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Opera 8.01 and the Acid2 test
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| David Cary Hart 2005-06-28, 7:33 pm |
| On Tue, 2005-06-28 at 19:29 +0100, Toby Inkster wrote:
> Opera ASA is getting pretty close -- nearly caught up with Safari on
> correctly rendering the Acid2 test:
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> Acid2 Test:
> http://www.webstandards.org/act/acid2/
Personally, I look to WC3. Up to now, using fully (validated) WC3
compliant CSS and XHTML, Opera creates a third standard which is
different in many respects from Netscape/Mozilla/etc. and IE. The
current Opera breaks nested <div> with relative values.
Frankly, given that Firefox is open source, free . . . .
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| GreyWyvern 2005-06-28, 7:33 pm |
| And lo, David Cary Hart didst speak in alt.www.webmaster:
> On Tue, 2005-06-28 at 19:29 +0100, Toby Inkster wrote:
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> Personally, I look to WC3. Up to now, using fully (validated) WC3
> compliant CSS and XHTML, Opera creates a third standard which is
> different in many respects from Netscape/Mozilla/etc. and IE. The
> current Opera breaks nested <div> with relative values.
You're kidding, right? You must be unaware of all the critical rendering
bugs in Mozilla, caused by years of bloat and poor management. Things
which both Opera and MSIE handle without any problem. I actually had to
hack some CSS to overcome this one only a few hours ago:
<http://www.greywyvern.com/code/fire...-NoClearHeaders>
Firefox disobeys the CSS clear property on the first element in a box if
the previous box contained all floated content.
Here's another one I found a couple weeks ago:
<http://www.greywyvern.com/code/fire...loatCancelation>
float:none; fails to override a float:left; in a rule further up the
cascade.
> Frankly, given that Firefox is open source, free . . . .
Open source is nice, but free is no excuse for +7000 open bug reports and
6 unpatched Secunia vulnerabilities on Firefox alone.
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| Mark Parnell 2005-06-28, 7:34 pm |
| Previously in alt.www.webmaster, Toby Inkster
<usenet200506@tobyinkster.co.uk> said:
> Opera ASA is getting pretty close -- nearly caught up with Safari on
> correctly rendering the Acid2 test:
Don't forget iCab and Konqueror. ;-)
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| Norman L. DeForest 2005-06-29, 4:24 am |
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On Tue, 28 Jun 2005, GreyWyvern wrote:
> And lo, David Cary Hart didst speak in alt.www.webmaster:
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> You're kidding, right? You must be unaware of all the critical rendering
> bugs in Mozilla, caused by years of bloat and poor management. Things
> which both Opera and MSIE handle without any problem. I actually had to
> hack some CSS to overcome this one only a few hours ago:
>
> <http://www.greywyvern.com/code/fire...-NoClearHeaders>
>
> Firefox disobeys the CSS clear property on the first element in a box if
> the previous box contained all floated content.
>
> Here's another one I found a couple weeks ago:
>
> <http://www.greywyvern.com/code/fire...loatCancelation>
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> float:none; fails to override a float:left; in a rule further up the
> cascade.
One thing that has frustrated me with Firefox is my apparent inability to
specify the border colour for a table and have it display in my selected
colour. I have tried both the attribute,
border-color="black"
and the style,
border-color: black
and I still get a two-tone grey as seen in this partial screenshot:
http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~af380/temp/border-color.gif
(with a portion of the table for my sliding-block puzzle shown full-sized
and also magnified by the Windows magnifier)[2].
Does anyone have a fix for that?
[1] or "gray" depending on your preferred spelling.
[2] Note that almost nothing in my "temp" directory has a guaranteed
life of more than a week.
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| Toby Inkster 2005-06-29, 4:24 am |
| Norman L. DeForest wrote:
> I have tried both the attribute,
> border-color="black"
> and the style,
> border-color: black
> and I still get a two-tone grey as seen in this partial screenshot:
> http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~af380/temp/border-color.gif
<style type="text/css">
.mytable {
border: 2px solid black;
border-collapse: collapse;
}
.mytable td, .mytable th {
1px solid black;
}
th, .th {
color: white;
background: black;
}
</style>
<table class="mytable" summary="Table illustrating Foo Bar">
<caption>Foo Bar</caption>
<thead>
<tr>
<td class="th"> </td>
<th scope="col">A</th>
<th scope="col">B</th>
<th scope="col">C</th>
</tr>
</thead>
<tbody>
<tr>
<th scope="row">1</th>
<td>A1</td>
<td>B1</td>
<td>C1</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th scope="row">2</th>
<td>A2</td>
<td>B2</td>
<td>C2</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
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| Toby Inkster 2005-06-29, 4:24 am |
| Mark Parnell wrote:
> Previously in alt.www.webmaster, Toby Inkster
> <usenet200506@tobyinkster.co.uk> said:
>
>
> Don't forget iCab and Konqueror. ;-)
Neither of which are as close as Opera. :-)
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| Norman L. DeForest wrote:
> One thing that has frustrated me with Firefox is my apparent inability to
> specify the border colour for a table and have it display in my selected
> colour. I have tried both the attribute,
> border-color="black"
> and the style,
> border-color: black
> and I still get a two-tone grey as seen in this partial screenshot:
> http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~af380/temp/border-color.gif
> (with a portion of the table for my sliding-block puzzle shown full-sized
> and also magnified by the Windows magnifier)[2].
>
> Does anyone have a fix for that?
border:3px solid black;
The HTML style you used: border-color="black", is incorrect, that
would be bordercolor="black". But removing that, and setting the
border to black /and/ give it the style 'solid' in CSS, solves your
problem.
The two-tone grey is caused by a style called inset or outset. I don't
know if that's default for Firefox, or if it's set anywhere in your
JavaScript or something, but explicitly setting it to 'solid' helps
:-)
> [1] or "gray" depending on your preferred spelling.
> [2] Note that almost nothing in my "temp" directory has a guaranteed
> life of more than a week.
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| Norman L. DeForest 2005-06-29, 8:14 pm |
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On Wed, 29 Jun 2005, Toby Inkster wrote:
> Norman L. DeForest wrote:
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> <style type="text/css">
> .mytable {
> border: 2px solid black;
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> border-collapse: collapse;
> }
[snip]
That did the trick, thanks to both you and Els for responding.
According to references I had downloaded, "border-color" should have
worked as either a style (according to a CSS reference) or as an
attribute (according to an HTML reference). A (very large) page on
the W3C site seemed to agree with the former:
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS1#border-color
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| Norman L. DeForest wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Jun 2005, Toby Inkster wrote:
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> [snip]
>
> That did the trick, thanks to both you and Els for responding.
>
> According to references I had downloaded, "border-color" should have
> worked as either a style (according to a CSS reference) or as an
> attribute (according to an HTML reference). A (very large) page on
> the W3C site seemed to agree with the former:
> http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS1#border-color
That's only the colour. Not the style.
border:2px solid black; is the same as:
border-color:black;
border-width:2px;
border-style:solid;
The two-tone effect on the border wasn't caused by lack of 'black',
but by lack of 'solid' :-)
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| Mark Parnell 2005-06-30, 4:29 am |
| Previously in alt.www.webmaster, Toby Inkster
<usenet200506@tobyinkster.co.uk> said:
> Hmmm... interesting. Still, none of the browsers that pass it are on
> general release yet (iCab is a beta, Konq is still in CVS and Safari is
> not even at beta stage yet)
They're still ahead of Opera though. ;-)
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