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tonyritter

2004-10-02, 12:23 pm

Greetings,
Would a few please check to see if the links in the left frame work on the
following sites.
Thank you.

www.worksbyhand.com

www.gonefishingguideservice.com

If possible, list the OS and computer you are on.
Thank you for your help.

TR


Nico Schuyt

2004-10-02, 12:23 pm

tonyritter wrote:
> Would a few please check to see if the links in the left frame work
> on the following sites.
> www.worksbyhand.com
> www.gonefishingguideservice.com
> If possible, list the OS and computer you are on.
> Thank you for your help.


What do you mean with "work". I looked at the www.worksbyhand.com and see no
reason why the target pages will not open in any normal browser.
Or do you mean the Javascript-effects?

--
Nico
www.nicoschuyt.nl


jake

2004-10-02, 12:23 pm

In message <415c3381@news.greennet.net>, tonyritter
<tony@gonefishing_REMOVETHIS_guideservice.com> writes
>Greetings,
>Would a few please check to see if the links in the left frame work on the
>following sites.
>Thank you.
>
>www.worksbyhand.com
>
>www.gonefishingguideservice.com
>
>If possible, list the OS and computer you are on.
>Thank you for your help.
>
>TR
>
>

I'd like to, but:

"This page uses frames, but your browser doesn't support them."

regards,

--
Jake
mbstevens

2004-10-02, 12:23 pm

jake wrote:

> In message <415c3381@news.greennet.net>, tonyritter
> <tony@gonefishing_REMOVETHIS_guideservice.com> writes
[color=darkred]
> I'd like to, but:
>
> "This page uses frames, but your browser doesn't support them."


Funny, I get the same thing when I browse in.
Maybe a look at:
http://www.highrankings.com/framedsite.htm
or even better:
http://www.html-faq.com/htmlframes/?framesareevil
and
> http://www.useit.com/alertbox/9612.html


There is a lot more to worry about here than every
link being good -- there are programs to do that,
anyway. Go to w3.org and use their link checking tool.

mbstevens

2004-10-02, 12:23 pm

mbstevens wrote:

> jake wrote:
>
>
>
> Funny, I get the same thing when I browse in.
> Maybe a look at:
> http://www.highrankings.com/framedsite.htm
> or even better:
> http://www.html-faq.com/htmlframes/?framesareevil
> and
>
> There is a lot more to worry about here than every
> link being good -- there are programs to do that,
> anyway. Go to w3.org and use their link checking tool.
>

....a-and, here's what your navigation frame looks like
to me:
[home0202.gif] [cp0201a.gif]
[YourWish0201.gif] [df0201a.gif]
[WhoWeAre0201.gif] [pbe0201.gif]
[aa0201.gif] [sas0201a.gif]
[OInfo0201.gif] [vf0201.gif]
[ja0201.gif] [oa0201.gif]
[pgj0201.gif] [howto.gif]
[kt0201a.gif] [Links0201.gif]
[lt0201.gif] [email0201.gif]

Would *you* follow links like that?


--
mbstevens
http://www.mbstevens.com
tonyritter

2004-10-02, 12:23 pm


mbstevensx wrote in message:

> Would *you* follow links like that?
> mbstevens

.............

Please indicate the OS and browser you are using.
Thank you.
................

> http://www.mbstevens.com


Purple and green?


Beauregard T. Shagnasty

2004-10-02, 12:23 pm

Quoth the raven tonyritter:

> Greetings, Would a few please check to see if the links in the left
> frame work on the following sites. Thank you.


Odd. I don't see any frames... <scratch head>

> www.worksbyhand.com


http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=h...ksbyhand.com%2F

> www.gonefishingguideservice.com


http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=h...eservice.com%2F

> If possible, list the OS and computer you are on.


Doesn't matter. Fix all those errors and come ask again.

Oh, ok. Win2K with a PIII. You didn't ask, but my browser is Moz 1.7.3

> Thank you for your help.


My pleasure.

