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Site reshape, need helpful hints please
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| DigitAlex 2004-01-10, 8:18 pm |
| Heya all
I'm trying to reshape my website a bit and worked out some new designs.
I'm basicly a developer so I don't have wonderful imagination and otehr stuff that good graphists usually do have...
I've made a logo and a general layout and a basic color scheme.
It would be nice to have your advise on all of these parts, what should be changed / added / removed etc
I have also made some flat and some beveled layouts and I'd like you to choose which one looks better
Here are 4 JPEGS of the new layout ...
http://www.istrasoft.net/1.jpg
http://www.istrasoft.net/2.jpg
http://www.istrasoft.net/3.jpg
http://www.istrasoft.net/4.jpg
Thanx a lot to you all | |
| William Tasso 2004-01-10, 9:29 pm |
| DigitAlex wrote:quote:
> ...
> I'm trying to reshape my website a bit and worked out some new
> designs.
ok, but the 'design' means nothing without content.
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> I'm basicly a developer so I don't have wonderful imagination and
> otehr stuff that good graphists usually do have...
good start - you'll fit it just fine round here.
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> I've made a logo and a general layout and a basic color scheme.
>
> It would be nice to have your advise on all of these parts, what
> should be changed / added / removed etc
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> I have also made some flat and some beveled layouts and I'd like you
> to choose which one looks better
> ...
Get the content/navigation sorted and the 'best' design will choose itself.
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William Tasso - http://WilliamTasso.com
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"DigitAlex" <Guest.zufso@mail.forum4designers.com> wrote in message
news:Guest.zufso@mail.forum4designers.com...quote:
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> Heya all
>
> I'm trying to reshape my website a bit and worked out some new
> designs.
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> Here are 4 JPEGS of the new layout ...
A picture of your site is pretty useless, except from an artistic point of
view (*). What is it's URL?
(*) from an artistic point of view those images look rather impressive.
However I would really like to see the real page operates. With all due
respect I'll bet it falls apart if I change my font size :-)
Cheers
Richard.
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| DigitAlex 2004-01-11, 4:22 am |
| No, it won't fall apart ...
There are several design approaches, one of them is creating a picture of your website (smallest possible size : ie for 800x600) and then converting it to a web page.
It has already be done, but I want to choose between different kind of things before converting it to a web page each time again and again ;) | |
| Andrew Cameron 2004-01-11, 6:28 am |
| DigitAlex wrote:quote:
> It has already be done, but I want to choose between different kind of
> things before converting it to a web page each time again and again ;)
This sentence kind of implies that you haven't heard of design with CSS. If
you're designing with tables, then you'll have to build again and again, but
if you do it the proper way then you'll just have to modify the things you
change. See < http://www.csszengarden.com >.
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Andrew Cameron
"Got my hand on my heart, I know no better location..."
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"DigitAlex" <Guest.zuo4m@mail.forum4designers.com> wrote in message
news:Guest.zuo4m@mail.forum4designers.com...quote:
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> I've tried adding a background and some blinds, what do you think ? Is
> it better ?
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> http://www.istrasoft.net/5.jpg
Please stop posting quarter megabyte pictures of your site and supply the
bloody URL.
Cheers
Richard.
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| DigitAlex 2004-01-11, 8:19 am |
| I know of CSS ...
The day you will be able to change graphics colors, shapes etc with CSS, send me an email !!!! | |
| picayunish 2004-01-11, 9:28 am |
| DigitAlex wrote:
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> I know of CSS ...
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> The day you will be able to change graphics colors, shapes etc with
> CSS, send me an email !!!!
To who are you replying to?
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| DigitAlex 2004-01-11, 11:55 am |
| The post above, maybe try to scroll up a little bit ...
It looks like no one is willing to give some HELPFUL advise !
Do you ever stop complaining ? If you have downloaded that huge (250k) picture, why can't you comment it by the way ...
I would really LOVE someone to post something else than "use CSS", "post that bloody URL", etc | |
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| DigitAlex 2004-01-11, 1:27 pm |
| Ye I see, url(something.png) .... indeed | |
| William Tasso 2004-01-11, 1:29 pm |
| DigitAlex wrote:quote:
> The post above, maybe try to scroll up a little bit ...
what? Please try to understand that 'up' in your view may be 'below' in
others. In fact, due to the weird and wonderful infrastructure that
constitutes usenet the 'post above' may not even be present.
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> It looks like no one is willing to give some HELPFUL advise !
It's real tricky without something to go on. have you considered a lurk
over at news:alt.design.graphics
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> Do you ever stop complaining ? If you have downloaded that huge (250k)
> picture, why can't you comment it by the way ...
Can't speak for the others, but personally I wouldn't know a pixel from a
parody.
