLE>
> <META NAME="keywords" CONTENT="wairoa, help, centre, computer,
> maintenance,
> cartoon, fun, history, photo album, Wairoa pics, local news, about
> Wairoa,
> greeting cards, astrology, search, message board">
> <META NAME="description" CONTENT="wairoa help centre, computer
> maintenance,
> local news and photos">
>
> </head>
>
> <body bgcolor="#B4B59D" topmargin="2" leftmargin="16">
>
> <p>
>
> <p> </p>
> <p> </p>
>
> </body>
>
> </html>
title, keywords and description should all be personalised for each
individual web document.
place this in your <head> for now ....
<style type="text/css">
body {
color:#000;
background-colour:#b4bf9d;
margin:0;
padding:1ex 1em;
}
</style>
then the body attributes can be dropped ... <body>
--
William Tasso
** Business as usual
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| Jerry Stuckle 2005-08-27, 4:17 am |
| JennyLin wrote:
> "rf" <@invalid.com> wrote in message
> news:O9NPe.11444$FA3.10020@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
>
>
> Why would you use these comments, for yourself I guess?
>
>
Definitely. A good programmer always comments the code. You'll be surprised
how much you've forgotten when you come back to look at your code in six months!
--
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================
| |
|
| JennyLin wrote:
> "William Tasso" <SpamBlocked@tbdata.com> wrote in message
> news:op.sv48ecldm9g4qz-wnt@tbdata.com...
>
> was hoping you were not going to say that as I have no idea what the other
5
> are on about :)
Doesn't matter.
Sometimes an error will cause the validator to simply give up at that point.
In this case this is not unreasonable. You have an un-terminated comment.
How is the validator going to decide exactly where the comment should end.
It's probably thinking that the rest of the page (or up to the next comment)
is the comment.
Once you fix that the validator can then confidently go on to the remainder
of the page and find the subsequent errors. It's a bit like English 101.
There is no point in looking for semantic errors until all the spelling
errors are fixed. Your comment error is a bit like a spelling error.
> Ok I will fix that one again and puddle with rest.
That's the way to do it ;-)
PS. Tennis was good. With my new bat I can fire balls all over the place.
Sometimes they even go in :-)
Cheers
Richard.
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| JennyLin 2005-08-27, 4:17 am |
|
"William Tasso" <SpamBlocked@tbdata.com> wrote in message
news:op.sv5csbfom9g4qz-wnt@tbdata.com...
> title, keywords and description should all be personalised for each
> individual web document.
Yes I change them as I go. This is just my dummy.
>
> place this in your <head> for now ....
>
> <style type="text/css">
> body {
> color:#000;
> background-colour:#b4bf9d;
> margin:0;
> padding:1ex 1em;
> }
> </style>
>
> then the body attributes can be dropped ... <body>
My page is white. I will post below for checking please.
Thanks
Jenny
--------------------------------------------------------------------
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
<TITLE>Wairoa Help Centre Page</TITLE>
<META NAME="keywords" CONTENT="wairoa, help, centre, computer, maintenance,
cartoon, fun, history, photo album, Wairoa pics, local news, about Wairoa,
greeting cards, astrology, search, message board">
<META NAME="description" CONTENT="wairoa help centre, computer maintenance,
local news and photos">
<style type="text/css">
body {
color:#000;
background-colour:#b4bf9d;
margin:0;
padding:1ex 1em;
}
</style>
</head>
</html>
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| JennyLin 2005-08-27, 4:17 am |
|
"Norman L. DeForest" <af380@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message
news:Pine.GSO.3.95.iB1.0.1050826200614.28363C-100000@halifax.chebucto.ns.ca...
I changed it to this as suggested:
<body ><!-- BodyAttributes -->
and now I have this:
Error Line 14 column 6: document type does not allow element "BODY" here.
