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Re: New Website, give me some advice

Andrew Urquhart

2004-08-31, 11:16 pm

*family* wrote in alt.html.critique:
> http://xxxx.xxxxx.xx.xxx/mysource/

Don't bother, site doesn't work in Opera or Firefox, but pulling a href
out of the source returns a page comprised solely of banner ads and
buttons where the OP earns on referrals/pay-per-'click'. It's just a
form of spam.
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Andrew Urquhart
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A loose affiliation of millionaires and billionaires' - Paul Simon

The Doormouse

2004-08-31, 11:16 pm

"family" <allofall@aol.com> wrote:

> http://home.cinci.rr.com/mysource/

Gollum's home page!

.... I ... I thought he was just make-believe, like WMDs.

The Doormouse

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The Doormouse cannot be reached by e-mail without her permission.

family

2004-09-01, 4:16 am

hey! I am very new at this! I just wanted some advice. Yes its a site of
banners, but I have not made a dime from it, I used a program called
microsoft publishing. I know it sucks but I wanted to know what you thought
about the concept of it. I use explorer and I noticed you said it would not
work with firefox, so I downloaded firefox and your right! it does not work.
WHY? like I said im very new at this and did not want to hassle with html,
It was easy for me to create because all I had to do was cut and paste, so
if you can give some feed back maybe I can improve...

C.W.

2004-09-01, 4:16 am

On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 01:25:06 GMT, "family" <allofall@aol.com> wrote:

[snip]
> use explorer and I noticed you said it would not
>work with firefox, so I downloaded firefox and your right! it does not work.
>WHY? like I said im very new at this and did not want to hassle with html,

My advice is learn some HTML. You don't need to rush out and "learn it
all", just what you will be using on your site. :)

Then you will have better odds of a _web_ site working better when put
up on the Web.

Carol

2004-09-01, 4:16 am

family wrote:

> hey! I am very new at this! I just wanted some advice. Yes its a site of
> banners, but I have not made a dime from it, I used a program called
> microsoft publishing. I know it sucks but I wanted to know what you
thought
> about the concept of it. I use explorer and I noticed you said it would
not
> work with firefox, so I downloaded firefox and your right! it does not
work.
> WHY?

Because you built the site using microsoft publisher. This produces code
that only works with IE.

> like I said im very new at this and did not want to hassle with html,
> It was easy for me to create because all I had to do was cut and paste, so
> if you can give some feed back maybe I can improve...

If you do not wish to use HTML then find another wysiwyg that is *not* a
microsoft product. Browse through the archives for this group, you will find
many references to such things.

However, HTML is quite easy to learn and I suggest you do so. Start by
simply coding an <a> element for each of your bannars and then explore a bit
of CSS to arrange them nicely. You can report back here as you go for
assistance.

You may also wish to reconsider the frames. Frames produce so many problems.
Once again, browse through the archives, you will find many references to
frames and the fact that they are evil.

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Cheers
Richard.

Frogleg

2004-09-02, 12:18 pm

On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:14:25 GMT, "family" <allofall@aol.com> wrote:

>http://home.cinci.rr.com/mysource/

Stop now. Take up a productive hobby.

2004-09-08, 7:18 pm

Shawn K. Quinn wrote:

Please do not start your post with the word "begin" followed by two spaces.
This triggers a bug in outlook express which converts your entire post into
an attachment.

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Cheers
Richard.

Shawn K. Quinn

2004-09-09, 7:23 pm

begin quote from rf in <jhd%c.22200$D7.5449@news-server.bigpond.net.au>:

> Please do not start your post with the word "begin" followed by two
> spaces. This triggers a bug in outlook express which converts your entire
> post into an attachment.

Please read <http://viewport.co.uk/outlook/> and consider using software
with less bugs in it.

--
Shawn K. Quinn

2004-09-09, 7:23 pm

Shawn K. Quinn wrote:

Please stick it right up your arse. You have no cause to tell me which
software I should use. You are IMHO simply looking like a bloody idiot.

<plonk>

Neal

2004-09-09, 7:23 pm

On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 23:40:03 -0500, Shawn K. Quinn
<skquinn@xevious.kicks-XXX.net> wrote:
> rf wrote in <jhd%c.22200$D7.5449@news-server.bigpond.net.au>:
>
>
> Please read <http://viewport.co.uk/outlook/> and consider using software
> with less bugs in it.

Please note that the only 2 posts from you in recent history are in this
thread. That makes you NOT a regular, and you'll note rf is a regular.
Hate to pull rank in this way, but man, you got some huge balls to tell
the regs in a newsgroup how to post.

