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Fixing Dirt Filthy Front Page Code

Steve Horrillo

2005-07-03, 4:17 am

Al the website's in my sig were designed with Front Page. When I use Front
Pages error check it's showing me dozens of errors. I'm not blaming FP being
that I did a lot of moving things around and changing fonts. But please take
a look at the source for say, www.brokeragenttraing.com or
www.over100percent.com. It amazes me it even works. The extra tags are just
over the top! Is there any quick way to clean up this awful code? I remember
Jimco had some utilities for that but will it work on a mess like I have?

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Adrienne

2005-07-03, 4:17 am

Gazing into my crystal ball I observed "Steve Horrillo"
<usenet@stephenhorrillo.com> writing in
news:QuAxe.27770$du.23371@bignews1.bellsouth.net:

> Al the website's in my sig were designed with Front Page. When I use
> Front Pages error check it's showing me dozens of errors. I'm not
> blaming FP being that I did a lot of moving things around and changing
> fonts. But please take a look at the source for say,
> www.brokeragenttraing.com or www.over100percent.com. It amazes me it
> even works. The extra tags are just over the top! Is there any quick
> way to clean up this awful code? I remember Jimco had some utilities
> for that but will it work on a mess like I have?
>

First, get rid of Front Page, or at least stop using it for markup. You
can use it for site management.

Second, get yourself a good plain text editor. I can recommend HTML-Kit,
because it has many plugins available, it's free, and it comes with HTML-
Tidy, a linter that will clean up your mess. <http://www.chami.com/html-
kit/>. I would also suggest getting Top Style Lite, which integrates
with HTML-Kit, for CSS <http://www.bradsoft.com/topstyle/download/>.

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Jim Moe

2005-07-03, 4:17 am

Steve Horrillo wrote:
> [...] But please take
> a look at the source for say, www.brokeragenttraing.com or
> www.over100percent.com. It amazes me it even works. The extra tags are just
> over the top! Is there any quick way to clean up this awful code?
>
HTML-Tidy helps with that. <http://tidy.sourceforge.net/>
Mostly, though, you have a lot of manual clean up.

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Steve Horrillo

2005-07-03, 4:17 am

On 2-Jul-2005, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.invalid>
wrote:

> Steve Horrillo wrote:
>
> You have a point. Do not cross-post and include the FP group along
> with any of these alt.* groups.
>
>
> Several here:
> http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/unice.htm#xpost
>
>
> What? You want me to drop *my* subscription to alt.html.critique and
> c.i.w.a.h so I won't see your multi-posted message? To be blunt, that
> is absurd.
>
>
> Your particular newsreader would have nothing to do with it. Any
> competent newsreader allows cross-posting to more than one group.
>
> --

I read the links you referred me to. Thank you. But in practice multi
posting gets the job done. Sure it makes it easier for those who hang out in
a particular group, but the argument for not multi posting sounds like
rationalization to me. For someone who needs an answer quick, multi-posting
is the way. I filter out any thing but direct reply's. So should anyone who
looking for a direct answer to a direct question. If you want to spend your
day bantering back and forth I can understand why cross or multi posting is
frowned upon. It seems that there's a certain percentage of group
participants that think Usenet is their own private forum. I'm sure you
understand that there's other places that are more private and controlled
than Usenet.

Like I said. This is an old taboo that continues in a day in age where
there's alternatives. If you don't like spam or cross/multi-posting join a
moderated Internet forum. At least that's what my take on it is so far.
This is just "sandbox mentality." I can't imagine hanging out on Usenet for
anything but giving or getting information. If you see multiple identical
questions just answer it once and get on with your life. If it's a troll,
don't answer. If it's cross posted strip off the other groups. If it's
multi-posted answer only one time.

As a real life example of multi-posting paying off, I posted to the FP
group. I got a very simple and effective answer. "Right click on the code
and select, "reformat html." I was hoping to get more wisdom outside FP
Groups but if I had followed what was recommended from some of the other
groups I would have wasted tons of time.

Why do people keep cross or muti-posting? Why do people spam? Why are there
still wars? The answer is simple. Because it works. You can make up all the
reasons in the world why it shouldn't, but yet it DOES work. If your
attitude is that you are truly here to help someone, you would look past the
other person's viewpoint and methodology and answer the question. Unless of
course you're just here to show your buddies how smart you are.

It is beyond my imagining that someone would know how to help someone, but
withholds that information just to punish them for not conforming. IIf
that's what these people are made of, I don't want their reply.