<body ><!-- BodyAttributes -->Top of page is as below.Thanks
Norman.------------------------------------------------<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC
"-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
<title>Lake Waikaremoana Photo Gallery</title>
<meta name="description" content="lake waikaremoana, wairoa">
<meta name="keywords" content="lake waikaremoana, wairoa, picture, image,
photo, digital, camera, scanner, gallery">
</head>
<body bgcolor="#B4B59D">
<body ><!-- BodyAttributes -->
<center>
<font color="#0000FF" size="+2"><u><b>Lake Waikaremoana Scenic
Gallery</b></u></font>
<font face="Verdana"><br><br>
<font size="2">
<p align="left">Lake Waikaremoana was formed 2200 years ago when a huge
range
slipped into a gorge of what was then the Waikaretaheke River. This formed a
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|
|
| William Tasso 2005-08-27, 4:17 am |
| Writing in news:alt.www.webmaster
From the safety of the Xtra cafeteria
JennyLin <jcaughey@quicksilver.net.nz> said:
> ...
> and now I have this:
> Error Line 14 column 6: document type does not allow element "BODY" here.
> ...
> <body bgcolor="#B4B59D">
>
> <body ><!-- BodyAttributes -->
hrmmm - having more than one body /could/ be useful in some
circumstances. Unfortunately, most of us (and web documents) couldn't
handle the responsibility.
Just one <body> per document.
--
William Tasso
** Business as usual
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| JennyLin 2005-08-27, 4:17 am |
|
"William Tasso" <SpamBlocked@tbdata.com> wrote in message
news:op.sv5grou7m9g4qz-wnt@tbdata.com...
>
> background-color:#b4bf9d;
>
Yep that did it, thank you :)
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| JennyLin 2005-08-27, 4:17 am |
|
"William Tasso" <SpamBlocked@tbdata.com> wrote in message
news:op.sv5gx0v6m9g4qz-wnt@tbdata.com...
>
>
> hrmmm - having more than one body /could/ be useful in some
> circumstances. Unfortunately, most of us (and web documents) couldn't
> handle the responsibility.
Could be quite handy, I could send one to bed to get some sleep :)
>
> Just one <body> per document.
ok, so what, type it like this:
<body bgcolor="#B4B59D">
<!-- BodyAttributes -->
Jenny scratches for solution.
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| William Tasso 2005-08-27, 4:17 am |
| Writing in news:alt.www.webmaster
From the safety of the Xtra cafeteria
JennyLin <jcaughey@quicksilver.net.nz> said:
>
> "William Tasso" <SpamBlocked@tbdata.com> wrote in message
> news:op.sv5gx0v6m9g4qz-wnt@tbdata.com...
>
>
> Could be quite handy, I could send one to bed to get some sleep :)
Exactly what I meant about not being able to handle the responsibility :)
>
> ok, so what, type it like this:
>
> <body bgcolor="#B4B59D">
>
> <!-- BodyAttributes -->
>
> Jenny scratches for solution.
/bands head
look up|right|down|left - as appropriate, didn't we already discuss this
over there ---->
bgcolor is presentational - lose it. All presentational aspects of your
page are best defined by CSS/styles
<!-- BodyAttributes --> is a comment, in this case probably unnecessary
--
William Tasso
** Business as usual
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| JennyLin 2005-08-27, 4:17 am |
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"William Tasso" <SpamBlocked@tbdata.com> wrote in message
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> <!-- BodyAttributes --> is a comment, in this case probably unnecessary
You are right, I removed it.
4 to go :)
Tedious huh :(
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| Blinky the Shark 2005-08-27, 4:17 am |
| rf wrote:
> It comes from when we were all in the jungle, having just descended from the
> trees (pre HTML but still valid). Anything that moves *MUST* be looked at.
> It just might be a tiger looking for some breakfast.
Hey, we didn't all come from those trees. :)
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| Blinky the Shark wrote:
> rf wrote:
>
the[color=darkred]
>
> Hey, we didn't all come from those trees. :)
Ah, yes. Some of us spent a bit of time in a tree. Others remained in the
primaeval soup and evolved to be...
> Blinky the Shark
Cheers
Richard.
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| Blinky the Shark 2005-08-27, 4:19 am |
| rf wrote:[color=darkred]
> Blinky the Shark wrote:
> the
>
> Ah, yes. Some of us spent a bit of time in a tree. Others remained in the
> primaeval soup and evolved to be...
