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Re: bad news in London
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| Els wrote:
: Playing Mornington Crescent just doesn't sound as much fun anymore
: after reading this :-(
:
: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4659093.stm
yeah been watching that on world news the last half hour or so.
:0( Got a few people to email now...
Heidi
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| Eric Jarvis 2005-07-07, 7:39 pm |
| Heidi blackcat2@XXXXXXXXXX wrote in
<Tn7ze.99833$j51.17851@tornado.texas.rr.com>:
> Els wrote:
> : Playing Mornington Crescent just doesn't sound as much fun anymore
> : after reading this :-(
> :
> : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4659093.stm
>
> yeah been watching that on world news the last half hour or so.
> :0( Got a few people to email now...
>
My best friend should have been at Aldgate East at exactly the wrong
moment. Fortunately she had a hospital appointment this morning. I hope
everyone on the group is fine and the people they care about likewise.
--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
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| On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:35:57 +0100, Eric Jarvis <web@ericjarvis.co.uk>
wrote:
>Heidi blackcat2@XXXXXXXXXX wrote in
><Tn7ze.99833$j51.17851@tornado.texas.rr.com>:
Very scary (and, yes, I have emails out too).
Yesterday was the first day my son took public transporation on his
own. This morning I got a phone I got a call from my ex- asking if I
thought it was safe to let him take the train today! (and, yes, we are
across the pond in the US). My ex- and I both grew up in New York
City and took public transit from an early age, yet he's been a puddle
of nerves letting our 14 y.o. take a very safe public transit line by
himself ;-P
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>My best friend should have been at Aldgate East at exactly the wrong
>moment. Fortunately she had a hospital appointment this morning.
The first time the World Trade Center was bombed, back in the 1990's,
my mother was supposed to be in a room that was demolished in the
attack right at that time - she had called in sick (very unlike her).
> I hope
>everyone on the group is fine and the people they care about likewise.
Same here. My thoughts are with all of you.
--
MGW
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| Matt-the-Hoople 2005-07-07, 7:40 pm |
| In news:175dqipntbew6$.ghd2uc1okycy$.dlg@40tude.net,
Els <els.aNOSPAM@tiscali.nl> walked into the bar with a grape in each
nostril and said to the bartender:
:: Playing Mornington Crescent just doesn't sound as much fun anymore
:: after reading this :-(
::
:: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4659093.stm
Certainly numbing news. My thoughts and prayers are with our UK friends.
Any word from Toby?
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| Matt-the-Hoople wrote:
> In news:175dqipntbew6$.ghd2uc1okycy$.dlg@40tude.net,
> Els <els.aNOSPAM@tiscali.nl> walked into the bar with a grape in each
> nostril and said to the bartender:
>:: Playing Mornington Crescent just doesn't sound as much fun anymore
>:: after reading this :-(
>::
>:: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4659093.stm
>
> Certainly numbing news. My thoughts and prayers are with our UK friends.
>
> Any word from Toby?
No, but then again, his latest post was already Tuesday night, so he
may not even be at work - could be on holidays even.
--
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| SpaceGirl 2005-07-07, 11:44 pm |
| GreyWyvern wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 18:14:45 -0400, Eric Jarvis <web@ericjarvis.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Such as the loss of liberty to own firearms.
>
> (Sorry, I couldn't miss the opportunity ;)
>
> Grey
>
You are a very bad man, Grey :)
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| Red E. Kilowatt 2005-07-07, 11:44 pm |
| "Viper" <venomx@XXXXXXXXXX> wrote in message
news:beize.8636$4U5.3291@trndny03
> Red E. Kilowatt wrote:
>
> Are you not tired of the "dont harm religious buildings" even if
> theres someone shooting at you and killing your fellow soldiers?
Of course, but one has to be very prudent about such things, because no
matter how justified it might be it will still create a backlash. And
that's exactly what "the terrorists" want.
--
Red
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| Eric Jarvis 2005-07-07, 11:44 pm |
| GreyWyvern spam@greywyvern.com wrote in
<op.stkeocm3sl6xfd@greywyvern.belkin>:
> On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 18:14:45 -0400, Eric Jarvis <web@ericjarvis.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>
> Such as the loss of liberty to own firearms.
>
> (Sorry, I couldn't miss the opportunity ;)
>
The right to vote in governments with a policy of restricting them, yes.
--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
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| Steve Sobol 2005-07-07, 11:44 pm |
| Eric Jarvis wrote:
> You can't beat terrorism by increasing security ever upwards.
Of course not. But US airport security needed tweaking anyhow. It sucked
XXX, big time.
Do you know that one of the airports the terrorists flew out of on 9/11
(Logan International, Boston) has widely been regarded as one of the most
horrible airports in the US, security-wise? Do you think that was an accident?
If we'd done better securing our ports and borders in the first place, 9/11
would have been a lot less likely to happen.
> Every extra loss of civil liberties is a small victory for terrorism.
Yes, but that doesn't mean shoddy security is OK. What you're failing to
understand is that airport security was shoddy in this country for years
before 9/11.
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| Viper 2005-07-07, 11:44 pm |
| Red E. Kilowatt wrote:
> "Viper" <venomx@XXXXXXXXXX> wrote in message
> news:beize.8636$4U5.3291@trndny03
>
> Of course, but one has to be very prudent about such things, because
> no matter how justified it might be it will still create a backlash.
> And that's exactly what "the terrorists" want.
Give them what they want. The "holy" people must want it to since I have yet
to see any of them speak out in protest.
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|
| Norman L. DeForest wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Jul 2005, Viper wrote:
> [snip]
>
>
>
> "Support pacifism or I'll kill you." ???
>
I don't read Viper's posts, I only see those someone else replies to,
but his attitude seems to be no different than other terrorists. Isn't
that why terrorists kill people?
--
Wayne
http://www.glenmeadows.com
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| Leonard Blaisdell 2005-07-08, 4:19 am |
| In article <MPG.1d37b9a4cc14fca898c927@news.dircon.co.uk>,
Eric Jarvis <web@ericjarvis.co.uk> wrote:
> You can't beat terrorism by increasing security ever upwards.
True to my belief.
> Firstly
> there is always a way past and the terrorists only need to succeed now and
> again. More importantly it's giving the terrorists what they want. Terror.
True to my belief.
> The only way to beat terrorists is to use intelligence to infiltrate their
> networks and to detect actions before they happen,
True to my belief.
> to negotiate with
> anyone prepared to talk rather than fight, and to deal with grievances and
> discrimination by brokering just solutions through debate and discussion.
False to my belief. Negotiatians with people who want you dead is
fruitless.
> Where that can't be done the only answer is to wait it out until it can be
> done.
False to my belief. Great Britain did that until 1939. When their corns
had been stomped upon enough, they went to war and preserved what we
appreciate today. Human nature is the same. Tyrants abound. Negotiation
is irrelevant to people in power that "have a vision".
