Webmaster forum - Re: A poor spammer complaining (funny stuff) (spamhaus)

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Re: A poor spammer complaining (funny stuff) (spamhaus)

Viper

2005-06-24, 7:32 pm

Richard wrote:
> I have never contacted this company, nor have I opted in for
> anything. They got my e-mail adress from a spam protected e-mail
> image on my website, and now they don't understand why people don't
> like them. Here is the complaint they have sent to all the people
> they are spamming. The feel so innocent (ant that is fun and sad at
> the same time):
> -----
>
> SPAMHAUS www.spamhaus.org
>
> Here's a question, people. Why has The Viral Spiral been down? It's
> a matter of cat and mouse. We have been selling data and Spamhaus
> feels that we should not be doing that. Therefore Spamhaus has
> decided to chase my company wherever we go and shut us down. My
> company has lost two domains. www.theviralspiral.com &
> www.theviral.com and we are continually being hunted. We are now
> located at www.theviralnews.com
> Quote from Spamhaus: "[The Viral Spiral] For whatever reason, you
> have sent spam to our spamtraps advertising your ability to deliver
> junk. It is our objective to prevent you from doing that. If we have
> succeeded in that, we are happy, whether you are two fellows with
> laptops or ten partners with three floors in a datacenter" Spamhaus
> Project Team
> Why aren't there traps for telemarketing and/or direct mail? Why must
> email be policed from another country? Who are these people policing
> the internet? Anyone could have added any email address to my form
> on my website. Why am I being punished? Todd and I sell data. We
> have a great track record of happy clients. Selling data is not
> illegal!
> Quickie Marketing and The Viral Spiral do not send email to
> consumers. We have tried many times to do so, yet we always run into
> problems with servers. It is an ongoing process so basically, we
> are not up and running so we can individually send campaigns. Our
> intentions are good and the offers that we promote are excellent. We
> do not and have not promoted bad material. In fact, we were somewhat
> responsible for the famous VIOXX campaign.
>
> We were attacked by a oproject team called Spamhaus; a project of
> people who track spammers and bring their servers down in cooperation
> with many internet service providers. Don't get me wrong as I
> understand the nuisance of spam (I have wrote many articles about
> it), yet I appreciate good offers that are presented through email. What
> ever happened to the first amendment of freedom of speech? In
> this case, we have no say.
> It is irresponsible for any "project team" to shut down a company (big
> or small) that makes money to eat and pay the mortgage without an
> expeident way to contact the project team and rectify mistakes. We
> got listed on the "Spamhaus Site" (www.spamhaus.org) because we have
> been selling data with a company they claim are spammers. Todd and I
> (Quickie
> Marketing â?" The Viral Spiral) are only selling advertising on our
> website and selling optin data, which they (Spamhaus) consider is not
> owned by anyone else but the consumers alone, yet the consumers did
> not read the privacy policies where we have the right to resell their
> information. Is that our fault?
> We are talking about electricity storage. Data placed on servers. Data
> sold. No human signatures that can prove justification. It's
> not our fault that we somehow "Spammed" some person who knows
> Spamhaus or had a grudge and reported us. Anyone can hack into my
> system or add a "bad" email. Why would someone do such a thing?
>
> These allegations towards my company working with "Spammers" is
> ludicrous. The Viral Spiral is and always has been a trusted name in
> this industry for over three years and will continue to be. Spamhaus
> doesn't care about anyone of us for whatever reason. They are
> selfishly campaigning against companies despite false allegations and
> with hearsay.
> This is my opinion, yet my opinion should count as a citizen of the
> United States. The direct point is as simple as sliced bread. If
> someone has a beef, they must confront the opponent and both parties
> must have full contact information and have a right to speak. From
> my research, Spamhaus is located in *Great Britain or that is where
> they are listed on Network Solutions' WhoIs:
> (http://www.networksolutions.com/en_US/whois/index.jhtml)
>
> Yet, the only way to contact them on their website is only through
> email, after they send you an email once you contact them through a
> form.
> I have spoken with many companies that are getting shut down by
> Spamhaus and all of them have no way to contact them besides "one"
> email address. It's like crying over spilled milk and they are laughing
> about it. Where is the democracy in this situation? Where is the freedom
> of
> speech? Todd and I only send a newsletter to what we know is/are
> internet marketers. Why are we being hunted like a fox from the
> British? Is that irony? I want justice. I want to be heard. I
> personally feel like this is a modern day witch hunt. We have done
> nothing wrong.
> The Viral Spiral would like to thank Marvin Jones Jr. Esq. for legal
> guidance and counseling. If you have any legal questions or concerns
> please contact Marvin Jones Jr. Esq at (310) 991-3688 or
> info@tpginternational.com or marvinjesq (AIM).
>
> Spamhaus' only contact information:
>
> *Domain ID:D10906601-LROR
>
> Domain Name:SPAMHAUS.ORG
>
> Created On:01-Oct-1999 11:03:57 UTC
>
> Last Updated On:08-Dec-2004 11:02:31 UTC
>
> Expiration Date:01-Oct-2005 11:03:57 UTC
>
> Sponsoring Registrar:Tucows Inc. (R11-LROR)
>
> Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
>
> Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED
>
> Registrant ID:tuWAmwQ9ydXs0CSD
>
> Registrant Name:Spamhaus Hostmaster
>
> Registrant Organization:The Spamhaus Project LTD.
>
> Registrant Street1:The Phoenix
>
> Registrant Street2:Taggs Island
>
> Registrant City:Hampton
>
> Registrant State/Province:MIDDX
>
> Registrant Postal Code:TW122HA
>
> Registrant Country:GB
>
> Registrant Phone:+44.8454585077
>
> Registrant Email:abuse@pandora.spamhaus.org
>
> Admin ID:tuFKFL5QkPUDPwkC
>
> Admin Name:Spamhaus Hostmaster
>
> Admin Organization:The Spamhaus Project LTD.
>
> Admin Street1:The Phoenix
>
> Admin Street2:Taggs Island
>
> Admin City:Hampton
>
> Admin State/Province:MIDDX
>
> Admin Postal Code:TW122HA
>
> Admin Country:GB
>
> Admin Phone:+44.8454585077
>
> Admin Email:abuse@pandora.spamhaus.org
>
> Tech ID:tu7WpzzS429aZ6xO
>
> Tech Name:Spamhaus Hostmaster
>
> Tech Organization:The Spamhaus Project LTD.
>
> Tech Street1:The Phoenix
>
> Tech Street2:Taggs Island
>
> Tech City:Hampton
>
> Tech State/Province:MIDDX
>
> Tech Postal Code:TW122HA
>
> Tech Country:GB
>
> Tech Phone:+44.8454585077
>
> Tech Email:abuse@pandora.spamhaus.org
>
> Name Server:UDNS1.ULTRADNS.NET
>
> Name Server:UDNS2.ULTRADNS.NET
>
> Name Server:NS8.SPAMHAUS.OR
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
> The Viral Spiral 695 SW Millview Way Suite 106 Bend, OR 97702
>
>
> --------------------------------------
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> http://mailout.theviralnews.com/...........