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> I would really LOVE someone to post something else than "use CSS",
> "post that bloody URL", etc
Do you know where you are posting? This is news:alt.html.critique where the
discussion (usually) revolves around page building techniques. From the
URLs in your sig I would guess you are posting via the forum pages at
forum4designers.com
May be worth your time to fire up a news client and pop in the front door.
Toodle-pip
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William Tasso - http://WilliamTasso.com
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| kchayka 2004-01-11, 3:29 pm |
| DigitAlex wrote:
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> No, it won't fall apart ...
Without seeing more than a screenshot of a possible layout, I can tell
it will probably not adequately adjust to changes in text and/or window
size, so the layout will likely look "broken" in many browsing
environments. Please feel free to prove me wrong, though. ;)
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> There are several design approaches, one of them is creating a picture
> of your website (smallest possible size : ie for 800x600) and then
> converting it to a web page.
This kind of slice-and-splice page construction method is a horrible way
to make a web site. Please don't do it.
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> It has already be done,
Don't I know it. The web is riddled with this crap. The worst one I
ever saw was ~2GB of sliced up images for 3 pages(!), and not one bit of
alt text on the whole site. For some reason, the deezyners didn't think
there was anything wrong with this because the client liked how it looked.
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> but I want to choose between different kind of
> things before converting it to a web page each time again and again ;)
I don't think the differences shown on the screen shots you posted are
noticable enough for anyone except you to care. Whichever one you pick
will no doubt have the same design problems as the others. Here is
something for you to ponder:
<URL:http://www.allmyfaqs.com/faq.pl?AnySizeDesign>
quote:
> Posted via http://www.forum4designers.com
We seem to be getting a lot of these lately. I'm curious - don't the
folks posting through here know they are posting to usenet? Do they
even know what usenet is?
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| kchayka 2004-01-11, 4:29 pm |
| kchayka wrote:
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> DigitAlex wrote:
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> We seem to be getting a lot of these lately. I'm curious - don't the
> folks posting through here know they are posting to usenet? Do they
> even know what usenet is?
I just took a look at this forum4whatever place. I was mildly amused to
see that I was the latest poster in this particular thread. And I
didn't even have to register! :-)
By all appearances, it is a private forum. These folks apparently have
no idea they are actually posting to usenet newsgroup alt.html.critique
(unmoderated) rather than a private message board at the above url.
I imagine all the other subject areas are posting to usenet, too. Good
thing registration is free, or it would be an even bigger rip off.
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| DigitAlex 2004-01-11, 6:02 pm |
| Yes i do know what usenet is and NO, it's stated nowhere on the forums website that we are actually posting to usenet, so sorry. If i knew it was in the html group, i wouldn't have posted jpegs ...
mea culpa
as about the slicing technique, it's as good as others as long as the real website is then coded as it has to be ..
I asked for some advise for design, not code / html / css, i'm a developer, not a graphist... sorry again | |
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| kchayka wrote:quote:
> kchayka wrote:
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> I just took a look at this forum4whatever place. I was mildly amused to
> see that I was the latest poster in this particular thread.
I just discovered it yesterday, completely by chance, when I happened
to Google to see how a new project is ranking. Instead, I found my
name pop up in this forum. Curious, I followed the link, and realized
that they were just archiving usenet posts and passing them off as
their own content. Not just them, either. There's at least 2 sites
doing this. (Search for your usenet name or email on Goolge and see
what comes up!).
quote:
> I imagine all the other subject areas are posting to usenet, too. Good
> thing registration is free, or it would be an even bigger rip off.
I didn't bother registering. What would be the point?
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Brian
follow the directions in my address to email me
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"DigitAlex" <Guest.zv20m@mail.forum4designers.com> wrote in message
news:Guest.zv20m@mail.forum4designers.com...quote:
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> No, it won't fall apart ...
I eagerly await your web page then :-)
quote:
> There are several design approaches, one of them is creating a picture
> of your website (smallest possible size : ie for 800x600) and then
> converting it to a web page.
That is graphic design, not web design.
Cheers
Richard.
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| William Tasso 2004-01-11, 8:30 pm |
| DigitAlex wrote:quote:
> Yes i do know what usenet is and NO, it's stated nowhere on the forums
> website that we are actually posting to usenet, so sorry. If i knew it
> was in the html group, i wouldn't have posted jpegs ...
>
> mea culpa
> ...
no sweat - it did cause just a little confusion there for a while. as I
said elsewhere, pop it the front door when your pages are ready.
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William Tasso - http://WilliamTasso.com
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"kchayka" <kcha-un-yka@sihope.com> wrote in message
news:4001a505$0$43849$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net...quote:
> DigitAlex wrote:
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quote:
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> We seem to be getting a lot of these lately. I'm curious - don't the
> folks posting through here know they are posting to usenet? Do they
> even know what usenet is?
