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robert blake

2005-12-27, 7:03 pm

I did a google for best albums of 2005 (being a big music fan)

And here is a wonderful list of lists, from joe public and all the main
music magazines..indicating their top ten albums for 2005.

I am either getting old, or else there is pure rubbish in the charts these
times. I didn't recognise anything among these lists. Heck, even the big
music magazines couldn't agree in general terms on their top ten albums of
the year.

http://www.metacritic.com/music/bests/2005.shtml

robert blake

2005-12-27, 7:03 pm

as an example........here are three top lists........and i see feck all
correlation. Critics are all over the place with their picks.

Rolling Stone (big mag)

1. Late Registration by Kanye West
2. A Bigger Bang by The Rolling Stones
3. Get Behind Me Satan by The White Stripes
4. Extraordinary Machine by Fiona Apple
5. Devils & Dust by Bruce Springsteen
6. Z by My Morning Jacket
7. Guero by Beck
8. I'm Wide Awake, It's Morning by Bright Eyes
9. Illinois by Sufjan Stevens
10. The Massacre by 50 Cent

Q magazine (one of the biggest in the UK)

1. X&Y by Coldplay
2. Demon Days by Gorillaz
3. Employment by Kaiser Chiefs
4. Don't Believe The Truth by Oasis
5. I'm Wide Awake, It's Morning by Bright Eyes
6. Back To Bedlam by James Blunt
7. You Could Have It So Much Better by Franz Ferdinand
8. Funeral by Arcade Fire
9. Eye To The Telescope by KT Tunstall
10. Stars Of CCTV by Hard-Fi

Amazon.com Editors' Picks

1. Illinois by Sufjan Stevens
2. Arular by M.I.A.
3. Twin Cinema by The New Pornographers
4. Z by My Morning Jacket
5. Dimanche a Bamako by Amadou & Mariam
6. Thelonious Monk Quartet with John Coltrane at Carnegie Hall [Live]
7. I Am A Bird Now by Antony & The Johnsons
8. No Direction Home: The Soundtrack by Bob Dylan
9. Guero by Beck
10. Extraordinary Machine by Fiona Apple

DoobieDo

2005-12-27, 7:03 pm

In article <Xns9739B0BFD72FDghtyu@140.99.99.130>, 4444D@yahoo.com cleared their
throat and muttered...
> as an example........here are three top lists........and i see feck all
> correlation. Critics are all over the place with their picks.
>
>
>
> Rolling Stone (big mag)
>
> 1. Late Registration by Kanye West
> 2. A Bigger Bang by The Rolling Stones
> 3. Get Behind Me Satan by The White Stripes
> 4. Extraordinary Machine by Fiona Apple
> 5. Devils & Dust by Bruce Springsteen
> 6. Z by My Morning Jacket
> 7. Guero by Beck
> 8. I'm Wide Awake, It's Morning by Bright Eyes
> 9. Illinois by Sufjan Stevens
> 10. The Massacre by 50 Cent
>
>
>
> Q magazine (one of the biggest in the UK)
>
> 1. X&Y by Coldplay
> 2. Demon Days by Gorillaz
> 3. Employment by Kaiser Chiefs
> 4. Don't Believe The Truth by Oasis
> 5. I'm Wide Awake, It's Morning by Bright Eyes
> 6. Back To Bedlam by James Blunt
> 7. You Could Have It So Much Better by Franz Ferdinand
> 8. Funeral by Arcade Fire
> 9. Eye To The Telescope by KT Tunstall
> 10. Stars Of CCTV by Hard-Fi
>
>
> Amazon.com Editors' Picks
>
> 1. Illinois by Sufjan Stevens
> 2. Arular by M.I.A.
> 3. Twin Cinema by The New Pornographers
> 4. Z by My Morning Jacket
> 5. Dimanche a Bamako by Amadou & Mariam
> 6. Thelonious Monk Quartet with John Coltrane at Carnegie Hall [Live]
> 7. I Am A Bird Now by Antony & The Johnsons
> 8. No Direction Home: The Soundtrack by Bob Dylan
> 9. Guero by Beck
> 10. Extraordinary Machine by Fiona Apple
>
>
>
I'll go with Q but there's four I'd either give away or sell on eBay ;p

You can have the other 20 that are listed (even the Stones).