> Every extra loss of civil liberties is a small victory for terrorism.
True to my belief.
leo
--
<http://web0.greatbasin.net/~leo/
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| Charles Sweeney 2005-07-08, 8:36 am |
| Viper wrote
> The USA with the UK's help has killed many
> terrorists.
And many many more innocents.
Is your oil price coming down yet?
--
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http://CharlesSweeney.com
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| Charles Sweeney 2005-07-08, 8:36 am |
| Viper wrote
> ummm I would be aiming at the building where the shots came from. Not
> towards the ground or right infront of me. If he is in that building he
> better tell me.
Why not kill everyone in the world, and leave just yourself?
--
Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com
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| Charles Sweeney 2005-07-08, 8:41 am |
| Viper wrote
> Charles Sweeney wrote:
>
> You attack the USA and UK for going to war to stop terror
No. I attack the USA and UK for illegally invading a Sovereign State,
slaughtering countless thousands of innocents, decimating the land,
occupying the land, stirring up a hornets nest, recruiting more
terrorists and making me and others in Britain a prime target for
reprisals, for the sake of oil and positioning for Bush and his fellow
Neo Cons and oil company shareholders.
I for one will not wear a target in the name of Bush's stock portfolio.
--
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http://CharlesSweeney.com
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| Charles Sweeney 2005-07-08, 8:42 am |
| SpaceGirl wrote
<of snake boy>
> Mind you, that doesn't change the fact you are an ignorant prick.
Priceless beauty.
--
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http://CharlesSweeney.com
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| Charles Sweeney 2005-07-08, 8:43 am |
| Viper wrote
> Bush and Blair have done so much to make the world safer
LOLOLOLOLOL!
Tell that to the people of London.
> and yet you
> prove your loyalty to the terrorists by attacking them.
Outrageous libel.
--
Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com
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| Charles Sweeney 2005-07-08, 8:43 am |
| Viper wrote
> I believe we need a wall like the old Berlin Wall. but hey the tree
> huggers wont allow it.
Oi! What have you got against trees??! I happen to like them. Don't hug
them terribly often.
Ever fancied a trip to California? You would make a lot of friends there.
--
Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com
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| Charles Sweeney 2005-07-08, 8:43 am |
| Viper wrote
> Terroists are not people that kill one or two people, They are
> murderers.
Define "murderer".
--
Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com
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|
| Charles Sweeney wrote:
> Viper wrote
>
>
> Why not kill everyone in the world, and leave just yourself?
Cool
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| Charles Sweeney wrote:
> Viper wrote
>
>
> And many many more innocents.
>
> Is your oil price coming down yet?
Nope why should it?
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|
| Charles Sweeney wrote:
> Viper wrote
>
>
> No. I attack the USA and UK for illegally invading a Sovereign State,
> slaughtering countless thousands of innocents, decimating the land,
> occupying the land, stirring up a hornets nest, recruiting more
> terrorists and making me and others in Britain a prime target for
> reprisals, for the sake of oil and positioning for Bush and his fellow
> Neo Cons and oil company shareholders.
>
> I for one will not wear a target in the name of Bush's stock
> portfolio.
You are so full of shit, you smell all the way over here.
Show me any innocents killed by the US or UK. Show me where the UK or US is
getting any oil from Iraq,
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| Charles Sweeney wrote:
> SpaceGirl wrote
>
> <of snake boy>
>
>
> Priceless beauty.
One would hope that the next time its in your home town.
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|
| Charles Sweeney wrote:
> Viper wrote
>
>
> Nice clues snakey. "your church" So everyone has a church. "keep
> going to that church" So everyone goes to church.
>
> Your association with "church" was natural and automatic. What was
> it, beaten into you as a kid??
>
> Sunday School beatings? Thrashed in the name of the Good Lord?
Nope I dont goto church. I dont whoreship something made up.
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|
| GreyWyvern wrote:
> May I ask, then, why you keep coming back, like a bad cold? Some form of
> masochism? If we don't matter, then why don't you spend more time with
> those who do?
Can I meekly suggest that everyone who thinks viper is a dim-witted,
pig-ignorant, gutless, knuckle-dragging, sexually ambiguous, drooling
Neanderthal with penis envy (did I miss anything?) should simply killfile
him/it. I did that long ago, but some of you insist on rising to the
malformed troll's posts, which means I get to see the replies - which is a
big waste of bandwidth. If all intelligent people in this group killfile
viper, it'll be like he doesn't exist and he'll only have himself to play
with (which will be a familiar situation for him, I'm sure).
@+
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| Matt Probert 2005-07-08, 7:48 pm |
| Once upon a time, far far away Phil <phil@whitehouse.gov> muttered
>Can I meekly suggest that everyone who thinks viper is a dim-witted,
>pig-ignorant, gutless, knuckle-dragging, sexually ambiguous, drooling
>Neanderthal with penis envy (did I miss anything?)
Erm, "blonde" ?
>should simply killfile
>him/it. I did that long ago, but some of you insist on rising to the
>malformed troll's posts, which means I get to see the replies - which is a
>big waste of bandwidth. If all intelligent people in this group killfile
>viper, it'll be like he doesn't exist and he'll only have himself to play
>with (which will be a familiar situation for him, I'm sure).
>
Well said. Here! Here!
Matt
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| Charles Sweeney 2005-07-08, 7:48 pm |
| Phil wrote
> GreyWyvern wrote:
>
>
> Can I meekly suggest that everyone who thinks viper is a dim-witted,
> pig-ignorant, gutless, knuckle-dragging, sexually ambiguous, drooling
> Neanderthal with penis envy (did I miss anything?) should simply
> killfile him/it. I did that long ago, but some of you insist on rising
> to the malformed troll's posts, which means I get to see the replies -
> which is a big waste of bandwidth. If all intelligent people in this
> group killfile viper, it'll be like he doesn't exist and he'll only
> have himself to play with (which will be a familiar situation for him,
> I'm sure).
I rarely killfile. Right now my bozo-bin is empty. Viper was in there,
but I couldn't resist replying to him when I saw his posts in other
people's replies.
--
Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com
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| Charles Sweeney 2005-07-08, 7:48 pm |
| Viper wrote
> Charles Sweeney wrote:
Not[color=darkred]
>
> Cool
I thought you might like that. Better still, everyone could kill
everyone in the world and just leave themself.
--
Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com
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| Charles Sweeney 2005-07-08, 7:48 pm |
| Viper wrote
> Charles Sweeney wrote:
>
> You are so full of shit, you smell all the way over here.
> Show me any innocents killed by the US or UK. Show me where the UK or
> US is getting any oil from Iraq,
It's in the archive.
