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| Todd H. 2005-05-11, 7:29 pm |
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Any straggling affordablehoser customers....
anyone else cheesed by the death of chat-based support?
I'm getting noises from the new overlords that they are considering
doing away with it for good despite it remaining as a feature bullet
on http://affordablehost.com/
If you have an opinion on this, it might be worth submitting a ticket
to that effect. The ability to learn from other users problems and
questions in a host-specific manner was one really nice thing about
chat. And if support wasn't around, sometimes other users could
correctly answer the question.
Best Regards,
--
Todd H.
http://www.toddh.net/
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| SmakDaddy 2005-05-11, 7:29 pm |
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"Todd H." <comphelp@toddh.net> wrote in message
news:84oebh7mui.fsf@ripco.com...
>
> Any straggling affordablehoser customers....
No.
> anyone else cheesed by the death of chat-based support?
Not really.
>
> I'm getting noises from the new overlords that they are considering
> doing away with it for good despite it remaining as a feature bullet
> on http://affordablehost.com/
Yea. Don't you hate it when companies buy one another, then don't make and
implement every needed change immediately?
>
> If you have an opinion on this, it might be worth submitting a ticket
> to that effect. The ability to learn from other users problems and
> questions in a host-specific manner was one really nice thing about
> chat. And if support wasn't around, sometimes other users could
> correctly answer the question.
Yawn ;)
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| FauxPrez 2005-05-11, 7:29 pm |
| In article <84oebh7mui.fsf@ripco.com>, comphelp@toddh.net (Todd
H.) wrote:
}
}Any straggling affordablehoser customers....
} anyone else cheesed by the death of chat-based support?
}
}I'm getting noises from the new overlords that they are considering
}doing away with it for good despite it remaining as a feature bullet
}on http://affordablehost.com/
}
}If you have an opinion on this, it might be worth submitting a ticket
}to that effect. The ability to learn from other users problems and
}questions in a host-specific manner was one really nice thing about
}chat. And if support wasn't around, sometimes other users could
}correctly answer the question.
}
}Best Regards,
Todd,
Thanks for your post. As opposed to the smarmy shit you'll get
from others in this group as replies to your post, I greatly
appreciate it.
In addition to chat being broken, they killed SSH (without
notice), and Spam Assassin is very broken. (And yes, I have
tickets in on both, neither of which has resulted in any
*action*.)
I'm giving them a bit more time to sort things out, but not much
longer. One has to wonder how many AH customers left as a result
of this sale.
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| Eric Jarvis 2005-05-11, 7:29 pm |
| Todd H. comphelp@toddh.net wrote in <84oebh7mui.fsf@ripco.com>:
>
> Any straggling affordablehoser customers....
> anyone else cheesed by the death of chat-based support?
>
I'll have to move elsewhere for hosting if it isn't up again very soon.
There are some tech problems that really require a real time interaction,
they just can't sensibly be dealt with by email. I'm not making an
intercontinental phone call if there are ANY web hosts at a comparable
price offering chat based support. I'm not sure how that works when it
comes to Tina's non compete clause, since removing one of the services I
contracted on the basis of is at least dubious to my mind.
--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"Hey Lord don't ask me questions
There ain't no answer in me"
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| Toby Inkster 2005-05-11, 7:29 pm |
| SmakDaddy wrote:
> Yea. Don't you hate it when companies buy one another, then don't make and
> implement every needed change immediately?
I don't think the complaint is that dotCanada are changing too slowly --
the complaint it that they're changing for the worse.
--
Toby A Inkster BSc (Hons) ARCS
Contact Me ~ http://tobyinkster.co.uk/contact
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| SmakDaddy 2005-05-11, 7:29 pm |
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"Toby Inkster" <usenet200504@tobyinkster.co.uk> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.05.11.18.31.38.384414@tobyinkster.co.uk...
> SmakDaddy wrote:
>
and[color=darkred]
>
> I don't think the complaint is that dotCanada are changing too slowly --
> the complaint it that they're changing for the worse.
>
> --
> Toby A Inkster BSc (Hons) ARCS
> Contact Me ~ http://tobyinkster.co.uk/contact
>
I know, I know ;)
It's just that while Allis is out, SmakDaddy will play ;) Smarmy ;)
The thing is, I've been watching the threads on WHT about AH/DC and it's
inevitable. When one company buys another, one must be folded into the
other, or it simply creates issues and problems. There are always issues
anyway to begin with the incorporation, which is what is being seen with
downtime and changes in supported services. Seems like DC didn't have too
many problems before of any note, but pick up another that operates
differently, there's going to be curve.
http://new.dotcanada.com/index.php?page=hosting
http://affordablehost.com/cpanel.shtml
Seems as though the clients of AH are leaning more to trying to change DC
into AH, which ain't gonna happen ;)
But they try and try.
It's a simple, read the TOS, the Plan offerings, and decide.
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| Todd H. 2005-05-11, 7:29 pm |
| shrub@whitehouse.gov (FauxPrez) writes:
> Thanks for your post. As opposed to the smarmy shit you'll get
> from others in this group as replies to your post, I greatly
> appreciate it.
I fully expect non AH readers to be fully sick of AH related postings,
but sad to say it's quite a chicken and egg thing. Lower subject
substring Affordablehost OR AH and be done with it. 8-) I don't feel
bad posting AH stuff if Tina were never a prominent fixutre here in
AWW, since many folks lurking here would never have joined them if she
weren't, and the absence of another more appropriate venue to reach
fellow AH customers, voila, here we are.
> In addition to chat being broken, they killed SSH (without
> notice),
For what it's worth, I am still able to SSH to my server on the
account I'd set up. Affordablehost even under the old boss had this
annoying tendency of making SSH accounts break anytime you upgraded
from one cpanel level to another. Dunno if that matters on your
system or not.
> and Spam Assassin is very broken. (And yes, I have tickets in on
> both, neither of which has resulted in any *action*.)
Curious, what are you seeing wrong with SA?
> I'm giving them a bit more time to sort things out, but not much
> longer. One has to wonder how many AH customers left as a result
> of this sale.
I've been pretty happy with the responsiveness to tickets (it's
actually better than Tina's crew's responsiveness to tickets, but less
so than responsiveness to chat), but if Chat goes the way of the dodo
bird and I can find another host that's better I'll surely be
"diversifying my hosting suppliers."
To their credit though, the new affordabledots control panel is an
welcome improvement. Having a cart to renew multiple domains at a
time is nice, and fields for separate billing and whois addresses is
nice too. Having an anonymous registration option is good too though
the fuggers want an extra $8 a year for it. And, damnit I want to be
able to sort my domains in expiration date order in the list! But
overall, a marked improvement in that interface.
Best Regards,
--
Todd H.
http://www.toddh.net/
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| Tina - AxisHOST, Inc. 2005-05-11, 7:29 pm |
| "Todd H." <comphelp@toddh.net> wrote in message
news:84fywtwk47.fsf@ripco.com...
> shrub@whitehouse.gov (FauxPrez) writes:
>Affordablehost even under the old boss had this
> annoying tendency of making SSH accounts break anytime you upgraded
> from one cpanel level to another. Dunno if that matters on your
> system or not.
That's actually a Cpanel thing and entirely unrelated to any particular
host. Unless you allow resellers to dole out SSH access to anyone they wish
(probably not a good idea), CPanel will disable SSH on an account if it is
upgraded/downgraded automatically.
--Tina
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| Hywel Jenkins 2005-05-11, 7:29 pm |
| In article <84oebh7mui.fsf@ripco.com>, comphelp@toddh.net says...
>
> Any straggling affordablehoser customers....
> anyone else cheesed by the death of chat-based support?
>
> I'm getting noises from the new overlords that they are considering
> doing away with it for good despite it remaining as a feature bullet
> on http://affordablehost.com/
>
> If you have an opinion on this, it might be worth submitting a ticket
> to that effect. The ability to learn from other users problems and
> questions in a host-specific manner was one really nice thing about
> chat. And if support wasn't around, sometimes other users could
> correctly answer the question.
http://site5.com/ - just started moving my stuff to them. So far their
support is outstanding. Tickets are submitted by email, and responses
are turned around within minutes, rather than days.