>
Evolution is where you find it. :)
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| Norman L. DeForest 2005-08-27, 7:34 am |
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On Sat, 27 Aug 2005, JennyLin wrote:
> "Norman L. DeForest" <af380@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message
> news:Pine.GSO.3.95.iB1.0.1050826182810.28363B-100000@halifax.chebucto.ns.ca...
>
>
> What if I make them smaller?
> Thats an excellent compromise :)
>
>
>
> I have been through all photos and all seem fine to me.
>
I see what the problem was, now. You moved the locations of the pages and
the locations and names of the images and I was fetching the old version.
While I was in the middle of fetching it was when you moved the images (or
deleted the older copies) and must have been deleting them in the reverse
order to the order on your old web page (the 13 last images linked to on
the page were the first to be moved and/or deleted).
The new Wairoa at Work pages are *much* nicer.
>
> What are you doing in there...lol, I wouldnt look any further than the
> gallery as the rest is done in FP and sure to be a mess.
> At the bottom of this post I will put the code to the blank page I start
> with.
> I use front page and it puts all the code in for me.
> So I have no idea concerning any unwanted entries.
The new pages apparently don't have any spurious empty table cells but the
old Wairoa at Work page had a bunch:
http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~af380/te...oa-work-old.gif
(I can keep it there for a week.)
> Eventually when I have learnt all this language I shall hopefully be able to
> do this page not using frontpage :)
[snip]
>
> I guess thats my typing then, not sure here.
Again, that applies to your old page. I haven't checked the new pages
for trailing spaces yet. (The only text editor I have that allows me to
see trailing spaces without selecting text to see what is highlighted is
my patched version of TED (Tiny Editor) from PC Magazine with a few of my
own enhancements added (including that ability to see where the ends of
text lines are). Alt-V (for "visible") makes it display the CR/LF (or CR
only) at the ends of lines so you could see how many trailing spaces there
were. See "http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~af380/Tips.html#TinyEd" and look
for "NTED".)
>
> I have checked through all relevant pages but can not find this, which page
> is it on please?
> Centre is the correct spelling.
It was on the old version of your Wairoa at Work page. It's correct on
the new pages. I read Usenet in batches using my text account (where I
can only view one thing at a time) and view graphical pages logged into my
PPP account. Between the time I downloaded the URL for your site with my
text account and the time I looked at it with my graphical account, you
had already posted a notice about the update to your site but I missed it
and looked at the old version.
>
> and I have it all printed out, so thank you for that :)
>
>
> Yes I understand that, makes much sense.
I see that you have changed the thumbnail names.
> Many thanks for all that writing Norman, has given me heaps to think about
> and check through.
> Really appreciated :)
>
> Regards
> Jenny
You might want to add some alt text to the images used as link labels
in your menu at:
http://wairoa.net/menu.htm
to make it more usable for any blind visitor using a screen-reader and a
speech synthesizer or any graphically-impaired Luddite^H^H^H^H^H^H^HLynx
user like me who drops by.
This is the uninformative menu I get with Lynx because of the missing alt
text:
: Lighthouse
: [1] [LINK]
:
: [2] [LINK]
:
: [3] [LINK][LINK][LINK]
: [4] [LINK]
:
: [5] [LINK]
:
: [6] [LINK]
:
: [7] [LINK]
: [8] [LINK]
:
: [9] [LINK]
:
: [10] [LINK]
: [11] [LINK]
:
: [12] [LINK]
:
: [13] [LINK]
:
: [14] [LINK]
:
: [15] [LINK]
:
: [16] [LINK]
:
: [17] [LINK]
:
: [18] [LINK]
:
: [19] [LINK]
:
: [20] [LINK]
:
: [21] [LINK]
:
: [22] [LINK]
:
: [23] [LINK]
:
: [24] [LINK]
:
: [25] [LINK]
:
: [26] [LINK]
:
: [27] [LINK]
:
: [28] [LINK]
:
: [29] [LINK]
The chat link and the link to the collection of cartoons are also missing
the target attribute so they open up with Firefox in the menu frame on the
left instead of the large main frame ("rbottom" ?) on the lower right.