--
Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com
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| Charles Sweeney 2005-07-08, 7:48 pm |
| Viper wrote
> No but who is to say they wouldnt have been killed anyways? They
> showed a relative of one hostage who was killed. She said she knew the
> police did what had to be done and didnt blame them at all. If you let
> them get away then the next guy will expect the same thing.
Like the death penalty? Does that stop people murdering?
--
Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com
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| Charles Sweeney 2005-07-08, 7:48 pm |
| Viper wrote
> and the UK re-elected Blair.
With about 20% of the electorate voting for him/his party. Which is about
the same number of people who wanted to invade Iraq.
Tragically, the main opposition party in the UK also supported the attack
on Iraq, that's why they didn't defeat Blair.
--
Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com
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| Charles Sweeney 2005-07-08, 7:48 pm |
| Viper wrote
> Nope I dont goto church. I dont whoreship something made up.
You better not tell George W that.
--
Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com
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| John Bokma 2005-07-08, 7:48 pm |
| Charles Sweeney <me@charlessweeney.com> wrote:
> No. I attack the USA and UK for illegally invading a Sovereign State,
> slaughtering countless thousands of innocents, decimating the land,
> occupying the land, stirring up a hornets nest, recruiting more
> terrorists and making me and others in Britain a prime target for
> reprisals, for the sake of oil and positioning for Bush and his fellow
> Neo Cons and oil company shareholders.
Amen.
All the money invested in stupid "wars" like this could help a countless
number of people with less blood on ones hands.
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| Steve Sobol 2005-07-08, 11:31 pm |
| Charles Sweeney wrote:
> Viper wrote
>
>
>
>
> And many many more innocents.
>
> Is your oil price coming down yet?
It was slightly lower for a while, but just shot up again, if the gas prices
I'm seeing around town are any indication -- and they usually are.
I'm sure the greedy, opportunistic dipwads running the oil companies took
the Live8 event as a sign to raise prices. Yeah, and we all know how much
oil comes out of London, right? Isn't London right on the shore of the North
Sea? :)
Reminds me of when the pipeline broke in Michigan and two hours later, LONG
before it would have affected supply, everyone raised gasoline prices.
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| Dennis 2005-07-08, 11:31 pm |
| On 08 Jul 2005 Baho Utot wrote in alt.www.webmaster
> begin virus.scr.txt On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 22:45:48 +0100, SpaceGirl wrote:
>
>
> [putulin]
>
>
> Are you two dating or something?
>
> Calling each other my love and sweetheart,
> Whats next marriage? children?
>
>
I don't know but it was Charles said Viper's prick was a Priceless beauty.
--
Dennis
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| William Tasso 2005-07-08, 11:31 pm |
| Writing in news:alt.www.webmaster
From the safety of the none cafeteria
Dennis <mutbutt@XXXXXXXXXX> said:
> On 08 Jul 2005 Baho Utot wrote in alt.www.webmaster
>
> I don't know but it was Charles said Viper's prick was a Priceless
> beauty.
http://tinyurl.com/7g6js
--
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** Business as usual
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|
| Steve Sobol wrote:
> Reminds me of when the pipeline broke in Michigan and two hours
> later, LONG before it would have affected supply, everyone raised
> gasoline prices.
Of course prices will go up during something like that. The gas station has
to set the prices according to what the company he buys it from tells him
to. They sign a contract, well most do, that states they follow the rules of
the company they buy from or they dont get gas. My uncle works for a gas
station, has for many years, and thats how they do it there. The head
company calls and tells them to raise or lower it.
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|
| Baho Utot wrote:
Please fix your news reader. Its broken.
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| Norman L. DeForest 2005-07-09, 7:18 am |
|
On Sat, 9 Jul 2005, William Tasso wrote:
> Writing in news:alt.www.webmaster
> From the safety of the ISINet, Nova Scotia cafeteria
> Norman L. DeForest <af380@chebucto.ns.ca> said:
>
>
> so do dictionaries: ITYM anthropomorphize
Yes, my error -- and the 'r' is too far from both the 'o' and the 'm' that
I can't use "typographical error" as an excuse, either. How about lack of
coffee?
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|
| Heidi wrote:
> Viper wrote:
> We re-elected the greatest president yet
>
> 0_o
>
> YOU re-elected him...
> NOT me
Not my fault you voted for a loser that screwed his country.
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|
| Viper wrote:
: Not my fault you voted for a loser that screwed his country.
i didn't, you did...
Besides who do you know who I voted for?
there were more than just 2 candidates...
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| Dylan Parry 2005-07-09, 7:18 am |
| Using a pointed stick and pebbles, Norman L. DeForest scraped:
> What's the decor like in there? (see sig.)
:)
My killfile is painted in very fine black and white vertical stripes, at
approximately 1cm intervals. The floor and ceiling are painted the same,
but with the stripes going diagonally. Imagine the nightmare that your
retinas and occipital lobe would have to endure ;)
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| Dylan Parry 2005-07-09, 7:18 am |
| Using a pointed stick and pebbles, William Tasso scraped:
> http://tinyurl.com/7g6js
A whole new meaning to those spam emails that promise to "please you
XXXXX" :o
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| SpaceGirl 2005-07-09, 7:18 am |
| Heidi wrote:
> SpaceGirl wrote:
> : You are a very bad man, Grey :)
>
> Yes but isn't that one of the things we love about him? *grin*
>
>
>
Oh, totally :)
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| SpaceGirl 2005-07-09, 7:18 am |
| Baho Utot wrote:
> begin virus.scr.txt On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 22:45:48 +0100, SpaceGirl wrote:
>
>
>
>
> [putulin]
>
>
>
>
> Are you two dating or something?
>
> Calling each other my love and sweetheart,
> Whats next marriage? children?
>
>
OMG. Okay, kill me now :)
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| Baho Utot 2005-07-09, 7:28 pm |
| begin virus.scr.txt On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 03:26:53 +0000, Viper wrote:
> Baho Utot wrote:
>
> Please fix your news reader. Its broken.
Actually mine works just fine and is standards compliant. Yours is
broken, horriably.
--
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| GreyWyvern 2005-07-09, 7:28 pm |
| SpaceGirl wrote:
> Heidi wrote:
>
> Oh, totally :)
Come on now... I can't be all bad.
But, I guess I shouldn't argue with what get me more lovin' ;)
Grey
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|
| GreyWyvern wrote:
> SpaceGirl wrote:
>
> Come on now... I can't be all bad.
>
> But, I guess I shouldn't argue with what get me more lovin' ;)
Is this the same man who once proclaimed he doesn't flirt? <g>
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| GreyWyvern 2005-07-09, 7:28 pm |
| Els wrote:
> GreyWyvern wrote:
>
> Is this the same man who once proclaimed he doesn't flirt? <g>
I don't. *They* started this. *points up* :P
Grey
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|
| GreyWyvern wrote:
> Els wrote:
>
> I don't. *They* started this. *points up* :P
/looks up...