awww poor spammer!

TOASTEDspam.com

2005-06-24, 7:32 pm

Viper wrote:
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>

What amazes me is we infact have a clueful spammer here. He seems to be
totally clued in to how stupid he is! I guess this qualifies as
meta-stupid, or maybe =FCber-stupid. *sheesh*

--=20
http://www.dorkchat.com/chat/login <-- chat for the clueful masses

Roger Bryant

2005-06-24, 7:32 pm

Thusly, it was spoken by the voices from within Viper's head on
6/24/2005 12:43 PM:
> Richard wrote:
>
<snip spanked spammer spam>[color=darkred]
>
>
> awww poor spammer!
>
>
I'm not a drinker, but Mr. Linford is at the top of the very short list
of people who I would buy a pint.
--
Test, Jamie, Test.
Just remember: It's the shiny side out.

Gary Woods

2005-06-24, 7:32 pm

"TOASTEDspam.com" <google@toastedspam.com> wrote:

>I guess this qualifies as
>meta-stupid, or maybe über-stupid. *sheesh*

I kinda like "willfully stupid" myself.

--
Gary Woods O- K2AHC Public keys at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic, or get 0x1D64A93D via keyserver
fingerprint = E2 6F 50 93 7B C7 F3 CA 1F 8B 3C C0 B0 28 68 0B

Wm James

2005-06-25, 4:15 am

On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 13:55:09 -0700, Roger Bryant
<roger_bryant@spamblocked.com> wrote:

>Thusly, it was spoken by the voices from within Viper's head on
>6/24/2005 12:43 PM:
><snip spanked spammer spam>
>I'm not a drinker, but Mr. Linford is at the top of the very short list
>of people who I would buy a pint.

He has a free case here should he ever visit. :)

William R. James

SuN Tsu

2005-06-25, 4:15 am

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A real confidence builder.

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Hmm, were they readed?

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Shirley a Rule # 3 "thingie" or whatever rule may cover inherent
confusion.

Money is for spending, not eating.

[color=darkred]

Always has been for three years.

[color=darkred]

Spammer wisdom is priceless.

[color=darkred]

Birds of a feather...

[color=darkred]

The majority rules, and they have chosen to block you. Although
unfortunate for you, that's how democracy works. :(

[color=darkred]

Speech is free. However, spamming and/or providing spam support does
come with a price.

[color=darkred]

If you are referring to the fact that you now find yourself on a list
which no one wants to be on and is given away free, for selling lists
which no one asked /wants to be, then yes.

[color=darkred]

He yelps, as the loud speakers blar out the Doors' "Come on Baby Light
My Fire."

Cheers,

SuN

--
"Not making any assumptions here, not making any accusations
here, just asking for people's opinions......."

-Darren Brothers <I.outed.Brian:@hillscapital.com> Hills Capital
Management Kook, *clueless* newbie, motivated by anger, hostility,
rage, paranoia and a personal quest for revenge, st00pidly posted
anti-spammer Brian Bruns, SOSDG.org's personal info in NANAE in an
act of immature cowardly revenge w/o benefit of proper research and
w/o performing necessary due diligence.

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