Go and have a look at the above URL. It looks like a privately run forum.
You will find alt.html.critique way down the bottom, in the "Community
Forum" box, labeled as "Site Ratings & Reviews". Nowhere, anywhere, does it
mention that the material inside that "forum" is actually stolen from
alt.html.critique, or that there actually *is* an alt.html.critique.
No wonder the people from there no nothing about usenet.
Hmmm. What is more bloody bizarre is that google give this site a 5/10
rating. 5 out of ten for repackaging content that is, more or less, in the
public domain :-)
Cheers
Richard.
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| Eric Bohlman 2004-01-11, 11:29 pm |
| kchayka <kcha-un-yka@sihope.com> wrote in
news:4001a505$0$43849$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net:
quote:
> DigitAlex wrote:
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> This kind of slice-and-splice page construction method is a horrible
> way to make a web site. Please don't do it.
Christopher Schmitt argues that this method is analogous to the manufacture
of a Hostess Twinkie; create the shell and then inject the filling into it.
He also argues that it leads at best to a cookie-cutter look and at worst
to a design that's completely mismatched with the content (his analogy was
along the lines that a Twinkie shell simply isn't appropriate for a sun-
dried-tomato-and-pesto filling).
With CSS and structural markup, it becomes possible to create the filling
first and then build the shell to suit it.
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"Brian" <usenet2@julietremblay.com.invalid-remove-this-part> wrote in
message news:rkjMb.25268$Rc4.97222@attbi_s54...quote:
> kchayka wrote:
quote:
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> I just discovered it yesterday, completely by chance, when I happened
> to Google to see how a new project is ranking. Instead, I found my
> name pop up in this forum. Curious, I followed the link, and realized
> that they were just archiving usenet posts and passing them off as
> their own content. Not just them, either. There's at least 2 sites
> doing this. (Search for your usenet name or email on Goolge and see
> what comes up!).
Scary... 144 hits :-)
I think if I see any more posts from these places I'll politely inform the
poster what is going on and tell them to get a real newsreader rather than
use some scam website that is probably making money by stealing usenet.
Cheers
Richard.
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"DigitAlex" <Guest.zw4wn@mail.forum4designers.com> wrote in message
news:Guest.zw4wn@mail.forum4designers.com...quote:
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> Yes i do know what usenet is and NO, it's stated nowhere on the forums
> website that we are actually posting to usenet, so sorry. If i knew it
> was in the html group, i wouldn't have posted jpegs ...
I suggest you do not use that website any more. It is merely stealing its
content directly from usenet. All of it. There is nothing original on that
site at all. Even the 'forum' entitled "frontpage programming" (picking the
first web design one) is actually microsoft.public.frontpage.programming. I
wonder what Bill thinks about that? :-)
Cheers
Richard.
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| William Tasso 2004-01-12, 4:28 am |
| rf wrote:quote:
> "kchayka" <kcha-un-yka@sihope.com> wrote in message
> news:4001a505$0$43849$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net...
doubt it
[QUOTE][color=darkred]
> Go and have a look at the above URL. It looks like a privately run
> forum. You will find alt.html.critique way down the bottom, in the
> "Community Forum" box, labeled as "Site Ratings & Reviews". Nowhere,
> anywhere, does it mention that the material inside that "forum" is
> actually stolen from alt.html.critique, or that there actually *is*
> an alt.html.critique.
tricky - there are plenty sites that provide an interface to usenet.
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> No wonder the people from there no nothing about usenet.
>
> Hmmm. What is more bloody bizarre is that google give this site a 5/10
> rating. 5 out of ten for repackaging content that is, more or less,
> in the public domain :-)
The google ranking is derived entirely from the pages linking to that page.
The forum only has a PR of 4. The thread has a PR of 0. Maybe the thread
will get a decent PR after the site is next crawled. There may be some
benefit after all ;o)
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William Tasso - http://WilliamTasso.com
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| Mark Parnell 2004-01-12, 6:32 pm |
| On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 14:20:21 -0600, kchayka declared in
alt.html.critique:quote:
> I imagine all the other subject areas are posting to usenet, too.
The majority of them, for sure. A quick Google Groups search for the
above phrase turned up 314 results - on the first 5 pages I counted at
least 15 groups that had been posted to. There may be more.
There are 26 forums listed there. I found the first 15 on Usenet without
any trouble. I'd be inclined to agree with you that the remaining 11 are
probably usenet groups as well.
quote:
> Good thing registration is free, or it would be an even bigger rip off.
Indeed.
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Mark Parnell
http://www.clarkecomputers.com.au
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