/ignores ceiling and 3 more flats
Who 'they'.. cupids? ;)
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| Steve Sobol 2005-07-09, 7:28 pm |
| Viper wrote:
> Steve Sobol wrote:
>
>
>
> Of course prices will go up during something like that. The gas station has
> to set the prices according to what the company he buys it from tells him
> to.
Okay, let me say this slowly so you understand.
It's not the individual station owners I'm pissed at, although in March of
'03 during the height of the Iraq conflict I lived in Cleveland and the
mayor there had to pass an emergency law penalizing price-gougers. There are
some scumbags in that group, but the real culprits are the *oil companies*
(I said that, Binky, maybe you might try reading for comprehension next time).
You're absolutely right. The individual gas stations do NOT set their own
prices. I used to work at a gas station too; I understand that.
It's the companies PRODUCING the gasoline that I have a problem with, and
they have been guilty of predatory pricing for years. Ask your uncle. I'm
sure he'll agree with me.
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temperatures are as high as the gas prices! / 888.480.4NET (4638)
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| |
| Steve Sobol 2005-07-09, 7:28 pm |
| Heidi wrote:
> Viper wrote:
> We re-elected the greatest president yet
>
> 0_o
>
> YOU re-elected him...
> NOT me
I sure as hell didn't vote for him. Unfortunately, I had to vote for Kerry
because statistically speaking, a vote for any of the minority candidates
would have effectively been a vote for Bush. I don't like Kerry either.
If McCain could just get past the primary, I'd vote for him in 2008.
--
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Coming to you from Southern California's High Desert, where the
temperatures are as high as the gas prices! / 888.480.4NET (4638)
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| |
| Charles Sweeney 2005-07-09, 7:28 pm |
| Dennis wrote
> I don't know but it was Charles said Viper's prick was a Priceless
> beauty.
That was some typo you just made there.
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| |
| Charles Sweeney 2005-07-09, 7:28 pm |
| Heidi wrote
> Charles Sweeney wrote:
>: Ever fancied a trip to California? You would make a lot of friends
>: there.
>
> OMG, HA HA HA HA
> nice one Charles
I can just picture snakey in California. Wearing baggy shorts with his
skinny white legs sticking out, green socks and sandals, carrying his big
gun, nervously looking around ready to blast anyone who so much as *thinks*
about giving him a hug!
--
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http://CharlesSweeney.com
| |
| Charles Sweeney 2005-07-09, 7:28 pm |
| Els wrote
> GreyWyvern wrote:
>
>
> Is this the same man who once proclaimed he doesn't flirt? <g>
It's the quiet ones you have to watch. Speaking of which, how ya doin!?
--
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http://CharlesSweeney.com
| |
| Charles Sweeney 2005-07-09, 7:28 pm |
| Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote
> Charles Sweeney wrote:
>
> One of them...
Very good. Shame about the thousands of others waiting to take their
place.
--
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http://CharlesSweeney.com
| |
| Charles Sweeney 2005-07-09, 7:28 pm |
| Heidi wrote
> Viper wrote:
> We re-elected the greatest president yet
>
> 0_o
>
> YOU re-elected him...
> NOT me
GO HEIDI, GO!
--
Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com
| |
|
| Charles Sweeney wrote:
> Els wrote
>
>
> It's the quiet ones you have to watch. Speaking of which, how ya doin!?
I'm just fine, thank you :-)
(and I'm not quiet ;P )
--
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Sonhos vem. Sonhos vão. O resto é imperfeito.
- Renato Russo -
| |
| Steve Sobol 2005-07-09, 7:28 pm |
| Charles Sweeney wrote:
> I can just picture snakey in California. Wearing baggy shorts with his
> skinny white legs sticking out, green socks and sandals, carrying his big
> gun, nervously looking around ready to blast anyone who so much as *thinks*
> about giving him a hug!
I don't know about Los Angeles, but if he comes up here and starts walking
around waving his gun and talking shit, he's likely to get shot.
More than once.
And not necessarily by a cop.
(No, I don't own any guns.)
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temperatures are as high as the gas prices! / 888.480.4NET (4638)
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| |
| Dennis 2005-07-09, 7:28 pm |
| On 09 Jul 2005 Charles Sweeney wrote in alt.www.webmaster
> Dennis wrote
>
>
> That was some typo you just made there.
>
Ok, maybe I misunderstood you. :)
http://tinyurl.com/72t6x
--
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| |
|
| Baho Utot wrote:
Yet again he proves he is backwards.
| |
|
| Steve Sobol wrote:
> Heidi wrote:
>
> I sure as hell didn't vote for him. Unfortunately, I had to vote for
> Kerry because statistically speaking, a vote for any of the minority
> candidates would have effectively been a vote for Bush. I don't like
> Kerry either.
> If McCain could just get past the primary, I'd vote for him in 2008.
So you admit you voted for a guy that pissed on the USA and its Vets. Nice.
| |
| Matt Probert 2005-07-09, 7:28 pm |
| Once upon a time, far far away Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net>
muttered
>It's the companies PRODUCING the gasoline that I have a problem with, and
>they have been guilty of predatory pricing for years. Ask your uncle. I'm
>sure he'll agree with me.
George Bush has interests in that department, has he not?
Matt
| |
| Matt Probert 2005-07-09, 7:28 pm |
| Once upon a time, far far away Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net>
muttered
>Charles Sweeney wrote:
>
>
>I don't know about Los Angeles, but if he comes up here and starts walking
>around waving his gun and talking shit, he's likely to get shot.
>
>More than once.
>
>And not necessarily by a cop.
>
>(No, I don't own any guns.)
>
Same in London, Manchester, Nottingham.....
Matt
| |
| Eric Jarvis 2005-07-09, 7:28 pm |
| Viper venomx@XXXXXXXXXX wrote in <1uHze.84$rC4.63@trndny03>:
> Baho Utot wrote:
>
> Please fix your news reader. Its broken.
>
Please fix your apostrophe. It's broken.
--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
| |
| Steve Sobol 2005-07-09, 7:29 pm |
| Viper wrote:
> So you admit you voted for a guy that pissed on the USA and its Vets. Nice.
Dude, I've never *denied* voting for Kerry. I didn't want Bush in, and as I
said, statistically speaking, a vote for anyone else would have ended up
working in Bush's favor. I didn't like *any* of the candidates that made
it... John McCain seems to be the best guy for the job, but he wasn't the
one that ended up winning the primary.
Besides, as I've also pointed out *many* times, Bush is sending soldiers to
die for no particular good reason. Do you really think Bush is interested in
freedom, or (be honest) do you think he's more interested in protecting his
family's interests in the Mideast?
Was Kerry ever buddy-buddy with Osama? Bush was, as long as it was convenient.
Whoops. That blows your theory right out of the water, doesn't it.
