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| BenOne© 2004-06-17, 11:15 pm |
| Hi all,
Are there any CSS forums that get more traffic and deal with more advanced
issues that this news group?
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| Stan Brown 2004-06-18, 4:14 am |
| "BenOne©" <nosp@m.thanks.mate> wrote in
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets:
>Are there any CSS forums that get more traffic and deal with more advanced
>issues that this news group?
I'm speechless.
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http://OakRoadSystems.com
Modern cyberspace is a deadly festering swamp, teeming with
dangerous programs such as "viruses," "worms," "Trojan horses,"
and "licensed Microsoft software" that can take over your
computer and render it useless. --Dave Barry
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| On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 00:33:39 -0400, Stan Brown
<the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> "BenOne©" <nosp@m.thanks.mate> wrote in
> comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets:
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> I'm speechless.
>
I guess he's tired of the daily "how do I do align='center' in CSS"
questions here...
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| Stan Brown wrote:
> "BenOne©" wrote:
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> I'm speechless.
Yeah, that was pretty much my reaction. I was so speechless that I
couldn't even reply -- until now.
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Brian (remove ".invalid" to email me)
http://www.tsmchughs.com/
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| Ben Thomas 2004-06-19, 4:14 am |
| Neal wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 00:33:39 -0400, Stan Brown
> <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
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>
> I guess he's tired of the daily "how do I do align='center' in CSS"
> questions here...
Not at all.
I posted "Layout and colour problems" on the 16th of June and have had
no responses. Thought maybe it is too complicated for the regulars here
so wondered if there are other forums where I should post my question.
Thanks for any help.
--
Ben Thomas
Melbourne
Australia
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| On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 13:45:30 +1000, Ben Thomas <idontthink@so.ok> wrote:
> Neal wrote:
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> Not at all.
>
> I posted "Layout and colour problems" on the 16th of June and have had
> no responses. Thought maybe it is too complicated for the regulars here
> so wondered if there are other forums where I should post my question.
Oh that. I missed that one. The div only contains floated elements, so the
actual div won't go all the way down. See how I altered it here...
....
<div id=boxfoot>
<a class=main href="product0001.html">info</a>
<a class=main href="buy.html">buy</a>
</div>
</div>
</center>
<div style="clear: both; width: 100%"> </div>
</div>
....
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| kchayka 2004-06-19, 4:14 am |
| Ben Thomas wrote:
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> I posted "Layout and colour problems" on the 16th of June and have had
> no responses. Thought maybe it is too complicated for the regulars here
> so wondered if there are other forums where I should post my question.
Maybe noone is responding because you aren't asking anything that hasn't
come up numerous times before. Could be you'll find the answer yourself
in a few minutes of searching the google newsgroup archives.
Just a thought.
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Please reply to the group so everyone can share.
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| Jukka K. Korpela 2004-06-19, 4:14 am |
| Ben Thomas <idontthink@so.ok> wrote:
> I posted "Layout and colour problems" on the 16th of June and have had
> no responses.
If that made you ask a provocative question that effectively meant "you
are too stupid for me", then I think it is better to both sides if you
don't attend this group, at least until you have learned some minimal
decency in your manners. Get back the money you paid for this helpdesk.
I might have sent this advice by E-mail only if you had not forged your
address.
--
Yucca, http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/
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| Ben Thomas 2004-06-19, 11:14 pm |
| kchayka wrote:
> Ben Thomas wrote:
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> Maybe noone is responding because you aren't asking anything that hasn't
> come up numerous times before. Could be you'll find the answer yourself
> in a few minutes of searching the google newsgroup archives.
>
> Just a thought.
>
I don't have WWW access from the place I posted the original question.
If it was something posted many times in the past, and no-one could be
bothered to reply with the actual answer, I would have appreciated it if
someone had said "check google", but as they didn't even do that, the
regulars make it look like they don't know the answer.
You said "maybe no-one is responding...". Does that mean you don't know
if it's come up numerous times before?
Ben
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| Ben Thomas 2004-06-19, 11:14 pm |
| Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
> Ben Thomas <idontthink@so.ok> wrote:
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>
>
> If that made you ask a provocative question that effectively meant "you
> are too stupid for me", then I think it is better to both sides if you
> don't attend this group, at least until you have learned some minimal
> decency in your manners. Get back the money you paid for this helpdesk.
Please explain what is so provocative about :
"Are there any CSS forums that get more traffic and deal with more
advanced issues that this news group?"
I've also posted other questions in the past and received few replies.
Other groups I frequent are not shy about replying to topics that get
discussed a lot. The only reason for the lack of replies that I could
come up with was that the members don't know the answers.
