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List of browsers which don't support DHTML/CSS/Javascript ?

Yohan N. Leder

2007-07-02, 10:18 pm

I'm looking for a list of all the *well known* (not something
developped for personal use) browsers which don't support DHTML, CSS and
Javascript. It's for pages testing. Just tell me the ones you know if
there's not a list somewhere.

Bergamot

2007-07-02, 10:18 pm

Yohan N. Leder wrote:
> I'm looking for a list of all the *well known* (not something
> developped for personal use) browsers which don't support DHTML, CSS and
> Javascript. It's for pages testing.

Disable JavaScript and CSS in your own browser if you want to know what
effect it has. IE has those options buried, but it's pretty easy to shut
them off with a gecko-based browser (like Firefox) with the Web
Developer extension, or with Opera.

I disable CSS more frequently than you might think, and not just for
testing purposes. I keep JS disabled by default and only enable it for
certain sites. Doing this improves my personal web experience enormously.

--
Berg

Andy Dingley

2007-07-02, 10:18 pm

On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 01:06:52 +0200, Yohan N. Leder <ynleder@nspark.org>
wrote:

>I'm looking for a list of all the *well known* (not something
>developped for personal use) browsers which don't support CSS

For "large screen desktop graphical browsers" - efffectively none of
them

For text-only kit like Lynx, pretty much all of them (with some
properties in CSS sometimes being supported).

For mobiles, the screens are smaller but the CSS is still there.

For email, as discussed last week, it's a bit more complex.

> DHTML and Javascript.

Now your big problem is whether users hve it enabled or not.

For nearly all of a static site, you don't need JS

For much of an interactive site that's fashionable enough to get some
ignorant pillock in a suit to pay for it, you need JS and AJAX etc.

So what are you going to do to _your_ users, when they have such a
feature switched off deliberately ? Annoy them one way, or annoy them
the other ? Which would they prefer, because you can't win 'em all
here.

> It's for pages testing.

Totally the wrong approach. read the group, and c.i.w.a.h archives

DO NOT ever think about testing "for a particular browser". Test
against the standard. Test for generic "text-only" or "linearised
speech" behaviour (Fangs is good here). But don't ever get into that "If
it's IE 7.5 on Tuesdays" mindset.

Yohan N. Leder

2007-07-03, 6:16 am

In article <oe6j83p38pdqk6afc8cqnrqeo5qusoregk@4ax.com>,
dingbat@codesmiths.com says...
> For "large screen desktop graphical browsers" - efffectively none of
> them
>

So, should I consider there's not any no-DHTML/CSS/JS browser excect if
user disable it using options ?

Yohan N. Leder

2007-07-03, 6:16 am

In article <5etj06F39q333U1@mid.individual.net>, bergamot@visi.com
says...
> Disable JavaScript and CSS in your own browser if you want to know what
> effect it has. IE has those options buried, but it's pretty easy to shut
> them off with a gecko-based browser (like Firefox) with the Web
> Developer extension, or with Opera.
>

Yes, I know about disabling, buit I would like to know if it exist
graphical browsers with doesn't support DHTML/CSS/JS at all... Not
through options but from factory, by design.

David Stone

2007-07-03, 6:19 pm

In article <5etj06F39q333U1@mid.individual.net>,
Bergamot <bergamot@visi.com> wrote:

> Yohan N. Leder wrote:
>
> Disable JavaScript and CSS in your own browser if you want to know what
> effect it has. IE has those options buried, but it's pretty easy to shut
> them off with a gecko-based browser (like Firefox) with the Web
> Developer extension, or with Opera.

You don't necessarily need the Developer extension. For CSS, in FF you
can use

View->Page Style->No Style
>
> I disable CSS more frequently than you might think, and not just for
> testing purposes. I keep JS disabled by default and only enable it for
> certain sites. Doing this improves my personal web experience enormously.

For JS, I use the NoScript plugin (http://noscript.net), which allows
numerous per site/page options.

Ben Bacarisse

2007-07-03, 6:19 pm

Yohan N. Leder <ynleder@nspark.org> writes:

> In article <oe6j83p38pdqk6afc8cqnrqeo5qusoregk@4ax.com>,
> dingbat@codesmiths.com says...
>
> So, should I consider there's not any no-DHTML/CSS/JS browser excect if
> user disable it using options ?

No. Sometimes the user's system policy disables JS. Whether a user
has any client-side scripting often has nothing to do with their
browser of choice.

Often, asking what users do and do not have is the wrong question. For
example, most web crawlers don't have JS "enabled". A better question
would be "feature X on site Y (give a URL) requires JavaScript to be
fully functional, what effect will this have?".

--
Ben.

Bergamot

2007-07-03, 6:19 pm

Yohan N. Leder wrote:
> In article <5etj06F39q333U1@mid.individual.net>, bergamot@visi.com
> says...
>
> Yes, I know about disabling, buit I would like to know if it exist
> graphical browsers with doesn't support DHTML/CSS/JS at all

Why does it matter whether they are disabled by the user or by some
other means? The result will be the same.

--
Berg