--
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| |
| Steve Sobol 2005-07-09, 7:29 pm |
| Matt Probert wrote:
>
> George Bush has interests in that department, has he not?
So does Dick Cheney.
Bush's family made their fortune in the oil industry, and Cheney has tight
ties to Haliburton.
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temperatures are as high as the gas prices! / 888.480.4NET (4638)
"Life's like an hourglass glued to the table" --Anna Nalick, "Breathe"
| |
| Steve Sobol 2005-07-09, 7:29 pm |
| Matt Probert wrote:
>
> Same in London, Manchester, Nottingham.....
Now that I think about it, it's probably the same in many parts of LA. :)
But it's especially true up here. Not that this is some lawless place (it's
not), just that there are a lot of people who probably are more inclined to
react to a kook by defending themselves than by running away and calling the
police. :)
--
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temperatures are as high as the gas prices! / 888.480.4NET (4638)
"Life's like an hourglass glued to the table" --Anna Nalick, "Breathe"
| |
| Baho Utot 2005-07-09, 7:29 pm |
| begin virus.scr.txt On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 18:18:04 +0000, Viper wrote:
> Baho Utot wrote:
>
> Yet again he proves he is backwards.
?
What are you talking about?
--
Tayo'y Mga Pinoy
| |
| Charles Sweeney 2005-07-09, 7:29 pm |
| Dennis wrote
> On 09 Jul 2005 Charles Sweeney wrote in alt.www.webmaster
>
>
> Ok, maybe I misunderstood you. :)
Apparently.
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| |
|
| Steve Sobol wrote:
: I sure as hell didn't vote for him. Unfortunately, I had to vote for
: Kerry because statistically speaking, a vote for any of the minority
: candidates would have effectively been a vote for Bush. I don't like Kerry
: either.
See that isn't how I saw it. I voted for one of the minority candidates as a
message
that I didn't like Bush or Kerry.
Was it effective? I don't know but it felt right. More right than voting for
someone I
didn't want to.
| |
| Steve Sobol 2005-07-09, 7:29 pm |
| Heidi wrote:
> Steve Sobol wrote:
> : I sure as hell didn't vote for him. Unfortunately, I had to vote for
> : Kerry because statistically speaking, a vote for any of the minority
> : candidates would have effectively been a vote for Bush. I don't like Kerry
> : either.
>
>
> See that isn't how I saw it. I voted for one of the minority candidates as a
> message that I didn't like Bush or Kerry.
>
> Was it effective? I don't know but it felt right. More right than voting for
> someone I didn't want to.
Frankly, I wanted to vote the way you voted, but I thought it would have
done more harm than good.
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Coming to you from Southern California's High Desert, where the
temperatures are as high as the gas prices! / 888.480.4NET (4638)
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| |
|
| On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 15:23:58 -0700, Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net>
wrote:
>Heidi wrote:
>
>Frankly, I wanted to vote the way you voted, but I thought it would have
>done more harm than good.
I think it depended a lot on which state you were in. If you live in
a state where it was clear one candidate was going to win by a large
margin, then there was no reason not to vote for a minority candidate.
If you lived in one of the states where Bush and Kerry were running
neck and neck, then it made more sense to vote for the lesser of two
evils.
--
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| |
|
| On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 18:50:22 -0400, MGW <mgw1979@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I think it depended a lot on which state you were in. If you live in
>a state where it was clear one candidate was going to win by a large
>margin, then there was no reason not to vote for a minority candidate.
>If you lived in one of the states where Bush and Kerry were running
>neck and neck, then it made more sense to vote for the lesser of two
>evils.
I'm in Nevada, which was one of the undecided states, but I voted for
Badnarik.
I've been a Republican since I was old enough to vote, but I could not
vote for someone who would attempt to hold U.S. citizens indefinitely
with no charges filed, etc. He eventually got slapped down by the
Supreme Court, but he never admitted that what he tried to do was
wrong.
I considered possibly voting for a Democratic president this one time,
but when I started paying attention to John Kerry's TV ads, I knew I
couldn't vote for him. The things he said he was going to do were
things I don't think should be done.
It took very little longer to decide against Ralph Nader.
I had heard of the Libertarian Party but didn't really know anything
about it. I spent a fair amount of time looking not only at the U.S.
National Libertarian Party's website, but also websites about
libertarianism as a philosophy.
I discovered that my beliefs match libertarianism and the Libertarian
Party much better than they match the Republican Party. So not only
did I vote for Badnarik, but I also joined the National Libertarian
Party. After the elections were well over, so that the Registrar's
office had settled down, I re-registered as Libertarian.
--
Ken
http://www.ke9nr.net/
| |
|
| GreyWyvern wrote:
: Come on now... I can't be all bad.
:
: But, I guess I shouldn't argue with what get me more lovin' ;)
:
: Grey
WOW, this from Grey...
and you shouldn't argue ;0)
| |
|
| Els wrote:
: Is this the same man who once proclaimed he doesn't flirt? <g>
Exactly what I was wondering LOL.
I could get used to it though *grin*
| |
|
| GreyWyvern wrote:
: I don't. *They* started this. *points up* :P
That may be but the remark you made was uncharacteristic of you. ;0)
| |
|
| MGW wrote:
: I think it depended a lot on which state you were in. If you live in
: a state where it was clear one candidate was going to win by a large
: margin,
I am in Texas. In that case my vote really should have been futile.
However I feel specifically because of where I am made my vote
for someone other than Bush that much more effective.
| |
|
| Ken wrote:
: I'm in Nevada, which was one of the undecided states, but I voted for
: Badnarik.
Yep, that was my choice too.
| |
| GreyWyvern 2005-07-10, 7:36 pm |
| On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:25:07 -0400, Heidi <blackcat2@XXXXXXXXXX> wrote:
> GreyWyvern wrote:
>
>
> That may be but the remark you made was uncharacteristic of you. ;0)
Usenet is only one side of me, as I am sure it is of everyone.
When you think about it, who is to say what's uncharacteristic of anyone?
;)
Grey
| |
| SpaceGirl 2005-07-10, 7:36 pm |
| GreyWyvern wrote:
> Els wrote:
>
>
>
> I don't. *They* started this. *points up* :P
>
> Grey
Hope you weren't pointing this way *innocent expression*.
Cutie :)
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| SpaceGirl 2005-07-10, 7:36 pm |
| Charles Sweeney wrote:
> Heidi wrote
>
>
>
>
> I can just picture snakey in California. Wearing baggy shorts with his
> skinny white legs sticking out, green socks and sandals, carrying his big
> gun, nervously looking around ready to blast anyone who so much as *thinks*
> about giving him a hug!
>
I'm in NYC from the 13th-22nd August (I will so totally melt)... we
could all club together and buy him a ticket to come over and visit me
an my friends. I'd so love to meet him.