--
-bts
-This space intentionally left blank.
jake

2004-10-02, 12:23 pm

In message <9FU6d.13800$gG4.8968@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
mbstevens <NOXwebmasterx@xmbstevensx.com> writes
>mbstevens wrote:
>
>...a-and, here's what your navigation frame looks like
>to me:
> [home0202.gif] [cp0201a.gif]
> [YourWish0201.gif] [df0201a.gif]
> [WhoWeAre0201.gif] [pbe0201.gif]
> [aa0201.gif] [sas0201a.gif]
> [OInfo0201.gif] [vf0201.gif]
> [ja0201.gif] [oa0201.gif]
> [pgj0201.gif] [howto.gif]
> [kt0201a.gif] [Links0201.gif]
> [lt0201.gif] [email0201.gif]
>
>Would *you* follow links like that?
>
>

Hmmmmm .... that's not as bad as having to *listen* to:

[www.worksbyhand.com/DF.htm.]
[www.worksbyhand.com/introduction.htm.]
[www.worksbyhand.com/PBE.htm.]
[www.worksbyhand.com/Articles.htm.]
[www.worksbyhand.com/SAS.htm.]
[www.worksbyhand.com/OrderingInfo.htm.]
[www.worksbyhand.com/VF.htm.]
[www.worksbyhand.com/JA.htm.]
[www.worksbyhand.com/OA.htm.]
[www.worksbyhand.com/PGJ.htm.]
[www.worksbyhand.com/Howtofind.htm.]
[www.worksbyhand.com/KT.htm.]
[www.worksbyhand.com/links.htm.]
[www.worksbyhand.com/LT.htm.]
[linda@worksbyhand.com.]
View my current auctionsat:
[worksbyhand/.]

...........on what, it tells me, is 'New Page 8'.

regards.

PS. Err, Tony ...... what we're trying to tell you is that you need
'alternative text' on *all* your images .... and that you need to name
your frames properly ..... and that you should provide a non-frames
alternative.

Still, others will tell you that you shouldn't use frames at all -- but
I wouldn't go that far ;-)


--
Jake
Neal

2004-10-02, 12:23 pm

On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:31:01 -0400, tonyritter
<tony@gonefishing_REMOVETHIS_guideservice.com> wrote:

> Greetings,
> Would a few please check to see if the links in the left frame work on
> the
> following sites.
> Thank you.
>
> www.worksbyhand.com
>
> www.gonefishingguideservice.com
>
> If possible, list the OS and computer you are on.
> Thank you for your help.


w98, Opera 7.23 and IE6, neither show a real left column. There is a link
at the lower left, however it is partially under the centered section.

By the way, the code is atrocious.

http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=h...eservice.com%2F

http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=h...ksbyhand.com%2F
Neal

2004-10-02, 12:23 pm

On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:17:27 +0100, jake <jake@gododdin.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> PS. Err, Tony ...... what we're trying to tell you is that you need
> 'alternative text' on *all* your images .... and that you need to name
> your frames properly ..... and that you should provide a non-frames
> alternative.
>
> Still, others will tell you that you shouldn't use frames at all -- but
> I wouldn't go that far ;-)


I'm not even getting a frameset document here. Are you??

mbstevens

2004-10-02, 12:23 pm

tonyritter wrote:

>
> mbstevensx wrote in message:
>
> ............
>
> Please indicate the OS and browser you are using.
> Thank you.
> ...............

The OS makes no difference at all.
Any text browser like
lynx and links will give you a similar
output. Others visitors surf with images
turned off in a normal browser, and will
be completely at lost.

Nothing to the fix: Set alt attributes.


> Purple and green?

#113 and #033, actually.
English words for colors are always so ----- approximate.

jake

2004-10-02, 12:23 pm

In message <opse5b03og6v6656@news.individual.net>, Neal
<neal413@yahoo.com> writes
>On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:17:27 +0100, jake <jake@gododdin.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>I'm not even getting a frameset document here. Are you??
>

Click on the 'Enter our Site' link.

regards.
--
Jake
Beauregard T. Shagnasty

2004-10-02, 12:23 pm

Quoth the raven jake:

> In message <opse5b03og6v6656@news.individual.net>, Neal
> <neal413@yahoo.com> writes
> Click on the 'Enter our Site' link.


Aha. A menu-looking thing to the left. Clicks do nothing.