--
Hywel
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| Tina - AxisHOST, Inc. 2005-05-11, 11:18 pm |
| "Hywel Jenkins" <hyweljenkins@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1cec8ce483504a949896c8@news.eclipse.net.uk...
> In article <84oebh7mui.fsf@ripco.com>, comphelp@toddh.net says...
>
> http://site5.com/ - just started moving my stuff to them. So far their
> support is outstanding. Tickets are submitted by email, and responses
> are turned around within minutes, rather than days.
I've heard very good things about site5.com.
--Tina
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| FauxPrez wrote:
> One has to wonder how many AH customers left as a result
> of this sale.
**raises hand**
I moved my web site about two weeks after the sale. Had planned on
leaving my domain registration there for a while. Not anymore.
The final straw was when AffordableDots sent me new login info for both
of my domains (I have only one). And yes, I went into the other one and
it had my name as the registrant and someone else as the other three
positions. Funny thing was it wasn't now and never was mine.
I sent them a help ticket about it and never heard back. And I can still
log in to the domain too. Doesn't speak well for their security.
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"Toby Inkster" <usenet200504@tobyinkster.co.uk> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.05.11.18.31.38.384414@tobyinkster.co.uk...
> SmakDaddy wrote:
>
and[color=darkred]
>
> I don't think the complaint is that dotCanada are changing too slowly --
> the complaint it that they're changing for the worse.
>
The fact is that the only reason people would miss a Tech Support chat is
that so many need it now.
I was talking to a few people who had sites still there that are claiming
some wild things are going on.
And if the servers are still in Tinas hands, sounds like both places are to
be avoided now.
One word for affordable host customers looking for more stability,....TRIPOD
!! <g>
Amun
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| Tina - AxisHOST, Inc. 2005-05-14, 7:23 pm |
| "Amun" <spamblocker@bell.net> wrote in message
news:ygghe.42346$XX1.978567@news20.bellglobal.com...
>
> "Toby Inkster" <usenet200504@tobyinkster.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:pan.2005.05.11.18.31.38.384414@tobyinkster.co.uk...
> and
>
> The fact is that the only reason people would miss a Tech Support chat is
> that so many need it now.
> I was talking to a few people who had sites still there that are claiming
> some wild things are going on.
>
> And if the servers are still in Tinas hands, sounds like both places are
> to
> be avoided now.
We have ZERO management of their servers. They are colocating them in our
datacenter...that's all.
--Tina
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| Richard 2005-05-14, 7:23 pm |
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"Tina - AxisHOST, Inc." <tpeters@axishost.com> wrote in message
news:d64s2n0202g@news4.newsguy.com...
> "Amun" <spamblocker@bell.net> wrote in message
> news:ygghe.42346$XX1.978567@news20.bellglobal.com...
>
>
> We have ZERO management of their servers. They are colocating them in our
> datacenter...that's all.
>
> --Tina
>
>
Hi Tina .... miss your gentle hand running things .... maybe you can mention
to them that many people are complaining - there is little in the way of
help - and when you do get a response they tell you it is the server - and
do nothing to resolve the problem --- that is - IF they have someone at the
center --
I am sorry I paid for a number of years in advance....
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| Todd H. 2005-05-14, 7:23 pm |
| "Richard" <richx@optonline.net> writes:
> I am sorry I paid for a number of years in advance....
You and me both.
--
Todd H.
http://www.toddh.net/
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| Charles Sweeney 2005-05-14, 7:23 pm |
| Richard wrote
> Hi Tina .... miss your gentle hand running things
Hey, I didn't know gentle hands was part of the service!
--
Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com
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| Tina - AxisHOST, Inc. 2005-05-14, 7:23 pm |
| "Charles Sweeney" <me@charlessweeney.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9656BA2E0D133mecharlessweeneycom@130.133.1.4...
> Richard wrote
>
>
> Hey, I didn't know gentle hands was part of the service!
That and free puppies! ;-)
http://www.axishost.com/puppies.jpg - born 6 days ago
http://www.axishost.com/jakelacy.jpg - mom and dad
--Tina
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| Charles Sweeney 2005-05-14, 7:23 pm |
| Tina - AxisHOST, Inc. wrote
> "Charles Sweeney" <me@charlessweeney.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9656BA2E0D133mecharlessweeneycom@130.133.1.4...
> That and free puppies! ;-)
Anyone want a puppy?!
> http://www.axishost.com/puppies.jpg - born 6 days ago
Cute!
--
Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com
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| William Tasso 2005-05-14, 7:23 pm |
| Forging a path through the alt.www.webmaster jungle, armed only with a
rusty Xnews/06.12.01, Charles Sweeney burst into a clearing and said:
> Tina - AxisHOST, Inc. wrote
>
>
>
> Anyone want a puppy?!
Just so long as it can manage a hosting operation that handles more than
the usual compliment of fleas and associated parasites.
--
Whatever you do - do something.
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| Hywel Jenkins 2005-05-15, 7:27 pm |
| In article <d5u83o02v7d@news3.newsguy.com>, tpeters@axishost.com says...
> "Hywel Jenkins" <hyweljenkins@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1cec8ce483504a949896c8@news.eclipse.net.uk...
>
>
> I've heard very good things about site5.com.
If only *you* didn't have this non-compete agreement ;)
Still impressed with them. They installed SSL for me over the weekend,
though email responses had slipped to about 25 minutes.
--
Hywel
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| FauxPrez 2005-05-22, 7:25 pm |
| In article <84fywtwk47.fsf@ripco.com>, comphelp@toddh.net (Todd
H.) wrote:
}shrub@whitehouse.gov (FauxPrez) writes:
}
}> In addition to chat being broken, they killed SSH (without
}> notice),
}
}For what it's worth, I am still able to SSH to my server on the
}account I'd set up. Affordablehost even under the old boss had this
}annoying tendency of making SSH accounts break anytime you upgraded
}from one cpanel level to another. Dunno if that matters on your
}system or not.
My experience has been completely different from yours re: the
new AH and SSH. Here is the current policy of which I'm currently
a victim:
http://www.webhosthelpdesk.com/?_a=...m=details&_i=19
Re: Shell access
11 May 2005 - Support - Mike
Last edited by Support - Jeff, 21 May 2005
................................................................
Shell access accross AffordableHost servers
................................................................
AffordableHost administration has been debating the practice of
offering shell access to our customers. We are grappling with the
need to secure your shared server environment over the possible
imposition of the same clients to reasonably administer their
account without shell access. This is not a decision we can make
without due consideration and in that light, we have planned an
evaluation, and decided that a complete investigation will take
us to the end of the month (May). At that time we will have
established an official policy, and planned a method to enact it.
Until such time as an official policy decision is made, shell
access will be disabled across our servers. Please subscribe to
this announcement if you would like to be kept abreast of future
developments.
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| William Tasso 2005-05-23, 7:44 pm |
| Forging a path through the Usenet jungle, armed only with a rusty News
Xpress 2.0 Beta #2, FauxPrez stumbled into alt.www.webmaster and said:
> In article <84fywtwk47.fsf@ripco.com>, comphelp@toddh.net (Todd
> H.) wrote:
> }shrub@whitehouse.gov (FauxPrez) writes:
> }
> }> killed SSH (withoutnotice) ...
> }
> }For what it's worth, I am still able to SSH ...
>
> My experience has been completely different from yours ...
It could be regarded as sensible to never host with a company that allows
other users to have shell access. Nor a host that allows other users to
install executables. Rather than lambast your host, you should applaud
them.
--
Whatever you do - do something.
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| allmyjunkisstored@gmail.com 2005-05-24, 7:47 pm |
|
William Tasso schreef:
> Forging a path through the Usenet jungle, armed only with a rusty
News
> Xpress 2.0 Beta #2, FauxPrez stumbled into alt.www.webmaster and
said:
>
>
> It could be regarded as sensible to never host with a company that
allows
> other users to have shell access. Nor a host that allows other users
to
> install executables. Rather than lambast your host, you should
applaud
> them.
>
> --
> Whatever you do - do something.
Seems I'm one of many who is unhappy with the decline of
Affordablehosts services since the sale.
I have two tickets (for relatively minor issues) open for two weeks
without a reply.
