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| brianwalker@i-rent.us 2005-10-23, 3:18 am |
| Hi all.. I have paws that "walk" down the page then across the bottom.
It seams that they work fine in IE but not in other browsers.
Currently I am getting the affect by using java image replace..
Any ideas how to do it better?
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| Jim Moe 2005-10-23, 3:18 am |
| brianwalker@i-rent.us wrote:
> Hi all.. I have paws that "walk" down the page then across the bottom.
> It seams that they work fine in IE but not in other browsers.
>
> Currently I am getting the affect by using java image replace..
>
You mean javaSCRIPT? No relation to Java.
It could be due to the Javascript errors that occur when the page is
loaded.
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| brianwalker@i-rent.us 2005-10-24, 3:14 am |
| Could you take a look at the page... using IE.. and reccomend another
way to accomplish the same goal?
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| brianwalker@i-rent.us wrote:
> Could you take a look at the page...
I'd really rather not. Once was enough.
>using IE.. and reccomend another
> way to accomplish the same goal?
Start over.
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| Jim Moe 2005-10-24, 3:14 am |
| brianwalker@i-rent.us wrote:
> Could you take a look at the page... using IE.. and reccomend another
> way to accomplish the same goal?
>
No.
Use the Firefox browser. One of its many useful features is the
Javascript console which tells what the Javascript errors are.
Your have one of the most godawful sites I have even seen. Ghastly
colors, half of the menu text disappears off the left, annoying blinking
graphics. The useful content is almost completely lost as a mumbled
caption to the main image.
Dump all of the useless javascript (it takes up 70% of the size),
produce a useful, pleasant site, *then* add the bells and whistles.
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| Beauregard T. Shagnasty 2005-10-25, 6:27 am |
| brianwalker@i-rent.us wrote:
> Could you take a look at the page....
I tried, but it gave me an epileptic attack.
>using IE..
Sorry, I don't use IE. But it's crap in Firefox.
>and reccomend another way to accomplish the same goal?
Start over.
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| Philip Ronan 2005-10-25, 6:27 am |
| "brianwalker@i-rent.us" wrote:
> Hi all.. I have paws that "walk" down the page then across the bottom.
> It seams that they work fine in IE but not in other browsers.
>
> Currently I am getting the affect by using java image replace..
>
> Any ideas how to do it better?
Sorry to be blunt, but yours is the most vomit-inducing site I've come
across in a long time. Adding an animated paws effect is only going to make
things worse. The flashing advertisement on the right side of the window has
already given me a headache. I could go on to list all the other problems
(there are many), but I need to go and take an Aspirin now.
Here's a site you might find useful: <http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com/>
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| mbstevens 2005-10-25, 6:27 am |
| brianwalker@i-rent.us wrote:
> Hi all.. I have paws that "walk" down the page then across the bottom.
> It seams that they work fine in IE but not in other browsers.
>
> Currently I am getting the affect by using java image replace..
>
> Any ideas how to do it better?
>
That top thumbnail on the right displays at 75x75 pixels, and weigns in
at a heafty 50K.
http://www.mbstevens.com/howtothumb/
No doctype either. Did you take the precaution of reading past threads
here before posting?
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| kchayka 2005-10-25, 6:27 am |
| mbstevens wrote:
> brianwalker@i-rent.us wrote:
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> That top thumbnail on the right displays at 75x75 pixels, and weigns in
> at a heafty 50K.
Probably because it's an animated gif. And a seizure-inducing one, I
might add.
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| mbstevens 2005-10-25, 6:27 am |
| kchayka wrote:
> mbstevens wrote:
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> Probably because it's an animated gif. And a seizure-inducing one, I
> might add.
>
I was talking about the ones just under "Top Sellers."
They're .jpg images according to my browser -- a different image loads
when you reload the page. The page also has old style image maps, and
could be done with about 1/2 the code because of all the deprecated
markup in the thing.
Kind of a Legacy Tall Ship of the web design world.
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| On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 21:03:21 -0700, brianwalker wrote:
> Any ideas how to do it better?
You are asking the wrong question to the wrong people. Your website
suffers from a core problem: it is ugly. (There are other problems, both
technical and not-so-technical).
Ugly is in the eye of the beholder, yes, but nonetheless, the majority of
the more professional posters to this newsgroup are going to go with the
"it's ugly" assessment and pretty much stop right there.
Suggestions:
* Choose a better color scheme (Well, actually, that alone will fix 80% of
the ugliness.)
* lose the painful flashing GIF animation thing on the right. The
question is, why do you feel the need for the animation? Is it not
eye catching enough without it? If so, then your layout is probably at
fault.