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| robert blake 2005-07-11, 8:05 pm |
| "Viper" wrote:
> Show me any innocents killed by the US or UK
are you serious?
I'd imagine that among the reported near 100 thousand people killed in
Iraq, a large percentage were non-combatants.
Okay, let's look at just two examples.
To kick off the war, the US tried to take out Saddam, by firing several
bombs into a housing complex in Baghdad. Many people would have been
killed in that incident.
The USA also tried to kill him on another occasion, by firing missiles at a
hotel/restaurant. He wasn't there, but the place was filled with people
out for a meal. How many innocent people were not killed amongst that
flattened restaurant?
| |
|
| robert blake wrote:
> "Viper" wrote:
>
>
>
> are you serious?
>
> I'd imagine that among the reported near 100 thousand people killed in
> Iraq, a large percentage were non-combatants.
>
> Okay, let's look at just two examples.
>
> To kick off the war, the US tried to take out Saddam, by firing
> several bombs into a housing complex in Baghdad. Many people would
> have been killed in that incident.
>
> The USA also tried to kill him on another occasion, by firing
> missiles at a hotel/restaurant. He wasn't there, but the place was
> filled with people out for a meal. How many innocent people were not
> killed amongst that flattened restaurant?
LOL I am talking about real deaths not stuff you made up.
| |
| William Tasso 2005-07-11, 8:06 pm |
| Writing in news:alt.www.webmaster
From the safety of the cafeteria
Viper <venomx@XXXXXXXXXX> said:
> ...
> talking about real deaths ...
Your comments have been noted.
--
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** Business as usual
| |
|
| William Tasso wrote:
> Writing in news:alt.www.webmaster
> From the safety of the cafeteria
> Viper <venomx@XXXXXXXXXX> said:
>
>
> Your comments have been noted.
William Tasso killed 500,000 kids and women!!!!
Ok its online so it must be true!!!!
Dont denie it murderer! Its right there in simple text and its online! So
its true!!!!
| |
|
| William Tasso wrote:
> Writing in news:alt.www.webmaster
> From the safety of the cafeteria
> Viper <venomx@XXXXXXXXXX> said:
>
>
> Your comments have been noted.
William Tasso is the one behind the London bombings!
William Tasso did it and I know its true because its right here online!
| |
| robert blake 2005-07-11, 8:06 pm |
| "Viper" <venomx@XXXXXXXXXX> wrote in news:KzxAe.2366$WA4.1214@trndny04:
> robert blake wrote:
>
> LOL I am talking about real deaths not stuff you made up.
so when the housing complex was flattened with that first salvo of the war,
and when the restaurant was flattened (with no saddam in it), you're saying
that all that stuff was made up by the news networks and that your hero (Mr
Bush) was telling porkies?
| |
|
| Els wrote:
>
> No, but then again, his latest post was already Tuesday night, so he
> may not even be at work - could be on holidays even.
Just got a mail back from Toby, he wasn't anywhere near the blast last
Thursday :-)
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| |
| GreyWyvern 2005-07-12, 7:45 pm |
| And lo, Els didst speak in alt.www.webmaster:
> Els wrote:
>
>
> Just got a mail back from Toby, he wasn't anywhere near the blast last
> Thursday :-)
Whew. Glad to hear it!
Grey
| |
| Jerry Stuckle 2005-07-12, 7:45 pm |
| Els wrote:
> Els wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Just got a mail back from Toby, he wasn't anywhere near the blast last
> Thursday :-)
>
That's great news!
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| Charles Sweeney 2005-07-12, 7:45 pm |
| Els wrote
> Just got a mail back from Toby, he wasn't anywhere near the blast last
> Thursday :-)
I got mail too! He's on holiday, currently in Spain.
I had a chuckle, this is from his email:
"Happy to report that the Internet Café at the local tourist information
office is running Opera 8.0 on Linux"
Now there's a sophisticated internet cafe...I bet he searched it out
specially!
--
Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com
| |
|
| Charles Sweeney wrote:
> Els wrote
>
>
> I got mail too! He's on holiday, currently in Spain.
>
> I had a chuckle, this is from his email:
>
> "Happy to report that the Internet Café at the local tourist information
> office is running Opera 8.0 on Linux"
>
> Now there's a sophisticated internet cafe...I bet he searched it out
> specially!
I told him they probably knew he was coming ... <g>
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| Mark Parnell 2005-07-12, 11:30 pm |
| Previously in alt.www.webmaster, Viper <venomx@XXXXXXXXXX> said:
> William Tasso ...
<snip libellous remarks>
If I didn't know better I'd say you *wanted* someone to take you to
court.
--
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http://www.clarkecomputers.com.au
| |
| Viper 2005-07-12, 11:30 pm |
| Mark Parnell wrote:
> Previously in alt.www.webmaster, Viper <venomx@XXXXXXXXXX> said:
>
> <snip libellous remarks>
>
> If I didn't know better I'd say you *wanted* someone to take you to
> court.
ummm its posted on the internet. According to all the losers here its true.
So what would I goto court for?
I can see it now. After discovery and we present all the anti US and UK
posts. Then Ill have my lawyer ask... What makes you believe 100,000
innocent civilians were killed by the USA/UK in Iraq? Of because it was
posted on a anti US/UK news site? So just because a site reports it its
true? They say yes... Judge throws the case out.
| |
|
|
|
|
| Mark Parnell 2005-07-13, 4:33 am |
| > Viper wrote:
Don't know why I'm replying to you, since you're in my killfile, but
anyway...
[color=darkred]
Yes, by you. Do you have any evidence to back up your rather outrageous
claims?
[color=darkred]
Such as? Come on, cite names and evidence please.
[color=darkred]
http://google.com/search?q=define:libel
Then again I doubt anything you post is likely to damage anyone's
reputation other than your own. And I doubt your reputation could be
damaged any further than it already is.
--
Mark Parnell
http://www.clarkecomputers.com.au
| |
| Chris Hope 2005-07-13, 4:34 am |
| Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> Chris Hope wrote:
>
> Chris,
>
> The liberal media over here will jump on anything which shows Bush
> (and other
> conservatives) in a bad light. The Iraqi War is only one piece of it.
The BBC isn't a US media website, although the report they are all
talking about is from the same source. While you may well be correct,
these are reputable media sources quoting from a report that talks
about the numbers of civilian casulties in Iraq. My point was that in
an attempt to refute the people arguing with him, Viper has tried to
use an argument that everything you read on the Internet is fiction.
While you must be careful with what you read on the Internet,
especially from sites trying to push a particular viewpoint, the sites
I posted /are/ reputable news sources.