Today a problem has occured with the security certificate of a site
hosted with them. Sent an "urgent" ticket hours ago without any
reply....
For anyone with any knowledge in that area please give me some advice!
The site is @ www.wireless-kit.com/shop
I can't even move to Tina's new company..
:-(
E.
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|
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<allmyjunkisstored@XXXXXXXXXX> wrote in message
news:1116952296.371061.51890@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> Seems I'm one of many who is unhappy with the decline of
> Affordablehosts services since the sale.
> I have two tickets (for relatively minor issues) open for two weeks
> without a reply.
> Today a problem has occured with the security certificate of a site
> hosted with them. Sent an "urgent" ticket hours ago without any
> reply....
> For anyone with any knowledge in that area please give me some advice!
> The site is @ www.wireless-kit.com/shop
>
> I can't even move to Tina's new company..
> :-(
>
> E.
>
Quick view of the cert states ownership is AFH.
Was this a shared SSL setup you were using?
Wildcard on their servers?
This is mostly due to the "gender" change of the Co to dotC.
Either you raise up dotC and see what the options are...
Get your own Cert and see if you can install in in your WHM, if optioned and
you have access to.
Move...
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| William Tasso 2005-05-24, 7:47 pm |
| Forging a path through the Usenet jungle, armed only with a rusty
Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000, Allis stumbled into
alt.www.webmaster and said:
>
> <allmyjunkisstored@XXXXXXXXXX> wrote in message
> news:1116952296.371061.51890@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Quick view of the cert states ownership is AFH.
FFS - what a fcucking shambles.
Children, I do hope you're paying attention. Remember when looking at
purchasing a company that due diligence must cover /all/ operational
activities as well as the goddamn bookeeping records.
--
Whatever you do - do something.
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| Tina - AxisHOST, Inc. 2005-05-24, 7:47 pm |
| "William Tasso" <SpamBlocked@tbdata.com> wrote in message
news:op.sragzmnum9g4qz-wnt@tbdata.com...
> Forging a path through the Usenet jungle, armed only with a rusty
> Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000, Allis stumbled into
> alt.www.webmaster and said:
>
>
> FFS - what a fcucking shambles.
>
> Children, I do hope you're paying attention. Remember when looking at
> purchasing a company that due diligence must cover /all/ operational
> activities as well as the goddamn bookeeping records.
You're assuming/implying something about the AH sale that you shouldn't.
;-)
--Tina
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| William Tasso 2005-05-24, 7:47 pm |
| Tina spoke:
> "William Tasso" <SpamBlocked@tbdata.com> wrote
[color=darkred]
> You're assuming/implying something about the AH sale
correct
> that you shouldn't.
> ;-)
hrmmm - it's been said I've done many such things
I wish you a good post-AH life Tina but please will you stop spamming your
nic in here. It's tacky, demeaning and frankly I'd like to believe such
behaviour is beneath you.
--
Whatever you do - do something.
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| GreyWyvern 2005-05-24, 7:47 pm |
| And lo, William Tasso didst speak in alt.www.webmaster:
> I wish you a good post-AH life Tina but please will you stop spamming
> your nic in here. It's tacky, demeaning and frankly I'd like to believe
> such behaviour is beneath you.
Seconded. For perhaps the third or fourth time, as well.
Grey
--
The technical axiom that nothing is impossible sinisterly implies the
pitfall corollory that nothing is ridiculous.
- http://www.greywyvern.com/ringmaker - Orca Ringmaker: Host a web ring
from your website!
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| Matt Probert 2005-05-24, 7:47 pm |
| Once upon a time, far far away "William Tasso"
<SpamBlocked@tbdata.com> spluttered
>I wish you a good post-AH life Tina but please will you stop spamming your
>nic in here. It's tacky, demeaning and frankly I'd like to believe such
>behaviour is beneath you.
Roll Up! Roll Up!
Pu the kettle on. Break out the hob nobs! I sense a new death-match
commencing!
<settles back to watch>
Matt
--
The Probert Encyclopaedia - Beyond Britannica
http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com
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| Tina - AxisHOST, Inc. 2005-05-24, 7:47 pm |
| "William Tasso" <SpamBlocked@tbdata.com> wrote in message
news:op.srak9gfjm9g4qz-wnt@tbdata.com...
> Tina spoke:
>
>
>
> correct
>
>
> hrmmm - it's been said I've done many such things
>
> I wish you a good post-AH life Tina but please will you stop spamming your
> nic in here. It's tacky, demeaning and frankly I'd like to believe such
> behaviour is beneath you.
I'll think about it.
--Tina
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| William Tasso 2005-05-24, 7:47 pm |
| Forging a path through the Usenet jungle, armed only with a rusty
Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180, Tina - AxisHOST, Inc. stumbled
into alt.www.webmaster and said:
> ...
> I'll think about it.
kissy kissy
--
Whatever you do - do something.
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| Tina - AxisHOST, Inc. 2005-05-24, 7:47 pm |
| "Tina - AxisHOST, Inc." <tpeters@axishost.com> wrote in message
news:d6vtjk017co@news2.newsguy.com...
> "William Tasso" <SpamBlocked@tbdata.com> wrote in message
> news:op.srak9gfjm9g4qz-wnt@tbdata.com...
>
> I'll think about it.
Yeah...I thought about it. I think I'll leave it the way it is. ;-)
--Tina
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| William Tasso 2005-05-24, 7:47 pm |
| Tina:
> Tina:
>
> Yeah...I thought about it.
really? I don't think so. /smack
> I think I'll leave it the way it is. ;-)
repeat after me - I will NOT spam the good and kindly folk at AWW
to do so is would display crass insensitivity and be a fine indicator of
how little respect the author had for other participants, many of whom are
competing on the same street but somehow manage to rise above the tacky
display of vulgarity exemplified by this type of ill-advised showmanship.
Please don't regard this as a face off, rather I'd guess you will gain
friends (and/or customers) by a display of good grace and statesmanship.
--
Whatever you do - do something.
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| Eric Jarvis 2005-05-24, 11:28 pm |
| Matt Probert comments@probertencyclopaedia.com wrote in
<42937bb8.17784132@news.ntlworld.com>:
> Once upon a time, far far away "William Tasso"
> <SpamBlocked@tbdata.com> spluttered
>
>
> Roll Up! Roll Up!
>
> Pu the kettle on. Break out the hob nobs! I sense a new death-match
> commencing!
>
> <settles back to watch>
>
> Matt
>
>
> --
> The Probert Encyclopaedia - Beyond Britannica
> http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com
>
Ubggre! And here's me with nothing to sell.
Ho hum. I suppose I could do a favour for some friends.
--
eric
www.artscatalyst.org
www.careyyoung.com
www.bigbaer.com
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| GreyWyvern 2005-05-24, 11:28 pm |
| Tina - AxisHOST, Inc. <tpeters@axishost.com> wrote:
> "GreyWyvern" wrote...
>
> *all* the recommendations? Hrm. I didn't realize that AWW consisted of
> the entire planet and hosting market. I wonder where we get our
> customers from then? ;-)
If AWW is such a miniscule generator of business for you, then why do you
feel it is necessary to thrust your corporate name in our faces? If what
you say is true, there should be no reason why you need to keep "AxisHOST,
Inc." as part of your handle.
Oh, other than the fact that you don't give a shit about this newsgroup.
Grey
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| Tina - AxisHOST, Inc. 2005-05-24, 11:28 pm |
| "Red E. Kilowatt" <kilowattREMOVE@aww-faq.org> wrote in message
news:zhOke.46481$887.21108@tornado.socal.rr.com...
> "William Tasso" <SpamBlocked@tbdata.com> wrote in message
> news:op.srao8mvjm9g4qz-wnt@tbdata.com
>
> I wouldn't go so far as to call it spam, but it does seem a bit tacky and
> unusual.
Let me get this straight...we're talking about my "From" field that says
Tina - AxisHOST, Inc. The one that doesn't include a URL or anyway to
contact me directly?
That's funny. You guys need to get out more. :-D
--Tina
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| Tina - AxisHOST, Inc. 2005-05-24, 11:28 pm |
|
"GreyWyvern" <spam@greywyvern.com> wrote in message
news:op.sraywh0qsl6xfd@greywyvern.belkin...