In no way did I suggest that this group does not deal with advanced
issues. I made no suggestion that people here are stupid.
Why are you so confrontational? Usenet should be a place where people
enjoy sharing their knowledge.
You just seem to want to criticise.
And you talk about manners.
>
> I might have sent this advice by E-mail only if you had not forged your
> address.
I'd say it's the sort of thing worth discussing in the group, so other
newbies can learn...
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| Spartanicus 2004-06-19, 11:14 pm |
| Ben Thomas <idontthink@so.ok> wrote:
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>Please explain what is so provocative about :
>"Are there any CSS forums that get more traffic and deal with more
>advanced issues that this news group?"
The tone, I also took that remark as "you are too stupid for me".
>I've also posted other questions in the past and received few replies.
As Jukka said, this isn't a helpdesk, it's a discussion group. If you
don't get any replies then you've asked a question that failed to
interest the members.
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Spartanicus
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| Stan Brown 2004-06-19, 11:14 pm |
| "Ben Thomas" <idontthink@so.ok> wrote in
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets:
>I don't have WWW access from the place I posted the original question.
>
>If it was something posted many times in the past, and no-one could be
>bothered to reply with the actual answer, I would have appreciated it if
>someone had said "check google", but as they didn't even do that, the
>regulars make it look like they don't know the answer.
If you have Usenet but not WWW access (unlikely though that seems),
what good would it have done to tell you to check google?
Contrariwise, if you can check google, why didn't you?
--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Cortland County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com/
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validator: http://validator.w3.org/
CSS 2 spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/
2.1 changes: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/changes.html
validator: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/
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| BenOne© 2004-06-20, 11:16 pm |
| Stan Brown wrote:
> "Ben Thomas" <idontthink@so.ok> wrote in
> comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets:
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>
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> If you have Usenet but not WWW access (unlikely though that seems),
> what good would it have done to tell you to check google?
>
> Contrariwise, if you can check google, why didn't you?
>
It wouldn't have helped, but it would have displayed that someone actually knew
the answer to my question.
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| BenOne© 2004-06-20, 11:16 pm |
| Stan Brown wrote:
> "Ben Thomas" <idontthink@so.ok> wrote in
> comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets:
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>
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> He did explain: Your question implies "this forum is too slow and
> stupid for me."
>
That is not an explanation. How does it imply that?
Why try to reinterpret my words? Why not take them literally?
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| Christoph Paeper 2004-06-20, 11:16 pm |
| *BenOne©* <nosp@m.thanks.mate>:
> Stan Brown wrote:
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>
> That is not an explanation. How does it imply that?
"Do you still beat your wife?"
> Why try to reinterpret my words? Why not take them literally?
Because we suppose you're a human being like us.
P.S.: Get rid of your stupid and overly long disclaimer.
--
The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
"Reality is frequently inaccurate."
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| Jukka K. Korpela 2004-06-21, 4:39 am |
| Christoph Paeper <christoph.paeper@nurfuerspam.de> wrote:
> *BenOne©* <nosp@m.thanks.mate>:
- -
> P.S.: Get rid of your stupid and overly long disclaimer.
I would rather ask him to keep it as a bogosity signal as long as he
keeps behaving unproductively. I find it disgusting that he uses
_different_ forged From lines. Although it makes effective killfiling a
little more difficult, it surely confirms the need for killfiling.
--
Yucca, http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/
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| BenOne© 2004-06-21, 4:39 am |
| Christoph Paeper wrote:
> *BenOne©* <nosp@m.thanks.mate>:
>
>
>
> "Do you still beat your wife?"
Sorry but that's going straight over my head.
>
>
> Because we suppose you're a human being like us.
It's insane to choose a different meaning for someone's words. It comes across
as a very insecure behaviour.
At no point did I intend to offend anyone. I did not mean to suggest that the
regulars here are the least bit stupid.
Frankly, I'm not clever enough to subtly suggest other things when writing my posts.
>
> P.S.: Get rid of your stupid and overly long disclaimer.
Good point. Fixing it now. Some has to remain - company says so.
--
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Apologies for the lame disclaimer.
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| On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 04:40:05 GMT, BenOne© <nosp@m.thanks.mate> wrote:
> It's insane to choose a different meaning for someone's words. It comes
> across as a very insecure behaviour.
>
> At no point did I intend to offend anyone. I did not mean to suggest
> that the regulars here are the least bit stupid.
>
> Frankly, I'm not clever enough to subtly suggest other things when
> writing my posts.
Ben... what are you after here? What's your goal in this exchange?
if it's about commentary you didn't like, well, I tried to help. You have
to tolerate a little side discussion even if it's not to your liking,
otherwise you alienate the natives. Fortunately this is not cannibal
country.