--
Doobie Doobie Do, da da di da da

robert blake

2005-12-27, 7:03 pm

DoobieDo <dave@bytext.co.uk> wrote in news:MPG.1e1b92f7f1403842989a45@news-
text.blueyonder.co.uk:

>
> I'll go with Q but there's four I'd either give away or sell on eBay ;p
>
> You can have the other 20 that are listed (even the Stones).
>

so you don't rate music these times either, doobiedo?

I have got so depressed with the charts in the past 15 years.

ALl we ever hear now is manufactured bands, and pop-idol/X-factor type
karaoke singers.

And don't start me on wankers such as McFly.

Norman L. DeForest

2005-12-27, 7:03 pm

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005, robert blake wrote:

> as an example........here are three top lists........and i see feck all
> correlation. Critics are all over the place with their picks.
>
>
>
> Rolling Stone (big mag)
>
> 1. Late Registration by Kanye West

Never heard of him/her/them.

> 2. A Bigger Bang by The Rolling Stones

I've heard of them. I don't listen to them.

> 3. Get Behind Me Satan by The White Stripes

Never heard of him/her/them.

> 4. Extraordinary Machine by Fiona Apple

Never heard of him/her/them.

> 5. Devils & Dust by Bruce Springsteen

I've heard of him. I don't listen to him.

> 6. Z by My Morning Jacket

Never heard of him/her/them.

> 7. Guero by Beck

Never heard of him/her/them.

> 8. I'm Wide Awake, It's Morning by Bright Eyes

Never heard of him/her/them.

> 9. Illinois by Sufjan Stevens

Never heard of him/her/them.

> 10. The Massacre by 50 Cent

Never heard of him/her/them.

>
> Q magazine (one of the biggest in the UK)
>
> 1. X&Y by Coldplay

Never heard of him/her/them.

> 2. Demon Days by Gorillaz

Never heard of him/her/them.

> 3. Employment by Kaiser Chiefs

Never heard of him/her/them.

> 4. Don't Believe The Truth by Oasis

Never heard of him/her/them.

> 5. I'm Wide Awake, It's Morning by Bright Eyes

Never heard of him/her/them.

> 6. Back To Bedlam by James Blunt

Never heard of him/her/them.

> 7. You Could Have It So Much Better by Franz Ferdinand

Never heard of him/her/them.

> 8. Funeral by Arcade Fire

Never heard of him/her/them.

> 9. Eye To The Telescope by KT Tunstall

Never heard of him/her/them.

> 10. Stars Of CCTV by Hard-Fi

Never heard of him/her/them.

>
>
> Amazon.com Editors' Picks
>
> 1. Illinois by Sufjan Stevens

Never heard of him/her/them.

> 2. Arular by M.I.A.

Never heard of him/her/them.

> 3. Twin Cinema by The New Pornographers

Never heard of him/her/them.

> 4. Z by My Morning Jacket

Never heard of him/her/them.

> 5. Dimanche a Bamako by Amadou & Mariam

Never heard of him/her/them.

> 6. Thelonious Monk Quartet with John Coltrane at Carnegie Hall [Live]

Now *that* one I would like to hear.

> 7. I Am A Bird Now by Antony & The Johnsons

Never heard of him/her/them.

> 8. No Direction Home: The Soundtrack by Bob Dylan

Never heard of him/her/them.

> 9. Guero by Beck

Never heard of him/her/them.

> 10. Extraordinary Machine by Fiona Apple

Never heard of him/her/them.

One out of thirty isn't so bad.

