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I'm back for another round

vMike

2004-08-04, 4:16 am

I have made some changes to www.cricketsshoes.com. (third round) Hopefully
you will think that I have made some progress. I have also changed the
layout to a mostly tableless layout. (Kind of a bear to get it to look right
in different browsers.) Seems to be ok unless the text size is increase to
the largest setting. Also, if anyone can tell me how to put a style tag
inside of a noscript tag without getting a validation error it would be
greatly appreciated) As always, I am looking for honest opinions. Thanks in
advance to any alties who take the time to take another look.

Mike

The Doormouse

2004-08-04, 4:16 am

"vMike" <MicZhaYel.GeoZrgeY@noYandZ.geZwaYrrenZ.com> wrote:

> www.cricketsshoes.com

Oh my. That's MUCH better. There are some issues, but this page is a much
nicer site.

Keep at it!

The Doormouse

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Toby Inkster

2004-08-04, 7:15 am

vMike wrote:

> Also, if anyone can tell me how to put a style tag inside of a noscript
> tag without getting a validation error it would be greatly appreciated)

You can't. Why would you like to do this?

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vMike

2004-08-04, 7:15 am

"Toby Inkster" <usenet200408@tobyinkster.co.uk> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.08.04.07.18.28.496689@tobyinkster.co.uk...
> vMike wrote:
>
>
> You can't. Why would you like to do this?
>
> --
> Toby A Inkster BSc (Hons) ARCS
> Contact Me ~ http://tobyinkster.co.uk/contact
>
I want to do this because if the user has disable javascript then I want to
set the display to none for one of the controls on my page and replace it
with a non javascript version. If I was programming code for this it would
be a simple if statement.... if script control1 else control2 ...but I have
no way of knowing if the user has script disabled without using javascript!.
It seemed simple enought to use style (to hide the control) within a
noscript tag (and if fact it works both in the body and in the head, but
doesn't validate either way). I guess there must be a different approach. I
am still researching it. This really isn't the group for this kind of
question, but I was just want to respond to your question.

Mike

jake

2004-08-04, 12:17 pm

In message <cepis0$i7p$1@ngspool-d02.news.aol.com>, vMike
<MicZhaYel.GeoZrgeY@noYandZ.geZwaYrrenZ.com> writes
>I have made some changes to www.cricketsshoes.com. (third round) Hopefully
>you will think that I have made some progress. I have also changed the
>layout to a mostly tableless layout. (Kind of a bear to get it to look right
>in different browsers.) Seems to be ok unless the text size is increase to
>the largest setting. Also, if anyone can tell me how to put a style tag
>inside of a noscript tag without getting a validation error it would be
>greatly appreciated) As always, I am looking for honest opinions. Thanks in
>advance to any alties who take the time to take another look.
>
>Mike
>
>

(a) Looks OK in IE6 and Opera.

Two layout problems in Mozilla and Netscape:

http://www.gododdin.demon.co.uk/ng/CR01X.JPG (55k)
and
http://www.gododdin.demon.co.uk/ng/CR02X.JPG

(b) 'size conversions' and 'returns' CLOSE WINDOW won't work if JS is
disabled.

(c) The conversion table needs some correct mark-up. Look up <TH> and
<CAPTION>

(d) The alternative text on 'store hours 10-5 M-S 772.492.4010.' might
be better as '10am to 5pm, Monday thru Saturday; Phone 772 492 4010' for
the benefit of those people listening to your site.

regards.
--
Jake

vMike

2004-08-04, 12:17 pm

"jake" <jake@gododdin.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:aAZwMYFY3LEBFwNr@gododdin.demon.co.uk...
> In message <cepis0$i7p$1@ngspool-d02.news.aol.com>, vMike
> <MicZhaYel.GeoZrgeY@noYandZ.geZwaYrrenZ.com> writes
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>
> (a) Looks OK in IE6 and Opera.
>
> Two layout problems in Mozilla and Netscape:
>
> http://www.gododdin.demon.co.uk/ng/CR01X.JPG (55k)
> and
> http://www.gododdin.demon.co.uk/ng/CR02X.JPG
>
> (b) 'size conversions' and 'returns' CLOSE WINDOW won't work if JS is
> disabled.
>
> (c) The conversion table needs some correct mark-up. Look up <TH> and
> <CAPTION>
>
> (d) The alternative text on 'store hours 10-5 M-S 772.492.4010.' might
> be better as '10am to 5pm, Monday thru Saturday; Phone 772 492 4010' for
> the benefit of those people listening to your site.
>
> regards.
> --
> Jake

Jake,
I move the returns and sizes to a non pop up page. That eliminates any pop
up problems and gets rid of the close buttons. TH tag added to size table. I
will consider doing the same for the privacy page. alt changed on store
hours. I will have to see why there was a problem on that one page for
Netscape and mozilla.