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| BenOne© 2004-06-21, 4:39 am |
| Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
> Christoph Paeper <christoph.paeper@nurfuerspam.de> wrote:
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> - -
>
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> I would rather ask him to keep it as a bogosity signal as long as he
> keeps behaving unproductively. I find it disgusting that he uses
> _different_ forged From lines. Although it makes effective killfiling a
> little more difficult, it surely confirms the need for killfiling.
>
And if you really wanted to, you could just kilffile me based on the from name
which appears in the sender field of the news reader. I guess it's also just
part of the From: header.
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| BenOne© 2004-06-21, 4:39 am |
| Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
> Christoph Paeper <christoph.paeper@nurfuerspam.de> wrote:
>
>
>
> - -
>
>
>
> I would rather ask him to keep it as a bogosity signal as long as he
> keeps behaving unproductively. I find it disgusting that he uses
> _different_ forged From lines. Although it makes effective killfiling a
> little more difficult, it surely confirms the need for killfiling.
I posted from two different places. Sorry if having two broken From: lines
offends you.
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| BenOne© 2004-06-21, 4:39 am |
| Neal wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 04:40:05 GMT, BenOne© <nosp@m.thanks.mate> wrote:
>
>
>
> Ben... what are you after here? What's your goal in this exchange?
>
> if it's about commentary you didn't like, well, I tried to help. You
> have to tolerate a little side discussion even if it's not to your
> liking, otherwise you alienate the natives. Fortunately this is not
> cannibal country.
Just trying to make it clear that I don't appreciate people criticising me for
things I didn't say, and to make it clear that at no point did I intend to
offend anyone.
I visit many groups, and this is the most eccentric I've come across. Vever
before have I been accused and attacked as I have hear, which is frankly very
hurtful.
I greatly appreciate your replies and answers to my CSS problems, and also
appreciate those posters who continue to discuss these other matters with me as
we all work to a better understanding of each other. Those who've simply
kilfilled me couldn't come across as more immature if they tried.
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| Matthias Gutfeldt 2004-06-21, 7:14 am |
| BenOne© wrote:
> I visit many groups, and this is the most eccentric I've come across.
LOL! ciwas is the LEAST eccentric newsgroup I'm reading. I guess you
just live a sheltered life :-).
As for "other CSS forums", there are other newsgroups that deal with
CSS, e.g. alt.html, but not as extensively as this one.
Other than that, you might want to try the CSS Discuss mailing list:
<http://www.css-discuss.org/>.
Matthias
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| Michael Bernstein 2004-06-21, 7:16 pm |
| Ben Thomas wrote:
>
> I don't have WWW access from the place I posted the original
> question.
I find this highly unlikely. In any case, people generally have better
things to do than act as your proxy for Google. In other words (and
putting it very bluntly) your lack of WWW access is your problem, not
anyone else's.
> If it was something posted many times in the past, and no-one
> could be bothered to reply with the actual answer, I would have
> appreciated it if someone had said "check google", but as they
> didn't even do that, the regulars make it look like they don't
> know the answer.
"Check Google" (or more likely, "STFW") will merely clutter many
folks' inboxes, while benefitting a single person who should have known
better to begin with. You should not have been surprised to receive
silence as a reaction to the implied assumption that your time is more
valuable that other people's (demonstrated by the fact that you did
*not* STFW before asking).
I suggest reading "How to Ask Questions the Smart Way":
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Your response to silence, which was to assume that your question was
too *advanced* for the regulars here, rather than too obvious, is
insulting and arrogant. The exchange obviously went downhill from
there.
- Michael Bernstein
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| BenOne© 2004-06-21, 7:16 pm |
| Matthias Gutfeldt wrote:
> BenOne© wrote:
>
>
>
> LOL! ciwas is the LEAST eccentric newsgroup I'm reading. I guess you
> just live a sheltered life :-).
>
> As for "other CSS forums", there are other newsgroups that deal with
> CSS, e.g. alt.html, but not as extensively as this one.
>
> Other than that, you might want to try the CSS Discuss mailing list:
> <http://www.css-discuss.org/>.
>
>
> Matthias
>
Thanks Matthias. I'm thinking I don't need to go elsewhere, except for google if
I can get my sys-admin to let me at it.
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| BenOne© 2004-06-21, 7:16 pm |
| Michael Bernstein wrote:
> Ben Thomas wrote:
>
>
>
> I find this highly unlikely. In any case, people generally have better
> things to do than act as your proxy for Google. In other words (and
> putting it very bluntly) your lack of WWW access is your problem, not
> anyone else's.