> Tina - AxisHOST, Inc. <tpeters@axishost.com> wrote:
>
> If AWW is such a miniscule generator of business for you, then why do you
> feel it is necessary to thrust your corporate name in our faces? If what
> you say is true, there should be no reason why you need to keep "AxisHOST,
> Inc." as part of your handle.
>
> Oh, other than the fact that you don't give a shit about this newsgroup.
Wow, you have the whole thing figured out. Clever you.
--Tina
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| Red E. Kilowatt 2005-05-24, 11:28 pm |
| "Tina - AxisHOST, Inc." <tpeters@axishost.com> wrote in message
news:d70ckf01q28@news2.newsguy.com
> "Red E. Kilowatt" <kilowattREMOVE@aww-faq.org> wrote in message
> news:zhOke.46481$887.21108@tornado.socal.rr.com...
>
>
> Let me get this straight...we're talking about my "From" field that
> says Tina - AxisHOST, Inc. The one that doesn't include a URL or
> anyway to contact me directly?
>
> That's funny. You guys need to get out more. :-D
>
> --Tina
It's not important one way or the other. I was just offering an opinion
as to the relative merits of it.
--
Red
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| William Tasso 2005-05-24, 11:28 pm |
| Tina:
> "Red E. Kilowatt" <kilowattREMOVE@aww-faq.org> wrote in message
> news:zhOke.46481$887.21108@tornado.socal.rr.com...
I would - because that is the effect of it. There are folk in this group
that put time and effort into civilising newbie spammers (rather than
spamcop-ing). Blatant in-your-face advertising by old-timers undermines
those efforts.
[color=darkred]
>
> Let me get this straight...we're talking about my "From" field that says
> Tina - AxisHOST, Inc.
bingo - that's the baby.
You /can/ do it, I know you can. Just highlight that 'field' and press
'delete'. Go on, give it a try. It will feel strange at first but you
will get used to it, I promise. That helpless naked feeling fades quite
quick but there is medication available if you wish to prolong the
experience.
--
Whatever you do - do something.
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| Tina - AxisHOST, Inc. 2005-05-25, 4:37 am |
| "GreyWyvern" <spam@greywyvern.com> wrote in message
news:op.sra7hvolsl6xfd@greywyvern.belkin...
> Tina - AxisHOST, Inc. <tpeters@axishost.com> wrote:
>
> So that makes *two* goals. You need to get rid of your spam handle, *and*
> get a new stock "you're-right,-I-don't-give-a-shit" line.
Actually, I don't *need* to do anything different. *You* need to get over
thinking my actions really matter in your life. They don't.
--Tina
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| GreyWyvern 2005-05-25, 4:37 am |
| Tina - AxisHOST, Inc. <tpeters@axishost.com> wrote:
> "GreyWyvern" wrote...
>
> Actually, I don't *need* to do anything different. *You* need to get
> over
> thinking my actions really matter in your life. They don't.
Now you accuse me of thinking only of myself? Really, if you don't have
anything to say in your defence, other than that your arrogance trumps a
reasonable request by other newsgroup participants, then just say so; and
quit wasting our time with all this pitiable self-righteousness.
Grey
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| Tina - AxisHOST, Inc. 2005-05-25, 8:14 am |
| "GreyWyvern" <spam@greywyvern.com> wrote in message
news:op.srbag9iisl6xfd@greywyvern.belkin...
> Tina - AxisHOST, Inc. <tpeters@axishost.com> wrote:
>
> Now you accuse me of thinking only of myself?
No, I accuse you of spending far too much time obsessing with my "From"
field. Its not a big deal. Let it go.
--Tina
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| GreyWyvern 2005-05-25, 7:58 pm |
| Tina - AxisHOST, Inc. <tpeters@axishost.com> wrote:
> No, I accuse you of spending far too much time obsessing with my "From"
> field. Its not a big deal. Let it go.
This conversation has nothing to do with me. Quit bringing me into it to
help you evade answering the question.
So I challenge you again: If it is *such* a small deal, and what business
you get from AWW is negligible, why is it so hard for you to remove your
corporate name from your From: header? Or at least move it to the
Organization: header, I mean, that's what that header is *for*.
You are the only "regular" in AWW who does this. I am honestly asking you
why you feel you are priviledged to keep your corporate name in your
handle when many other participants have asked you nicely (and not so
nicely) to remove it in the past.
Grey
| |
| Charles Sweeney 2005-05-25, 7:58 pm |
| GreyWyvern wrote
> remove your corporate name from your From: header? Or at least move
> it to the Organization: header
Sounds like a good solution.
--
Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com
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|
| On Tue, 24 May 2005 22:55:27 GMT, Red E. Kilowatt wrote:
> "William Tasso" <SpamBlocked@tbdata.com> wrote in message
> news:op.srao8mvjm9g4qz-wnt@tbdata.com
>
> I wouldn't go so far as to call it spam, but it does seem a bit tacky
> and unusual.
I wouldn't worry about Tina's messages. Spam to me are the buckets of
irrelevant messages by people like Sweeney.
Karim
--
http://www.cheapesthosting.com - Innovative Web Hosting since 1998
Spam and Virus protected email - Online calendars with email notification
Camera phone photos automatic transfers to your photo album (RSS Enabled
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| Todd H. 2005-05-25, 7:58 pm |
| GreyWyvern <spam@greywyvern.com> writes:
> Tina - AxisHOST, Inc. <tpeters@axishost.com> wrote:
>
>
> This conversation has nothing to do with me. Quit bringing me into it
> to help you evade answering the question.
>
> So I challenge you again: If it is *such* a small deal, and what
> business you get from AWW is negligible, why is it so hard for you to
> remove your corporate name from your From: header? Or at least move
> it to the Organization: header, I mean, that's what that header is
> *for*.
>
> You are the only "regular" in AWW who does this. I am honestly asking
> you why you feel you are priviledged to keep your corporate name in
> your handle when many other participants have asked you nicely (and
> not so nicely) to remove it in the past.
Rant:
Handle? WTF is a handle? This is usenet. We have From: headers and
we have... um, From: headers. They're composed of full names and
email addresses. If we were CB-ing, then maybe we can talk about
handles, but we're not.
Look folks, Tina's pissed me off as much as the next guy (leaving me
with a shit XXX hosting outfit based in Canada for fun and profit),
but she's also a helpful contributor to the forum more often than not.
So whether she includes here business's name in her full name in the
From header, who gives a flyin fsck? It's hardly spam by any
reasonable definition fer chrissakes. It's her online identity. That
others don't choose to have any traceable route to their business
pursuits is their choice, but forcing everyone into that level is just
pedantic and silly.
Best Regards,
--
Todd H.
http://www.toddh.net/
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|
| On Tue, 24 May 2005 19:17:24 -0400, Tina - AxisHOST, Inc. wrote:
> "Red E. Kilowatt" <kilowattREMOVE@aww-faq.org> wrote in message
> news:zhOke.46481$887.21108@tornado.socal.rr.com...
>
>
> Let me get this straight...we're talking about my "From" field that says
> Tina - AxisHOST, Inc. The one that doesn't include a URL or anyway to
> contact me directly?
>
> That's funny. You guys need to get out more. :-D
>
> --Tina
This makes me come to think why people like Grey and Tasso stopped using
their vanity sites in their sigs. I still see Sweeney waving his goofy
photo around. The amount of offtopic messages these people post is a more
serious problem that your handle. Maybe I should include "cheapesting.com"
in my handle and tick them off. That would be a pleasure.
Karim
--
http://www.cheapesthosting.com - Innovative Web Hosting since 1998
Spam and Virus protected email - Online calendars with email notification
Camera phone photos automatic transfers to your photo album (RSS Enabled
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| Tina - AxisHOST, Inc. 2005-05-25, 7:58 pm |
| "GreyWyvern" <spam@greywyvern.com> wrote in message
news:op.srbwpxjdsl6xfd@greywyvern.belkin...
> Tina - AxisHOST, Inc. <tpeters@axishost.com> wrote:
>
>
> This conversation has nothing to do with me. Quit bringing me into it to
> help you evade answering the question.
>
> So I challenge you again: If it is *such* a small deal, and what business
> you get from AWW is negligible, why is it so hard for you to remove your
> corporate name from your From: header? Or at least move it to the
> Organization: header, I mean, that's what that header is *for*.