But like I said I'm always open changing my mind. But so far if I back up
and try to see this from a neutral point of view, I still can't see the
logic behind wasting hours reading though posts to make sure I'm asking the
right group.

--
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Steve Horrillo, Realtor / C.Ht.
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Estate Professionals)
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Adrienne

2005-07-03, 4:17 am

Gazing into my crystal ball I observed "Steve Horrillo"
<usenet@stephenhorrillo.com> writing in
news:%DHxe.32050$du.5006@bignews1.bellsouth.net:

> I read the links you referred me to. Thank you. But in practice multi
> posting gets the job done. Sure it makes it easier for those who hang
> out in a particular group, but the argument for not multi posting
> sounds like rationalization to me. For someone who needs an answer
> quick, multi-posting is the way.

The problem with multiposting is that you _do_ have to check serveral
groups, and that wastes _your_ time. If you cross post, and set one
follow-up to group, then you can get all the answers in several groups
whilst only having to check back with one. Also, cross posting is better
because others in those cross posted groups may have a similar problem,
and will see the response(s). With multiposting, a post replied to in
group X will not be seen by a lurker in group Y.

Therefore, your answer will probably be quicker, and probably more
accurate.

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Steve Horrillo

2005-07-03, 11:26 pm

On 3-Jul-2005, Adrienne <arbpen2003@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> The problem with multiposting is that you _do_ have to check serveral
> groups, and that wastes _your_ time. If you cross post, and set one
> follow-up to group, then you can get all the answers in several groups
> whilst only having to check back with one. Also, cross posting is better
> because others in those cross posted groups may have a similar problem,
> and will see the response(s). With multiposting, a post replied to in
> group X will not be seen by a lurker in group Y.
>
> Therefore, your answer will probably be quicker, and probably more
> accurate.

So what you're saying is that multi or singular posting gets you quality
reply's versus quantity? The way my reader Newsrover works is that you set
up an interest group which will scan a reply in any groups you choose. Then
you can set the filters to only download direct reply's to your subject,
name, e-mail address etc. I've tried it the other way and it seems that the
highest quality responses come as a direct answer to my post. After that it
mutates into another topic or ego banter. I guess some people see Usenet
groups as a warm fuzzy private discussion group rather than the original
bulletin board it was designed to be.

--
Warmest regards,

Steve Horrillo, Realtor / C.Ht.
http://BrokerAgentTraining.com (MLXchange & Computer Training for Real
Estate Professionals)
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kchayka

2005-07-04, 4:40 am

Steve Horrillo wrote:
>
> Newsrover allows you to...

What your newsreader does for you is irrelevant.

> If I multipost or crosspost across a huge number of groups...

Learn the difference between crossposting and multiposting. Crossposting
is frowned upon, but might be acceptable if you set a follow-up group.
Multiposting is never acceptable. Posting to a "huge number of groups"
is considered spamming, which is not acceptable either.

If you're going to post on these groups, I suggest you start following
the accepted conventions. Otherwise you'll just end up in the killfiles
of those most qualified to help you. Your loss.

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Steve Horrillo

2005-07-04, 4:41 am

On 3-Jul-2005, mbstevens <NOXwebmasterx@xmbstevensx.com> wrote:

> Have you ever Googled 'nettiquette'?
> You are a beginner who still writes with Frontpage lecturing people who
> have used the net and this group for years that they don't know what the
> hell proper netiquette is. If you were clever enough to actually have
> useful information to give back, people might cut you more slack

Been there since DOS. Been here long enough to differentiate between vocal
snobs and good people who are here to help. Bye....

--
Warmest regards,

Steve Horrillo, Realtor / C.Ht.
http://BrokerAgentTraining.com (MLXchange & Computer Training for Real
Estate Professionals)
http://over100percent.com (Realtors Earn Over 100 Percent at EXIT Realty)
http:/HipFSBO.com (Object to Paying Commission? Find a FSBO Friendly Real
Estate Professional)
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mbstevens

2005-07-04, 4:41 am

Steve Horrillo wrote:

>
>
> Been there since DOS. Been here long enough to differentiate between vocal
> snobs ....................
>
I stand corrected.
You are not a beginner who still writes with Frontpage.
You are an old-timer who still writes in Frontpage,
and who still is not clever enough to have any
information to give back to anyone.

> .............and good people who are here to help. Bye....