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rechargeable (nickel-cadmium). Uses one 9-volt battery, not included."
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| Norman L. DeForest 2005-08-27, 7:34 am |
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On Sat, 27 Aug 2005, JennyLin wrote:
> "William Tasso" <SpamBlocked@tbdata.com> wrote in message
> news:op.sv5csbfom9g4qz-wnt@tbdata.com...
>
>
> Yes I change them as I go. This is just my dummy.
>
^^^^^^[color=darkred]
>
> My page is white. I will post below for checking please.
> Thanks
> Jenny
[snip]
> background-colour:#b4bf9d;
^^^^^^
[snip]
Try changing "colour" to "color". William forgot that the people who
wrote the standards are Yanks who don't know how to properly spell
English. :)
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| Norman L. DeForest 2005-08-27, 7:34 am |
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On Sat, 27 Aug 2005, JennyLin wrote:
> "Norman L. DeForest" <af380@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message
> news:Pine.GSO.3.95.iB1.0.1050826200614.28363C-100000@halifax.chebucto.ns.ca...
>
> I changed it to this as suggested:
> <body ><!-- BodyAttributes -->
>
> and now I have this:
> Error Line 14 column 6: document type does not allow element "BODY" here.
> <body ><!-- BodyAttributes -->Top of page is as below.Thanks
> Norman.------------------------------------------------<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC
> "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>
> <html>
>
> <head>
> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
> <title>Lake Waikaremoana Photo Gallery</title>
> <meta name="description" content="lake waikaremoana, wairoa">
> <meta name="keywords" content="lake waikaremoana, wairoa, picture, image,
> photo, digital, camera, scanner, gallery">
> </head>
>
> <body bgcolor="#B4B59D">
^^^^ <--- one "body" tag
>
> <body ><!-- BodyAttributes -->
^^^^ <--- and another "body" tag.
Remember the old western movies where one guy would say "This town ain't
big enough for the both of us." ? One of the two "body" tags will have
to go.
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| DoobieDo 2005-08-27, 7:49 pm |
| In article <Pine.GSO.3.95.iB1.0.1050827074015.17584C-100000
@halifax.chebucto.ns.ca>, af380@chebucto.ns.ca says...
>
> Remember the old western movies where one guy would say "This town ain't
> big enough for the both of us." ? One of the two "body" tags will have
> to go.
>
>
Sparks sang about it first, then that chap from the Dankness had a
go....
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| DoobieDo 2005-08-27, 7:49 pm |
| In article <Pine.GSO.3.95.iB1.0.1050827073354.17584B-100000
@halifax.chebucto.ns.ca>, af380@chebucto.ns.ca says...
>
>
>
> Try changing "colour" to "color". William forgot that the people who
> wrote the standards are Yanks who don't know how to properly spell
> English. :)
>
I'm sure those yanky types can spell English properly, it's most of the
other words they have problems with ;P
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| Blinky the Shark 2005-08-27, 7:49 pm |
| DoobieDo wrote:
> In article <Pine.GSO.3.95.iB1.0.1050827073354.17584B-100000
> @halifax.chebucto.ns.ca>, af380@chebucto.ns.ca says...
> I'm sure those yanky types can spell English properly, it's most of the
> other words they have problems with ;P
Well, we do know how to spell "yankee".
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| DoobieDo 2005-08-27, 7:49 pm |
| In article <slrndh17db.mu0.no.spam@thurston.blinkynet.net>,
no.spam@box.invalid says...
> DoobieDo wrote:
>
> Well, we do know how to spell "yankee".
>
>
I'd have used the capital Y if spelling it that way...
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| Blinky the Shark 2005-08-27, 7:49 pm |
| DoobieDo wrote:
> In article <slrndh17db.mu0.no.spam@thurston.blinkynet.net>,
> no.spam@box.invalid says...
> I'd have used the capital Y if spelling it that way...
If you knew about that way...
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