<td width="100"><a href="CP.htm" onMouseOver="window.status='Linda
Slocum Antiques: Characters and Personalities';return true"
onMouseout="window.status='';return true" ></a>

[spacing added to illustrate]

<img border="0" src="cp0201a.gif" align="left" width="82"
height="22"></a></td>

Heh. The link has no width. The image is outside the </a> so nothing
works. Yes, JavaScript was on, though js should never be required for
navigation.

Then, I entered http://www.worksbyhand.com/CP.htm into the address
bar. Whoops! It takes me right back to "hellob.htm" ! (unless js is
off of course; then I see the unframed page with no navigation.

Let's say I want to tell my wife to browse to this "Characters and
Personalities" page. I cannot give her the URL. Frames: bad.

Time to go back to the drawing board, I'm afraid.

--
-bts
-This space intentionally left blank.
Neal

2004-10-02, 12:23 pm

On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:59:04 +0100, jake <jake@gododdin.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> Click on the 'Enter our Site' link.


Thanks, jake - or should I be thanking you?

This is about the worst implementation of frames I've ever seen. Google
will never index this site. Noframes should be used to offer replacement
content and navigation for noframes users. And script links are asinine.

The OP has succeeded at making what could have been done so simply into a
totally confused mess of usability ignorance.
Neal

2004-10-02, 12:23 pm

On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 10:41:39 -0400, tonyritter
<tony@gonefishing_REMOVETHIS_guideservice.com> wrote:

> Please indicate the OS and browser you are using


OS is irrelevant. Frankly, browser is too. It's just poor markup for any
UA.
tonyritter

2004-10-03, 4:15 am


mbstevensx wrote in message:

> Would *you* follow links like that?
> mbstevens

.............

Please indicate the OS and browser you are using.
Thank you.
................

> http://www.mbstevens.com


Purple and green?


Beauregard T. Shagnasty

2004-10-03, 4:15 am

Quoth the raven tonyritter:

> Greetings, Would a few please check to see if the links in the left
> frame work on the following sites. Thank you.


Odd. I don't see any frames... <scratch head>

> www.worksbyhand.com


http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=h...ksbyhand.com%2F

> www.gonefishingguideservice.com


http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=h...eservice.com%2F

> If possible, list the OS and computer you are on.


Doesn't matter. Fix all those errors and come ask again.

Oh, ok. Win2K with a PIII. You didn't ask, but my browser is Moz 1.7.3

> Thank you for your help.


My pleasure.

--
-bts
-This space intentionally left blank.
Neal

2004-10-03, 4:15 am

On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:31:01 -0400, tonyritter
<tony@gonefishing_REMOVETHIS_guideservice.com> wrote:

> Greetings,
> Would a few please check to see if the links in the left frame work on
> the
> following sites.
> Thank you.
>
> www.worksbyhand.com
>
> www.gonefishingguideservice.com
>
> If possible, list the OS and computer you are on.
> Thank you for your help.


w98, Opera 7.23 and IE6, neither show a real left column. There is a link
at the lower left, however it is partially under the centered section.

By the way, the code is atrocious.

http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=h...eservice.com%2F

http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=h...ksbyhand.com%2F
Neal

2004-10-03, 4:15 am

On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:17:27 +0100, jake <jake@gododdin.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> PS. Err, Tony ...... what we're trying to tell you is that you need
> 'alternative text' on *all* your images .... and that you need to name
> your frames properly ..... and that you should provide a non-frames
> alternative.
>
> Still, others will tell you that you shouldn't use frames at all -- but
> I wouldn't go that far ;-)


I'm not even getting a frameset document here. Are you??

jake

2004-10-03, 4:15 am

In message <opse5b03og6v6656@news.individual.net>, Neal
<neal413@yahoo.com> writes
>On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:17:27 +0100, jake <jake@gododdin.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>I'm not even getting a frameset document here. Are you??
>

Click on the 'Enter our Site' link.

regards.
--
Jake
Neal

2004-10-03, 4:15 am

On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 10:41:39 -0400, tonyritter
<tony@gonefishing_REMOVETHIS_guideservice.com> wrote:

> Please indicate the OS and browser you are using


OS is irrelevant. Frankly, browser is too. It's just poor markup for any
UA.
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