Thanks for you time and sugguestions.
Mike

jake

2004-08-04, 7:17 pm

In message <ceqo0c$2ac$1@ngspool-d02.news.aol.com>, vMike
<MichZaelY.GeZorgeY@noZorY.geZwaYrrenY.com> writes
[snip]

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>
>Jake,
> I move the returns and sizes to a non pop up page.

Yes, that's a much better idea.

>That eliminates any pop
>up problems and gets rid of the close buttons.

>TH tag added to size table.
> I
>will consider doing the same for the privacy page.

Don't forget that 'US Size' and 'Metric Size' are also <th></th>

>alt changed on store
>hours.

Yes -- much better.

>I will have to see why there was a problem on that one page
two pages ;-)
>for
>Netscape and mozilla.

The joys(?) of CSS .......................
>
>Thanks for you time and sugguestions.
>Mike
>
>

--
Jake

jake

2004-08-04, 7:17 pm

In message <ceqo0c$2ac$1@ngspool-d02.news.aol.com>, vMike
<MichZaelY.GeZorgeY@noZorY.geZwaYrrenY.com> writes
[snip]

[snip]
[color=darkred]
> I move the returns and sizes to a non pop up page. That eliminates any pop
>up problems and gets rid of the close buttons.

[snip]

Works OK in IE and Opera.

But in Netscape and Mozilla:
http://www.gododdin.demon.co.uk/ng/CR03X.JPG (61k)

Try simply floating the 'returnstext' div to the left, and the sizetable
div to the right. That should give you what you want.

returns.
--
Jake

Brian

2004-08-04, 7:17 pm

vMike wrote:

> if the user has disable javascript then I want to set the display to
> none for one of the controls on my page and replace it with a non
> javascript version.

You're looking at this from the wrong end. *Start* with the no js
version, and pretend that js does not exist. That means forget the
<noscript> tag. You don't need it in a world with js. Then add js, and
use it so that it changes the page as you want. That way, when js is not
on, the page is already in the state you want.

> It seemed simple enought to use style (to hide the control) within a
> noscript tag (and if fact it works both in the body and in the head,
> but doesn't validate either way). I guess there must be a different
> approach.

Indeed. Use js to remove the element from the DOM, and add a new
element to the DOM that does what you want. Or, more easily, change the
behavior of an element from non-js to js.

In a ciwa* group, Jim Dabell once wrote that there is no good use for
the <noscript> element. I think he's right.

> This really isn't the group for this kind of question

You might get more detailed responses in a javascript group. There's
also lots of stuff on the web, but be careful. There seems to be more
bad advice than good about js on the www. Make sure you find the good.

--
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http://www.tsmchughs.com/

vMike

2004-08-04, 7:17 pm

"jake" <jake@gododdin.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:E453CEKaeQEBFwcV@gododdin.demon.co.uk...
> In message <ceqo0c$2ac$1@ngspool-d02.news.aol.com>, vMike
> <MichZaelY.GeZorgeY@noZorY.geZwaYrrenY.com> writes
> [snip]
>
> [snip]
>
pop[color=darkred]
>
> [snip]
>
> Works OK in IE and Opera.
>
> But in Netscape and Mozilla:
> http://www.gododdin.demon.co.uk/ng/CR03X.JPG (61k)
>
> Try simply floating the 'returnstext' div to the left, and the sizetable
> div to the right. That should give you what you want.
>
> returns.
> --
> Jake

I will try that. Odd but my Netscape (7.1) and Firefox(0.9.3) display
correctly. It is a bear trying to get all these browsers to work correctly.

vMike

2004-08-04, 7:17 pm

> But in Netscape and Mozilla:
> http://www.gododdin.demon.co.uk/ng/CR03X.JPG (61k)
>
> Try simply floating the 'returnstext' div to the left, and the sizetable
> div to the right. That should give you what you want.
>
> returns.
> --
> Jake

Changed it hopefully it works now.
Mike

jake

2004-08-04, 7:17 pm

In message <cer2k8$9ke$1@ngspool-d02.news.aol.com>, vMike
<MichZaelY.GeZorgeY@noZorY.geZwaYrrenY.com> writes
>
>Changed it hopefully it works now.
>Mike
>
>
Yes, that seems to be OK now.

Except for one thing. As you reduce the width of the browser window the
table correctly re-sites itself under the main text -- but you lose the
footer. Try it ;-)

You should be OK if you add 'clear:both' at the start of the CSS for the
footer div.

regards.