Not a very good memory, either.
I was the only one who answered this just a thread or two up:

> Anyone know where to get a Tool Tips javascript that will pop up a little
> box when hovered for words that needs more explanation. I'm using
Front Page
> BTW.
>
No.
But here's the entire thing for your CSS file
and modifying pleasure (it's been around the net
for a while -- not my invention):

abbr, acronym, .help {
border-bottom: 1px dotted #777;
cursor: help;
}

The above CSS is referenced from markup like:

<span class="help" title="Pronounced with a long o.">kludge</span>
<acronym title="Department of Transportation">DOT</acronym>

Steve Horrillo

2005-07-04, 4:41 am

On 4-Jul-2005, mbstevens <NOXwebmasterx@xmbstevensx.com> wrote:

> Front Page
> No.
> But here's the entire thing for your CSS file
> and modifying pleasure (it's been around the net
> for a while -- not my invention):

I found out it's built into Front Page. It's easy as right clicking on the
link. Good thing I did mutipost to a Front Page NG. Still, thanks for trying
to help.

--
Warmest regards,

Steve Horrillo, Realtor / C.Ht.
http://BrokerAgentTraining.com (MLXchange & Computer Training for Real
Estate Professionals)
http://over100percent.com (Realtors Earn Over 100 Percent at EXIT Realty)
http:/HipFSBO.com (Object to Paying Commission? Find a FSBO Friendly Real
Estate Professional)
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mbstevens

2005-07-04, 4:41 am

Steve Horrillo wrote:

> I found out it's built into Front Page. It's easy as right clicking on the
> link. Good thing I did mutipost to a Front Page NG. Still, thanks
> for trying to help.

And thank _you_ for bringing more FrontPage to _us_!
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Leonard Blaisdell

2005-07-04, 4:41 am

In article <N83ye.21307$ho.7630@bignews6.bellsouth.net>,
"Steve Horrillo" <usenet@stephenhorrillo.com> wrote:

> I found out it's built into Front Page. It's easy as right clicking on the
> link. Good thing I did mutipost to a Front Page NG. Still, thanks for trying
> to help.

My mouse only has one button :-(

leo

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Steve Horrillo

2005-07-05, 4:35 am

On 4-Jul-2005, John Bokma <john@castleamber.com> wrote:

> But your Usenet client lets you probably click on those links ;-) I use
> Xnews which lets me pick my sig per newsgroup, hence I have a thematic
> sig.
>
> I am a PERL programmer, hence:
> http://www.google.com/search?q=perl%20programmer

Newsrover does that as well. It lets you set up as many identities as you
want. If some Usenet snob snubs you or kill files you, one can morph at
will.

Warmest regards,

Steve Horrillo, Realtor / C.Ht.
http://BrokerAgentTraining.com (MLXchange & Computer Training for Real
Estate Professionals)
http://over100percent.com (Realtors Earn Over 100 Percent at EXIT Realty)
http:/HipFSBO.com (Object to Paying Commission? Find a FSBO Friendly Real
Estate Professional)
http://eLOWn.com ("Got a heartbeat?" Get a loan! Credit Repair Library)

John Bokma

2005-07-05, 4:36 am

"Steve Horrillo" <usenet@stephenhorrillo.com> wrote:

>
> On 4-Jul-2005, John Bokma <john@castleamber.com> wrote:
>
>
> Newsrover does that as well. It lets you set up as many identities as you
> want. If some Usenet snob snubs you or kill files you, one can morph at
> will.

I can recommend discussing this further with Daniel Joseph Min ;-)

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jussij@zeusedit.com

2005-07-20, 11:28 pm

Steve Horrillo wrote:

> Al the website's in my sig were designed with Front Page.
> ....
> It amazes me it even works. The extra tags are just over the
> top! Is there any quick way to clean up this awful code?

One option would be to use Tidy HTML to check you HTML code:

http://tidy.sourceforge.net/

FWIW Here is another link showing how to integrate Tidy HTML
into the Zeus editor:

http://www.zeusedit.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=194

This basically means you load the html file into the editor
and then "compile" the HTML using Tidy HTML. The Zeus compiler
handling features tghen let you jump to the line that contains
the offending HTML error.

I also recall reading that Tidy HTML also has an option to auto
correct the code so you could also let it have a go at fixing
the the HTML code using some sort of batch file.

Jussi Jumppanen
Author of: Zeus for Windows Editor (New version 3.94 out now)
Home Page: http://www.zeusedit.com