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Moving on .. need help

W.R

2004-08-19, 1:21 pm

Okay I am now using Notepad to do the coding..

I want to squeeze the lines together now... they have
a lot of white space between them at the moment.
Existing code is as follows:

<html>
<head>
<title>Wayne Rowe's Resume</title>
</head>
<body>
<h1><center>Wayne A. Rowe</center></h1>
<h3><center><basefont size="2">3204N 4900E<br>
<h3><center>Murtaugh, Idaho<br>
<h3><center>83344<br></center></h3>
<h4><center><basefont size="1">208-432-5531
crystlenwayne@peoplepc.com</center></h4>
</body>
</html>

Frogleg

2004-08-21, 4:33 am

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:47:48 GMT, "W.R" <crystlenwayne@peoplepc.com>
wrote:

>Okay I am now using Notepad to do the coding..

Aside: Notepad is not the be-all, end-all for writing HTML.
The "use Notepad" directive generally means "DON'T use Word or
FrontPage." This is because MS apps tend to have a mind of their own
and add/subtract things at whim. With Notepad (or Wordpad or Textpad
or others), what you write isn't changed by the application.
>
>I want to squeeze the lines together now... they have
>a lot of white space between them at the moment.
>Existing code is as follows:
>
><html>
><head>
><title>Wayne Rowe's Resume</title>
></head>
><body>
><h1><center>Wayne A. Rowe</center></h1>

One default characteristic of headings is that they automatically
insert a leading and following linefeed. Squeezing up all your HTML
directives on one line won't change this. CSS can.

><h3><center><basefont size="2">3204N 4900E<br>
><h3><center>Murtaugh, Idaho<br>
><h3><center>83344<br></center></h3>
><h4><center><basefont size="1">208-432-5531
>crystlenwayne@peoplepc.com</center></h4>
></body>
></html>

If you don't understand HTML, it would be a good idea to learn before
trying to write your resume with it. Joe Barta's
http://www.pagetutor.com/
is excellent.

kchayka

2004-08-21, 4:33 am

Frogleg wrote:
>
> If you don't understand HTML, it would be a good idea to learn before
> trying to write your resume with it. Joe Barta's
> http://www.pagetutor.com/
> is excellent.

Ish - do you really want someone to learn from these outdated examples?
Nobody in their right mind should be using <font> any more. How about
something more up-to-date, like

<URL:http://tranchant.plus.com/web/html-tutorial/>

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Frogleg

2004-08-21, 7:17 am

On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:07:43 -0500, kchayka <usenet@c-net.us> wrote:

>Frogleg wrote:
>
>Ish - do you really want someone to learn from these outdated examples?
>Nobody in their right mind should be using <font> any more. How about
>something more up-to-date, like
>
><URL:http://tranchant.plus.com/web/html-tutorial/>

Barta's tutorial is very basic, very clear, full of step-by-step
examples and practice exercises, and downloadable. Its organization is
clear and unambiguous.

Mark's tutorial avoids <font> by not mentioning fonts at all, There
are numerous mentions that "CSS does this better," and an "unfinished"
CSS totorial, the link to which doesn't show up in Firefox (at
800x600) , since the leftmost column doesn't scroll! Its organization
is random; there are no "try this and see what it looks like"
examples.

I would recommend
http://www.w3schools.com/html/default.asp
over Mark's version, if I had to choose a basic HTML tutorial other
than Barta's

kchayka

2004-08-21, 12:22 pm

Frogleg wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:07:43 -0500, kchayka <usenet@c-net.us> wrote:
>
>
> Barta's tutorial is very basic, very clear, full of step-by-step
> examples and practice exercises, and downloadable. Its organization is
> clear and unambiguous.

It also encourages bad coding practices, and does nothing to teach
proper structure or semantics. We have enough crappy sites out there
already, those following his tutorial will only add to the dung heap.

> I would recommend http://www.w3schools.com/html/default.asp
> if I had to choose a basic HTML tutorial other than Barta's

w3schools is far better, just please stop sending newbies to Barta.
Sites like his should either update their content to stay with the
times, or get out of the game altogether.

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Neal

2004-08-21, 7:24 pm

On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 07:58:00 GMT, Frogleg <frogleg@nowhere.com> wrote:

> Mark's tutorial avoids <font> by not mentioning fonts at all,

.... and since that element is deprecated in the DTD it teaches, that's
appropriate.

> There
> are numerous mentions that "CSS does this better," and an "unfinished"
> CSS totorial,

We're all busy, man.

> the link to which doesn't show up in Firefox (at
> 800x600) , since the leftmost column doesn't scroll!

That's a big complaint from me as well - and a textbook example of the
usability problem with position: fixed;

> Its organization
> is random; there are no "try this and see what it looks like"
> examples.

Hm? Quite a few as I saw.

> I would recommend
> http://www.w3schools.com/html/default.asp
> over Mark's version, if I had to choose a basic HTML tutorial other
> than Barta's

I also like http://www.htmldog.com for the CSS tutorial. I'm not satisfied
with the (X)HTML bits, they are sometimes misleading.

Frogleg

2004-08-22, 7:14 am

On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 13:17:49 -0400, Neal <neal413@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 07:58:00 GMT, Frogleg <frogleg@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>
>... and since that element is deprecated in the DTD it teaches, that's
>appropriate.

Read the post -- I wrote that he doesn't mention "fonts" at all. Since
this is one of the basic things people generally want to fiddle with,
I think it's a notable ommission.

Neal

2004-08-22, 12:15 pm

On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 09:50:54 GMT, Frogleg <frogleg@nowhere.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 13:17:49 -0400, Neal <neal413@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Read the post -- I wrote that he doesn't mention "fonts" at all. Since
> this is one of the basic things people generally want to fiddle with,
> I think it's a notable ommission.

Read the very first page of his tutorial.

"The ML of HTML stands for mark-up language. HTML consists of text only—
there is no bold, no italics, no fancy fonts, just letters, numbers,
symbols and spaces. HTML is a “code” that describes the structure of the
content. Rules in the user’s browser tell it how to display the structure
in the HTML, which can be overridden by CSS styling rules (see the
separate tutorial when finished."

Frogleg

2004-08-23, 7:19 pm

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Frogleg

2004-08-26, 12:27 pm