--
Jake

Brian

2004-08-04, 7:17 pm

Brian wrote:

> pretend that js does not exist. That means forget the <noscript> tag.
> You don't need it in a world with js.

That should read, "in a world with*out* js."

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http://www.tsmchughs.com/

Bryan Anderson

2004-08-04, 11:15 pm

On Tuesday, "vMike" wrote:

> www.cricketsshoes.com

Much nicer than the previous version - I didn't actually comment on
that one - but there's a few things that I noticed:

(a) The "shop window" looks a little odd to me...for some reason it
reminds me of a Monty Python animation....I keep expecting the hat
to lift up and expose a head or something!

(b) The address reads:
966 Beachland Boulevard
privacy
Vero Beach, Florida 32963

...which may seem odd for text-to-speech or text-only viewers.

(c) Just for search engine rankings I'd change th <title> from:

"Crickets - women's designer shoes and handbags by Emma Hope, Miss
Trish of Capri and more!"

to

"Designer Shoes and Designer Handbags at Crickets of Florida"

or something close....Google puts a lot of emphasis on the <title>
and getting your keywords in there at the start would help.

(d) It's not immediately obvious that I need to click on the hat
or the shoes in the "window" to view the items. I'd consider some
more links to these sections of the site, and also making all the
keywords in the strap line: "Featuring women's shoes, handbags,
belts and hats from top designers." into links...again, Google will
like <a href="designer-shoes.html">designer shoe's</a> a lot more
than an image link.

(e) I run a 1280x854 screen and when I maximise the browser, every-
things is a little skewey....the light be banner at the top has
text to the far left and far right....but the menu underneath is all
to the left....might be better centred. Then you have the main shop-
window - all to the left, then the designers at the bottom is spread
right over the screen. Finally, the footer is all to the left.

You need to centre the shop window and the footer and it'll look a
lot nicer.

(f) Like the use of the designers names in <a href...> tags. That
will go down well with Google. Shame it couldn't be backed up with
real html file names like lily-holt-designer-shoes.html.

(g) Not too keen on the bright red on light blue on some of the
pages....looks a bit gaudy to me, but that's just personal taste.

Finally....I'm a bloke and even *I* would love a pair of Emma Hope's
Leopard shoes!

--
Bryan Anderson <www.anderson-it.com>

Deirdre Saoirse Moen

2004-08-04, 11:15 pm

vMike <MicZhaYel.GeoZrgeY@noyandz.gezwayrrenz.com> wrote:
> I have made some changes to www.cricketsshoes.com. (third round)
> Hopefully you will think that I have made some progress. I have also
> changed the layout to a mostly tableless layout. (Kind of a bear to
> get it to look right in different browsers.) Seems to be ok unless the
> text size is increase to the largest setting. Also, if anyone can tell
> me how to put a style tag inside of a noscript tag without getting a
> validation error it would be greatly appreciated).

Actually, I *do* know the answer to that. And, imho, your point is
valid.

That said, it's not something I'd recommend for everyone. :)

Look at http://www.ibm.com/us/, specifically its DOCTYPE declaration and
the URI it points to.

You may not want to go that route, but there's your answer.

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vMike

2004-08-05, 12:16 pm

"Bryan Anderson" <usenet@anderson-it.com> wrote in message
news:b9q2h0dssbnaugru6svtr1q7on4mmkqn8j@4ax.com...
> On Tuesday, "vMike" wrote:
>
>
> Much nicer than the previous version - I didn't actually comment on
> that one - but there's a few things that I noticed:
>

Thank you for your comments. I appreciate all of the help the group has
given me.

> (a) The "shop window" looks a little odd to me...for some reason it
> reminds me of a Monty Python animation....I keep expecting the hat
> to lift up and expose a head or something!
>
I am still working this graphic. I may relocate the hat or make it smaller.

> (b) The address reads:
> 966 Beachland Boulevard
> privacy
> Vero Beach, Florida 32963
>
> ...which may seem odd for text-to-speech or text-only viewers.
good point

>
> (c) Just for search engine rankings I'd change th <title> from:
>
> "Crickets - women's designer shoes and handbags by Emma Hope, Miss
> Trish of Capri and more!"
>
> to
>
> "Designer Shoes and Designer Handbags at Crickets of Florida"
>
> or something close....Google puts a lot of emphasis on the <title>
> and getting your keywords in there at the start would help.
>
I see, I will do that.

> (d) It's not immediately obvious that I need to click on the hat
> or the shoes in the "window" to view the items. I'd consider some
> more links to these sections of the site, and also making all the
> keywords in the strap line: "Featuring women's shoes, handbags,
> belts and hats from top designers." into links...again, Google will
> like <a href="designer-shoes.html">designer shoe's</a> a lot more
> than an image link.

