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Why hate Google Groups?

typingcat@gmail.com

2005-10-17, 6:28 pm

Hi kchayka;

I used to use Outlook Express for reading newsgroups. And my ISP
provides a server too. But the reason I use Google Groups is, it's
easier to search and check the replies to my post.

I think it's very convinient. I don't know why you so hate Google
Groups? Why do you think it's bad? I read the page you wrote. And I
still don't get why it is necessary to quote. I'm really asking. Please
tell me why people think Google Group is bad. I love Google, I use
Google everyday, so it's quite important to me.

Thank you.

kchayka wrote:
> typingcat@XXXXXXXXXX wrote:
> Hey, do yourself and everyone else a favor - dump google groups for
> posting to usenet and get yourself a real newsreader. If your ISP
> doesn't have a decent newsserver, check out news.individual.net.
>
> If you insist on using that abomination called gg, then please learn how
> to use it. Read:
> <URL:http://www.safalra.com/special/googlegroupsreply/>
>
> This is for your own good. Failure to conform to accepted posting
> practices will only get you added to killfiles everywhere, if you aren't
> there already. Many people already ban all posts coming from gg.
>
>
> Hmmm, it worked for me. Perhaps your Opera is reading the file from
> cache instead of getting a fresh copy from the server.
>
> --
> Reply email address is a bottomless spam bucket.
> Please reply to the group so everyone can share.

kchayka

2005-10-17, 10:20 pm

typingcat@XXXXXXXXXX wrote:
>

Don't top-post.
<URL:http://allmyfaqs.com/faq.pl?How_to_post>

> I don't know why you so hate Google
> Groups? Why do you think it's bad?

For one thing, 99% of the people using gg to post to usenet don't even
bother using the service for the only thing it's really good at -
searching usenet archives. Those using gg tend to be clueless newbies
who aren't much interested in doing things The Right Way according to
accepted conventions. That's not to say all are (or that you are), but
that seems to be the trend.

Google Groups used to be good, but they took a perfectly good, usable
system and tried to make it kewl. They just made it suck instead. :(

> I read the page you wrote.

I didn't write it.

> And I still don't get why it is necessary to quote.

Do some reading at the link I posted above and you may become more
enlightened.

BTW, we are now off-topic for this group. If you have more questions on
the subject, search the google archives for past discussions. It's come
up plenty of times before and I don't care to rehash it myself.

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Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz

2005-10-20, 6:43 pm

In <1129572496.683711.292000@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, on
10/17/2005
at 11:08 AM, typingcat@XXXXXXXXXX said:

>I think it's very convinient. I don't know why you so hate Google
>Groups?

For the same reason that others do; the original version was clum sy
and the new version is not only clumsy but broken.

>Why do you think it's bad?

The obvious reason is that it doesn't present the original article, so
even if you attempt to manually create the attribution lin e that it
should have created automatically, the data are not present for you to
do so. At least with the old version I could request the original
article, save it as a file and then reply to it using a real news
client.

>And I still don't get why it is necessary to quote.

Because otherwise your reply has no context, especially if you are
replying to a large article or to one that arrives at a news server
later than your reply does.

>Please tell me why people think Google Group is bad.

Because it's broken. It doesn't support proper attribution lines,
quoting and signature blocks.

>I love Google, I use Google everyday, so it's quite important to me.

Then I'd urge you to start lobbying google to fix it, because
otherwise you're going[1] to have people filtering out everything
posted from google, or even news servers dropping those articles.

[1] Assuming that it hasn't already started.

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Dr John Stockton

2005-10-21, 6:32 pm

JRS: In article <4357d60f$2$fuzhry+tra$mr2ice@news.patriot.net>, dated
Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:38:22, seen in news:comp.infosystems.www.authoring.s
tylesheets, Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invali
d> posted :
>
>
>Because it's broken. It doesn't support proper attribution lines,
>quoting and signature blocks.

If you find that, when you start a News reply, Google does not provide
the previous article in quoted form, note what Keith Thompson wrote in
comp.lang.c, message ID <lnwtuhfy7d.fsf@nuthaus.mib.org> :-
If you want to post a followup via groups.google.com, don't use
the "Reply" link at the bottom of the article. Click on "show
options" at the top of the article, then click on the "Reply" at
the bottom of the article headers.

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