Things that are good:
* The shirt front itself is not bad looking
* The "paw" element is not necessarily a bad thing.
* The various dog and cat images could probably be used
The traffic flow (order and arrangement of "clicks") of the site is poor.
The description of the different pages is poor (e.g. "about us" links to a
"gallery")
etc etc.
This site will improve itself by being worked out ON PAPER and then being
transeferred to the web.
Also, there is no substitute for good design sense/skills.
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| Beauregard T. Shagnasty 2005-10-30, 6:27 pm |
| brianwalker@i-rent.us wrote:
> OK people.. Don't hold back.. hit me with it... :-)
>
> I have a much better idea for the site. Take a look
>
> http://www.theblakedog.com/test2.shtml
That huge flashing doodad caused me to leave the site immediately.
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| brianwalker@i-rent.us wrote:
> OK people.. Don't hold back.. hit me with it... :-)
>
> I have a much better idea for the site. Take a look
>
> http://www.theblakedog.com/test2.shtml
Back in the days when we had just descended from the trees anything that
moves absolutely *must* be looked at. It was a survival thing, that lasts
even now. That moving thing just may be a tiger out looking for some lunch.
That huge flashing moving thing so totally draws the attentioin that it is
subconciously impossible to read the content.
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| kchayka 2005-10-31, 6:43 pm |
| Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> brianwalker@i-rent.us wrote:
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> That huge flashing doodad caused me to leave the site immediately.
Lucky me, my browser lets me disable animated gifs. :-D
Those not so lucky are still at risk of having a seiure.
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| kchayka 2005-10-31, 6:43 pm |
| brianwalker@i-rent.us wrote:
> OK people.. Don't hold back.. hit me with it... :-)
>
> I have a much better idea for the site. Take a look
>
> http://www.theblakedog.com/test2.shtml
Please hire someone to do the site for you. It's for your own good.
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| Jim Moe 2005-10-31, 6:43 pm |
| brianwalker@i-rent.us wrote:
> OK people.. Don't hold back.. hit me with it... :-)
> I have a much better idea for the site. Take a look
> http://www.theblakedog.com/test2.shtml
>
Well, it's no longer the *most* godawful site I've ever seen. :-)
I am sure you are a fine veterinarian and storekeeper. As a website
designer and coder, though, you thoroughly suck. Your obsession with
selling shirts is bizarre. And once again you managed to distract from the
main content of your index (test2) page.
Hire a starving student from your local college to design and build
your site. We'll all be happier. And you'll have decent baseline for
future work.
BTW I looked at the regular main page. It has been cleaned up a bit. At
least I can read the nav items now. And the main content is prominent.
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| brianwalker@i-rent.us 2005-11-09, 6:58 pm |
| Thank you.
I'm actually making this site for my boss. He likes the colors and the
gif. So there isn't anything to be done there.
I'd love to tone down the site about 900% but I do as I am told.....
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| Houston Legal Secretary 2005-11-09, 6:58 pm |
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<brianwalker@i-rent.us> wrote in message
news:1131256677.745590.158090@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Thank you.
>
> I'm actually making this site for my boss. He likes the colors and the
> gif. So there isn't anything to be done there.
>
> I'd love to tone down the site about 900% but I do as I am told.....
Have you tried an alternative design just to show him what it COULD look
like? Have you shown him other veterinary web sites to see what the
"competition" is doing? Bad taste is bad taste, however, and if his first
priority is getting a web presence and attracting readers, he has to
understand this will have the opposite effect. I'd certainly make him aware
of this if I were you, and I'm sure there's a way to do it without being
tacky or insensitive. At least that way, when he gets no traffic to the
site and it becomes another outpost for "web lint," he doesn't have you to
blame.
HLS
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| Houston Legal Secretary 2005-11-09, 6:58 pm |
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<brianwalker@i-rent.us> wrote in message
news:1131256677.745590.158090@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Thank you.
>
> I'm actually making this site for my boss. He likes the colors and the
> gif. So there isn't anything to be done there.
>
> I'd love to tone down the site about 900% but I do as I am told.....
The animation has got to go. Did your boss do that? Is that why he's so
hell bent to use it? The dark blue at the top with the gold text while not
the most pleasing pallette combo, is much better than the bright blue and
bright yellow underneath it. I'd stick to the dark blue and gold, that
includes the paw graphics at the bottom. With the photographic image in the
middle, there's still too much color.
If you are behind the animated gif, fess up now. Cleanse your soul. The
truth will set you free. It is truly hideous, I have to admit, and I'm not
trying to be mean, honest.