>
> You are the only "regular" in AWW who does this. I am honestly asking you
> why you feel you are priviledged to keep your corporate name in your
> handle when many other participants have asked you nicely (and not so
> nicely) to remove it in the past.
Because its not a big deal and I don't have to. Anyone who *thinks* its a
big deal needs to find more important things to worry about. If you have a
problem with it and *really* think its a big deal...plonk me, report me to
the powers that be, take a xanax, keep whining about how its destroying
usenet life as we know it, etc.
However, I'm not changing it - and since this topic comes up every so often,
you should know that by now. ;-)
--Tina
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| Tina - AxisHOST, Inc. 2005-05-25, 7:58 pm |
|
"Charles Sweeney" <me@charlessweeney.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96618605A625Amecharlessweeneycom@130.133.1.4...
> GreyWyvern wrote
>
>
> Sounds like a good solution.
Sounds like people need to find more important things to get upset about.
My business name in my "from" field is such a silly thing to get all worked
up over.
--Tina
| |
|
| On Tue, 24 May 2005 22:21:21 -0400, GreyWyvern wrote:
> Tina - AxisHOST, Inc. <tpeters@axishost.com> wrote:
>
> So that makes *two* goals. You need to get rid of your spam handle, *and*
> get a new stock "you're-right,-I-don't-give-a-shit" line.
>
> <http://groups-beta.google.com/group...e517d8a3c4b861e>
> <http://groups-beta.google.com/group...b004b66c5027ac9>
> <http://groups-beta.google.com/group...c49a3a0c40e331b>
> <http://groups-beta.google.com/group...a09e1fdb15adc13>
>
> Grey
You sure have a ton of time investing and doing a little research on an
issue that you can easily ignore and think about no more.. like putting her
in your killfile. I consider you a spammer as one of the top regulars here
who posts too many non webmaster related messages and therefore consuming
my bandwidth and diskspace which cost me money. If you are one of the
people who thinks anything goes in an alt group, then let her put what she
wants in her handle and stop whining about it. You have your logic and
priorities screwed up. dweeb.
Karim
--
http://www.cheapesthosting.com - Innovative Web Hosting since 1998
Spam and Virus protected email - Online calendars with email notification
Camera phone photos automatic transfers to your photo album (RSS Enabled
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| GreyWyvern 2005-05-25, 7:58 pm |
| And lo, Todd H. didst speak in alt.www.webmaster:
> Handle? WTF is a handle? This is usenet. We have From: headers and
> we have... um, From: headers. They're composed of full names and
> email addresses. If we were CB-ing, then maybe we can talk about
> handles, but we're not.
http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/H/handle.html
> Look folks, Tina's pissed me off as much as the next guy (leaving me
> with a shit XXX hosting outfit based in Canada for fun and profit),
> but she's also a helpful contributor to the forum more often than not.
I very much agree. If she wasn't contributing anything of value to AWW I
would just killfile her.
> So whether she includes here business's name in her full name in the
> From header, who gives a flyin fsck? It's hardly spam by any
> reasonable definition fer chrissakes. It's her online identity.
Can you picture an AWW where *everyone* puts their business name in their
From: header? What planet are you from?
> That
> others don't choose to have any traceable route to their business
> pursuits is their choice
*Most* people are respectful enough of other newsgroup participants to use
their Organization: header, or their sig to promote their site/business.
Like you, for instance.
Grey
| |
| GreyWyvern 2005-05-25, 7:58 pm |
| And lo, Karim didst speak in alt.www.webmaster:
> I wouldn't worry about Tina's messages. Spam to me are the buckets of
> irrelevant messages by people like Sweeney.
I don't believe anyone asked you. In fact, we weren't even talking about
Charles, but I bet you just like typing his name. That's creepy, dude.
Grey
| |
| GreyWyvern 2005-05-25, 7:58 pm |
| And lo, Tina - AxisHOST, Inc. didst speak in alt.www.webmaster:
> However, I'm not changing it - and since this topic comes up every so
> often,
> you should know that by now. ;-)
Like I said, you don't give a shit about this newsgroup.
Grey
| |
| Charles Sweeney 2005-05-25, 7:58 pm |
| Karim wrote
> I consider you a spammer
I consider you a knob.
--
Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com
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| Charles Sweeney 2005-05-25, 7:58 pm |
| Karim wrote
> I still see Sweeney waving his
> goofy photo around.
Hey, leave my goofy out of this!
> Maybe I should include
> "cheapesting.com" in my handle
Maybe you should! Although "crappiest" would be more appropriate.
--
Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com
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| GreyWyvern 2005-05-25, 7:58 pm |
| And lo, Tina - AxisHOST, Inc. didst speak in alt.www.webmaster:
> Sounds like people need to find more important things to get upset about.
> My business name in my "from" field is such a silly thing to get all
> worked
> up over.
So said you the last two responses in this thread. I'm beginning to fear
I've broken the record.
If it is such a trivial thing, why do you keep avoiding the question? Why
do you feel to must include your business name in your From: header when a
number of other regulars have requested you remove it?
If it is so silly to get worked up about all this, just *answer the
question* and we can move on. Trivializing the question (as you have done
*three* posts in a row now) does NOT answer it.
Grey
| |
| GreyWyvern 2005-05-25, 7:58 pm |
| And lo, Karim didst speak in alt.www.webmaster:
> You sure have a ton of time investing and doing a little research on an
> issue that you can easily ignore and think about no more.. like putting
> her
> in your killfile.
Listen, I don't hate Tina; although it's moderately amusing when she
avoids answering direct questions concerning her motives about things
which she herself trivializes.
I respect her, and value her as a contributor to this newsgroup. I would
never killfile her because of annoying habits she may have. You see, I
don't killfile people for being silly or stubborn. I killfile people for
being complete idiots.
So far, you aren't on that list, even though you're pretty annoying.
> I consider you a spammer as one of the top regulars here
> who posts too many non webmaster related messages and therefore consuming
> my bandwidth and diskspace which cost me money.
Why are you here?
> If you are one of the
> people who thinks anything goes in an alt group,
I think you have me confused with someone else.
> then let her put what she
> wants in her handle and stop whining about it. You have your logic and
> priorities screwed up. dweeb.
In the end, Tina can put whatever she wants in her From: header. She has
just never answered the question: why, after numerous requests by other
regulars to be more discrete about it, she has stubbornly refused to
remove it.
AFAICT there are two possible reasons: 1) She doesn't know how to use her
newsreader, or 2) she doesn't give a shit about AWW and those who ask her
to just be herself.
I suspect #2, but she's never sat still in any debate long enough to give
an answer. If there is an answer #3 she has hidden up her sleeve, I'm
still waiting to hear it.
Grey
| |
| Dylan Parry 2005-05-25, 7:58 pm |
| Using a pointed stick and some pebbles, Charles Sweeney scraped this
into the dirt:
>
> I consider you a knob.
I consider you the authority on knob identification :D
--
Dylan Parry
http://electricfreedom.org -- Where the Music Progressively Rocks!
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| Charles Sweeney 2005-05-25, 7:59 pm |
| Dylan Parry wrote
> Using a pointed stick and some pebbles, Charles Sweeney scraped this
> into the dirt:
>
>
> I consider you the authority on knob identification :D
Watch it boyo!
--
Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com
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| Dylan Parry 2005-05-25, 7:59 pm |
| Using a pointed stick and some pebbles, GreyWyvern scraped this into the
dirt:
> Listen, I don't hate Tina; although it's moderately amusing when she
> avoids answering direct questions concerning her motives about things
> which she herself trivializes.
Crikey, are you sure you're name isn't really Brian /Paxman/? :)
--
Dylan Parry
http://electricfreedom.org -- Where the Music Progressively Rocks!
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| GreyWyvern 2005-05-25, 7:59 pm |
| And lo, Karim didst speak in alt.www.webmaster:
> Maybe I should include "cheapesting.com"
> in my handle and tick them off. That would be a pleasure.
While Tina is a valuable contributor to this newsgroup, *you* are not. So
do it, and finally I will have reason enough to killfile you. I don't
doubt many others would too.
I ask you again, why are you here? Why do you keep coming back? Some
sort of masochism?