--
Chris Hope | www.electrictoolbox.com | www.linuxcdmall.com
| |
| Jerry Stuckle 2005-07-13, 4:38 am |
| Chris Hope wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>
>
>
>
> The BBC isn't a US media website, although the report they are all
> talking about is from the same source. While you may well be correct,
> these are reputable media sources quoting from a report that talks
> about the numbers of civilian casulties in Iraq. My point was that in
> an attempt to refute the people arguing with him, Viper has tried to
> use an argument that everything you read on the Internet is fiction.
> While you must be careful with what you read on the Internet,
> especially from sites trying to push a particular viewpoint, the sites
> I posted /are/ reputable news sources.
>
From what I can tell, these are reports based on one research organization's
opinion of what they think might have happened. The people involved are known
liberals who have spoken out against the Iraq war in the past.
Even the MSNBC article shows some independent researchers have doubts about the
validity of the report.
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| |
| Jerry Stuckle 2005-07-13, 4:39 am |
| Chris Hope wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>
>
>
>
> The BBC isn't a US media website, although the report they are all
> talking about is from the same source. While you may well be correct,
> these are reputable media sources quoting from a report that talks
> about the numbers of civilian casulties in Iraq. My point was that in
> an attempt to refute the people arguing with him, Viper has tried to
> use an argument that everything you read on the Internet is fiction.
> While you must be careful with what you read on the Internet,
> especially from sites trying to push a particular viewpoint, the sites
> I posted /are/ reputable news sources.
>
Oh, and one other thing. Are you really suggesting the BBS doesn't have a
liberal slant?
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| |
| William Tasso 2005-07-13, 4:39 am |
| Writing in news:alt.www.webmaster
From the safety of the cafeteria
Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> said:
> ...
> the BBS ...
shirley shome mishtake
--
William Tasso
** Business as usual
| |
|
| Mark Parnell wrote:
>
> Don't know why I'm replying to you, since you're in my killfile, but
> anyway...
>
>
> Yes, by you. Do you have any evidence to back up your rather
> outrageous claims?
>
>
> Such as? Come on, cite names and evidence please.
>
Umm such as its ONLINE. Thats all news sites do right?
| |
|
| Chris Hope wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>
>
> The BBC isn't a US media website, although the report they are all
> talking about is from the same source. While you may well be correct,
> these are reputable media sources quoting from a report that talks
> about the numbers of civilian casulties in Iraq. My point was that in
> an attempt to refute the people arguing with him, Viper has tried to
> use an argument that everything you read on the Internet is fiction.
> While you must be careful with what you read on the Internet,
> especially from sites trying to push a particular viewpoint, the sites
> I posted /are/ reputable news sources.
They are? Proof?
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| Chris Hope 2005-07-13, 4:39 am |
| Viper wrote:
> Mark Parnell wrote:
> Umm such as its ONLINE. Thats all news sites do right?
So are you saying all news sites post fiction now?
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Chris Hope | www.electrictoolbox.com | www.linuxcdmall.com
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| Chris Hope 2005-07-13, 4:39 am |
| Viper wrote:
> Chris Hope wrote:
>
> They are? Proof?
Are you saying MSNBC, CNN and the BBC are *not* reputable news sources?
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Chris Hope | www.electrictoolbox.com | www.linuxcdmall.com
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| Chris Hope 2005-07-13, 4:39 am |
| Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> Chris Hope wrote:
This may well be true, but trying to paint Bush in a bad light doesn't
make these reports true or false. A reputable news source isn't going
to post stright out lies on their website to paint Bush in a bad light.
[color=darkred]
>
> From what I can tell, these are reports based on one research
> organization's
> opinion of what they think might have happened. The people involved
> are known liberals who have spoken out against the Iraq war in the
> past.
>
> Even the MSNBC article shows some independent researchers have doubts
> about the validity of the report.
Agreed. And each article mentions the numbers may well be inflated and
offer much more conservative estimates. The 100,000 most probably is an
exaggeration and does prove the point you cannot believe everything you
read on the internet. My point was simply to show reputable news
sources are also talking about these high numbers of casualties.
From your other post:
> Oh, and one other thing. Are you really suggesting the BBS doesn't
> have a liberal slant?
BBS = BBC. Maybe they do, but that doesn't negate the fact that there
have been civilian casualties. And I never suggested the BBC doesn't
have a liberal slant (I wouldn't know either way) just that it's not a
US based news source.
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Chris Hope | www.electrictoolbox.com | www.linuxcdmall.com
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| Chris Hope wrote:
> Viper wrote:
>
>
> Are you saying MSNBC, CNN and the BBC are *not* reputable news
> sources?
I wouldnt trust them even if they said the USA was Nuked.
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| Chris Hope wrote:
> Viper wrote:
>
>
> So are you saying all news sites post fiction now?
Every News station/Paper posts/reports what they believe or wish to push.I
read them all and trust 10% of whats said.
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| Chris Hope 2005-07-13, 4:39 am |
| Viper wrote:
> Chris Hope wrote:
>
> Every News station/Paper posts/reports what they believe or wish to
> push.I read them all and trust 10% of whats said.
So basically what you're saying is if they write an article which agrees
with your world view then you trust it, and if it doesn't then you
don't.
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Chris Hope | www.electrictoolbox.com | www.linuxcdmall.com
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| wayne 2005-07-13, 11:31 pm |
| Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> Chris Hope wrote:
>
<snip>[color=darkred]
>
> Oh, and one other thing. Are you really suggesting the BBS doesn't have
> a liberal slant?
>
Why do you think that if the news organization doesn't happen to agree
with your views it is "liberal with an agenda against conservatives"?
Perhaps you blidly accept all of the bull sh*t that comes from the white
house press corps? How do you feel about the President vowing to fire
the person responsile for divulging the CIA operative's identity? Since
it turned out to be Karl Rove, the revealation is suddenly not a crime
and the white house would like the whole matter to go away. I suppose
the good "fair and balanced" <snicker> reporters at Fox will get to the
bottom of this?
--
Wayne
http://www.glenmeadows.com
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| robert blake 2005-07-14, 7:52 pm |
| "Viper" <venomx@XXXXXXXXXX> wrote in news:yxYAe.3212$Om4.1544@trndny07:
> Mark Parnell wrote:
>
> ummm its posted on the internet. According to all the losers here its
> true. So what would I goto court for?
why did you make those claims about the poster mentioned above?
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| robert blake wrote:
> "Viper" <venomx@XXXXXXXXXX> wrote in news:yxYAe.3212$Om4.1544@trndny07:
>
>
>
> why did you make those claims about the poster mentioned above?
Why not its in print online so it is true right?
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| Jerry Stuckle 2005-07-14, 7:52 pm |
| Eric Jarvis wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle jstucklex@attglobal.net wrote in <f4idnSRNEPXjEUnfRVn-
> 2g@comcast.com>:
>
>
>
> I assume you mean the BBC and it would be a reasonable thing to state. It
> has a slight pro establishment bias but otherwise it's largely neutral but
> operating to a news agenda largely driven by right wing newspapers.