Just have the gif of the shirt image (which is the dog/crest) tastefully to
the side. Also try to style the poll/voting box so it uses the dark blue
and gold as well.
Hopefully these suggestions help a bit.
HLS
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| Houston Legal Secretary 2005-11-09, 6:58 pm |
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<brianwalker@i-rent.us> wrote in message
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> Thank you.
>
> I'm actually making this site for my boss. He likes the colors and the
> gif. So there isn't anything to be done there.
>
> I'd love to tone down the site about 900% but I do as I am told.....
I got all my other projects out of the way so I took a stab at this. It's
been bothering me. Plus JDS's comment about smart XXX designers. I guess
I'm one. Anyway, this example is pure CSS, validates as XHTML, took me
about 23 minutes (this includes futzing with the animated GIF and paw GIF)
to strip the table out, assign ids and classes and slap a stylesheet
together. For what it's worth.
http://webjones.org/blakedog/tbd-redone.html
And the most important part? I had fun doing it. Changes from his original
include muted color pallette that picked up the orange and yellow from the
animated GIF but steered clear of that brighter blue that really seeks out
the old spinal cord. The animated GIF is still animated, it's just not
marching down the page. Changed from three-column table-based layout to
fluid two-column layout with footer. I don't care much for the gratuitous
paw images at the bottom as they serve no purpose.
Later!
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| Jim Moe 2005-11-09, 6:58 pm |
| Houston Legal Secretary wrote:
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> I got all my other projects out of the way so I took a stab at this. It's
> been bothering me. Plus JDS's comment about smart XXX designers. I guess
> I'm one. Anyway, this example is pure CSS, validates as XHTML, took me
> about 23 minutes (this includes futzing with the animated GIF and paw GIF)
> to strip the table out, assign ids and classes and slap a stylesheet
> together. For what it's worth.
>
> http://webjones.org/blakedog/tbd-redone.html
>
A significant improvement!
Nevertheless, some considerations:
- Why use XHTML Transitional? That was only for legacy pages, not new. Use
Strict.
- You specify 12px for the body font. That is 75% of the usual default
size, and is 66% of my own preference. Do you not want anyone to read it?
And with a spec that IE cannot resize? Then you make it even smaller, 95%,
for the main content.
- Why indicate so many font face options? Might as well let the visitor
view with their preferred defaults.
- The rows of paws at the bottom: Use a div with a fixed width and height,
and specify the "paw" as a repeated background image.
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| Houston Legal Secretary 2005-11-09, 6:58 pm |
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"Jim Moe" <jmm-list.AXSPAMGN@sohnen-moe.com> wrote in message
news:eLidnUL69vrh0PPenZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@giganews.com...[color=darkred]
> Houston Legal Secretary wrote:
[redo of OP's problematic site info sniped]
[color=darkred]
[critique - thanks, I will take heed for my own projects - of my redo
snipped]
Hey, it's not **my** project, I was just tyring to show the guy what it
**could** look like. Surely if I'd taken more time, I'd have thought it
through a bit better. And I would have, if it had been my client.
Later!
HLS
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| brianwalker@i-rent.us 2005-11-09, 6:58 pm |
| Hey I was greatfull for the time you put into it. I thought that the
page you did up rocked.
I'm greatfull.
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| Houston Legal Secretary 2005-11-09, 6:58 pm |
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<brianwalker@i-rent.us> wrote in message
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> Hey I was greatfull for the time you put into it. I thought that the
> page you did up rocked.
>
> I'm greatfull.
>
Brian, you might try to sell your boss on the revised animated gif if
nothing else. Stress to him that you've run the design past some folks who
do this for a living and the consensus was that the gif, as presented
originally, was very offputting and would drive people away from his site
rather than to it. And I assume since he's selling shirts, that one of the
site's main goal is to attract visitors who will eventually purchase the
shirts. But they can't do that if they don't stay long enough to click
through to the order page, can they?
Hopefully, you will be successful. Feel free to grab my code, noting the
points made by Jim Moe.
Good luck.
HLS
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| brianwalker@i-rent.us 2005-11-09, 6:58 pm |
| Thank you. I loved your page. But I was told to leave the site as it
is... ??? ... not sure why..
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| Berimor 2005-11-09, 6:58 pm |
| On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 06:21:51 +0200, <brianwalker@i-rent.us> wrote:
> Thank you. I loved your page. But I was told to leave the site as it
> is... ??? ... not sure why..
>
i couldn't make myselt look at this acid more than a minute...
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