Part of successful web design - to which this forum is devoted - involves
working with all the possible user agents and not XXXXing any of them up.
Yours fails, sadly.

2004-09-09, 7:23 pm

Neal wrote
> <skquinn@xevious.kicks-XXX.net> wrote:

[color=darkred]
> Yours fails, sadly.

He's one of those pedantic bastards from CIWAH.

At least not as bad as that pointy headed lunatic from CLJ :-)

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Cheers
Richard.

2004-09-13, 7:18 pm

Shawn K. Quinn wrote:

Please stick it right up your arse. You have no cause to tell me which
software I should use. You are IMHO simply looking like a bloody idiot.

<plonk>

2004-09-13, 7:18 pm

Shawn K. Quinn

2004-09-13, 7:18 pm

Neal

2004-09-13, 7:18 pm

Shawn K. Quinn

2004-09-14, 7:17 pm

begin quote from Neal in <opsd1oc1x66v6656@news.individual.net>:

> On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 23:40:03 -0500, Shawn K. Quinn
> <skquinn@xevious.kicks-XXX.net> wrote:
>
> Please note that the only 2 posts from you in recent history are in this
> thread. That makes you NOT a regular, and you'll note rf is a regular.
> Hate to pull rank in this way, but man, you got some huge balls to tell
> the regs in a newsgroup how to post.

I've been around Usenet for years, maybe not in this group, but elsewhere,
including the comp.infosystems.www.authoring.* groups.

And, if you had actually read the messages, "rf" is the one telling *me* how
to post, which he has no right to do.

> Part of successful web design - to which this forum is devoted - involves
> working with all the possible user agents and not XXXXing any of them up.
> Yours fails, sadly.

Uh, Microsoft is the one XXXXing up here, with Internet Explorer, Outlook
Express, and others blatantly ignoring Internet standards and just doing
whatever the programmer feels like that particular day, which is completely
counterproductive to an internetworking environment.

--
Shawn K. Quinn

C.W.

2004-09-14, 7:17 pm

On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 12:30:26 -0500, "Shawn K. Quinn"
<skquinn@xevious.kicks-XXX.net> wrote:

>And, if you had actually read the messages, "rf" is the one telling *me* how
>to post, which he has no right to do.

All was asked is for someone to not have one particular word, "begin",
being the very first word due to how it was handled by a person's mail
client. Same as when I asked a person, in another NG, to not start
their responses with a their sig line, with the double dash and space
as the first bit, preceeding their responses to posts. It wasn't as
if the person was asked to use a different program or whatever, just a
minor tweak in what they used as the "first word".

Carol

Shawn K. Quinn

2004-09-14, 7:17 pm

begin quote from C.W. in <foaek05mgiqclmlhlmks8c0p2ptkibvru7@4ax.com>:

> On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 12:30:26 -0500, "Shawn K. Quinn"
> <skquinn@xevious.kicks-XXX.net> wrote:
>
>
> All was asked is for someone to not have one particular word, "begin",
> being the very first word due to how it was handled by a person's mail
> client.

Well, it's a bug in that newsreader (newsreader, NOT mail client).

Given that all I have really done is to point out very obviously that "rf"
has broken software, why does he insist upon using it? When I find out a
program I use is broken that badly, I quit using it and/or file a bug
report for the bug to be fixed.

> Same as when I asked a person, in another NG, to not start their responses
> with a their sig line, with the double dash and space as the first bit,
> preceeding their responses to posts.

That's different, as that is part of an Internet standard (and, so you can
understand where I am coming from, it's probably Outlook that did that
crap, too).

> It wasn't as if the person was asked to use a different program or
> whatever, just a minor tweak in what they used as the "first word".

Given that it's to raise public awareness of just how broken Outlook is,
such a request is completely out of line (and if "rf" had read the headers
of my message he would have known this).

--
Shawn K. Quinn

Neal

2004-09-14, 7:17 pm

On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:09:18 -0500, Shawn K. Quinn
<skquinn@xevious.kicks-XXX.net> wrote:

> begin quote from C.W. in <foaek05mgiqclmlhlmks8c0p2ptkibvru7@4ax.com>:
>
> Well, it's a bug in that newsreader (newsreader, NOT mail client).

Given that there's no requirement to use "begin " at the start of your
message, it leaves me to think you are doing this purposely to cause this
bug.

If you HAD to start your posts that way, I'd have sympathy for your
argument. But you don't. You choose to.