--
Norman De Forest http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~af380/Profile.html
af380@chebucto.ns.ca [=||=] (At the Sign of the Flashing Cursor)
"Oh how I miss the days when it was easier to catch gonorhea than a
computer virus." -- Big Will in alt.comp.virus, March 9, 2005

robert blake

2005-12-27, 7:03 pm

"Norman L. DeForest" <af380@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in
news:Pine.GSO.3.95.iB1.0.1051227143418.21491C-100000
@halifax.chebucto.ns.ca:

>
> One out of thirty isn't so bad.

lol

so it isn't just me, Norman.

I am relieved to know!

ad_libitum

2005-12-27, 7:03 pm

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:09:32 GMT, robert blake <4444D@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>I did a google for best albums of 2005 (being a big music fan)

How old are you if i might ask?

I've heard of a lot of them on the lists, but think the lists were
chosen for personal favorites, not really based on sales or popularity
or whatever.

robert blake

2005-12-27, 7:03 pm

ad_libitum <> wrote in news:nc33r190h52r2tu5dlgd042clef216uo8h@4ax.com:

> On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:09:32 GMT, robert blake <4444D@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> How old are you if i might ask?

41

> I've heard of a lot of them on the lists, but think the lists were
> chosen for personal favorites, not really based on sales or popularity
> or whatever.

i know one or two people who are dismissive of my view re modern
music........and they'll say so and so is brilliant. But when i challenge
them to name me a song of the artist's that I should look out for, they
struggle.

DoobieDo

2005-12-27, 7:04 pm

In article <Xns9739BA62BC078ghtyu@140.99.99.130>, 4444D@yahoo.com cleared their
throat and muttered...
> DoobieDo <dave@bytext.co.uk> wrote in news:MPG.1e1b92f7f1403842989a45@news-
> text.blueyonder.co.uk:
>
>
>
> so you don't rate music these times either, doobiedo?
>
> I have got so depressed with the charts in the past 15 years.
>
> ALl we ever hear now is manufactured bands, and pop-idol/X-factor type
> karaoke singers.
>
ditto, except for ....

> And don't start me on wankers such as McFly.
>
I quite like them, having said that any group that plays it's own instruments
are OK by me...

So that includes Busted, Oasis, Darkness, Franz, even Coldplay [1] and of
course the Stones (but I think they should pack it in now, don't need the money
and well over pensionable age).

[1] Coldplay - I did get the Parachutes album and listening to it made me SO
depressed I put Radiohead on :((

--
Doobie Doobie Do, da da di da da

Charles Sweeney

2005-12-27, 7:04 pm

robert blake wrote

> I am either getting old, or else there is pure rubbish in the charts
> these times.

I have to agree. They give buskers a bad name.

--
Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com

robert blake

2005-12-27, 7:05 pm

DoobieDo <dave@bytext.co.uk> wrote in
news:MPG.1e1ba306364319df989a46@news-text.blueyonder.co.uk:

>
> ditto, except for ....
>
> I quite like them, having said that any group that plays it's own
> instruments are OK by me...
>
> So that includes Busted, Oasis, Darkness, Franz, even Coldplay [1] and
> of course the Stones (but I think they should pack it in now, don't
> need the money and well over pensionable age).
>
>
> [1] Coldplay - I did get the Parachutes album and listening to it made
> me SO depressed I put Radiohead on :((
>

no say it ain't so, doobie!

busted, oasis, coldplay, radiohead, mcfly, etc are absolutely everything i
detest.

mcfly were on that CD-UK Xmas special a few days ago (i never watch the
show) and they covered 'Let it Snow, Let it Snow'. Dear oh dear oh dear.
One could go down to my local pub on a karaoke night, and fall over drunk
on the floor and land at the feet of a more talented outfit.

robert blake

2005-12-27, 7:05 pm

Charles Sweeney <me@charlessweeney.com> wrote in
news:Xns9739C817723ACmecharlessweeneycom@130.133.1.4:

> robert blake wrote
>
>
> I have to agree. They give buskers a bad name.

but of course the fact that chart singles and album sales are falling isn't
down to the pure shite being released.....oh no, it's those pesky pirates
on the internet with their p2p piracy that are ruining things!