Grey
BTW, my sig still, and always has, led to my "vanity" site. I
respectfully do not include it in every one of my posts.
--
The technical axiom that nothing is impossible sinisterly implies the
pitfall corollory that nothing is ridiculous.
- http://www.greywyvern.com/ringmaker - Orca Ringmaker: Host a web ring
from your website!
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| GreyWyvern 2005-05-25, 7:59 pm |
| And lo, Dylan Parry didst speak in alt.www.webmaster:
> Using a pointed stick and some pebbles, GreyWyvern scraped this into the
> dirt:
>
>
> Crikey, are you sure you're name isn't really Brian /Paxman/? :)
I don't really care for UK politics, but I did find the interview quite
enjoyable. There are a few *other* politicians I'd like to see sitting
where Galloway was, actually, just to see how they would fare. That would
be great TV ;)
Grey
| |
| Tina - AxisHOST, Inc. 2005-05-25, 7:59 pm |
| "GreyWyvern" <spam@greywyvern.com> wrote in message
news:op.srb58fausl6xfd@news.nas.net...
> And lo, Karim didst speak in alt.www.webmaster:
>
>
> Listen, I don't hate Tina; although it's moderately amusing when she
> avoids answering direct questions concerning her motives about things
> which she herself trivializes.
>
> I respect her, and value her as a contributor to this newsgroup. I would
> never killfile her because of annoying habits she may have. You see, I
> don't killfile people for being silly or stubborn. I killfile people for
> being complete idiots.
>
> So far, you aren't on that list, even though you're pretty annoying.
>
>
> Why are you here?
>
>
> I think you have me confused with someone else.
>
>
> In the end, Tina can put whatever she wants in her From: header. She has
> just never answered the question: why, after numerous requests by other
> regulars to be more discrete about it, she has stubbornly refused to
> remove it.
>
> AFAICT there are two possible reasons: 1) She doesn't know how to use her
> newsreader, or 2) she doesn't give a shit about AWW and those who ask her
> to just be herself.
>
> I suspect #2, but she's never sat still in any debate long enough to give
> an answer. If there is an answer #3 she has hidden up her sleeve, I'm
> still waiting to hear it.
I've stated before why I leave it there. If you are so bothered by it that
you feel the need to dredge up the subject every few months...then I am
happy to sit back in amusement and watch. ;-)
--Tina
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| Red E. Kilowatt 2005-05-25, 7:59 pm |
| "Tina - AxisHOST, Inc." <tpeters@axishost.com> wrote in message
news:d7202n0157v@news2.newsguy.com
> "Charles Sweeney" <me@charlessweeney.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns96618605A625Amecharlessweeneycom@130.133.1.4...
>
> Sounds like people need to find more important things to get upset
> about. My business name in my "from" field is such a silly thing to
> get all worked up over.
>
> --Tina
Oh come on Tina. No one is upset or worked up.
You've been exposed to plenty of criticism in these newsgroups over the
years and you have proven yourself to be a very tough customer. No one
will ever mistake you for a pushover, so perhaps you can see your way
clear to make an accomodation just this once?
--
Red
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| GreyWyvern 2005-05-25, 7:59 pm |
| And lo, Tina - AxisHOST, Inc. didst speak in alt.www.webmaster:
> I've stated before why I leave it there.
Tsk, tsk. Now you're a liar as well? Show me a post where you've
"stated" why you leave your corporate/organization name in your From:
header, despite requests to move/remove it.
> If you are so bothered by it that
> you feel the need to dredge up the subject every few months...then I am
> happy to sit back in amusement and watch. ;-)
Pardon me if you think it's the From: header itself that bothers me; it's
not. Rather it's the patronizing way you dismiss requests by other
regulars, of good repute I may add, to remove it.
Which only fuels my suspicions that you really don't give a shit about
this newsgroup. Why don't you show us all that you do? Either answer the
question, or remove the company name. Like Red says, no one will think
less of you for it.
What are you afraid of? That I'm going to dance a jig, and hand out party
favours if you remove it?
Grey
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| Tina - AxisHOST, Inc. 2005-05-25, 7:59 pm |
| "Red E. Kilowatt" <kilowattREMOVE@aww-faq.org> wrote in message
news:Y91le.9282$h86.5932@tornado.socal.rr.com...
> "Tina - AxisHOST, Inc." <tpeters@axishost.com> wrote in message
> news:d7202n0157v@news2.newsguy.com
>
> Oh come on Tina. No one is upset or worked up.
>
> You've been exposed to plenty of criticism in these newsgroups over the
> years and you have proven yourself to be a very tough customer. No one
> will ever mistake you for a pushover, so perhaps you can see your way
> clear to make an accomodation just this once?
If I thought it were a valid reason, or made any kind of logical sense at
all...I would. I am proud of my business and have worked very hard to get
where I am today. It was once requested that I change it from Tina -
Affordablehost.com to remove the URL, since it sounded spammy. Although it
seemed a bit of a stretch, to me, I changed it to appease several people
here. I'm not willing to change it again.
--Tina
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| Matt Probert 2005-05-25, 7:59 pm |
| Once upon a time, far far away GreyWyvern <spam@greywyvern.com>
spluttered
>You are the only "regular" in AWW who does this.
Does that mean that I'm in the clear?
Only Free Agent does some weird things with the email address - hence
the from field has the email address followed by the full name in
parenthesis.
Matt
--
The Probert Encyclopaedia - Beyond Britannica
http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com
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| Matt Probert 2005-05-25, 7:59 pm |
| Once upon a time, far far away "Red E. Kilowatt"
<kilowattREMOVE@aww-faq.org> spluttered
>"Tina - AxisHOST, Inc." <tpeters@axishost.com> wrote in message
>news:d7202n0157v@news2.newsguy.com
>
>Oh come on Tina. No one is upset or worked up.
>
>You've been exposed to plenty of criticism in these newsgroups over the
>years and you have proven yourself to be a very tough customer. No one
>will ever mistake you for a pushover, so perhaps you can see your way
>clear to make an accomodation just this once?
>
Why should she? It's her "From" address, and if she wants to identify
herself as Tina from Axis Host then fair play to her.
Seems to me this anti-spam paranoida has reached the levels of
insanity (again).
Now where's my boiler suit?
Matt
--
The Probert Encyclopaedia - Beyond Britannica
http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com
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| Matt Probert 2005-05-25, 7:59 pm |
| Once upon a time, far far away "Tina - AxisHOST, Inc."
<tpeters@axishost.com> spluttered
>If I thought it were a valid reason, or made any kind of logical sense at
>all...I would. I am proud of my business and have worked very hard to get
>where I am today. It was once requested that I change it from Tina -
>Affordablehost.com to remove the URL, since it sounded spammy. Although it
>seemed a bit of a stretch, to me, I changed it to appease several people
>here. I'm not willing to change it again.
>
>--Tina
>
Good for you!
Matt
--
The Probert Encyclopaedia - Beyond Britannica
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| Matt Probert 2005-05-25, 7:59 pm |
| Once upon a time, far far away comphelp@toddh.net (Todd H.) spluttered
>So whether she includes here business's name in her full name in the
>From header, who gives a flyin fsck? It's hardly spam by any
>reasonable definition fer chrissakes. It's her online identity. That
>others don't choose to have any traceable route to their business
>pursuits is their choice, but forcing everyone into that level is just
>pedantic and silly.
Here! Here!
I agree.
Let's get back to something sensible, like discussing the relevent
merits of tea (yummy) and coffee (yeuch).
Matt
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| GreyWyvern 2005-05-25, 7:59 pm |
| And lo, Tina - AxisHOST, Inc. didst speak in alt.www.webmaster:
> I am proud of my business
.... and all the other AWW regulars aren't?
> and have worked very hard to get where I am today.
.... and all the other AWW regulars haven't?
That's specious logic.
> I'm not willing to change it again.
So the answer is, you really *don't* give a shit. Well, I'm glad I asked.
Grey
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| Matt Probert 2005-05-25, 7:59 pm |
| Once upon a time, far far away GreyWyvern <spam@greywyvern.com>
spluttered
>Can you picture an AWW where *everyone* puts their business name in their
>From: header? What planet are you from?