>
> The only reason you might think it has a liberal bias is that a large
> proportion of US politics is on what is the extreme right in international
> terms.
>
No, that's not why I think they have a liberal bias. I think they do because
I've seen it in many stories over the years - about the U.S., the British
Government and a lot of other countries.
Now - do you really think the BBC would have given the article the same coverage
if it would have said we SAVED an estimated 100,000 lives? I think not.
You may not like our politics. That's your choice. You had about 50 people
killed in one day. We had almost 3,000. And that's in addition to other
attacks like the U.S.S. Cole, the marine corps barracks in Beirut... The list
goes on.
The difference here is - we now have a president with balls, and he's fighting
back. The previous administration didn't - and when we were helping (i.e.
Somalia), he pulled the troops out when things got tough. This one isn't.
These terrorists are out to destroy the western world. They've announced that
fact repeatedly. The U.S. is the biggest target - but only because we're the
biggest. England and the rest of Western Europe are just as much targets.
We haven't seen as many bombings here because the terrorists are too busy in
Iraq. And if Saddam were still in power, the terrorists would be attacking the
rest of the western world.
My next door neighbor is an attache for the Israeli Embassy. In Israel, most
restaurants, movie theaters, etc. have metal detectors at their entrances, to
prevent suicide bombers from getting inside. Of course, this doesn't stop the
car bombs.
How would you like to have to go through airport-type security screening every
time you went into a pub, restaurant, store, etc.? How would you like to not
know if the next car going by is going to blow up? Or if that little box by the
side of the road will explode when you go by?
Such is the world of those people where terrorism reigns. I don't want it here
- whether I'm in Washington, DC, or Des Moines, Ia. (where I grew up).
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JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
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| Jerry Stuckle 2005-07-14, 7:52 pm |
| wayne wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>
>
> Why do you think that if the news organization doesn't happen to agree
> with your views it is "liberal with an agenda against conservatives"?
> Perhaps you blidly accept all of the bull sh*t that comes from the white
> house press corps? How do you feel about the President vowing to fire
> the person responsile for divulging the CIA operative's identity? Since
> it turned out to be Karl Rove, the revealation is suddenly not a crime
> and the white house would like the whole matter to go away. I suppose
> the good "fair and balanced" <snicker> reporters at Fox will get to the
> bottom of this?
First of all, you didn't answer my question.
I say that because of the BBC's track record. For years it has had a liberal
slant - and not just in U.S. politics.
As for the rest - you're changing the subject. But to answer your question - if
it was indeed Karl Rove (there is still some question about that), he should be
fired and prosecuted, just like any other leak of such importance.
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Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
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| Eric Jarvis 2005-07-14, 7:52 pm |
| Jerry Stuckle jstucklex@attglobal.net wrote in <Sa2dnfPKb9odMEvfRVn-
pg@comcast.com>:
>
> How would you like to have to go through airport-type security screening every
> time you went into a pub, restaurant, store, etc.? How would you like to not
> know if the next car going by is going to blow up? Or if that little box by the
> side of the road will explode when you go by?
>
How would you like to stop teaching your grandmother to suck eggs, I've
lived my entire damn adult life under threat from terrorism. I KNOW about
it and you obviously bloody don't. After several decades we came up with
methods of dealing with a terror campaign that actually worked. Whereas
you seem to be utterly incapable of learning from the lessons of history
and propose repeating the mistakes made by us in Northern Ireland in the
sixties and seventies, the French in Algeria, the US in El Salvador and
the Israelis. Posturing to prove to your friends and neighbours that you
are a harder and tougher bastard than everyone else does not work to deal
with terrorism, it merely feeds your ego.
Many Americans are beginning to twig that perhaps it might be better to
follow the examples of the UK, Italy, Germany and Spain which have managed
to deal effectively with terrorist campaigns rather than the model of
Israel, which is hardly the perfect example of a state entirely free from
terrorist attack.
Come back to the subject when you have a clue about it.
--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
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| robert blake 2005-07-14, 7:52 pm |
| "Viper" <venomx@XXXXXXXXXX> wrote in news:MExBe.6855$1%4.871@trndny02:
> robert blake wrote:
>
> Why not its in print online so it is true right?
where is it in print online?
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| robert blake wrote:
> "Viper" <venomx@XXXXXXXXXX> wrote in news:MExBe.6855$1%4.871@trndny02:
>
>
>
> where is it in print online?
In this group.
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| robert blake 2005-07-14, 7:52 pm |
| "Viper" <venomx@XXXXXXXXXX> wrote in news:FmzBe.9309$zj4.7551@trndny06:
> robert blake wrote:
>
> In this group.
and who said it?
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| robert blake wrote:
> "Viper" <venomx@XXXXXXXXXX> wrote in news:FmzBe.9309$zj4.7551@trndny06:
>
>
>
> and who said it?
Doesnt matter! Well not according to the scum in here.
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| robert blake 2005-07-14, 7:52 pm |
| "Viper" <venomx@XXXXXXXXXX> wrote in news:70ABe.16038$rx4.6125@trndny05:
>
> Doesnt matter! Well not according to the scum in here.
did you make the original claim?
And if you think that the posters in here are 'scum', then why do you
continue to hang around in this forum? In hanging around in a place where
you think 'scum' reside, what does that say about you?
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| Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> wayne wrote:
>
>
>
>
> First of all, you didn't answer my question.
>
> I say that because of the BBC's track record. For years it has had a
> liberal slant - and not just in U.S. politics.
>
> As for the rest - you're changing the subject. But to answer your
> question - if it was indeed Karl Rove (there is still some question
> about that), he should be fired and prosecuted, just like any other leak
> of such importance.
>
I don't believe the BBS is liberal biased, only that conservatives
trying to make the word liberal a bad word, sort of like "gay" a
perfectly good word that has become synonomous with homosexual.
What was your point in accusing the BBS as being liberal?
And one other thing (responding to your remark about whether the BBS
would report 100,000 lives saved), news organizations do not report good
news, it doesn't sell. Have you seen any good news from any
organization? You know, like "there were no airplane crashes today" or
"accidents are down 50% from last year". However, "A Delta 747 exploded
over the ocean killing all 10,000 passengers" will receive maximum
exposure from all news media.
--
Wayne
http://www.glenmeadows.com
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| Mark Parnell 2005-07-14, 7:52 pm |
| Previously in alt.www.webmaster, wayne <wdh@swbell.net> said:
> However, "A Delta 747 exploded
> over the ocean killing all 10,000 passengers" will receive maximum
> exposure from all news media.
Considering the highest capacity of any 747 is about 600, 10 000 in the
one plane would certainly be newsworthy, even if it didn't crash. :-)
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Mark Parnell
http://www.clarkecomputers.com.au
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