Don't you just get fed up with the disinformation that our leaders in
politics and big business try to peddle us.

Matt Silberstein

2005-12-27, 7:05 pm

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:09:32 GMT, in alt.www.webmaster , robert blake
<4444D@yahoo.com> in <Xns9739AFDA932EFghtyu@140.99.99.130> wrote:

>I did a google for best albums of 2005 (being a big music fan)
>
>And here is a wonderful list of lists, from joe public and all the main
>music magazines..indicating their top ten albums for 2005.
>
>I am either getting old, or else there is pure rubbish in the charts these
>times. I didn't recognise anything among these lists. Heck, even the big
>music magazines couldn't agree in general terms on their top ten albums of
>the year.
>
>http://www.metacritic.com/music/bests/2005.shtml

If you do not recognize either Kraftwerk or Ry Cooder then you are
either old or pay little attention to music.

(I also saw Dylan and Depeche Mode and Springsteen and Neil Diamond on
the lists.)

--
Matt Silberstein

Do something today about the Darfur Genocide

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Matt Silberstein

2005-12-27, 7:05 pm

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:11:38 GMT, in alt.www.webmaster , robert blake
<4444D@yahoo.com> in <Xns9739BA62BC078ghtyu@140.99.99.130> wrote:

>DoobieDo <dave@bytext.co.uk> wrote in news:MPG.1e1b92f7f1403842989a45@news-
>text.blueyonder.co.uk:
>
>
>
>so you don't rate music these times either, doobiedo?
>
>I have got so depressed with the charts in the past 15 years.
>
>ALl we ever hear now is manufactured bands, and pop-idol/X-factor type
>karaoke singers.
>
>And don't start me on wankers such as McFly.

Try White Stripes or Fiona Apple or Kanye West, neither manufactured
nor pop.

--
Matt Silberstein

Do something today about the Darfur Genocide

http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org

"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"

(PeteCresswell)

2005-12-27, 7:05 pm

Per robert blake:
>I am either getting old, or else there is pure rubbish in the charts these
>times. I didn't recognise anything among these lists.

Yer gettin' old.

But think of it this way: it beats the alternative.
--
PeteCresswell

Justin Koivisto

2005-12-27, 7:05 pm

robert blake wrote:
> Charles Sweeney <me@charlessweeney.com> wrote in
> news:Xns9739C817723ACmecharlessweeneycom@130.133.1.4:
>
>
> but of course the fact that chart singles and album sales are falling isn't
> down to the pure shite being released.....oh no, it's those pesky pirates
> on the internet with their p2p piracy that are ruining things!
>
> Don't you just get fed up with the disinformation that our leaders in
> politics and big business try to peddle us.

ahh... that explains why System of a Down isn't at the top of all sales
charts... too many people "Steal This Album" ...

Of course, when you're able to land gigs like ozzfest, reading, big day
out, etc. I'd assume the exposure and ticket sales more than make up for
it...

--
Justin Koivisto, ZCE - justin@koivi.com
http://koivi.com

robert blake

2005-12-27, 7:05 pm

"(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> wrote in
news:u6d3r1pokvvr92b23ftd3vd59fprbkkae0@4ax.com:

> Per robert blake:
>
> Yer gettin' old.
>
> But think of it this way: it beats the alternative.

lol too true!

The fact is everyone round here is dying to get in our graveyard.

I can't say that I much care for it myself.

Justin Koivisto

2005-12-27, 7:05 pm

Matt Silberstein wrote:
>
> If you do not recognize either Kraftwerk or Ry Cooder then you are
> either old or pay little attention to music.