What's wrong with that? People might then have to be accountable for
what they say, including the libels they spread.
It may even result in people thinking twice before flaming, after all,
unless its a burger you're after you are unlikely to shop where you
get flamed?
Matt
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| Matt Probert 2005-05-25, 7:59 pm |
| Once upon a time, far far away GreyWyvern <spam@greywyvern.com>
spluttered
>I ask you again, why are you here? Why do you keep coming back? Some
>sort of masochism?
That's not a very nice thing to say, is it?
Matt
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| Matt Probert 2005-05-25, 7:59 pm |
| Once upon a time, far far away Charles Sweeney <me@charlessweeney.com>
spluttered
>Karim wrote
>
>
>I consider you a knob.
>
Oh dear!
Play nicely children, or Uncle Probe will bang your heads together!
Matt
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| Matt Probert wrote:
> tea (yummy) and coffee (yeuch).
I agree with that :-)
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| GreyWyvern 2005-05-25, 7:59 pm |
| And lo, Matt Probert didst speak in alt.www.webmaster:
> Once upon a time, far far away GreyWyvern <spam@greywyvern.com>
> spluttered
>
>
> Does that mean that I'm in the clear?
>
> Only Free Agent does some weird things with the email address - hence
> the from field has the email address followed by the full name in
> parenthesis.
Yesh, I noticed that the new version of Opera M2 fixed the display of your
address. Anyway, I *believe* your From: header is technically valid
(anyone got the RFC?) and the only thing you include besides it is your
actual name.
I believe the main problem people have with Tina's From: header is that
she includes *both* her real name and company name. If it was any of
"Tina", "Tina Peters" or even just "AxisHost, Inc." I really don't think
anyone would bring the subject up.
It's like you posting as "'Matt - The Probert Encyclopaedia'
<matt@**************.com>". That's quickly interpreted as you promoting
your business with *every single post* you make. As if you can't depend
on your sig, or the Organization header to display the same information.
Grey
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| Tina - AxisHOST, Inc. 2005-05-25, 7:59 pm |
| "GreyWyvern" <spam@greywyvern.com> wrote in message
news:op.srcaita6sl6xfd@news.nas.net...
> And lo, Tina - AxisHOST, Inc. didst speak in alt.www.webmaster:
>
>
> Tsk, tsk. Now you're a liar as well? Show me a post where you've
> "stated" why you leave your corporate/organization name in your From:
> header, despite requests to move/remove it.
See, you keep thinking that you're going to debate me into caring about your
opinion or wanting to convince you that I'm justified. Can you understand
how futile that is?
Let me save you the trouble of replying...I'll do it for you:
"I guess you really don't care about this group. You just need to explain
to me why you won't change it. If you don't tell me why, then my opinion is
right. You're spamming with your "from" field. You're going to lose alot of
business because no one will want to buy hosting from you now. Are you
really that hard up for business that you won't change it? Everyone hates
your "from" field. You're going to go straight to hell if you don't change
it."
Its a "from" field, without a URL. Get over it.
--Tina
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| GreyWyvern 2005-05-25, 7:59 pm |
| And lo, Matt Probert didst speak in alt.www.webmaster:
> Why should she? It's her "From" address, and if she wants to identify
> herself as Tina from Axis Host then fair play to her.
I don't want to argue with you because I *do* agree with you.
> Seems to me this anti-spam paranoida has reached the levels of
> insanity (again).
That isn't the point of this thread. I never called her From: header
"spam" in any way. You need to start reading this thread from the
beginning.
Grey
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| Tante Lina 2005-05-25, 7:59 pm |
| "Matt Probert" <comments@probertencyclopaedia.com> wrote in message
news:4294ab5e.26886170@news.ntlworld.com...
> It's her "From" address, and if she wants to identify
> herself as Tina from Axis Host then fair play to her.
It's never been acceptable to have self-promotion other than in the sig.
Some groups have relaxed that rule, this one hasn't. Other participants are
restraining themselves and showing some decorum. Why do different rules
apply to Tina?
TL
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| Tante Lina 2005-05-25, 7:59 pm |
| ----- Original Message -----
From: "Tina - AxisHOST, Inc." <tpeters@axishost.com>
Newsgroups: alt.www.webmaster
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 6:55 AM
Subject: Re: Affordablehost chat
> "Charles Sweeney" <me@charlessweeney.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns96618605A625Amecharlessweeneycom@130.133.1.4...
>
> Sounds like people need to find more important things to get upset about.
> My business name in my "from" field is such a silly thing to get all
worked
> up over.
Tina,
You know perfectly well that self-promotion is only acceptable in the sig.
Usenet has conventions which are self-enforced, something you don't need to
be told, after the many years you've been using it to your advantage.
This same scenario happened years ago on AWW. Arguments were made back and
forth, and you finally removed your business name from your handle. Has
your memory gone bad? Or perhaps something has changed between then and
now?
Let's see: your former company prospered in part because of recommendations
from AWW (not to detract from your hard work). But the record shows that
you are unable to prevent your business disputes and support issues from
spilling over into, and making a mess of, this group. It shows that you're
often arrogant, self-centered, and spiteful in your interpersonal relations.
In short, you've lost the good will of AWW that promoted your former
business successfully. And you seem to know it, since unlike before, you
now don't care if you offend fellow participants by featuring the name of
your new business in an indiscreet location.
Surely you profited enough from the sale of AH that you can afford some
dignity?
TL
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| GreyWyvern 2005-05-25, 7:59 pm |
| And lo, Tina - AxisHOST, Inc. didst speak in alt.www.webmaster:
> Let me save you the trouble of replying...I'll do it for you:
>
> "I guess you really don't care about this group. You just need to
> explain
> to me why you won't change it. If you don't tell me why, then my
> opinion is
> right. You're spamming with your "from" field. You're going to lose
> alot of
> business because no one will want to buy hosting from you now. Are you
> really that hard up for business that you won't change it? Everyone
> hates
> your "from" field. You're going to go straight to hell if you don't
> change
> it."
You have, indeed, completely missed the point.
1) You can use whatever From: header you want. True it *does* irk me, but
I don't think less of you *just* for using it as you do.
2) Your From: header *does* bother other people, who consider it some type
of spam. I am not one of those people. I have never called your From:
header spam, and if I have, it was in reply to someone else who made a
reference to "spammy" headers. I *do* consider it "pushy" and incorrectly
placed (eg. use the Organization: header), but that's all.
3) *You* brought up the argument that the header had little or no impact
on your business. I only built on that statement. Otherwise I have
always assumed it has generated you pretty much nil.
4) Once again, typically, rather than answer the question directly, you
"make funny" and put words in my mouth in an attempt to avoid it.
Contrary to what you believe, I *am* seeing the futility in this: It's
like trying to ask questions of a slippery politician.
> Its a "from" field, without a URL. Get over it.
I'm not the one who needs to "get over" anything. The point is not your
From: header (not the *main* one anyway), it's your condescending response
to those (including myself) who have respectfully asked you to remove it,
or move it to a more appropriate place. It's *already* in your sig.
Grey
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| Tina - AxisHOST, Inc. 2005-05-25, 7:59 pm |
|
"Tante Lina" <telina03@focusforms.com> wrote in message
news:et2le.5$IL3.0@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> This same scenario happened years ago on AWW. Arguments were made back
> and
> forth, and you finally removed your business name from your handle.
No, I didn't. Its been there for a very long time and will continue to be
there. Its not the crisis that a few people here would like to think it is.
--Tina
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| Tina - AxisHOST, Inc. 2005-05-25, 7:59 pm |
| "GreyWyvern" <spam@greywyvern.com> wrote in message
news:op.srcdf0eosl6xfd@news.nas.net...
>
> You have, indeed, completely missed the point.
No, I got the point. Its just not logical or reasonable.
> 1) You can use whatever From: header you want.
Good. Then we're in agreement.
--Tina
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| GreyWyvern 2005-05-25, 7:59 pm |
| And lo, Tina - AxisHOST, Inc. didst speak in alt.www.webmaster:
> "Tante Lina" <telina03@focusforms.com> wrote...
>
>
> No, I didn't. Its been there for a very long time and will continue to
> be
> there. Its not the crisis that a few people here would like to think it
> is.