At work we don't have WWW access. Company won't pay for it. Just usenet and
email. It's also my problem if people don't want to be helpful.
>
>
>
>
> "Check Google" (or more likely, "STFW") will merely clutter many
> folks' inboxes, while benefitting a single person who should have known
> better to begin with. You should not have been surprised to receive
> silence as a reaction to the implied assumption that your time is more
> valuable that other people's (demonstrated by the fact that you did
> *not* STFW before asking).
>
> I suggest reading "How to Ask Questions the Smart Way":
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Thanks for the pointer.
>
> Your response to silence, which was to assume that your question was
> too *advanced* for the regulars here, rather than too obvious, is
> insulting and arrogant. The exchange obviously went downhill from
> there.
It didn't seem obvious to me, after looking at the CSS spec.
Where I work, experts are more than happy to answer questions they consider to
be extremely trivial.
I did not intend to insult anybody and sincerely apologise for doing so.
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| Jan Roland Eriksson 2004-06-21, 11:15 pm |
| On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 01:20:05 GMT, BenOne© <nosp@m.thanks.mate> wrote:
>Are there any CSS forums that get more traffic and deal with more advanced
>issues that this news group?
I have been biding my time, read just about every post so far in this
thread and my personal experience of your appearance is...
You jumped in here thinking that ciwas is a "help desk" (I'm referring
to your very first post of June 16).
You did not follow standard usenet procedures to "lurk for some time
before you make your first post", following that you missed the
"atmosphere" of this NG.
You have been properly bashed from that, but also got some good input
from more "gentle" frequent characters in this NG.
Still; your input, as quoted above, is an insult to this NG.
You will find that out for your self if you decide to stay. You are
welcome here but "tune down your pipe" a bit, and you will find that the
most "advanced" tricks of CSS are in fact to be found among discussions
that goes on here.
--
Rex
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| BenOne© 2004-06-21, 11:15 pm |
| Jan Roland Eriksson wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 01:20:05 GMT, BenOne© <nosp@m.thanks.mate> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> I have been biding my time, read just about every post so far in this
> thread and my personal experience of your appearance is...
>
> You jumped in here thinking that ciwas is a "help desk" (I'm referring
> to your very first post of June 16).
My first post was actually on the 15th of April, and was replied to by several
people.
>
> You did not follow standard usenet procedures to "lurk for some time
> before you make your first post", following that you missed the
> "atmosphere" of this NG.
I don't see how you can know if I lurked or not, except for the tone of my
subject which came across as insulting. I've been reading this group since March.
I just posted in the way I usually do to the other 10 groups I'm in, some which
get 1000s of posts a day, and others much less. If you don't know the answer to
something, and can't find the answer in old posts or references, you've got to
ask the question.
>
> You have been properly bashed from that, but also got some good input
> from more "gentle" frequent characters in this NG.
>
> Still; your input, as quoted above, is an insult to this NG.
Like I said in another post, I sincerely apologise for any insult to the members
of this group.
>
> You will find that out for your self if you decide to stay. You are
> welcome here but "tune down your pipe" a bit, and you will find that the
> most "advanced" tricks of CSS are in fact to be found among discussions
> that goes on here.
>
So you're saying I've got to read every post, even if the subject sounds nothing
like what I'm trying to find out about, just in case someone mentions something
I need to know, instead of posting a question? Sorry if I've misinterpreted you.
--
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| Wolfgang Wildeblood 2004-06-21, 11:15 pm |
| Jan Roland Eriksson wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 01:20:05 GMT, BenOne© wrote:
>
>
> I have been biding my time, read just about every post so far in this
> thread...
As have I.
> Still; your input, as quoted above, is an insult to this NG.
So ignore it, and don't be so damned precious.
> You are welcome here but...
No-one needs your (or the usual suspects') welcome to read or post to
any newsgroup they choose. I'm surprized to see you involve yourself
in this silly thread, Roland. I thought you were better than that.
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| Jan Roland Eriksson 2004-06-22, 4:15 am |
| On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 00:10:04 GMT, BenOne© <nosp@m.thanks.mate> wrote:
>Jan Roland Eriksson wrote:
[...]
[color=darkred]
>So you're saying I've got to read every post, even if the
>subject sounds nothing like what I'm trying to find out about...
There's a big section in each and every human mind that is dedicated
to the storage of "useless knowledge". Available content in that
storage area helps the normal associative problem solving process in
more "important" areas.
So, in practice, if you need to solve a specific style sheet problem
you will find that easier to do if your personal "database" has some
content in it, even if that content does not directly relate to your
problem.
--
Rex
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