Wow, something's wrong with me! I'm a musician under 30 and haven't
heard of either! Of course, I tend to keep track of bands that may be a
bit too much for "the charts"

--
Justin Koivisto, ZCE - justin@koivi.com
http://koivi.com

robert blake

2005-12-27, 7:05 pm

Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:amb3r1567tf3drl0kk5uuq8onv0mii7nrl@4ax.com:

> On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:09:32 GMT, in alt.www.webmaster , robert blake
> <4444D@yahoo.com> in <Xns9739AFDA932EFghtyu@140.99.99.130> wrote:
>
>
> If you do not recognize either Kraftwerk or Ry Cooder then you are
> either old or pay little attention to music.

kraftwerk had two or three decent tracks in the 80s

ry cooder.....not my cuppa tea.

> (I also saw Dylan and Depeche Mode and Springsteen and Neil Diamond on
> the lists.)

loved the depeche mode singles in the 80s and the odd one in the 90s.

bruce is hard to beat

neil diamond doesn't do it for me......tho i love Sweet Caroline

dylan is ok in small doses

robert blake

2005-12-27, 7:05 pm

Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:bub3r1h12jbs7sbuarn3dnmpvi1t2je5jf@4ax.com:

>
> Try White Stripes or Fiona Apple or Kanye West, neither manufactured
> nor pop.
>

white stripes ain't fopr me

liked fiona apple's beatles cover a year or two back

kanye west is new to me.....soft sweet, countresque?

I am a big fan of Mary Chapin carpenter's work.....tho her last album
wasn't up to much imho

robert blake

2005-12-27, 7:05 pm

Justin Koivisto <justin@koivi.com> wrote in news:-9adnaaVDoIeJCzeRVn-
rw@onvoy.com:

> Matt Silberstein wrote:
>
> Wow, something's wrong with me! I'm a musician under 30 and haven't
> heard of either! Of course, I tend to keep track of bands that may be a
> bit too much for "the charts"
>

TBH you're not missing much, Justin

Matt Silberstein

2005-12-27, 10:35 pm

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:03:49 GMT, in alt.www.webmaster , robert blake
<4444D@yahoo.com> in <Xns9739E1C0A6184ghtyu@140.99.99.130> wrote:

>Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
>news:bub3r1h12jbs7sbuarn3dnmpvi1t2je5jf@4ax.com:
>
>
>white stripes ain't fopr me
>
>liked fiona apple's beatles cover a year or two back
>
>kanye west is new to me.....soft sweet, countresque?
>
>I am a big fan of Mary Chapin carpenter's work.....tho her last album
>wasn't up to much imho

Then don't waste time with Top Ten lists, get Iris DeMent, Gillian
Welch, and Lucinda Williams.

--
Matt Silberstein

Do something today about the Darfur Genocide

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http://www.darfurgenocide.org
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Matt Silberstein

2005-12-27, 10:35 pm

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:00:35 -0600, in alt.www.webmaster , Justin
Koivisto <justin@koivi.com> in <-9adnaaVDoIeJCzeRVn-rw@onvoy.com>
wrote:

>Matt Silberstein wrote:
>
>Wow, something's wrong with me! I'm a musician under 30 and haven't
>heard of either! Of course, I tend to keep track of bands that may be a
>bit too much for "the charts"

I'll assume, then, that you don't play guitar or synth. If you play
synth then at least listen to Kraftwerk, they are an important band.
If you play guitar then give yourself a few head slaps and get
yourself some Ry Cooder. It is unfortunate that some of his best work
was done for movies. Take a listen to the Walter Hill _Crossroads_ or
_The Long Riders_. At the very least I would have hoped you would know
of his work putting together _The Buena Vista Social Club_.

--
Matt Silberstein

Do something today about the Darfur Genocide

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http://www.darfurgenocide.org
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robert blake

2005-12-27, 10:35 pm

Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in

>
> Then don't waste time with Top Ten lists, get Iris DeMent, Gillian
> Welch, and Lucinda Williams.

thanks for the above tips, Matt

iris Dement and Gillian Welch are new to me..any key album/s you would
recommend i look out for re their material?