It's definitely not a crisis, and it will be forgotten about for a while,
sure. However, as long as it's there, it *will* be a recurring issue.
You know this, and yet don't care.
I, personally, *don't* consider it spam. In fact, my main beef is that
whenever we chit-chat on usenet, it always feels like I'm replying to
"AxisHOST, Inc." the company. I would much rather chit-chat with "Tina"
the person. That's it; isn't that funny?
I'd bet you'd find many others in AWW feel the same way, if you cared to
ask.
Grey
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| On Wed, 25 May 2005 10:28:25 -0400, GreyWyvern wrote:
> And lo, Karim didst speak in alt.www.webmaster:
>
>
> I don't believe anyone asked you. In fact, we weren't even talking about
> Charles, but I bet you just like typing his name. That's creepy, dude.
>
> Grey
This is Usenet, ie a public forum. You can email Tina if you want offline.
I remember numerous times when you butted in (and most of the time
infavoroubly) when I had a conversation with someone .. so buzz off.
Plus I enjoy responidng to people who make stupid comments.
Karim
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| On 25 May 2005 14:33:13 GMT, Charles Sweeney wrote:
> Karim wrote
>
>
> Hey, leave my goofy out of this!
>
>
> Maybe you should! Although "crappiest" would be more appropriate.
I don't know what's wrong with you but you must be full of hate. We all
know what happened to your $5 for free scam. It bit the dust eventually.
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http:/...bleinternet.com
Karim
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| On Wed, 25 May 2005 10:51:41 -0400, GreyWyvern wrote:
> And lo, Karim didst speak in alt.www.webmaster:
>
>
> Listen, I don't hate Tina; although it's moderately amusing when she
> avoids answering direct questions concerning her motives about things
> which she herself trivializes.
>
> I respect her, and value her as a contributor to this newsgroup. I would
> never killfile her because of annoying habits she may have. You see, I
> don't killfile people for being silly or stubborn. I killfile people for
> being complete idiots.
>
> So far, you aren't on that list, even though you're pretty annoying.
So are you. At least I am annoying to people who annoy me first.
>
>
> Why are you here?
Same reason you're here.
[stuff deleted]
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| On Wed, 25 May 2005 10:55:44 -0400, GreyWyvern wrote:
> And lo, Karim didst speak in alt.www.webmaster:
>
>
> While Tina is a valuable contributor to this newsgroup, *you* are not. So
> do it, and finally I will have reason enough to killfile you. I don't
> doubt many others would too.
If you do a Google search on me in this group, you'll notice that over 90%
of my posts are webmaster related. Unline you and your friends, I never
*never* chit chat here.
> I ask you again, why are you here? Why do you keep coming back? Some
> sort of masochism?
This is a public forum. It doesn't say alt.greywyverns-friends-only. If you
don't want to see people here, create an invite only forum somewhere and
leave.. and bye bye.
> BTW, my sig still, and always has, led to my "vanity" site. I
> respectfully do not include it in every one of my posts.
I don't care if it shows everytime. Did someone complain to you about it?
Karim
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| Red E. Kilowatt 2005-05-25, 7:59 pm |
| "Karim" <karim3411@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1c8l3bz56ytnv$.1838la3tqaouq$.dlg@40tude.net
> On 25 May 2005 14:33:13 GMT, Charles Sweeney wrote:
>
>
>
> I don't know what's wrong with you but you must be full of hate. We
> all know what happened to your $5 for free scam.
Not only is that a moldy oldy, but it's not even a good retort. The "$5
for free scam" seems to have worked out just fine for Charles, despite
your feeble attempts to make an issue out of it. He used that to build
up his business and then he sold it at a handsome profit. I wouldn't
call that a disaster.
--
Red
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| Red E. Kilowatt 2005-05-25, 7:59 pm |
| "Matt Probert" <comments@probertencyclopaedia.com> wrote in message
news:4294ab5e.26886170@news.ntlworld.com
> Once upon a time, far far away "Red E. Kilowatt"
> <kilowattREMOVE@aww-faq.org> spluttered
>
>
> Why should she? It's her "From" address, and if she wants to identify
> herself as Tina from Axis Host then fair play to her.
Well yes, that's true, but it's my understanding that for a very long
time there has been an agreement among the regulars here to limit
advertising to one's sig. Like many of the other conventions that we
follow, compliance is strictly voluntary. However if someone chooses to
consistently ignore the conventions, it may take a toll in relations
with some of the other group members.
Often times people's initial reaction to being asked to change something
is adamant refusal, but after the dust settles and they notice some
attitudes towards them have also changed, they reluctantly decide to
make the adjustment.
>
> Seems to me this anti-spam paranoida has reached the levels of
> insanity (again).
>
> Now where's my boiler suit?
>
> Matt
LOL
It's not quite that bad Matt. At worst, this particular issue barely
rises to the level of a minor annoyance for some people. It may stir a
debate because this is the sort of thing everyone has an opinion on, but
there's not going to be any battle over it.
--
Red
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| Corporate Name.poo 2005-05-25, 7:59 pm |
| On 25 May 2005 Matt Probert wrote in alt.www.webmaster
> Matt
>
>
> --
> The Probert Encyclopaedia - Beyond Britannica
> http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com
>
your sig is broken. :( it doesn't have the space after the --
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| On Wed, 25 May 2005 19:18:19 GMT, Red E. Kilowatt wrote:
> "Karim" <karim3411@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1c8l3bz56ytnv$.1838la3tqaouq$.dlg@40tude.net
>
> Not only is that a moldy oldy, but it's not even a good retort. The "$5
> for free scam" seems to have worked out just fine for Charles, despite
> your feeble attempts to make an issue out of it. He used that to build
> up his business and then he sold it at a handsome profit. I wouldn't
> call that a disaster.
I guess his comments about puppets, lies..blah boah is ok with you. Which
is more moldy oldy, his business sale or the puppet thing?? Didn't the
2host guy start it? I wonder what happened to him.
The story as I recall, he sold his business when he got hacked.
Karim
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| On 25 May 2005 14:52:07 GMT, Charles Sweeney wrote:
Charles... out of curiosity, what happened with ableinternet.com?
You sold it to AH, then the url brought up some Windows host company and I
know AH doesn't do windows hosting and now its dead for some time. It
changed hands in just a few months.
...or you know nothing since you sold it?
Karim
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| Tina - AxisHOST, Inc. 2005-05-25, 7:59 pm |
| "Karim" <karim3411@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On 25 May 2005 14:52:07 GMT, Charles Sweeney wrote:
>
>
> Charles... out of curiosity, what happened with ableinternet.com?
> You sold it to AH, then the url brought up some Windows host company and I
> know AH doesn't do windows hosting and now its dead for some time. It
> changed hands in just a few months.
>
> ..or you know nothing since you sold it?
Charles sold the customers and the domain name to me. We rolled the
customers into the AH brand and moved them all to Cpanel servers (he had
them on Ensim). I sold the domain name about a year later to the highest
bidder.
It worked out nicely for both Charles and I. ;-)
--Tina
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| Red E. Kilowatt 2005-05-25, 11:27 pm |
| "Karim" <karim3411@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bgbx9117yyi7.1izzbas2kecrc.dlg@40tude.net
> On Wed, 25 May 2005 19:18:19 GMT, Red E. Kilowatt wrote:
>
>
> I guess his comments about puppets, lies..blah boah is ok with you.
Pretty much. As far as I can tell, you deserve most of the criticism
that has been directed at you.
--
Red
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| Charles Sweeney 2005-05-25, 11:27 pm |
| Karim wrote
> ..or you know nothing since you sold it?
Correct.
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| Charles Sweeney 2005-05-25, 11:27 pm |
| Tina - AxisHOST, Inc. wrote
> "Karim" <karim3411@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:199qal3ffvwut$.brhrgcbdi6g6.dlg@40tude.net...
>
> Charles sold the customers and the domain name to me. We rolled the
> customers into the AH brand and moved them all to Cpanel servers (he
> had them on Ensim). I sold the domain name about a year later to the
> highest bidder.
>
> It worked out nicely for both Charles and I. ;-)
Still enjoying the LACK of 24/7 responsibility and hand-holding!
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http://CharlesSweeney.com
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