I like that idea.
>
> (e) I run a 1280x854 screen and when I maximise the browser, every-
> things is a little skewey....the light be banner at the top has
> text to the far left and far right....but the menu underneath is all
> to the left....might be better centred. Then you have the main shop-
> window - all to the left, then the designers at the bottom is spread
> right over the screen. Finally, the footer is all to the left.
>
I wish there was a float center in css. I have had some trouble getting the
graphics positions right in different resolutions. I have not looked at 1280
but I will take a look.

> You need to centre the shop window and the footer and it'll look a
> lot nicer.
>
> (f) Like the use of the designers names in <a href...> tags. That
> will go down well with Google. Shame it couldn't be backed up with
> real html file names like lily-holt-designer-shoes.html.

I can easily do that with .net. All of my pages do not really exist on the
server, they are rendered at runtime. I can name them anything I want and
have the server generate the proper page. It will take a bit of time to code
but I like that idea. I did that on the main page, but called them qview...
I can simply change those the the designer names. Also, I was wondering. I
had the little dots on the online store page pointing to pages but I changed
it because I read the google doesn't like that. Is that true.

>
> (g) Not too keen on the bright red on light blue on some of the
> pages....looks a bit gaudy to me, but that's just personal taste.
>

I can experiment with other colors

> Finally....I'm a bloke and even *I* would love a pair of Emma Hope's
> Leopard shoes!
>
Women in the state really love Emma Hope.

Thanks again for your comments.
Mike

> --
> Bryan Anderson <www.anderson-it.com>

Frogleg

2004-08-05, 12:16 pm

On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 22:49:11 -0400, "vMike"
<MicZhaYel.GeoZrgeY@noYandZ.geZwaYrrenZ.com> wrote:

>I have made some changes to www.cricketsshoes.com. (third round) Hopefully
>you will think that I have made some progress. I have also changed the
>layout to a mostly tableless layout. (Kind of a bear to get it to look right
>in different browsers.) Seems to be ok unless the text size is increase to
>the largest setting. Also, if anyone can tell me how to put a style tag
>inside of a noscript tag without getting a validation error it would be
>greatly appreciated) As always, I am looking for honest opinions. Thanks in
>advance to any alties who take the time to take another look.

Much better.

I would put curtains around the window in the inset photo. -- that
would extend the pseudo-shop display more naturally.

The bare products to the right look...bare. You might try something
like 'cricket shoe' I just posted to alt.binaries.comp-graphics.

If you play with link attributes, you can make your menu more
interesting and obvious.

Agree with others about 'hours' representation, and the interrupted
address at the bottom.

I think 'webmaster' is usually a single word. :-)

Bryan Anderson

2004-08-05, 7:17 pm

On Thursday, "vMike" wrote:

> I wish there was a float center in css.

..center
{
margin-right: auto;
margin-left: auto;
}

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vMike

2004-08-05, 7:17 pm

"Bryan Anderson" <usenet@anderson-it.com> wrote in message
news:gln4h0pf073nmahq88ia1a3k4pdlj9eirh@4ax.com...
> On Thursday, "vMike" wrote:
>
>
> .center
> {
> margin-right: auto;
> margin-left: auto;
> }
>
>
> --
> Bryan Anderson <www.anderson-it.com>

Thanks, I will have to try that.
Mike

Neal

2004-08-05, 7:17 pm

On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 17:24:10 +0100, Bryan Anderson
<usenet@anderson-it.com> wrote:

> On Thursday, "vMike" wrote:
>

Float means the following content starts at the same height and respects
the area taken by the float. What would this mean with ceter? Would the
content flow either side?
[color=darkred]
> .center
> {
> margin-right: auto;
> margin-left: auto;
> }

This will center, but it's not float behavior.

Bryan Anderson

2004-08-05, 11:15 pm

On Thursday, Neal wrote:

> Float means the following content starts at the same height
> and respects the area taken by the float. What would this
> mean with ceter? Would the content flow either side?
>
>
>This will center, but it's not float behavior.

I think this is what he's after - it's for the central "shop window"
part of the site and there's no content as such to float around it,
but he did want it in the centre of the screen.

--
Bryan Anderson <www.anderson-it.com>

Terry Kimpling

2004-08-06, 4:15 am

Bryan Anderson wrote:
> On Thursday, "vMike" wrote:
>
>
> .center
> {
> margin-right: auto;
> margin-left: auto;
> }
or
margin: auto;

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jake

2004-08-10, 11:19 pm

vMike

2004-08-10, 11:19 pm

Brian

2004-08-10, 11:19 pm

Deirdre Saoirse Moen

2004-08-11, 4:18 am