Matt Silberstein

2005-12-27, 10:35 pm

On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 01:29:13 GMT, in alt.www.webmaster , robert blake
<4444D@yahoo.com> in <Xns973A1070A2588ghtyu@140.99.99.130> wrote:

>Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
>
>
>
>thanks for the above tips, Matt
>
>iris Dement and Gillian Welch are new to me..any key album/s you would
>recommend i look out for re their material?

Not really. Both are very old tymee if you know what that means.
Gillian has been described as pathologically authentic. Iris has one
of those sweet high pure voices that just chills me. And as long as
you are at it get some Emmylou Harris. And if you have some but don't
have _Red Dirt Girl_ then get it. Wow!

--
Matt Silberstein

Do something today about the Darfur Genocide

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robert blake

2005-12-28, 3:44 am

Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:dft3r1d8j92f1u6bohtmrf9dnblcggjtal@4ax.com:

> On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 01:29:13 GMT, in alt.www.webmaster , robert blake
> <4444D@yahoo.com> in <Xns973A1070A2588ghtyu@140.99.99.130> wrote:
>
>
> Not really. Both are very old tymee if you know what that means.
> Gillian has been described as pathologically authentic. Iris has one
> of those sweet high pure voices that just chills me.

i like the sound of that....i must seek them out.

> And as long as
> you are at it get some Emmylou Harris. And if you have some but don't
> have _Red Dirt Girl_ then get it. Wow!

i love her voice........been listening here again to a duo with neil
young.....and her lovely version of gulf coast highway

thanks for these tips.

Nije Nego

2005-12-28, 6:32 am

"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
message news:5jp3r15e2qi0vbp81n64sro8qas9hgdc41@4ax.com...
: On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:00:35 -0600, in alt.www.webmaster , Justin
: Koivisto <justin@koivi.com> in <-9adnaaVDoIeJCzeRVn-rw@onvoy.com>
: wrote:
:
: If you play guitar then give yourself a few head slaps and get
: yourself some Ry Cooder. It is unfortunate that some of his best work
: was done for movies. Take a listen to the Walter Hill _Crossroads_ or
: _The Long Riders_. At the very least I would have hoped you would know
: of his work putting together _The Buena Vista Social Club_.
:

I would point out Paris-Texas as well.

Matt Silberstein

2005-12-28, 6:38 pm

On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:42:01 +0100, in alt.www.webmaster , "Nije Nego"
<nijenego@net.hr***> in <dotq5r$4ho$1@domitilla.aioe.org> wrote:

>
>"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
>message news:5jp3r15e2qi0vbp81n64sro8qas9hgdc41@4ax.com...
>: On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:00:35 -0600, in alt.www.webmaster , Justin
>: Koivisto <justin@koivi.com> in <-9adnaaVDoIeJCzeRVn-rw@onvoy.com>
>: wrote:
>:
>: If you play guitar then give yourself a few head slaps and get
>: yourself some Ry Cooder. It is unfortunate that some of his best work
>: was done for movies. Take a listen to the Walter Hill _Crossroads_ or
>: _The Long Riders_. At the very least I would have hoped you would know
>: of his work putting together _The Buena Vista Social Club_.
>:
>
>I would point out Paris-Texas as well.
>
Forgot that one. Yep.

--
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Paul Ding

2005-12-29, 6:49 pm

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:21:23 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> posted something that
included:

>Try White Stripes or Fiona Apple or Kanye West, neither manufactured
>nor pop.

And I haven't heard a *lot* of her work, but Fiona Apple appears to
actually be good.

No Leonard Cohen, perhaps, but even Leonard Cohen isn't always Leonard
Cohen.
--
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How come nobody can itemize them?
And why can't fruitflies be one of them?

robert blake

2005-12-30, 10:30 pm

Paul Ding <lancastir@paulding.net> wrote in
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>
> No Leonard Cohen, perhaps, but even Leonard Cohen isn't always Leonard
> Cohen.
>

cohen is someone i need to be in the mood to listen to