That choice hapopens to trigger a bug. Either you are intending OE to fail
on your messages, or you are just being stubborn.

Please make another choice for the benefit of those who might read your
posts, and who might in turn benefit you with their response.

Shawn K. Quinn

2004-09-14, 7:17 pm

begin quote from Neal in <opseb2l8x66v6656@news.individual.net>:

> On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:09:18 -0500, Shawn K. Quinn
> <skquinn@xevious.kicks-XXX.net> wrote:
>
>
> Given that there's no requirement to use "begin " at the start of your
> message, it leaves me to think you are doing this purposely to cause this
> bug.

There's no requirement that you use Outlook Express to read this newsgroup,
either.

> Please make another choice for the benefit of those who might read your
> posts, and who might in turn benefit you with their response.

The detriment to the net at large by continuing to use blatantly broken
software is far greater than the benefit of any single participant's posts.
Broken software needs to be discarded like trash, not coddled.

--
Shawn K. Quinn

C.W.

2004-09-14, 7:17 pm

On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:09:18 -0500, "Shawn K. Quinn"
<skquinn@xevious.kicks-XXX.net> wrote:

>begin quote from C.W. in <foaek05mgiqclmlhlmks8c0p2ptkibvru7@4ax.com>:
>
>
>Well, it's a bug in that newsreader (newsreader, NOT mail client).
>
>Given that all I have really done is to point out very obviously that "rf"
>has broken software, why does he insist upon using it?

Perhaps it works ok for the plain text posts; he did share that the
first line, "begin quote from [author's name] in ..." - particularly
the word "begin" [where it was placed at in your responses], started
to treat the contents as an attachment instead as a text post - and he
even acknowledged that it was an Outlook Express bug.

When I find out a
>program I use is broken that badly, I quit using it and/or file a bug
>report for the bug to be fixed.

That's you, though, Shawn. :) And what you do may not be what I or rf
or others would do if something works ok _most_ of the time for what
we use them for. *shrug*

Besides, let's be honest, you could drop the word "begin" plus the
additional space and use "start" or just trim it down to begin with
"quote" instead [which you did specify on your side] - but prefer to
dig in your heels a little bit about it. ;)

Not wholly a bad thing, mind you - as I can be bit of a
heel-digger-inner myself; waited until the _last_ minute before going
to the hospital when in labor with any of my children. Not that I
recommend other women doing what I did - I will admit that I was being
hard headed about it because I dislike hospitals _that_ much.

I can be equally hard-headed at times about my web sites - which is
why I can understand the people, when getting a critique or hearing
something they didn't wanna hear, feeling a bit stubborn. Doesn't mean
I agree with some of their protestations about why they won't change
things - just that I can understand their wanting to defend doing
something even though it may be wrong way to go about it and there are
times I can see a bit of "methinks thou protests a bit too much"
happening in those hard-headed moments. Eye opening on my side ...
*chuckle*

>
>That's different, as that is part of an Internet standard (and, so you can
>understand where I am coming from, it's probably Outlook that did that
>crap, too).

I don't know if the person posting used Outlook or not. To be honest I
don't know much at all about Outlook since I have never used it. So
internet standards or 'bugs/flaws" thoughts didn't cross my mind when
I asked them to flip their posts around a bit when replying. More so I
thought about my own ease in reading/responding within the group.
*shrug*

>
>Given that it's to raise public awareness of just how broken Outlook is,
[snip]

IE - by the same folks - is too.

Kind of hard to top the U.S. Homeland Security Dept. issuing a
statement for folks to not use it as their primary browser a couple of
months back ... and yet people still use it as their primary browser
and many of us will still tweak our sites to accomadate/override IE's
quirkiness.

I bet you recommend to others, if not doing so yourself in your own
sites, to slip in font-size: 100%; in the BODY ... to override a
bug/quirk in IE and/or to not use pixel sized fonts due to resizing
issues in browsers [primarily IE]. Yet you are diggin' in your heels
over the optional usage of the word "begin" in your responses ...

Carol

Neal

2004-09-14, 7:17 pm

On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:59:53 -0500, Shawn K. Quinn
<skquinn@xevious.kicks-XXX.net> wrote:

> The detriment to the net at large by continuing to use blatantly broken
> software is far greater than the benefit of any single participant's
> posts.
> Broken software needs to be discarded like trash, not coddled.
>

Ok, Don Quixote...

Neal

2004-09-18, 7:15 am

C.W.

2004-09-18, 12:15 pm